What a strange psychosis afflicts the muslim mind. To always have to be meddling in everyone else's life is such a task. No wonder nothing is ever accomplished in the middle east. EVERYTHING is a provocation. We should just get used to that.

Posted by: Jewel Atkins at April 12, 2008 8:06 AM

Well Sheikh Yousuf al-Qaradawi forgets is that what Pope Benedict XVI was simply OBEYING the COMMAND of Jesus to "go out and make disciples of all the nations", which includes baptizing those who were Muslims.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 12, 2008 8:13 AM

“We try to seek peace with the Vatican and the World Council of Churches but in vain. They keep provoking us by their hostility.”

Translates to:
If you don't love us, we're going to kill you! (?)
If you don't join Islam you're hostile.

A public baptism is a hostile act but the call to prayer on public streets is not?

If a public baptism is a hostile act against Islam then how about:
- cleaning your feet in a public restroom in the middle of the day (didn't shower that morning?)
- dropping to the floor in the middle of an airport (chapel not close enough?)

Given the umma's jihad against the West, these can be considered acts hostile to non-Muslims. You keep provoking us with your hostility.

Posted by: PMK at April 12, 2008 8:34 AM

I don't see why the Vatican should have anything to do with Islam in the first place. The Roman Catholic Church certainly does not have anything to do with other satanic cults whose practices typically include ritual murder (e.g. beheadings) and homicidal suicide, the slaying of defectors, paedophilia etc.

Posted by: StrulZigelboim at April 12, 2008 8:36 AM

Sheikh Yousuf "There is no compulsion in religion" al-Qaradawi is a compleat idiot. It figures that he would head the IUM and ECFR, those Islamic bastions of intellectual rigor and prowess.

The genius asserts that "that person," (Magdi Allam) "has been a Catholic for more than five years." Uh, wrong. One only becomes a Catholic by being BAPTIZED into the Church. Qaradawi must not have read his catechism.

"The problem is that he was baptised by the Pope in public and in front of satellite TV cameras. This is a hostile act against Islam."

May there be many more such hostile acts against Islam, a form of "religion" that HATES freedom of conscience, speech, and association, in other words, against the sacralized screechings of a 7th century murdering Arabian madman who claimed to be a prophet.

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 8:39 AM

" “We try to seek peace with the Vatican and the World Council of Churches but in vain. They keep provoking us by their hostility.”

Apparently the speaker is unaware of the ongoing cleansing and eradication programs in Muslim countries being carried out by Muslims..In some countries the percentage of Non Muslims now approaches zero...The Muslims certainly use fear and violence to accomplish this...I hope others leave the embrace of the the Death Cult..

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 8:45 AM

Did this scholar consider Jeremiah Wright's leaving Islam and his subsequent rise to prominence as the head of a Christian church to be similarly provocative?

Posted by: PMK at April 12, 2008 9:14 AM

I think that hostile acts are more like the things we see here almost on a daily basis: beheading schoolgirls on the way home from school, gunning down bishops, attacking a Christian shopkeeper, after going to retrieve a dustpan after sweeping up a small pile of rubbish and leaving it by a mosque, and on and on ad nauseam.

Baptizing a convert is part of the Pope's calling. Get over it

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 12, 2008 9:24 AM

Jeremiah Wright...what an anti America slug he is...besides we already know...you can never leave Islam if you are a Muslim..

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 9:27 AM

Of course, if a couple of Qaradawi's thugs catch up with Allam and chop off his head, that will be all right. It's an ideal illustration of the difference between Christianity and Islam: the former sprinkles a little water on one's head; the latter chops off one's head.

Posted by: ebonystone at April 12, 2008 9:35 AM

The scholar also blamed the West for worsening relations with Islam. “We try to seek peace with the Vatican and the World Council of Churches but in vain. They keep provoking us by their hostility.”

I soooo sorry for not being able to see you seeking peace, but the dust and debris from your last bombing, beheading, riot, etc. etc. just clouds my vision of you err... peaceful efforts of Taqqiya.

And if living as FULL CITIZENS of the world exercising our RIGHTS of FREEDOM of SPEECH, FREEDOM of RELIGION, and FREEDOM of THOUGHT are provoking to you, grow up "scholar Sheikh Yousuf al-Qaradawi".

On the aside when the heck did pounding your head on the carpet and memorizing a religious book make a person a scholar? Religious Zealot is more like it.

Posted by: senor doeboy at April 12, 2008 9:41 AM

Qaradawi said the public baptism has worsened relations between the Vatican and IUMS.

Let's see. The Pope's baptizing a convert to Christianity is a provocative act. But the Friday mosque-services rantings by imams all over the world are not provocative; rather, the imams are free to "practice" their Wahhabist version of Islam.

What provokes Muslims, of course, is the very existence of any who don't follow MTP. That's "the logic" which these jihaodmaniacs want us infidels to wrap our minds around.

And this is the same Qaradawi who issued the coded fatwa against Wafa Sultan, too.

BTW, today's WaPo carried this article, entitled "Saudi Interfaith Summit Faces Challenges: King's Ambitious Plan, However, Elicits Some Prompt and Vocal Support at Home, Abroad."

Challenges? I guess! **snerk**

Posted by: Always On Watch at April 12, 2008 9:44 AM

Islam's representation of Jesus is the ultimate insult. The ludicrous 'cross switch' explanation of how Jesus didn't really die on the cross, the making of him into a 'Prophet of Allah' and the way Muslims have expunged the entire sublime message of Christianity while leaving in fourth-rate Gnostic 'infant narrative' miracles that would have appealed to the illiterate Muhammad.

THAT is why the Church should draw a line and say NO you ARE IN ERROR come to the Truth. That is the duty of any Christian - to simply state that the Jesus of Christianity is the true Jesus.

Never forget. Islam believes Jesus is in that Great Brothel in the Sky effing his brains out and stuffing his face as his 'reward'. Allah can't offer any more. There is no 'gazing upon the Face of God, no ineffable sublimity or 'unity with the sacred'. Allah is aloof, untouchable and the most Allah can offer his 'faithful' is virgins, little boys and tasty food.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 12, 2008 9:53 AM

I watch the news out of the middle east service which places english subtitles on the stuff spewing out from islamic countries: muslims on their TV shows saying nothing BUT controversial stuff from "allah says to beat your wife its in the quran--read it!" to "islam must dominate the world and force through jihad the conversion to allah (ie islam)" to "infidels are pigs and dogs which is a punishment by allah and I know of one man who was made into a pig by allah for rejecting islam" to "when islam dominates all remaining christians and jews must pay the tax and wear distinctive clothing" to "if you preach that islam is not peaceful then you deserve to be stoned!" on and on.

And baptizing some fellow through his OWN FREE WILL decided he wants to be a catholic now and not islamic is PROVOCATIVE?

Islamic people out there--our media might be playing along with you but WE SEE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE.

Islam = Nazism

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at April 12, 2008 9:56 AM

"This is a hostile act against Islam,” he told Doha-based Al Jazeera television."

LOL. Thanks for my morning laugh, cabbagehead.

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 10:01 AM

I would love to say to the Shiek, face-to-face, "The existence of Islam is a hostile act against the entire world."

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 10:05 AM

Islam seeks provocations in order to justify its own need for violent expansion. Ooop, just saying the truth of that is a provocation. As an Nigerian friend of mine once said, "You can't talk with Muslims."

Posted by: James Martel at April 12, 2008 10:32 AM

Caution: Muslims easily enflamed!

Posted by: maryrose at April 12, 2008 10:33 AM

Really Zaka?

Moslim waffen-SS / Muslim SS and the history

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RtWDIT8CcAY&feature=related

Posted by: Elric66 at April 12, 2008 10:54 AM

Well said, poetcomic1.

