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Longtime readers of Jihad Watch will know that Islamic spokesmen in the West routinely claim that non-Muslims are only suspicious of Muslim intentions out of "ignorance" of the true, peaceful Islam. This, of course, goes hand-in-hand with the idea that it is not Muslims, but non-Muslims (like Geert Wilders in Fitna), who are responsible for linking Islam with violence. This approach deftly shifts the focus away from acts of violence committed by Muslims in the name of Islam, and onto the alleged "Islamophobes" who are supposedly victimizing Muslims by connecting Islam with violence.
Anyway, today in The Ranger Online, a publication of San Antonio College and Alamo Community College, there is an article entitled "Islam teaches respect for women" by Martin R. Herrera. It reports on a lecture series held on women in the Islamic world.
Meneses and the other two women on the panel, Aurora Deiri and Narjis Pierre, acknowledged conditions for women vary from country to country but they stem largely from the culture that existed prior to Islam's spread throughout the world and the nuances of varied interpretations of the theology.Deiri likened it to the subtleties of the many Christian faiths that exist today.
Except for extreme instances of disparity, which Meneses said is becoming more rare, Islam has pushed women's rights sooner and more significantly than Christianity. "If you ask me if there is any feminism in the Muslim world I say ... it is in the Muslim world," Pierre said.
It is difficult for the Western world to see this, Deiri said, because there is very limited understanding of the Islamic religion.
This ignorance causes people to misinterpret some of the external practices of Muslims that Westerners often cite as oppressive, she said, such as the wearing of head scarves by women.
When asked how Christianity and Islam can be so far apart today when they have so much they share in common ancestry, Deiri replied, "In some instances, ignorance allows you to retain power."
So any oppression of women in the Islamic world is simply a remnant of pre-Islamic culture, and Islam has been better for women than Christianity. It is doubtful that Deiri mentioned any of this:
Rather than regarding women as human beings equal to men, the Qur'an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: "Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will" (2:223).
The Qur'an also declares that a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man: "Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her" (2:282).
It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice" (4:3).
It rules that a son's inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: "Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (4:11).
Worst of all, the Qur’an tells husbands to beat their disobedient wives: "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them" (4:34).
It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures “shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” (65:4).
None of that is cultural. Nor is reporting on it, or on how women still suffer from these and other Islamic teachings, a matter of "ignorance." In fact, paradoxically enough, it is Deiri and others like her who are spreading genuine ignorance by ignoring, denying, and downplaying all this. And indeed, ignorance allows you to retain power -- in light of that precise and apposite statement, it is important to ask: to what end is Deiri retailing these half-truths and distortions? What power are people who do this trying to retain?
Posted by Robert at April 18, 2008 11:09 AM
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The social status of women in pre-Islamic Arabia, while not universally wonderful (as it was not wonderful anywhere in the world at the time) was considerably higher than in the post-Islamic world. Pre-Islamic Arab women ruled as queens, fought as generals, and were hailed as literary giants.
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at April 18, 2008 11:58 AM
Deiri's statement is true, ignorance does allow for the retention of power. In truth hers was not a projective statement but rather an introspective one.
The continued ignorance of non-muslims and the West in general, to Islam, allows for patently false claims, like those of Ms. Deiri, to continue to be put forth as Islamic propaganda.
Posted by: awake at April 18, 2008 12:01 PM
What Deiri (and other Islamic apologists) count on is that their audience has NOT read the Qur'an. Furthermore this audience does not know that to suggest any changes in the Qur'an is considered heresy and that the sentence for such suggestions is death.
Instead, the audience is encouraged to believe that Islam is like other religions in that the Qur'an can be interpreted and that there are "moderate" or even "liberal" Moslems. These Moslems do exist - and can be located in a nearby grave.
What Deiri suggests is laughable, except when you consider his "taquiyya" (lying is permissible in the cause of Islam) is sanctioned by the prophet Mohammed and the Qur'an.
Read the Qur'an.
Posted by: tanstaafl at April 18, 2008 12:06 PM
"Islam teaches respect for women"
Back when I was in college (1968-1972), some idiots were going all over the campus and telling any fellow students who would listen how much Islam respects women. These dhimmis didn't make any headway whatsoever. We laughed in their faces and continued on with real life.
