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All right, which one of you venomous Islamophobes said that Allah loves people to die and kill in his path? Don't you people realize that that is just the kind of talk that creates a climate of hate, and leads to backlash against patriotic, innocent Muslims?
What's that? It wasn't an Islamophobe who said it, but a Muslim? A chappie named Umar Islam? Why, then, he must be a Misunderstander of Islam, twisting the peaceful teachings of his tolerant, broad-minded faith into a noxious amalgam of Nazism and Christian Fundamentalism!
What's that? Allah guarantees Paradise in the Qur'an (9:111) to those who "kill and are killed" for him, and Umar Islam's statement seems to be fairly closely patterned on that and other statements from the Qur'an and Hadith exhorting Muslims to wage war against unbelievers?
Well, you have to understand, you see, that a religious text is one thing but how believers regard it is another. There is no indication that any Muslim today takes Qur'an 9:111 as some sort of justification to...kill and be killed. What's that? It seems as if Umar Islam sees it in just that way? Well, all right, possibly, but he is just one of a Tiny Minority of Extremists. The Vast Majority of Peaceful Muslims regard 9:111 as, at best, a relic of the past, not applicable to our own day, or else as a poorly translated and even more poorly understood exhortation to hug and be hugged.
What's that? What is the Vast Majority doing to convince Muslims like Umar Islam that they're Misunderstanding Islam, and to instruct them in its true, peaceful teachings?
What kind of a question is that? What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?
"Airline plot suspect vowed jihad in video," from CNN (thanks to The Angel Whisperer Downunder):
LONDON, England (AP) -- Jurors saw video Thursday of a man accused of plotting to blow up trans-Atlantic aircraft praising Osama bin Laden and vowing to wage a holy war against nonbelievers.Umar Islam, 29, made the comments in a video found in the trunk of a car belonging to another suspect. Prosecutors say it was a suicide video intended to be viewed after his death.
Islam and seven others are charged with plotting to detonate bombs aboard airliners bound from London to the United States and Canada using explosives concealed in soft drink bottles. Prosecutors say they were close to carrying out their plan when they were arrested in August 2006. The men deny the charges.
Islam's 19-minute video was shown to the jury at Woolwich Crown Court for the first time Thursday. Clips of it and other alleged "martyrdom" videos made by several other suspects were played in court last week.
In his video, Islam -- formerly known as Brian Young -- says there is "an obligation on me as a Muslim to wage jihad against the Kuffar," or nonbeliever.
"This is revenge for the actions of the USA in the Muslim lands and their accomplices such as the British and the Jews," he says.
Speaking in front of a black flag covered in Arabic writing, Islam says Allah "loves us to die and kill in his path."
"To (Taliban leader) Mullah Omar and Sheikh Osama and the brothers, keep on going, keep on remaining firm, but truly you have inspired many of the Muslims and you have inspired me personally to follow the true path of the prophet," he says.
Islam; Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 27; Assad Sarwar, 27; Tanvir Hussain, 27; Mohammed Gulzar, 26; Ibrahim Savant, 27; Arafat Waheed Khan, 26; and Waheed Zaman, 23, are accused of conspiracy to murder and endangering the safety of an aircraft. Both charges carry maximum sentences of life imprisonment....
Posted by Robert at April 10, 2008 8:49 PM
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OT, but related.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080410/tuk-july-7-bomber-s-goodbye-to-daughter-45dbed5.html
This man loved the idea of "paradise" more than his child or wife.
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at April 10, 2008 9:46 PM
The "true path of the prophet" is what concerns those of us who've learned what islam really is about.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 10, 2008 10:01 PM
Terrorism should warrent the death penalty as an act of war.
All of the money the Brits are going to waste on maintaining all of these life imprisonment sentences is going to bankrupt the U.K.
If they incarcerate every jihadi in the years to come, it'll cost them untold billions.
Death penalties are cheaper, safer, and more conducive to national survival.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 10, 2008 10:03 PM
This article comes with an extra thick layer of sarcasm today.
I know what would be good therapy, take a picture of bin Laden or Zawahiri or Adam Gaddan into the woods, nail that picture to a stump, and use up a box of .223 at it.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 10, 2008 10:07 PM
Martyrdom video
Posted by: Borg at April 10, 2008 10:08 PM
One more OT.