Posted by: undaunted at April 12, 2008 11:03 AM

"And yes it is historical Fact that Adolf
hated Islam and loved catholic Austria!

Posted by: zakariyyaazzam "

hahahahahah...you are too funny!!

It is a fact Hitler loved Muslims...He was an admirer and consort with the Grand Mufti of Jeruselam...It was the Muslims who suggested to Hitler that he deport the Jews to the Middle East, where the Muslims would attack and kill the Jews...Hitler declined, he wanted to kill the JEws too...it was then that the Grand Mufti of Jeruselam and other Muslims leaders helped Hitlers gang of thugs design the deadly consentration camps and ultimately the gas chambers that killed millions of people...In fact, Hitler employed some of the most ruthless Muslims as prison guards in the consentration camps...and there were indeed elite Nazi SS units comprised of Muslims, who revelled at the opportunity to round up Jews destined for extermination in the Muslim designed death camps...I suggest you go to the History Channel and buy the film "Sadaam and the third Reich" for actual film footage of Hitler smiling and hugging the Grand Mufti of Jersulem...other films are availiable showing the Muslim / Nazi SS units actually helping the German Nazi SS units load Jews into railroad cattle cars...it is another fact the MUslims and the Nazis shared terror tactics and torture methods...they were, in fact, brothers in arms...

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 11:24 AM

It's time for a war don't you think?

Posted by: RayTonic at April 12, 2008 11:27 AM

The scholar also blamed the West for worsening relations with Islam. “We try to seek peace with the Vatican and the World Council of Churches but in vain. They keep provoking us by their hostility.”

In what ways have they tried to seek peace with the Vatican? By holding a gun to their head and telling them to submit?

Not the kind of peace that I would want.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 12, 2008 11:50 AM

zakariyyaazzam -- Well, our muslim friend has been reincarnated into another life with another name!

But where did he get this name from? Did he just close his eyes and start typing? Did he fall asleep while typing, and that's what resulted?

Anyhow, zakariyyaazzam, any friend of mohammed, who had sex with a nine-year-old girl, is no friend of mine.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 12, 2008 11:58 AM

poetcomic1,

I share your outrage over how Mohammad perverted the Gospel narratives to suit his own grubby and self-exalting purposes. If he had he been an honest man and not an egomaniacal deceiver, this illiterate would have requested that his scribes read to him a canonical Gospel account, Luke's, for example, to learn what orthodox Christianity believes to be true about the birth and early childhood of Jesus, as well as his very real crucifiction. He then could have ditched the Gnostic gobbledygook and told his angellic muse "Jibreel" to go back to hell from whence he came, but he didn't. How could he? He was ALLAH'S PROPHET, the best ever, who would never play second fiddle to any previous prophet, not even one who worked miracles (while he had none on his resume, other than the absurd claim that his Qur'an was a miracle in itself.)

IMO, this theft of the Christian story -six centuries old by the time Mohammad stole it- is the most damnable of the many crimes that Mohammad perpetrated on the unsuspecting, because in so doing he cheated BILLIONS of souls out of knowing the truth about Jesus of Nazareth.

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 12:05 PM

From the article:

PROMINENT scholar Sheikh Yousuf al-Qaradawi has denounced Pope Benedict’s baptism of a Muslim-born journalist during the last Easter Mass at the Vatican as a “provocative and hostile act against Muslims”.
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I sure wish prominant Christian leaders (or anyone, for that matter) would stand up as strongly and forcibly in defense of Christianity in the face of TRULY provacative and hostile acts by Muslims against Christians. Remember when those two Fox News journalists were captured by some terrorist group in Gaza and forced to convert on camera to Islam at the threat of death?? I don't recall hearing much controversy surrounding that, from either Christian leaders nor Muslim leaders. Now THAT was a truly hostile, dispicable act. This free-will conversion to the love of Christ under Catholicism is about the most peaceful act on Earth. But leave it to Muslims to show their right-is-wrong, up-is-down backasswards mentality to pervert it.

Posted by: JenBee at April 12, 2008 12:09 PM

Qaradawi caused something of a storm here in the UK when the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, publicly embraced him, even though he's publicly supported suicide bombers and has some pretty harsh words to say about gays, including that they should be dropped from buildings, or whatever delightful method of execution is favoured by these people. Livingstone has been a supporter of gay rights but really blotted his copybook when he did that.

Posted by: AndyA at April 12, 2008 12:12 PM

The problem is that he was baptised by the Pope in public and in front of satellite TV cameras.

...that he was baptised...

Let's just leave that one alone for the moment, since you claim to not be offended by his conversion.

...by the Pope...

So a cardinal or bishop or other clergy would have been okay in public, etc.?

...in public...

Now I think we are getting somewhere. The Pope baptized others, but not the "he" you are concerned with. A Muslim.

...and in front of satellite TV cameras...

Regular cable would have been okay. No? Hand held video cams uploading to YouTube? No?

Oh, it's the world wide brazen flaunting of a murtadd being celebrated as a prized possession, the first of many to be so lauded and paraded that's got you upset. Sending the message that it's okay to be an apostate to the entire planet, that we're not afraid of you or afraid to let you know that we're not afraid.

So you really are offended by his conversion.

Well, we're really excited about it and he is proud. We're going to celebrate. Even the angels are rejoicing.

Sorry, you'll just have to deal with it. It's God's will.

What are you going to do when he does 10 at a time? A hundrend? A thousand?

Sure, it's going to become very fashionable to be a former Muslim being publically baptized by the Pope in public in front of satellite TV cameras as a Christian. So some will probably just be whoring their insincere wet heads in front of the cameras. Not to worry, God will sort them out. But for now, I think every willing Muslim apostate should be publically baptized in front of the largest collection of widest distribution media that can be found, by the most recognizable available qualified individual to do it. It could start as a competition on the televangelist shows, who baptized the most Muslim apostates this week. Then, hundreds of millions watching "American Apostate" or "Britain's Got Apostates!" Finally, some TV worth watching.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 12:34 PM

Is this guy railing against the same WCC that is the biggest incarnation of the anti-Israel Religious Left? If he thinks even they're crusaders, then there are absolutely no Christians this guy would even condescend to talk to.
Thanks, Mr. Spencer, for bringing to light once again the supremacist double standard these sorts of people are promoting.

Posted by: ppeter at April 12, 2008 12:42 PM

Could somebody hose this guy down and give him some lithium?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 12:55 PM

Which is it to be this time? 'Baptism rage' or 'Vatican rage'?

Posted by: Sencit at April 12, 2008 12:56 PM

The ravings of "zakariyyaazzam" are nothing short of a gibbering voice from the outer darkness - blind fury, raging unreason, gnashing of teeth. As Clement of Alexandria said (Protrepticus, cap. xii, 94), ignorance (hê agnoia) is a form of madness (manias eidos). What can one say of ignorant madness elevated to the status of a religion with millions of fanatical devotees?

Posted by: StrulZigelboim at April 12, 2008 1:11 PM

In the real world most people don't really care about religion one iota but those that do can go from one to the other if they so choose without being killed

I saw this man's conversion as a good thing.

I am not a Christian. But I do however feel that if the whole Muslim world would become Christian or Jewish we would not have all these problems we have today.

Imagine a world without Islam. It's easy if you try.

Posted by: avisegev67 at April 12, 2008 1:14 PM

“We try to seek peace with the Vatican and the World Council of Churches but in vain. They keep provoking us by their hostility.”

In short, the Vatican and the World Council of Churches won't acknowledge Mohammad as a Prophet. That's what really sticks in their throats.

The baptism of Majdi Allam is a hostile act because it suggest' that Islam is not the path to God and salvation. The only response from the Vatican, and other Christian leaders, that would satisfy Sheikh Qaradawi, is when they all worship in the Mosque in Mecca.

Anything short of that will be interpreted as provocative and hostile act against Muslims.