But now that kind of crap is spouted from the professors themselves.
How is this generation going to survive the onslaught of taqiyya? Some days, I feel very hopeless about the future.
Posted by: Always On Watch at April 18, 2008 12:12 PM
I'd like to see what the other articles in the series say.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 18, 2008 12:14 PM
Notice Mohammad said marry two, three or four. Only take one wife or a slave if you can't handle more. Polygamy is therefore considered the default position.
Some Muslims argue polygamy is more natural, saying men lust for more than one wife, or that animals do it, why not us (my words, not mullah euphemisms)? That's somewhat logical, but then you have to ask yourself, are we just animals? Why are there nearly exactly 50% women and 50% in the human population? Wouldn't there be something like 80% women to 20% men if we were meant to have, say, four wives? Why did Mohammad have 16 wives? For just a messenger, he sure elevated himself up there with "Allah", even more so, de facto, than Jesus.
Finally, it is in the Koran that Mohammad had coitus with 9-year-old wife, Aisha. Actually, that is based on the Islamic "year," which is 11 days shorter than a year. Therefore, she was about 99 days (9x11) short of 9 years old; she was 8. The mullahs claim that it is menstration that determines when a female is "ready." Again, they are basing human actions on the animal world. It is unlikely Aisha was mentrating at 8, as this occurs in only about one in 5000 girls, but what if she were even younger, which has been documented? Then is it okay for a 52 year old male to mount her?
www.bravenewsworld.blogspot.com
Posted by: Max Publius at April 18, 2008 12:28 PM
Correction. It is in one of the core Hadith collections that mentions Aisha as being nine when Mohammad took her virginity.
Posted by: Max Publius at April 18, 2008 12:38 PM
Read "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the truth about women and Islam. It will verify everything Robert and Hugh discuss on this website.
Posted by: OolongChung at April 18, 2008 12:39 PM
It is difficult for the Western world to see this, Deiri said,
Could it be the beatings for being gang raped (Saudi Arabia), honor killings for being raped by an uncle (Gaza) or dating outside of islam (Texas & Canada), or the hangings for being raped by a cab driver(Iran), that are clouding our ability to see the truth?
She's right that ignorance is power, but not the way she thinks.
Posted by: walterc at April 18, 2008 1:30 PM
Every criticism of Islam's treatment of women is always rebutted with "it's not Islam, it's the culture." Well, why are these "cultural" misogynies so persistent only in Islamic areas? Why are such practices so similar even between peoples that are geographically separated and distinct in virtually every other way except the profession of Islam?
When a Muslim apologist calls Islam "feminist," and claims it provides "equality," you have to remember that you've entered the Looking Glass world where words don't mean what you think they mean. "Equality," to a Muslim, means that women have a set of defined and restricted roles that are "equal" in lip service to men's. As Dr. Kevin Giles put it, "women have the 'role' of obeying men, and men have the 'role' of leading and commanding. No other roles are explicated." I find it difficult to believe that Muslims do not know full well that they are misleading others when they use the word "equality" to audiences who have a very different perception of the concept.
And as always, the tiresome "we were first" argument. I've always wondered -- if women were unable to own and direct the use of property before Islam, how was it that Khadijah was a prosperous trader able to support a much younger and previously destitute husband like Mohammed?
at April 18, 2008 1:32 PM
The zombie women who are part of the cult in the desert act and dress as out of fashion as Muslim women here in America. I work for a department store in a mall and let me tell you, those women treat me, a lowly sales associate, like I am nothing. They haggle over prices! (Is this the lowest price you can give me?) They leave their clothes inside out in piles in the dressing room floor. (I'm the servant) Talk loudly demanding my attention even though I'm working with another customer. (I ignore them) Their immams should tell their husbands how they need to act while living in America.
Posted by: 4catsunderthemoon at April 18, 2008 1:55 PM
Errant nonsense that is demonstrably false. Where but in muslim societies are women stoned to death in the 21st Century? It cracks me up that after 1400 years, muslims can, with a straight face, blame anything on "culture that existed prior to Islam's spread.." Dr. Goebels is smiling in Hell over a lie like this.
