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"...the initial investigation found remnants of ammunition from a military exhibition that was held recently at the mosque." Of course. This sort of thing could happen anywhere. Why, just last week at the big ammunition exhibition at the local Baptist church, I was a bit concerned myself.
"Iran dismisses sabotage in mosque blast," by Nasser Karimi for Associated Press (thanks to D. C. Watson):
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iranian officials on Sunday ruled out an attack as the cause of an explosion that killed 11 people inside a mosque in the southern city of Shiraz.The explosion ripped through the mosque packed with hundreds of worshippers late Saturday as a cleric delivered his weekly speech against extremist Wahabi beliefs and the outlawed Bahai faith, the semiofficial Fars news agency said.
Authorities said besides the 11 killed, 191 people were wounded, some of them critically, the state IRNA news agency reported.
On Sunday, the deputy interior minister in charge of security, Abbas Mohataj, said the explosion was "the result of an incident." He didn't elaborate.
The police chief of the southern Fars Province, Gen. Ali Moayyedi, said he "rejects" the possibility of an intentional bombing and "any sort of insurgency" in the blast.
Moayyedi, in comments carried by state IRNA news agency, said the initial investigation found remnants of ammunition from a military exhibition that was held recently at the mosque.
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said Sunday that no group has claimed responsibility for the explosion.
Earlier, the Fars agency quoted a local police official as saying a homemade bomb had caused the explosion and indicated the attack could been religiously motivated. But the agency backed off those speculations on Sunday....
Posted by Robert at April 13, 2008 6:56 AM
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For those whose first language is not Arabic could you please translate Zak.
Posted by: western infidel![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at April 13, 2008 7:32 AM
western infidel:
I don't know if you're kidding or not, but that is Latin.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at April 13, 2008 7:37 AM
It means:
O God, Creator and Redeemer of all the faithful, grant unto the souls of Your servants remission of their sins, so that the pardon they have always desired they may obtain as a result of our pious supplications.
Then Zak seems to alter the last line, which should read, I think, Per Christum Dominum nostrum. In other words, he has changed it from "Through Christ our Lord" to "Through God our Lord," which makes it a prayer a Muslim could say.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at April 13, 2008 7:43 AM
Oh, and by the way, Zak, when you make a change like that, you need to watch the grammar. You should have written, "Per Deum Dominum nostrum," not "Per Deus Dominum nostrum."
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at April 13, 2008 7:45 AM
This goes to show what happens when you sleep through the Sermon on shaped charges.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 13, 2008 8:05 AM
yesterday there was military training accident, maybe this incident was a religious training accident...
Posted by: pulsar182 at April 13, 2008 8:06 AM
Zak is back only to be thwarted by Robert's most excellent counter-attack?
What about Zak's spelling of the word Amen as Ameen?
I'm no expert, but that doesn't look right.
Posted by: Aiken Bryce at April 13, 2008 8:07 AM
By the way, I thought Master zakariyyaazzam had been banned?
Posted by: Aiken Bryce at April 13, 2008 8:11 AM
Aiken Bryce:
You're quite right about Ameen, which is Arabic, but certainly isn't Latin. I hadn't noticed that.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at April 13, 2008 8:22 AM
Hey Zak,
Please excuse the following snarkiness. It's that I just can't help myself when you show up.
When you are busily enhancing your hyperkeratotic callosities, has it occurred to you that you might say the "Oremus" in Pig Latin?
Yes, it's true that Pig Latin is an English language game, but if it's not forbidden in the Qur'an, then I don't know why you can't also have some fun with it using actual Latin, that is, unless Allah doesn't appreciate this kind of humor. You tell me. I'm no Muslim.
BTW, did you know that the entire Bible (KJV) (including the corrupt parts!) has been translated into Pig Latin? Allow me to suggest that you do the same with the Qur'an, but you'll probably have to write an Arabic to Pig Latin dictionary first. I'd post a question at AskImam.com about this, to find out if it's kosher to translate the Qur'an into Pig Latin, but it would mean more if you did it, since I don't know any Arabic, and you are a Muslim and everything...
Posted by: Lex at April 13, 2008 8:45 AM
This official statement makes it clear that Iran is not just an Islamic Republic, but a dictatorship on the same level of other totalitarian regimes known to us from the last century.
Suppress anything which could in the slightest degree reflect badly on officials and the politics of that state; contradict earlier reports which might have been closer to the truth; suppress any information contradicting the official line - thats what we have got here.
Traces of ammunition found? From an earlier exhibition?
Blimey - not very safety conscious, are they?
And how large must those 'traces' have been to cause such an explosion?
Or is the mosque also used as an armoury?
First law of holes: if you're in one, stop digging ... Shame that officials of all kinds everywhere never seem to have heard of it.