Posted by: rational at April 12, 2008 1:14 PM

1400 years of history proves that hostility is the corner-stone of Islam. 'Religion-of-Peace' is deception, the other leg of Islam, only fools like Dubya and Condi fall for. (In dubya's case, millions of petro-dollars make him a corrupt fool, but a fool none-the-less).

Posted by: Alert at April 12, 2008 1:21 PM

zakariyyaazzam,

Would it suprise you that there was a Muslim mufti who was befriended by Hitler? Goes to show that the Muslims had sided with the Nazis during WWII.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 12, 2008 1:23 PM

Concerned Citizen,

Good grief, is the moon due to go full? It seems like during the last few days there has been some crazy postings being posted by a few trolls who do not have all their marbles.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 12, 2008 1:33 PM

Qaradawi: Pope's baptism of Muslim convert a "provocative and hostile act against Muslims"

... but there is no compulsin in religion, right? Oh. it is another of those 'you-have-to-be-a-muslim-to-understand' lie?

Posted by: Alert at April 12, 2008 1:35 PM

“We try to seek peace with the Vatican and the World Council of Churches but in vain. They keep provoking us by their hostility.”

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That's right folks - freedom of speech and religion is an act of hostility.

This is why Islam is simply not compatible, as a political institution, in a democracy that values free, open, and public discourse.

"Seek peace?" Oh - you mean 9/11, Spain, London, and the children at the Russian school. The shelling of Israel and the beheading of hostages?

Oh yes - with their brand of peace - who needs war?

Posted by: Monkeywho at April 12, 2008 2:21 PM

"Many muslims in islamic areas opposed Nazism!"

oh really...here...let me help you out...those who helped, supported or other collaborated with the Nazis include:

Mohamma Amin Al-Husani, one of the founders of Syrias Ba'ath Party.

Gamal Abdell Nasser, future Egyptian President

Nassiri Nasser, Gamal's brother who translated Hitlers "Mein Kampf" into Arabic describing HItler in Glowing terms.

Anwar Sadat, future Egyptian President

Hassan Al-Banna , Muslim Brotherhood supporter of the Nazis

Abd Al-Munim Adb Al-Rauf, another leader of the Muslim Brotherhood

Dr Ibrahim Hasa, the 2nd deputy of Ikhwan

IN 1942, five Muslim tribes in the Caucasus openly welcomed the Nazis..they were the Chechens, the Ingushes, the Balkans, the Karachais, and the Kabardines.

Haj Hamin, a prominent Muslim leader who helped develope Hitlers' "Final Solution"

Anton Sa'Ada of the Syrian Nationalist party, who styled himself as the Furher of the Syrian Nation

Palistinians supported the Nazis, as did Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Iran. In fact, so intense wasr the Shah's identificatgion wht the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his country "Iran"...which in Farsi means Sryan and refers to the Proto-INdo-European lineage that Nazi radical theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished..

The Mufti of Jeruselam, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, who helped advise Himmler and Eichman in the systematic extermination of the Jews.

(the Mufti in 1920 organized thousands of Arabs to attack Jews in Jeruselam,, during this uprising Jews were killed and Jewish women Raped.

Rashid Ali Al-Kaylani, Prime Minister of Iraq favored the Nazis, he even asked Hitler for permission to deal with the Jews

Some Nazi Muslim units who participated in killing the Jews and acting as brutal prison guards include:

the 13th Div, known as Hanjar
the 21st Div, known as Skanderberg
the 23rd Div, known as Kama

at least 27 Waffen divions had large numbers of Muslim soldiers.

Muslim Croatian units assigned to the Nazi army massacred hundreds of thousands of Serbian Orthodox Christians.

Inth the concentration camp know as Jacenovac over 200,000 people died at the hands of the Muslim guards...

I could go on...but you might get my drift...Muslims did support Hitler..they certainly did not oppose him..

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 2:22 PM

"he renamed his country "Iran"...which in Farsi means Sryan"

correction..it meany ARyan....ring any bells?...

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 2:26 PM

Big deal, Qaradawi thinks that every infidel breath, is a hostile act. Breathe deeply Infidels.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 12, 2008 2:33 PM

I thought the whole thing was an acclamation of his faith. My mistake.

Posted by: Mystical Time Traveler at April 12, 2008 2:33 PM

Everytime the Pope says Mass he declares his beliefs (as do all the members of the congregation). Those beliefs are not those of Muslims. This is not news to anyone and it should not be news to Muslims. In truth very few people in the West share the beliefs of the Muslims. What Pope did on Easter was no more a hostile act than what he does every day.

In the West changing religions is not a crime and Muslims are showing their implicit hostility by making it an issue.

Posted by: Jerry M at April 12, 2008 2:37 PM

At what point can his IP address be forwarded to authorities. For all I know this guy is the Muslim with three wives four houses down from me in suburban Minnesota.

This isn't a homegrown, but it sure is a motherland problem waiting to happen.

This is why we can't talk to them. This is why Obama is an idiot. They DO NOT HOLD the same values and cannot even follow the debate and observations of this thread.

It makes me wish all devout Muslims were replaced with Geico cavemen. We'd have a much better society.

I just saw on the History channel today how the ancient Macedonians, as late as 300AD, had created elementary batteries. They found one in Baghdad. Gosh, I wonder what happened to that wonderful technology. Swallowed up, like all else inevitably, in the intellectual black hole of Islam.

Posted by: winoceros at April 12, 2008 2:46 PM

"Stop talking about the Past!""

...the past is directly related to the now which is directly affecting the future...

It is Islam which seeks to remove or alter or deny the past, upset the now and to dominate the future...

Those who ignore the connections of the past to the now will suffer from their stupidity in the future...

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 2:56 PM

'This Webpage is about "violent" Jihad Today!!
It tries to convince people that Jihad=WAR
is madness and morally wrong and Evil!'

Wrong again oh Dizzywon, from the webpages own comments:

"Jihad Watch is dedicated to bringing public attention to the role that jihad theology and ideology plays in the modern world, and to correcting popular misconceptions about the role of jihad and religion in modern-day conflicts. We hope to alert people of good will to the true nature of the present global conflict."

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 3:05 PM

Muslims are Perturb for The Acts of Old

Pope's baptism of Muslim convert is provocative and hostile act against Muslims or not but I only know that in the fields of education if they say that PhD qualification is superior to the Graduation or High school education; then let it be…that Islamic Teaching certainly stands superior in the context that it excel in the line of all the other earlier Teachings in religion and supersede them accordingly. Need less to say that Islam bears bigger responsibilities on its shoulders to play a bigger role toward the forthcoming grand schemes of God Almighty… predestined for the mankind in the future on this planet.

All the higher teachings; their qualities and achievement invariably rest on the conduct of students and their ability shown at their foundations schooling. Considering that up bringing and grooming in our religion is spread over centuries; matter of fact is that Islam finds that earlier on there were very few quality, brilliant or devotee students (followers) found in the previous denominations. Rather the Principal above us; our Almighty God was not totally happy with their conduct. They lacked required esteem, obedience and perseverance. They were rejected by Him altogether. Consequently followers of Islam end up with the severer admonishing and hard work to bring about the positive results. Quran is full of stringent warnings from Almighty where earlier denominations disappointed Him a lot and proved to be the worst defiant lot. Even after getting ample warnings they failed to mend their bad behaviours. Consequently God was compelled to punish them severely for their doings.

Present day I find that lot of my friend representing old denominations, pass very sarcastic, grievous and provocative remarks about Quran’s and various admonishing that it contains. Most of them are fond of mocking even the Holy Prophet of Islam; but they failed to understand that it is all the doing of their ancestors which are high lighted in shape of admonishing here in Quran; Muslim Ummah stands quite perturb about this to find themselves at receiving end.

They say; While Mrs Marple ate all the apple pies; Mr Ford ends up paying for it.