"Palestinians" plot to poison innocent people in a restaurant.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3530201,00.html
at April 10, 2008 10:10 PM
This is a religion where you are trapped. The violence is just overwhelming. A constant barrage of violence, hate, control, abuse. It is just take and take and take. I feel nauseatingly sick form it.
Posted by: savsiv at April 10, 2008 10:13 PM
Well, the slow martyrdom of life imprisonment has to count for something with Allah, (maybe meriting some slightly used or off brand virgins?) and Islam and his pals can always try to kill fellow Kuffar inmates to get brownie points with Allah to make up for this complete failure on their part, that is, if they don't get killed first by some other of Allah's murder minded minions. They're everywhere!
Posted by: Lex at April 10, 2008 10:18 PM
Note one thing - the CNN headline.
"Airline plot suspect vowed jihad in video."
See that?
"Vowed JIHAD."
Is that a first for CNN? To use the j-word in a headline? Usually Mr Spencer has to rewrite the headlines for clarity, replacing terms like 'terrorist' with 'jihadist'. He didn't have to do it, for this one.
Now think of all the people who will see that headline, and read that story who, in the past 2-3 weeks, have been watching, and discussing, 'Fitna', with their friends and acquaintance...Who, just possibly, may have dusted off a Quran and found out to their horror that Wilders was not exaggerating at all, at all, at all?
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 10, 2008 11:46 PM
Here's an in depth article about those eight would be bombers, includes farewell speeches by Umar Islam and the others. Complete with Quran references...
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/terrorism.php?id=1387165
Posted by: duh_swami at April 10, 2008 11:52 PM
Yup, the goalposts are constantly moved to elude, no matter what proof is given that Islam itself may just have something to do with the violence committed in its name.
Posted by: alexon at April 10, 2008 11:56 PM
I agree with Pelayo - 6 layers of devil's advocacy before hitting this story.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 11, 2008 1:50 AM
Resist You May; But Come to Terms; You Have To!
One can cajole Islam or resist it, criticise it or even hate it; this may not be the matter of any contention. What matters the most is that we should know; what Islam is?
Religion of Islam is not some thing new. Islam is an improved, duly reformed and latest higher degree version of teachings tested and tried over centuries which were initially imparted by our common religious father Abraham. Islam with its latest Holy Book Quran fundamentally confirms the Torah of Moses and all the prophets of Jews; it clarifies the contentious position of the Reformer of Israelite the ‘Jesus the Christ’ and also confirms the true teachings contained in Bible. Islam where confirms and validates these old denominations, also makes them stand firm on their true foundations.
The very high held phenomena of Love is very much revered and relished in the circles of Christianity. This factor of Love is one which remains close to the heart of all the Christian societies. Love thy neighbour; God is love and it is all but love of God, were the main guiding lines spelled out by the Reformer of Judaic- Jesus; who was a humble soul sent by God. But one is tended to think that why after all only the message of love became so important that it was required to be spread in the societies of Israelites? And why it has become the requirement of the time?
It is observed that before the advent of Jesus, Israelites were found very harsh in conduct and their hearts were very much hardened. God loves His creation and it was required that tenderness of Love and affection remained filled in their lives. History tells us that Israelites were earlier found low of the low and destitute people under Pharaoh in Egypt. There lives were worthless. Life was but a misery. Their male members, even in infancy were taken away and killed. Ultimately they were told to migrate under the command of Moses to escape the Pharaoh’s tyranny.
Later to inculcate the sense of pride and honour among them; where they were supported with divinely provisions; special commandments and laws were also introduced. Laws like eye for eye; tooth for tooth and blood for blood were enforced. This has helped restore their dignity and pride among them but over the time these rules when became the cultural norms in society; it has made them haughty, cruel and their hearts were hardened. It needed a surgery to bring back the tenderness, love and affection among them. Love became the requirement of the day; so Jesus* a humble soul was sent to spread love.
