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Ahmadi Muslims engage in aggressive da'wah, but reject jihad warfare. Therefore, they are heretical.
"Indonesia to ban Ahmadiyya Muslim sect," from ABC Radio Australia (thanks to Twostellas):
Indonesia is drafting a decree that will ban a Muslim sect that has been branded heretical by most Muslims.The Ahmadiyya sect views itself as Muslim but it has been branded a heretical group by the Indonesian Ulema Council, the secular country's highest Muslim authority, which has issued a fatwa against it.
A team with officials from two government ministries and the attorney general's office has recommended the government ban the sect because its teachings deviate from the central tenets of Islam.
Freedom of Conscience Alert:
The team's deputy head Wisnu Subroto says the religious affairs ministry, the home affairs ministry and the attorney general's office are drafting a joint decree that will require Ahmadiyya followers to return to mainstream Islam....
Posted by Robert at April 18, 2008 10:17 AM
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Oh, no! Naseem, what about this?
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at April 18, 2008 11:24 AM
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 18, 2008 11:32 AM
Well, Barack?
Posted by: PMK at April 18, 2008 11:55 AM
So are they saying that the Ahmadi Muslims are way too peaceful to be a part of "mainstream Islam"?
at April 18, 2008 12:13 PM
Robert, tell the viewers at home what kind of treatment these fine fellas have won, now that a fatwa has been issued, decrying their beliefs as heretical ...
Posted by: Lori B. at April 18, 2008 12:13 PM
This is exactly why Islam will never reform itself. Reform is Anti-Islamic you see.
Posted by: Sounder at April 18, 2008 1:30 PM
Et tu, Barack Hussein?
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at April 18, 2008 1:40 PM
Ahmedis are strange people. They come from Pakistan to Canada and apply for refugee status as Non-Muslim. As soon as they get approved, they start calling themselves muslims and they start making anti-Christian statements. Funny, how they bite the hand that feeds them.
Posted by: Crusader at April 18, 2008 2:27 PM
Another moderate Muslim country demonstrates what "moderate" means in Islam.
Posted by: walterc at April 18, 2008 3:25 PM
Posting filters.
Posted by: have_mercy at April 18, 2008 4:12 PM
The Ahmedia is virally anti-chri*tian sect. They chose to focus their wrath on the infid*ls and not on their Mus*im brethren who persecute them. They share the triumphant and supremacist views of the other sects. If they only serve to detract the attention of the wolves from the other defenseless non-mus*ims, then it is all the better for those vulnerable people. At the end of the day it says in the family and what at family!
Posted by: have_mercy at April 18, 2008 4:26 PM
When one belongs to that club you must be subject to it's rules and regulations...next case!
Posted by: pismopal at April 18, 2008 6:09 PM
"Indonesia is drafting a decree that will ban a Muslim sect that has been branded heretical by most Muslims. "
will they deport them or just kill them.?
Posted by: pulsar182 at April 18, 2008 6:25 PM
Where is our "Love for all" Kooky?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 18, 2008 8:06 PM
O, Khokar!
Posted by: John C at April 18, 2008 9:07 PM
The Ahmadis are Islamo-heretics, because they forego the terroristic violence demanded by the pedophile "prophet" Mohammad.
Try Taoism, Ahmadis.
At worst, you get poetry and rice wine.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 18, 2008 9:09 PM
Comparing the Ahmadiyah and the Hizbut Tahrir
the Ahmadiyah websites proclaim their motto “Love for all, hatred for none” and do not aim to overthrow any government or form any State whatsoever.
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In Indonesia, the MUI organization of clerics has called for the Ahmadiyah to be banned, and several Islamic organizations have viciously attacked and closed down Ahmadiyah mosques. The Indonesian chapter of the HT [Hizb ut Tahrir ], in contrast, enjoys tacit support from some ministers and overt support from hard organizations.