(khann peen noon Noor Bhari; tay dhoun bhnan noon Juma)
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Posted by: A Khokar at April 12, 2008 3:23 PM

Who are these moslem swine to even comment on whatr the Pope does in Europe?!

They have NO SAY about what we do in Europe!!

Where are the Europeans saying this lound and clear?

And please.. NO more money for the Middle east!

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at April 12, 2008 3:31 PM

Criminal minds, and paranoid minds (and there is some overlap there) see the world as centered on their existence and see anything that displeases them as hostile to them.

More and more I see mohammedanism as largely a codification of the criminal mind as a moral standard.

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It's all pretty primitive really.

They seem, considered as a culture, to have mastered the concept of having rules.

But they don't seem to have gotten to the point of figuring out that the rules have any purpose other than to please the person[s] in power.

Their "allah" in this context is sort of the super-daddy or super-dictator or perhaps super-thug, who rules by whim and who's every whim must be obeyed.

Neither do they seem to have any handle on the idea that the law has to make some logical sense.

They even insist that that idea, the demand for logical sense is heretical -- human logic being so far inferior to "allah's" magical super-knowledge.

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These people are far more than a mere 1000 years behind the rest of the world.

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And no, that gap is not going to be bridged by "dialogue".

Neither can we reasonably expect much change at a mass cultural level in our lifetimes.

Where have we seen an example of any group of any size, any really primitive and brutal group, adopting humane and rational moral standards in a single generation or two ?????????????

Tell me a single example!

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And BTW "mutual understanding" is logically impossible. Our standards make absolutely no sense to them, and most of the west resolutely refuses to consider what the mohammedan outlook might really be, for fear of what they might discover.

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I'm convinced that the course RS is following is the only hope the world has.

Until the mohammedan point of view is widely and well known, there will be no chance of making a rational response.

And until the mohammedan point of view is throughly discredited among their own people, there will be no chance of meaningful change.

I will add however, that one of the key things that must be popularly recognized is mohammedan contempt for logic.

Until then, western people will be continually duped by the notion that the mohammedans they are speaking with are seeking a logical consensus in the same sense that a westerner would -- and that they have the same desire for a logical conclusion.

This is clearly not the case.

Posted by: joeblough at April 12, 2008 3:35 PM

Consequently followers of Islam end up with the severer admonishing and hard work to bring about the positive results. Posted by: A Khokar

Having been roundly refuted on a previous thread, Khokar is back to spew his pompous bile.

Hard work. Would that be with the hard erections pious Muslims have while raping the wives of their enemies after their pre-emptive "defensive" jihads, captives obtained while raiding their enemies homes? Or the hard work of raping children under the pretense of marriage? Or the hard works of decapitating or dismembering bound defeated prisoners? Allah is so proud of your hard work! What a sick mind you have, obedient to your sick, lust consumed "prophet".

Islam did not exist before Mohammed. Allah bears no resemblance to the Jewish and Christian God, as described in writings predating Islam by hundreds and thousands of years. Mohammed is not fortold anywhere. Islam is successor to nothing. It is the invention of an illiterate epileptic, plagiarist, dissension sowing, rapist, warmongering, murdering pedophile who was a conscious imposter, and whose poetry reads well only in Arabic because it is so mediocre and obviously situationally contrived.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 3:40 PM

There is no Christian solidarity. Never has been.

Who but Armenians ever speak of the genocide?

Who defended the Christians living in Iraq when it was obvious that they would be killed when the US "liberation" began?

The US lead the NATO effort to kill Christian Serbs and establish a new Balkan Muslim country.

The US media never points out the abysmal treatment of Christians in Muslim countries.

Investigative reporting on the subject of Muslim intolerance: nonexistent.

The religious demographic shift in the Middle East, from Christianity, to Islam, is the best kept secret in the world.

Posted by: Charlie at April 12, 2008 3:43 PM

Muslims like to say Islam is the successor to Judaism and Christianity. Of extreme importance to Judaism is the Law, the 10 commandments. Let's see how Islam holds up (Protestant enumeration):

1. No other Gods-- Judaism yes; Islam yes
2. No idols-- Judaism yes; Islam yes
3. Don't misuse the Name-- Judaism yes; Islam yes*
4. Honor the Sabbath-- Judaism yes; Islam no
5. Honor your parents-- Judaism yes; Islam no
6. Don't murder-- Judaism yes; Islam no
7. Don't commit adultery-- Judaism yes; Islam no
8. Don't steal-- Judaism yes; Islam no
9. Don't bear false witness-- Judaism yes; Islam no
10. Don't covet-- Judaism yes; Islam no

(*with great reservation, I'm giving Islam partial credit here)

30% or less is by far a failing grade (F-).

Islam flunks.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 3:46 PM

From Spencer's Blogging the Qur'an, Surah 4

V. 24 forbids Muslims to marry women who are already married, except slave girls: according to Islamic law, once a woman is captured and enslaved, her marriage is immediately annulled (cf. ‘Umdat al-Salik o9.13). At one point, according to a hadith reported by Sahih Muslim, “the Companions of Allah’s Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists.” So the Companions “asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah [verse] was revealed…Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.” Ibn Kathir says that this verse also prohibits temporary marriage – marriage with a predetermined expiration date, which Shi’ites believe was never prohibited. Meanwhile, men who don’t have the money to marry believing women should marry Muslim slave girls (v. 25).

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 3:50 PM

This well respected majority loved muslim leader is the normal hypocrite we have come to expect from the muslim leadership. Christians cannot baptize muslims which is an affront to muslims, and muslims cannot be asked not to slaughter infidels, which is an equal affront.

Hitler too, used to make these insidious types of metaphors which showed his psychopathy and utter disdain for the other like this muslim leader makes for the rest of non muslim mankind. His view is the same as Hitler where each of his propositions is a restatement of the same sick perverted and twisted worldview. His "either... or...." proposition is a singular proposition. Qaradawi's proposition is an all inclusive wish for either the victory of islam, or the death of infidels. He has no regard for infidels consistent with the orthodox islamic view that the infidel may be summarily butchered like a cow or sold in the market place as a slave.

Posted by: David England at April 12, 2008 3:50 PM

"Yes that is exactly what We calling for-Global Conflict!!

We want Conflict with the whole World!!

Come on lets fight!! Bring it on!

Posted by: zakariyyaazzam "

this is an example of what children are being taught in the Madrassas found worldwide and of what is being preached in many mosques worldwide...this has been proven many times by undercover videos and tapes...and even admitted to by Muslim leaders...

it is a mystery to me why western governments allow these facilities to thrive in their countries...

and then we have Presidental hopefuls like Mr Obama and others in his party who proclaim...Let's talk....

come to think of it , maybe tapes of those that make these types of speeches should be taught to Western children of the Non MUslim types...prepare them for what they will inevitably have to face...prepare them for the future...let them learn...let them live free...forever...

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 3:55 PM

America deserves war-violent Jihad like
every othe country,yes including vatican city!

Join me-Join us!!

Please,please do not be weaklings like the majority of germans under Hitler ,who did not
rise up against Kafir Hitler!!
Posted by: zakariyyaazzam

Who is he trying to recruit with that crap?
'Join me-join us'...what, in the loony bin that is Islam?
Only loonies hang out in loony bins. This guy
zakariyyaazzam is a loonie toons if I ever heard one. He's more loony than Khokar but less loony than jafar, actually the three could be renamed 'Larry, Curley and Mo'. Whoops we already have a Mo in this movie so we can use the name Shemp instead. Larry, Curley and Shemp. I bet Jafar knows who those guys are but zakariyyaazzam and Khokar probably don't. Haha, the jokes on them. Keep talking boys, your cracking me up...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 12, 2008 4:10 PM

"He used the stupid and misguided muslims for his
satanic Goals!"