Posted by: Calon Lan at April 13, 2008 9:43 AM
Kidding I was, Robert. I don't do Latin (English is difficult enough!) I found it curious that Zak was writing in Latin when it's obvious his cultural home is closer to the Arabian Peninsula than it is Rome. The message appeared personally addressed to you. I wondered what point he was trying to make.
Posted by: western infidel at April 13, 2008 10:42 AM
You mean it wasn't the Israelis (i.e., Jooooos) who did the dastardly deed?
Progress....
Posted by: Vee at April 13, 2008 10:56 AM
cleric delivered his weekly speech against extremist Wahabi beliefs and the outlawed Bahai faith - from the article
Talk about moral equivalence...
Posted by: MarisolJW at April 13, 2008 12:09 PM
I'm surprised the Iranians didn't blame Israel and the Mossad for the attack.
Now, I am off to church, where the good ladies are making coffee, not C4!
Keep up the good work Robert! I find it impressive that you've learned Latin.
Posted by: James Martel at April 13, 2008 12:09 PM
western infidel
zakariyyaazzam is an italian latinist with a us passport.
he studied under father carlo egger the renown,
former offical top vatican latinist.
he holds phd. in catholic theology from the
angelicum.
he is a deranged "ecumenical Jihad" preacher.
here sneaks into interfaith meetings and anti
islam-muslim meetings and tries to promote
violence and confuse people.
he is very well known in europe for his tactics.
I believe he met robert personally at a conference last month in rome.
Posted by: ludusdeantichristo at April 13, 2008 12:53 PM
Western Infidel:
Maybe he was trying to semaphore to me in some way, but if so, I missed the signal. I know a little Latin, but I am not a Roman Catholic, so he is barking up the wrong tree.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at April 13, 2008 12:57 PM
To whom it may concern:
You'll note that "ludusdeantichristo" ("game of antichrist") is the same person as "zakariyyaazzam." They have the same IP, demonstrating that here we have just another liar and provocateur, and just another banned one now, also.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at April 13, 2008 1:19 PM
"Why, just last week at the big ammunition exhibition at the local Baptist church, I was a bit concerned myself." -- Robert
BINGO!
Posted by: alexon at April 13, 2008 1:52 PM
Just typical. Much like the Ouija board. Whenever I ask a personality to make itself clear to me, multiple evil spirits show up.
It brings to mind an episode of Fawlty Towers where Dr Abbott turns to his wife and says "There's enough material there for an entire conference".
Posted by: western infidel at April 13, 2008 2:09 PM
"You'll note that "ludusdeantichristo" ("game of antichrist") is the same person as "zakariyyaazzam." They have the same IP, demonstrating that here we have just another liar and provocateur, and just another banned one now, also."
What a maroon - thinking that he could fall under Robert's radar. LOL!!
Posted by: champ at April 13, 2008 3:14 PM
Robert,
Thank you for the due diligence you exercise!
I wondered how "ludusdeantichristo" would know such intimate details about "zakariyyaazzam," that "deranged 'ecumenical Jihad' preacher."
How many other personalities are in there?
Now he is Zak the Banned.
"Alas, poor Zak, I knew him, Robert, a fellow
of infinite jest..." ~apologies to Bill
at April 13, 2008 4:09 PM
Talk about having an evil twin! Although, the other twin was evil too. I'm so confused!
Posted by: champ at April 13, 2008 5:03 PM
It's just a small point, but the sermon was about the banned Ba'hai religion.
I've met some Ba'hai from Iran, and they tell me chilling tales of oppression. We don't hear much about it in the West, but the Ba'hai are terribly persecuted in Iran; they are not allowed to enter college and their leaders are jailed and tortured.
Of course, the typical SUV-driving American could care less than his gas-guzzling vehicle is supporting this...but anyway...
I just wanted to bring that up; not very on target to this strange new item, but just something that the readers of JW might want to be aware of - not that they need any more proof of the oppressive nature of the Iranian regime.
Posted by: ReligionofPeas at April 13, 2008 7:22 PM
As I previously noted, the trolls native language is Arabic.
Posted by: pismopal at April 13, 2008 11:26 PM
The explosion ripped through the mosque packed with hundreds of worshippers late Saturday as a cleric delivered his weekly speech against extremist Wahabi beliefs and the outlawed Bahai faith, the semiofficial Fars news agency said.
....................................
The mosque blew up *during a speech against extremeism*? Wow, you just can't make this sh*t up.
Of course, it was a sermon against *Wahabi extremism*--you know, the Sunni kind of extremism, backed by rival Saudi Arabia. Shi'ite extremism, backed up by that huge and unstable cache of weaponry in the mosque basement, is clearly regarded as another matter entirely..
Oh, and don't forget the entirely peaceful, yet somehow stiff nefarious Bahai.
I feel sorry for the genuinely innocent people who were at the mosque yesterday. Those stockpiling munitions in what many would presume to be a peaceful place of worship certainly have rather less of my sympathy.
Posted by: gravenimage at April 13, 2008 11:47 PM
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