Waters keep on flowing and time passes by; after Jesus era of reformation was over; God delivered His final Word and Islam dawned on the Horizons. Muhammad* brought Quran as a universal Guidance for the whole of mankind. In case of believers of Islam where Quran gives them the glad tidings; it also admonishes them very strenuously, lest they deviate from Allah’s path and be punished like the old defunct denominations who could earn nothing except the wrath of God. The strictness and supposedly stringent and stern instructions found in the commandments for the believers in Quran denote that there is no more a Jesus like honeymoon period for them to avail. The completion and finalization of all the commandment and guidance required for the mankind has since been done. The period of push and pull; despair and hope and the era when sending of prophet at the head of every century was necessary to steer the masses back on to track has since gone. Even the completion phase of Word of God required for the mankind has also fished with the advent of Prophet Muhammad*. Every thing is spelled out clear and with out any ambiguity. It is action time to submit to Allah’s will with fullest of devotions. Muslims ought to be enough articulates to invite others to come and submit at the Alter of God lest it is too late and they all are doomed. Muslims have to strive very hard to full fill their duty. Muslims are told that Allah is the ultimate love and they should fear Allah that they are not caught for any slackness in their conducts to full fill their duty after this that order has been passed and they should also lead their lives with a high hope that Allah is there to bless and forgive them.
Having known these facts and fundamentals of our religion; if some one negates Islam; he or she is not negating Islam but the entire mythology found in religion. He also negates the Torah and Bible and all the other valid scriptures and the prophets as well as the ‘Divinity of God’.
It is but imperative for all of us to know Allah’s plans and submit to His will. We need to carve our lives and our societies accordingly.
Resist we may; but come to terms; we have to.
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Love for all, Hatred for None
* Peace and blessings of Allah be upon them.
at April 11, 2008 4:28 AM
khokar:
You poor deluded soul!
What ARE you rambling on about!
at April 11, 2008 6:53 AM
Posted by: Sencit at April 11, 2008 6:53 AM
Khokar:
You ……………soul.
What ARE you rambling on about!
Dear Sencit,
Just mirroring the true picture!
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Love for all, Hatred for None
at April 11, 2008 7:28 AM
A Khokar,
I have come to terms with Islam. That is, I've concluded that its one and only messenger, Mohammad, was a psychotic murderer, thief, liar, and rapist, who was served then as today by mind-numbed robots who see Allah's perfect will in Mohammad's execrable behavior.
His Qur'an, most of it threatening doom to any who reject his hate filled and self-serving message of Arab supremacism, does far more to distort and rewrite the Bible, particularly concerning the words and deeds of Jesus, than confirm it. It should be labelled as toxic waste and burned.
Posted by: Lex at April 11, 2008 7:53 AM
Khokar cackles:
"...common religious father Abraham. Islam with its latest Holy Book Quran fundamentally confirms the Torah of Moses and all the prophets of Jews.."
Khokar: Muhammad inventions and fantasies cannot be connected with Abraham in any way, neither is there anything 'Abrahamic' in Islam.
Neither is the Koran the book of Allah because it says so in the Koran. The Koran doesn't 'confirm the Torah of Moses and all the prophets of Jews"- the Koran is full of falsehood and stupidity and threatens Muslims and unbelievers with hellfire if they don't submit to Muhammad. The Koran is full of hatred for the kuffar and incites warfare and genocide.
The Koran is a filthy book and should be banned.
Khokar: take your Ahmadiyya slogan and rub it!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 11, 2008 9:33 AM
Where is Rage Boy?
(Umar) Islam says Allah "loves us to die and kill in his path."
What an Islamophobe! Tainting the "religion of peace" with his vile and racist remarks! Who does he think he is?
Oh, that's right - he's a Muslim jihadi. Okay, nothing to see here, move along, folks. Go away, dhimmis.
Posted by: tanstaafl at April 11, 2008 10:58 AM
Allah "loves us to die and kill in his path."
Real quote-of-the-week stuff, and it is a good thing that he decided to go digital with it for future reference.
It is interesting that CNN covered it, and that it made it to the Guardian and the BBC. It is going to be hard for them to talk him a way out of this one.
at April 11, 2008 4:05 PM
"I know what would be good therapy, take a picture of bin Laden or Zawahiri or Adam Gaddan into the woods, nail that picture to a stump, and use up a box of .223 at it."
Pelayo,
It might make you feel good but isn't it also a waste of good ammunition?
Find something that can be used over and over again.
at April 11, 2008 4:10 PM
How about some Osama bin Laden toilet paper?
Posted by: Lex at April 11, 2008 7:35 PM
Great idea, Lex.. to wipe away the Khokar..
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at April 11, 2008 9:28 PM
This fat eehmama's boy's also a Youtube star.. see for yourselves..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NaroY8UqVJQ&feature=related
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at April 11, 2008 9:33 PM
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