,....wrong again , as usual, THe Muslims used Hitler to achieve their goals of killing the Jews..It was the Muslim advisors on Hitlers payroll that planted the Idea of killing Jews..this began in the early 1930's..by the time WWII began Hitler was happily enthused to kill Jews..

by the way..are you calling Muslims stupid and misguided?...

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 4:13 PM

“We try to seek peace with the Vatican and the World Council of Churches but in vain. They keep provoking us by their hostility.”

How Muslims "seek peace" with Christians: 1) Forcing Christians to live as 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries. 2) Not allowing Christians to build churches or publically worship. 3) Instructing other Muslims to not take Christians as friends. 4) Describing the Bible as false, and Jesus as non-divine. 5) Muslims beheading, burning, bombing, raping, forcing repatriation of Christians from many Islamic countries with no condemnation from Islamic leaders.

How Christians provoke Muslims with their "hostility":
1) Refusal to submit to Islam.

Posted by: Xero G at April 12, 2008 4:24 PM

I agree with the poster who remarked on the WCC being one of the most PC purveyors of multiculti pablum.

But to the fabulist they suppose that those not in their camp must be opposed to them. How little they know, as the Iranian filmmaker opined Mossad and al-kida are on the same team.

Good for anyone making a decision as to what they believe using experience, reason and morality in their decision making process.

Ever wonder what would happen if the USA took off the kid gloves and actually made war on Islam as their fabulists like to pretend?

Well first off their is the matter of a few thousand nuclear warheads, there are neutron bombs that will kill people quickly and leave much of the physical assets untouched.

In a few more years the space based chemical laser should be proven, imagine a beam of light from heaven cutting through mosques and buildings throughout the middle east.

The defense department could issue anthrax immunity pills to all they would save and then unleash weaponized anthrax that would be worse than any dark ages plague.

If the west and the USA was actually at war with Islam the war might last at most a week before a living soul from north africa to Indonesia would be rarer than hens teeth.

Posted by: stickman at April 12, 2008 4:39 PM

As much of my rhetorical schooling has come from following Robert & crew's analyses, parsing high-falutin' phrasology down to its q'uranic elements.

One thing that strikes me, as it does when I read articles/essays from Muslim "scientists" and other "ists" (academics), is Khokar's tortured reasoning, based on its equally tortured preceding sentence, and the premise before that and the premise before that.

If you put the original statement together with its conclusion in any of these arguments, even the Muslim would mock it. But because all the intervening "ideas" (how can there be ideas when Allah controls all and all is pre-destined?) are based on Mohammed's joke of a book, it somehow passes as "evidence".

How does anyone instructing Muslims in Western science and ideas deal with the putrid cognitive dissonance that must ooze from their papers and dissertations? If Westerners would stop being such apologists, they could fail all these PhD and Doctoral candidates without a second thought and spare me the thought of seeing one in the emergency room or delivery room.

Posted by: winoceros at April 12, 2008 4:44 PM

Hey zak,

Just out of curiosity, when you write, "America deserves war-violent Jihad like every othe country,yes including vatican city!" have you worked out the percentages of people who will in all likelihood need to be killed to make the world safe for Islam? Is it in the ballpark of 80% of the entire world's population, give or take a few million?

Regarding Vatican City, I expect that you yourself would like to behead Pope Benedict XVI, that totally filthy Islamophobe, "in public and in front of satellite TV cameras," but that honor should probably be given to "Alzheimer Yousef" Qaradawi. Even though you don't like him, he is a brother in Mohammad, agreed?

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 4:56 PM

10 commandments?? Get your definitions right!! Aseret ha-D'varim(Ex.31:18) The word D'varim means word,speak! The word Mitzvot means commandment! So not the 10 commandments but the 10 sayings. And the 613 Mitzvot! Also get your definitions of jewish and islamic adultery,parents,murder,theft,false witness, and covetness right,you are wrong in all of them!!

Did I get under your skin?

Oh, do tell, Zak! Give me the correct definitions so I can be enlightened. Show me the way!

By the way, are you that pedicab driver from New York?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 5:09 PM

Hey Khokar,

You wrote, "Islam finds that earlier on there were very few quality, brilliant or devotee students (followers) found in the previous denominations. Rather the Principal above us; our Almighty God was not totally happy with their conduct. They lacked required esteem, obedience and perseverance. They were rejected by Him altogether.

How very sad for the disciples of Jesus, to have given their lives for NOTHING!!!

Thank you, Khokar, for providing us with the most condescendingly arrogant bit of self-congratulatory Islamobullshit that I have EVER read! You are like your most exemplary master, Mohammad, who was pleased to assume the role of divinely appointed judge, jury, and executioner (and rapist when the occasion presented itself, per Allah's perfect will).

Allow me to suggest that you join zak and start killing infidels. Otherwise, how can you expect to please Allah who wants Muslims to cleanse the earth?

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 5:16 PM

Robert? Marisol?

Jihad Watch indeed.

Posted by: winoceros at April 12, 2008 5:24 PM

Zak,

Exactly what are your plans for the Pope?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 5:27 PM

Jihad Watch?

This calls for Interpol.

Posted by: Hugh at April 12, 2008 5:27 PM

Oh, and by the way, don't wait by the Papal Palace's gate too long...he's enjoying the caring, loving, respectful, adoring hospitality of the citizens of the United States.

Think on that while you make your gums bleed with a piece of scrub wood and shave all your hair off.

See people? Front and center...here it is, here's what they say, what they believe. There is no logic, it doesn't matter.

He is them. All of them.

Posted by: winoceros at April 12, 2008 5:28 PM

A really excellent commentary on the conversion is here

Posted by: madijihadi at April 12, 2008 5:31 PM

Hugh,

Did you reach them?

Posted by: winoceros at April 12, 2008 5:36 PM

Zak is getting exceedingly boring...if he was a radio talk show caller he would have been hung up on long ago...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 12, 2008 5:37 PM

He was dragged into the Vatican and forced to convert by torture.
Oh oh . . . did I get the religions mixed up ?

Posted by: Khaless at April 12, 2008 5:38 PM

Wiki entry

A Takfiri (from the Arabic word تكفيري) accuses other Muslims of apostasy, or Takfir...The term Takfir derives from the word Kufr(impiety) and is described as when "...one who is, or claims to be, a Muslim is declared impure." Those who are declared Takfir are considered excommunicated in the eyes of the Muslim community. According to Islamic or Sharia law, those who are declared Takfir can no longer benefit from the protection of the law, and as such are condemned to death. The severe implications of such punishment has resulted in a rigorous set of rules being formulated under orthodox Islam to determine whether an accused party is guilty of apostasy or not. In principle the only group authorised to declare a Muslim takfir are the ulema, and this only once all the prescribed legal precautions have been taken. However a growing number of splinter Salafist groups- labelled by some scholars as Salafi-Takfiris- have split from the orthodox method of establishing takfir through the processes of the law, and have reserved the right to declare apostasy themselves.

Uh, zak, if you're planning something big, like burning the Vatican flag and attacking a Swiss guard or something more "spectacular," have you notified CNN and the BBC? I'd like to see you on TV, mouthing the words, "For the dear contributors at Jihad Watch!"

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 5:43 PM

Zak,
Due to the number of exclamation points, bad spelling and grammer, I would estimate your age to be 13-14 (too bad Jihad Watch can't require an age minimum for posters). If you ARE an adult, may I suggest that you increase the doseage of your meds, or tell your story to the local police.

Posted by: Xero G at April 12, 2008 5:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOQX6-QAlc&feature=related

Posted by: Hugh at April 12, 2008 5:50 PM

Have we learned nothing here if not to take the jihadist's call to jihad seriously?

Posted by: winoceros at April 12, 2008 5:50 PM

"zakariyyaazzam" -- you're insane. And your grammar (spelled grammar, with an a, not an e) is horrendous). Jihadi Nutjob.