Posted by: MP at April 18, 2008 2:00 PM
What Deiri (and other Islamic apologists) count on is that their audience has NOT read the Qur'an. Furthermore this audience does not know that to suggest any changes in the Qur'an is considered heresy and that the sentence for such suggestions is death.
Posted by: tanstaafl
But we have read the Hadiths and Koran, so we who know cannot be snowballed by their propaganda anymore. In fact, it would take an idiot to believe women under Islam are better off than the freedoms offered to women in the West. There is no liberal or moderate Islam anywhere, nor can it ever be and still be Islam.
The ‘respect’ offered to Muslim women is nothing other than obedience to their males. There is no way to turn this around into any kind of human rights, anymore than slaves can be called ‘free’. It takes an idiotic unreasoning Muslim to see it otherwise. But we know this is true, after 1400 years of dehumanized brainwashing, they actually believe their own lies. The cult of Islam is unforgiving to those who think, who reason, who dare to question all their other tenets abusing women, even child rape, even for the women to think themselves. The penalty is stoning, 'honor' killings, or just a good old fashioned wife beating (4:34). Why would any Muslim woman desire this is beyond human comprehension. If they believe this nonsense, they're idiots.
at April 18, 2008 2:15 PM
I admit this remark may be bordering on the prejudiced, but I can only be perfect some of the time: there is something particularly chilling about the image of Muslim women, swathed up in the symbol of their own subjection as if they just can't get enough of it, and when they are heard from like this, denying the patently obvious to the detriment and disadvantage of their own sex, the blood of a feeling person does not run warm.
Of all the depressing images of the human mind completely engulfed by a belief system that discourages free or critical thought to the point of making it virtually impossible: screaming imams, university students with pipe bombs, "rage boys", children on Saudi television ("Are you familiar with the Jews?") - I think this has to be the (how shall I put it?) the least hopeful.
Posted by: Novalis at April 18, 2008 2:48 PM
As usual with apologists, they are full of crap!
Posted by: credit man at April 18, 2008 2:56 PM
Who cares about all this obfuscation..? They obviously don't get along with us and that is a fact.
So why shouldn't they STAY at home and WE stay at our home?
Sometimes separation is good.
For all parties involved.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at April 18, 2008 3:01 PM
Ahhh. I've been enlightened! Up is down. Dark is light. Slavery is freedom.
It all goes right along with them loving death as we love life.
Makes perfect sense...in Supermans Bizzaro world maybe...
at April 18, 2008 3:04 PM
I truly amazes me on a daily basis the utter stupidity of our left. But, but... it seems it is only a matter of semantics. If we call rape, beating, killing, etc all "women's rights' then I guess it is ok. yes, I am being sarcastic, but I also know that this is what is happening - now we call muslim "women's rights" 'honor killings' so then the muslims can start doing that without fear of being treated as the murdering scumbuckets they are. I would say this is just some more 'creeping sharia'.
Posted by: R_not at April 18, 2008 3:12 PM
Except for extreme instances of disparity, which Meneses said is becoming more rare, Islam has pushed women's rights sooner and more significantly than Christianity. "If you ask me if there is any feminism in the Muslim world I say ... it is in the Muslim world," Pierre said.
Uh-hu...
It is difficult for the Western world to see this, Deiri said, because there is very limited understanding of the Islamic religion.
Uh-hu...
This ignorance causes people to misinterpret some of the external practices of Muslims that Westerners often cite as oppressive, she said, such as the wearing of head scarves by women.
Hmm...
As Jack Nicholson's character in As Good as It Gets:
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Someplace else indeed, cause we ain't buying it here.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at April 18, 2008 3:35 PM
As Jack Nicholson's character in As Good as It Gets
should have been
As Jack Nicholson's character said in As Good as It Gets
but, you get the drift.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at April 18, 2008 3:44 PM
Meneses and the other two women on the panel, Aurora Deiri and Narjis Pierre, acknowledged conditions for women vary from country to country but they stem largely from the culture that existed prior to Islam's spread throughout the world and the nuances of varied interpretations of the theology.