One might be tempted to ask, if Ahmadiyah preaches love for all and hatred for no one, and HT preaches hatred for democracy and calls for the overthrow of existing States, why is it that in Indonesia, the establishment is more worried about Ahmadiyah than it is concerned about the anti-democracy ideology of the HT? Why are there cabinet ministers who overtly and tacitly support the anti-democracy, theocratic, ideology that aims to overthrow the State to replace it with their version of a Caliphate?
at April 18, 2008 9:10 PM
I might be mistaken, but I believe I was present at a thread where Khokar got the axe.
He had no interest in dialogue. He was here to preach...
I said he should get a job with Hallmark writin' cards. Just what they need there. Purty words. No substance.
I did like his tag line though...
Bullshit to all, contempt for everyone...or something like that.
We finally see some Muslims who want to make their religion a religion of peace, and they get their asses kicked for living up to Islams new motto.
the religion of peace....Taquiya anyone?
How freakin' stupid can they get?
I guess it doesn't matter how stupid and blatant their actions are, as long as the free world can't see what's happening right in front of them.
at April 19, 2008 5:37 AM
There is no reason in Islam. This is a perfect example of that. The pope mentions reason a lot, and this is what he means. Terrible.
Posted by: Bingo at April 19, 2008 5:59 AM
"They share the triumphant and supremacist views of the other sects."
Well, in some sense. They do believe that their Islam, properly reformed by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, is the one God has chosen as the best path for today. And they believe Christianity is false, as mainstream Muslims do. Ghulam Ahmad engaged in lots of anti-Christian polemic. But they do not mistreat, or seek to mistreat, non-Muslims. And many of them are active in sincere (not feigned) outreach efforts and dialogues with non-Muslims, including Hindus, Buddhists and others that mainstream Muslims despise. On the whole, their Islam is not a threat to us. It does not involve a plan for conquest and takeover of our societies, or see us as unequal. In my experience, the Ahmadiyya live up to their stated universalism and love-for-all, even as they are conservative Muslims in other respects.
They do, however, tend to feel a certain fear and sense of tribal piety that inhibits them from being able to speak out forcefully against the elements of Islam that we're fighting, both because they're scared of the orthodox Muslims and because it would tread too harshly on their own sensibilities. After all, they do revere Muhammad, and they believe in his prophethood and have no love for the Western critics of Islam. I own a lot of Ahmadi reference material; the siras they have offered look nothing remotely like the real sira to be found in the texts of Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham; their Muhammad is more the peacemaker that Karen Armstrong envisions. If the Ahmadi view of Muhammad were the same one shared by all Muslims, there would be less of a problem.
The Ismailis, a branch of the Shia, are in a similar circumstance. They are authentic universalists and function, in my experience, less as a segment of the Ummah than as a panentheistic, esoteric order, with no emphasis at all on any of the problematic elements of scripture, no belief in any imperative to mistreat anybody, and no interest in war on non-Muslims whatsoever.
I like these two sects of Islam.
at April 20, 2008 1:23 AM
I am surprised to see these comments...
Why All 72 Sects in Islam are against one minotiy Ahmadi Muslim Sect in Islam???? One who is always been targeted by others and they keep attacking them, but they the levels are patients are amazing....
That's what OurBeloved Holy Prophet PBUH said, "in later days there will be one Jamaat who follows my path, the right path and whole world will be against them. But no one can harm them or destroy them."....
Do All Muslim nation think that by making one statment you can change the reality and WILL of Allah??? I think not!
I am an Ahmadi Muslim, and I would only say one verse from the Holy Quran (as I believe in it), "THERE IS NO COMPLUSION IN RELEGION", then what is the problem with the nation???
Posted by: S salim at April 20, 2008 3:42 PM
"I am an Ahmadi Muslim, and I would only say one verse from the Holy Quran (as I believe in it), 'THERE IS NO COMPLUSION IN RELEGION', then what is the problem with the nation???
Posted by: S salim
You won't get any disagreement on this point from most people in this forum. Most of us just wish the rest of your coreligionists took this command as seriously as you indicate you do. On this score your problem isn't with us, it's with the other sects of Islam.
Posted by: Eastview at April 20, 2008 9:51 PM
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