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 5:54 PM

I must take this opportunity to thank all the muslims who responded on here. Instead of showing that Islam does not equal Nazism they unequivocally removed all shadows of doubt that, yes, Islam does indeed equal a pure form of fascism.

The muslim response on here has not been to show otherwise but rather showcased the fact that yes islamics "should do violent jihad" (I guess that jihad as inner struggle only stuff is not working for you) on the 'infidel' world.

Usually they deny the core of Islam outright. This time I saw a embrace of the true violent core of Islam. How refreshing.

Islam = Nazism (and then some!)

PS Robert Spencer is my hero. He tells it like it is and does it with meticulous scholarship. I am rereading "Islam Religion of Peace? Why Christianity is and Islam isn't"

PPS the free world is waking up more and more no matter how much the liberal apologists cry out. The truth is really really really hard to fight against, currently the New York Times is slowly going bankrupt trying to do just that. But I digress...

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at April 12, 2008 5:55 PM

zak's "alternate reality check."

2.This Conflict must be "violent" by Nature!

3.This Conflict must be Global! but not
destructive!

A violently nondestructive conflict! Huh? This goes way beyond Mohammad. I'd even call it so innovative as to be beyond human comprehension.

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 6:01 PM

>>The United States of Filth!! --Zak the Muslim

I wish I could meet you face-to-face, filthy Muslim, worshipping a filthy "god," allah, and a filthy "messenger," Mohamet the Pedophile. Filthy Zak the Mohammedan!

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 6:02 PM

Hey Khokar - how do you like using the Internet that INFIDELS invented! LOL! How do you like using EVERYTHING technological that you own, including the lightbulb, that INFIDELS invented?!

LOL! You Barbarians have invented NOTHING! LOL!

Hey Khokar - next time you get in your vehicle, remember that INFIDELS invented it! LOL!

Mohammedans have invented NOTHING! LOL!

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 6:08 PM

What a waste of humanity. Zak, why would we want to join you? How can you persuade us your way is the way?

Posted by: winoceros at April 12, 2008 6:11 PM

darcy,

It's pretty unlikely, but maybe Amerigo Vespucci's nickname was "Filth."

Incidentally, "filth" in Italian is sporcizia (sporco)

The United States of Sporco? Nah. America will do.

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 6:18 PM

winoceros he is hoping you have a lust for little 9 year old girls and you will join him...you see like his prophet muhmmet did. Islam does not understand that the free world is still filled with men and women of good will who are not attracted by the blood lust and other depravity you get if you join the club (especially if you live in Saudi Arabia or Yemen etc where I see over at dhummi watch a young girl child is trying to divorce her 50 year old 'husband'.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at April 12, 2008 6:19 PM

Hey Zak and Khokar - next time you Mohammedans get on your cell phones, remember that INFIDELS invented ALL telephones!

LOL, Enjoy yourselves on the telephones and cell phones that INFIDELS invented! ROFLMAO!

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 6:19 PM

correction: an 8 year old marrying a 30 year old man not 50 (muhammed was around that age though so in islam its okay to marry and have sex with a 9 year old if you are 50, hence my point still stands).

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at April 12, 2008 6:23 PM

zak and khokar...keep digging, eventually you'll reach bottom.

what's the matter...the tin foil hats a little too tight today?

Posted by: raisethedrawbridge at April 12, 2008 6:28 PM

"he is an agent of Israel" - I thought he was a Catholic! Of course, you just can't tell those infidels apart.

Posted by: tanstaafl at April 12, 2008 6:30 PM

Robert, Hugh, and Marisol, please report this troll and ISP number to the Interpol.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 12, 2008 6:31 PM

The Allies Shall Win,

I wonder if nine year old Aisha was still playing with dolls when Allah's Prophet decided that after having waited THREE LONG YEARS to get him some prepubescent snatch -showing admirable restraint, mind you- he deserved it! Hell yeah!

I'm sure that if anyone had paid close attention, they'd have heard the angels singing with joy for their beloved Mohammad, Allah's finest prophet, who would have taken Aisha sooner but for the perfect example of sexual rectitude that he was inspired to give to the world...

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 6:44 PM

We have a couple of Jihadist Junkies on board today - never is a dull moment when they show up spreading their good cheer and tips on wholesome living. Not!

I see that A Konman is still pushing his, "Love for all, Hatred for none", NONSENSE! Please spare us your bologne, AK, because no one here is buying it. More lying for the cause of Islam, huh?

At least zany-zakariyyaazzam is a little more honest in that he clearly hates our guts and he isn't trying to convince that he LOVES US, unlike A Konman is.

May I suggest a 12-Step Program to our Jihadist Junkies - but be warned - taking the first step is the hardest :-)

And may law enforcement track your evil butts and soon. Have a nice time behind bars!

Posted by: champ at April 12, 2008 6:45 PM

Gotta fight fire with fire, here.

The two Mohammedan "filths" don't like being reminded that EVERYTHING scientific and technological they own and use was INVENTED BY INFIDELS! HA-HA! Isn't that right, Zak and Khokar?! Hey - if you two are REALLY against the West - you'll stop using EVERYTHING the West has invented! That includes indoor plumbing, you hypocrites! That includes cell phones! And that includes the INTERNET! GOODBYE!

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 6:45 PM

Lex

Oy! You said it.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at April 12, 2008 7:02 PM

darcy...It could be worse than that. I read somewhere that plastic steering wheels on cars have a pig enzyme in them. Not only that, if the truth were known, there is probably pig enzyme in a lot of stuff that you wouldn't suspect. What this means to muslims is, that they can live here, but can't touch anything...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 12, 2008 7:04 PM

Hey champ,

I for one am pleased that Jihadi Junkies consider it worth their while to show up here to try and "win" infidels to their scheme of things. Not that they will succeed -dear God preserve us!- but that learning how and why they think as they do is imperative because the goal, the goal of this site, as I see it anyway, is to divert jihadis from the path of destruction that they have embraced "in the cause of Allah," a.k.a., the father of lies, as I understand revelation.

Hugh's link, above, indicates where this battle is TRULY at, in the spiritual realm: light v. darkness; truth v. the lie. The rest of it is politics and governance, important, to be sure, but not the heart of the matter, which is eternal life and death.

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 7:08 PM

duh_swami,

"All you need is gloves!"
sincerest apologies to the Beatles

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 7:13 PM

Hey Lex,

I agree with you, and I was only teasing our two Jihadist Junkies. I know that they don't want to change, and that they are committed to killing kafir and spreading their Islamic filth. Afraid there's only one cure for what ales them, and it ain't a 12-Step program. :-)

Sounds like a job for God Himself!

Posted by: champ at April 12, 2008 7:25 PM

Pope Benedict XVI deserves an enormous amount of credit for his intellectual clarity and courage when it comes to Islam. He is gradually emerging as the outstanding Western leader in this regard.
First, he had that great quote from the Byzantine Emperor Paleologus, which described Islam as a unique blend of religion and coercion. More recently, he baptized Magdi Allam, a former Muslim and a leading journalist and intellectual who has highlighted the relationship between Islam and violence and written a book praising Israel.
Besides making a link between Islam and violence, albeit in a subtle way, the Pope has also said that Islam is incompatible with democracy, and has refused to call it a religion of peace. Nevertheless, the Pope has made a clear distinction between Islam and Muslims, whom he respects.
I think the Pope is a great scholar and thinker of the sort we have way too little of.
You don't have to be Catholic to love the Pope!

Posted by: jewdog at April 12, 2008 7:47 PM

Watching. Reading. Conferring.