So, oppression of women in Islamic countries comes from the cultures of their pre-Islamic pasts. That explains why the countries that have the longest associations with Islam (like, you know, Saudi Arabia) have the world's best records on women's rights.
at April 18, 2008 4:04 PM
In connection with this taqiyya article about Islamic women, read this taqiyya article about Islamic women:
Posted by: darcy at April 18, 2008 5:47 PM
Ongoing lies and deception and da'awa.
Yusuf Irfan & Yussuf Islam aka 'Cat Stevens'
One claims Muslim-Arabs invented the guitar and the other blames Hindu’s and Buddhists for clitoridectomy in Indonesia:
Irfan Yusuf in his blog (Supplication without hijab. Jan.) claimed clitoridectomy is a pre-Islamic Indonesian custom:
“Perhaps our imams can remind Indonesian imams that not all vestiges of Indonesia’s indigenous pre-Islamic customs are worth holding onto.”
Yusuf, you are the slime!
..and Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens (Feb) claimed Islam doesn’t ban playing musical instruments and was peaceful—HA,HA. Both are lying! Is the problem their name or their religion? Surely Islam doesn’t support lying to promote Islam…well, YES IT DOES! No doubt both earned ‘allah’ points, another virgin perhaps???
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Irfan Yusuf (Muslim commentator, writer eg al-Age): Irfan’s attempt to blame ancient Indonesian culture for clitoridectomy is grossly offensive to the initial Buddhists, Hindus and others and shows his great ignorance of Islam!
Sherene Hassan (Heraldsun 20/6/07), Hanifa Deen (Age 30/5/07 p3 and Age, p 15 1/6/07) etc have already pushed the ‘clitoridectomy’ is an African problem, nothing to do with Islam lie! In Islam, clitoridectomy is supported by Mohammad in ahadith and Islamic laws (religious basis) and spreads worldwide with Islam–will we blame the natives of every country? Although not part of Christian teaching , a lower % of Christians (many Muslim converts) and some Animists in areas of Africa under Islamic control for 1300-1400 years with Islamic culture forced onto them also practice it (cultural basis). Our ‘western’ Muslims (and the PC people) are happy to slander others but lack the moral courage to face Islamic text, laws and practices!!!!
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/13/liars-corner/
at April 18, 2008 6:31 PM
This ignorance causes people to misinterpret some of the external practices of Muslims that Westerners often cite as oppressive, she said, such as the wearing of head scarves by women.
Women wearing the head scarf is not oppressive; men forcing women to wear the head scarf, or the tent, or forcing them to get permission from their husband for everything, that is what is oppressive.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 18, 2008 6:53 PM
In connection with this taqiyya article about Islamic women, read this taqiyya article about Islamic women:
Posted by: darcy at April 18, 2008 5:47 PM
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Here are some excerpts from the above-referenced article:
Asqa Parvez was an average 16-year-old girl living in Mississauga, Canada when she was killed by her father Dec. 10, 2007, for refusing to wear the hijab, or head scarf.
And her death was extremely unfortunate and inexcusable.
Many of the reports that came out the days after her murder made the dangerous mistake of associating honor killings with Islam.
Why is it dangerous to associate "honor" killings with islam? I think it's dangerous not to associate them with islam.
...
Since pre-marital sex is a big sin in Islam, and the punishment for it is also big. But, Allah wants to protect the honor of the woman and has made it extremely difficult for someone to accuse a woman of immoral behavior.
In the Quran, Allah tells those who want to accuse a woman of illegal sexual intercourse to produce four witnesses to the crime - something almost impossible.
Therefore, honor killings clearly contradict Islamic teachings.
Sorry, Dhimmi Shirien, you haven't convinced me, because all one has to do is to look to the islamic world, and one will see these horrible practices happening.
If you want to know about islam, look where the muslims are the majority. You'll find out all you need to know.
Here's her email address, in case anyone wants to correspond with her. Good luck in getting through.