Posted by: MarisolJW at April 12, 2008 7:47 PM

jewdog,

With Pope Benedict XVI planning to come to America in the coming week, Americans be they Catholic or not will get an opportunity to see not only a man of deep faith, but also a true Christian and Western leader. Prayers for a safe and spiritual fruitful visit next week. God Bless B16.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 12, 2008 7:54 PM

champ,

I agree, miracles are called for, and there's nothing quite like grace upside the head (that's how we talk around here) to turn would be murderers named Saul into Christian evangelists named Paul.

Imagine the Christian Feast Day of Sts. Zak and A Khobar, Confessors and Martyrs, beheaded for their testimony to the risen Lord Jesus.

Zak's stated intention to meet with the Pope tomorrow brings to mind the time when Pope John Paul II visited Mehmet Ali Ağca in prison. Ağca, if you recall, was the nutjob and career thug who had been hired by the Bulgarians to kill the Pope in retaliation for his support of Solidarity, and almost succeeded.

This is from the wiki entry:

Following the shooting, Pope John Paul II asked people to "pray for my brother (Ağca), whom I have sincerely forgiven." In 1983, he and Ağca met and spoke privately at the prison where Ağca was being held. The Pope was also in touch with Ağca's family over the years, meeting his mother in 1987 and his brother a decade later.

Although Ağca had been quoted as saying that "to me [the Pope] was the incarnation of all that is capitalism", and had attempted to murder him, Ağca developed a friendship with the pontiff. In early February 2005, during the Pope's illness, Ağca sent a letter to the Pope wishing him well and also warning him that the world would end soon.

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 7:57 PM

"Islamic Teaching certainly stands superior in the context that it excel in the line of all the other earlier Teachings in religion"

From Khokar, the loving Ahmadiyya Muslim above.

So serial rape, plunder, mass-murder, molesting children and enslaving whole populations while destroying their culture excels all other teachings in religion?

You are one giant fruitloop, brother...!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2008 7:59 PM

I suspect that this idiot zakariyyaazzam is just trying to provoke some good quotes for CAIR to use in their literature to show how intolerant and "islamophobic" the west is. And yup, we've come to a really good understanding of islam, thanks to islam and muslims themselves. It sucks, unless you're into murder rape and pillage. Then it's a great cult to belong to. Think the islamic rathole countries you speak of who are incapable of even making their own toothpaste and tampons are going to conquer the western world? Mmmm 7th century beliefs and technology against us? Probably not. You can't even manage to destroy little Israel. Declare all out war on them and see your rock god and your countries become green glass. Screw you.

Posted by: Rick at April 12, 2008 7:59 PM

Sorry, Khokar! I get you confused with the Khobar Towers...

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 8:03 PM

Lex...By their gloves you shall know them...

Bright yellow, glow in the dark gloves, would be good.

Posted by: duh_swami at April 12, 2008 8:04 PM

jewdog,

Benedict XVI (Ratzinger) is very bright, a Catholic theologian par excellence, which has actually bothered a great many Catholics who resent being told that grace is not license. It's an old story.

In any case, his eyes are also open to the east. He has discerned Islam and will do what he must to protect the flock that has been entrusted to his care. Pray for him!

duh_swami, :^)

Posted by: Lex at April 12, 2008 8:19 PM

"And you are wrong on hitler!
Were is your documented Evidence!!"

Where?

Big buildings. Usually quiet. Lots of books.

They're called Public Libraries.

I wouldn't imagine you're familiar with them.

They don't have them in Islamic states. Far too dangerous. People might learn something.

Posted by: Rab at April 12, 2008 8:20 PM

concerned citizen posted this above:

Of extreme importance to Judaism is the Law, the 10 commandments. Let's see how Islam holds up (Protestant enumeration):

1. No other Gods-- Judaism yes; Islam yes

Actually, I'd say this is incorrect. Muhammedans worship Muhammad, in fact Muhammad has an even more prominent position in the Koran and the hadith than Allah.

2. No idols-- Judaism yes; Islam yes

Same thing: A People who kill over a Koran down the toilet must be accused of idolizing a book, this is definitely more than reverence.

3. Don't misuse the Name-- Judaism yes; Islam yes*
4. Honor the Sabbath-- Judaism yes; Islam no
5. Honor your parents-- Judaism yes; Islam no
6. Don't murder-- Judaism yes; Islam no
7. Don't commit adultery-- Judaism yes; Islam no
8. Don't steal-- Judaism yes; Islam no
9. Don't bear false witness-- Judaism yes; Islam no
10. Don't covet-- Judaism yes; Islam no

Other than that, you're quite right.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2008 8:30 PM

"4.This includes all so-called islamic States!"

....All the Islamic States I can think of consider themselves Islam above all...which ones were you referring to...I am sure they would be interested to find out that they are only "so-called Islamic States"...I will try to help you out. Of course some the following had people who belong to other religions, but their numbers are dwindling due to the various cleansing campaigns of the "radial Islamists"..

Please choose from the following...the ones you select I will send their governments a copy of your post and let them know some Islamists think of them as a "so-called Islamic State":

1 Indonesia
2 Pakistan
3 Bangladesh
4 Nigeria
5 Egypt
6 Turkey
7 Iran
8 Sudan
9 Algeria
10 Morocco
11 Iraq
12 Uzbekistan
13 Afghanistan
14 Malaysia
15 Saudi Arabia
16 Yemen
17 Syria
18 Kazakhstan
19 Niger
20 Senegal
21 Mali
22 Chad
23 Tunisia
24 Guinea-Conakry
25 Somalia
26 Azerbaijan
27 Tajikistan
28 Libya
29 Jordan
30 Sierra Leone
31 Kyrgyzstan
32 Turkmenistan
33 Eritrea
24 United Arab Emirates
25 Lebanon
26 Albania
27 Mauritania
28 Kuwait
29 Oman
30 Kosovo
31 Gambia
32 Qatar
33 Djibouti
34 Bahrain
35 Comoros
36 Western Sahara
37 Brunei
38 Maldives

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 8:32 PM

Don't miss this important conference:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/13/make-sure-you-dont-miss-this-important-conference/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2008 8:51 PM

"They don't have them in Islamic states. Far too dangerous. People might learn something.

Posted by: Rab"

true true...in fact quality libraries in Muslim countries are slowly being depleted of any books relating history, with the exception of one book..the Koran ...and its version of history is, well...its version..

some libraries have been looted. some have been burned to the ground..

Other sources of history are the vast number of films and old news reels...you can buy copies from a number of sources (Not from Islamic sources , however)...

and then there are the taped recordings from people who actually lived during the 1920s-1950s who vividly describe the involvement of Muslims in Hitlers regime..

and then there are the documents written by many Muslims leaders of the time pledging support for the Nazis.

and then there are the documents captured from the Nazis, showing the huge shipments of arms and explosives to be given to the Muslims for use in attacking the Jews...

and then there are the shipping documents from the German and Italian navies listing the military supplies being delivered to Muslims in Tunesia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and other countries...

and then there are the archieved German newsreels from the 1930s showing Hitler and several Muslim leaders smiling and hugging..(couldn't be a gay thing...Islam has no queers)after signing documents of alliances (many of which were captured by allied troops)..

It is all there for those so inclined to research...(hard to do in Islamic countries and such items have been outlawed for many years). Muslims do not want the truth to get out...and the West seems to have forgotten the past..

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 12, 2008 8:55 PM

sheik yer'mami,

As I have asked earlier today, I suspect that the moon is getting ready to go full and all the nuts are coming out of the woodwork.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 12, 2008 9:01 PM

Just more Enslavement!!

You criticse my call to Jihad!!

Yes that is exactly what We calling for-Global Conflict!!

We want Conflict with the whole World!!

Come on lets fight!! Bring it on!

I especially love the, "Just more Enslavement", line coming from a guy that advocates a religion that enslaves you! Just too funny!

This is clearly one of those misunderstanders of Islam that we hear so much about.
Poor soul just doesn't have a clue as to what his own religion is all about.
Reading his posts one would get the impression that Islam was a violent religion, with violent people looking for a fight. Sigh...

Don't worry yer little head there Zak boy...just pop yer little head up and you''ll get your fight.
He wants a fight? I think it's inevitable that there be one...particularly with short sighted, small minded Islamotards like him on the planet.

Over 20,000 of your Jihadi buddies have bitten the big one in Iraq so far. You want a fight? Take your ass there and put you faith to the test. If you don't, you're a coward and should shut the hell up. Go face some soldiers whose business it is to deal with punks like you.
But that's not your style, huh? You like the rest of the scum like you, prefer that your victims be unarmed and unprepared women and children, and of course the elderly.
When you decide you want to take it to the "armed conflict level", against what you perceive to be unarmed citizens, your martyrdom will come swiftly and from all sides.
If you have visited this site regularly, you know that many of us here are prepared, in many ways, to deal with the likes of you...who desire a "fight".
The vast majority of those who are now prepared, were prepared long ago for a breakdown in society. They wished to be able to defend themselves and their loved ones, from looters and the like, long before they became aware of Islamic nutcakes like you.
Now, those preparations have another possible and I think, inevitable purpose.
And never mind those of us that are, "survivalists". A recent poll in Florida revealed that 84% of residents in a little town called Ocala, keep a firearm in their vehicle.
Careful what you ask for punk.
Bark on...I'm done barkin' back at you. Same with the Hallmark Card writer...Khokar...purty words, no substance. Again...his ability to right click his impressive. A pleasant sounding bark, but just another barking dog none the less, and I don't bark back at barking dogs. Just seems silly to me.

Posted by: Alaskan at April 12, 2008 9:11 PM

>>Think the islamic rathole countries you speak of who are incapable of even making their own toothpaste and tampons are going to conquer the western world? --Rick

LOL.

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 9:20 PM

What the imam really meant to say was:

"Silence, infidels. We cannot let the slaves see freedom. If I have to cut your head off or your throat or your heart out, I will do this in the name and for the honor of Allah (the rock that is housed in the Kabaa in Mecca) and you will obey me. You will not obey me out of love, you will obey me out of fear".

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at April 12, 2008 9:28 PM

Darcy,

FYI: The use of tampons is discouraged in Islam:

It is offensive (makruh) to have this cotton (kursuf) inserted fully in the internal part of the vagina, because it resembles masturbation. (See: Majmu’a Rasa’il Ibn Abidin, 1/84-85)

Also, the Miswak negates the need for a toothbrush.

Halitosis is against Islam:

Bukhari vol.I, no.812 : What has been said about uncooked garlic or onion. And the statement of the Prophet : "Whoever has eaten garlic or
onion because of hunger or otherwise should not come near our mosque". (see also nos.813-815)

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 9:36 PM

"Bark on...I'm done barkin' back at you. Same with the Hallmark Card writer...Khokar...purty words, no substance."

Posted by: Alaskan

LOL!!! That Hallmark joke was great!

Posted by: champ at April 12, 2008 9:41 PM

From an article by Andrew Bostom, here´s a quote about Hitler´s relation to Muhammad and Islam:

During an interview conducted in the late 1930s (published in 1939), Carl Jung, the Swiss psychiatrist and founder of analytical psychiatry, was asked “…had he any views on what was likely to be the next step in religious development?” Jung replied, in reference to the Nazi fervor that had gripped Germany,

We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god. That can be the historic future.

Albert Speer, who was Hitler’s Minister of Armaments and War Production, wrote a contrite memoir of his World War II experiences while serving a 20-year prison sentence imposed by the Nuremberg tribunal. Speer’s narrative includes this discussion, which captures Hitler’s racist views of Arabs on the one hand, and his effusive praise for Islam on the other:

Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said...that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire. Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, “...The Mohammedan religion...would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

Posted by: traeh at April 12, 2008 9:42 PM

In the end, islam will lose this battle. It has lost every battle it has ever waged in history. People do not want islam/submission. People want freedom.

It's hard enough to live in this world with all of its demands. The current world demands your time and focus. Quite simply put:

There is no room for islamin western societies. We are burdened enough, and have No room for yet more rules that govern every aspect of your life, including how you blow your nose or whipe your anus and when you clip your nails. How you wear your clothes, put your gaze down, pray 5 times a day, wash your feet... oh hell, what if I lose my shoes or fart during a prayer? I'd never make it in the islam.

There is no room for islam in the Western world. We're too busy living, loving and respecting lives to think about the millions of little idiocies and violations of the islam. Just.. Go. Away. Please?

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at April 12, 2008 10:17 PM

>>Think the islamic rathole countries you speak of who are incapable of even making their own toothpaste and tampons are going to conquer the western world? --Rick

They are already here, conquering us bit by bit. In the end its demographics: 10 children for every Muslimah, how many have you got?

And how many of us are willing to kill and die to make our religion dominant?

The threat from Islam is far worse than the Nazi's or communism.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2008 10:30 PM

PROMINENT scholar Sheikh Yousuf al-Qaradawi has denounced Pope Benedict’s baptism of a Muslim-born journalist during the last Easter Mass at the Vatican as a “provocative and hostile act against Muslims”.
what else is new Muslims seem to regard any act that is not subservien t to be a hostile act unless we're bowing and scraping and acting like Muslims are the overlords this guy needs to grow up and get off the Muslim is a God act

Posted by: crusader at April 12, 2008 10:42 PM

When John Paul II challenged Soviet hegemony over Eastern Europe shortly after his ascendancy in '79, I remember being an absolute fan. When, over the subsequent decades, the threat of Soviet totalitarianism dissipated and the Islamic threat crystallized...and John Paul's response was so tepid, I lost any residual respect I had for the man.

Benedict has come along and shaken things up. I believe he's actually interested in challenging the Islamic world for hearts and minds. He's actually standing up for the rights of Christians in the Muslim world....the "quiet (dismally ineffectual) diplomacy" of John Paul be damned.

Let's hope Benedict has the foresight and gonads to resist the entreaties of the appeasers within the Vatican foreign secretariat.

Posted by: Cornelius at April 12, 2008 10:46 PM

>>They are already here, conquering us bit by bit. In the end its demographics: 10 children for every Muslimah, how many have you got? --shiek yer mami

Yeah, shiek, I LOL'd at Rick's line about the toothpaste/tampons - but, at the same time I thought about...demographics.

We have to stop Muslim immigration. It's the M demographics that's killing Western Europe.

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 11:16 PM

Darcy,

FYI: The use of tampons is discouraged in Islam:

It is offensive (makruh) to have this cotton (kursuf) inserted fully in the internal part of the vagina, because it resembles masturbation. (See: Majmu’a Rasa’il Ibn Abidin, 1/84-85) --Concerned Citizen

CC, I'm too incredulous at this jaw-dropping imbecility to even reply.

Posted by: darcy at April 12, 2008 11:19 PM

Darcy,

Whenever you think you've reached bottom, there is always more. Islam, the gift that keeps giving.

Here's the link:
http://www.shariahprogram.ca/islam-qa-women/tampons-permissible-marriage.shtml

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 11:25 PM

A few months ago Yousuf al-Qaradari threatened the conquest of Rome., Italy and Europe.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/11/top-egyptian-cl.html

So when the Bishop of Rome baptizes a Muslim into Catholicism it is a "provacative and hostile act" to this guy?

You are whistling Dixie, Yousuf. Provoked? Just keep it up and you will learn a lesson or two.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at April 12, 2008 11:29 PM

we are proud to be one of them, cause we are satanic. we are christian slaughter...
Posted by: ZackyVengeance

No you are not Christian slaughter, but you are loony toons. You understand the infidel meaning of 'loony toons'?
Another Zak...Same name, same dopey message...Why aren't you out jihading somewhere? You can't get to Allah's Paradise hanging around here...

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