Shirien Elmasraya -- selmasraya@lsureveille.com
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 18, 2008 7:02 PM
"In some instances, ignorance allows you to retain power"
in other instances (as in Muslim controlled lands) power allows you to maintain the ignorance.
Posted by: pulsar182 at April 18, 2008 7:51 PM
"...but they stem largely from the culture that existed prior to Islam's spread throughout the world and thenuances of varied interpretations of the theology.
Nuances, schmuances. Taken at face value, the ayats that Robert cites are as plain as day OPPRESSIVE to women. That these "apologist" women don't or can't acknowledge this is yet another confirmation that Islam induces brain death.
The only place where Muslim women can truly claim equality with Muslim men is in the matter of apostasizing from the faith. Theoretically, they should each be killed. Of course, the man can always use the defense that a woman seduced him. (It's the hair; it emits seductive rays) but what can she say in her defense?
Robert asks, "to what end is Deiri retailing these half-truths and distortions?" I could suppose that the end she has in mind is not being killed by someone who would object to her telling the unvarnished, Qur'anic truth, someone like her husband, but the answer is more than likely her refusal to live in a world that isn't governed by the half-truths and distortions that have gotten her to where she is today.
Posted by: Lex at April 18, 2008 8:00 PM
Islam must be the worst educator in history, up to 1400 years coaching in the Muslim world and still no one there got the message about woman equality in Islam.
Posted by: Engelbrekt at April 18, 2008 8:40 PM
I guess they think this is a form of sumbliminal brainwashing & everyone will believe them!!!!
at April 18, 2008 8:51 PM
Half wits.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 18, 2008 8:55 PM
this is typical of Muslim ignorance:
"ISLAMIC HOLY NAMES
And now for a bit of insensitivity ... A fatwa has been issued in Dubai to immediately ban the printing of names on labels of sample bottles. Are you with me here? This means that if your name is Mohammed and you go to the doctor for a checkup, the doctor can't ask you to pee in the cup and put your name on the label. These are the little bottles provided at hospitals and laboratories. And why are they so concerned about names on these medical bottles? Because the Dubai Islamic Affairs Department does not want the 99 names of the Almighty God printed on a bottle containing urine or stool samples. This is offensive to Islam because it desecrates the glorious names of God.
Blowing your ass up in the middle of a group of women and children isn't offensive to Islam. "
Posted by: pulsar182
at April 18, 2008 9:21 PM
Islam is just so... so Orwellian!
Right? Posted by: John CWar Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength
at April 18, 2008 9:52 PM
Ayaan Hirsi Ali will be a guest tonight on HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher. (gulp)
Posted by: skevin at April 18, 2008 9:54 PM
the Dubai Islamic Affairs Department does not want the 99 names of the Almighty God printed on a bottle containing urine or stool samples. This is offensive to Islam because it desecrates the glorious names of God.
by pulsar182
These people are crazy! Those urine samples were ordained by allah when he created man, right?
But there IS a simple solution: let them stop going to the doctor! Let allah provide their medical care. Let them pray in the mosque and ask allah to cure them. They don't need outsiders interfering with allah's wishes.
Another solution: give your children a name other than one of the 99 holy names. That way their name can appear on the label without violating the fatwa.
Hey, since when is mohammed a name of almighty God? I thought his name was allah.
Posted by: PMK at April 18, 2008 10:04 PM
Half wits...
Posted by: profitsbeard
No, no, no... that's just the "womens". The men are full "no wits".
Yes Is no
War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength
Madness, X2!
at April 18, 2008 10:46 PM
They tell the women it is "respect", but it is an excuse to keep them bagged and tagged.
Men so afraid of being cuckold that they have to hide their women.
at April 18, 2008 11:42 PM
Islam elevates women.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/hang4a.jpg
at April 18, 2008 11:46 PM
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 32 (also 30, 31): Narrated Sahl bin Sad:
Allah's Apostle said, "If at all there is bad omen, it is in the horse, the woman, and the house."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:
Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."
Ishaq, p. 186.
(From his vision of hell, the apostle said) "Then I saw women hanging by their breasts. These were those who had fathered bastards on their husbands."
Ishaq, p. 496. [Regarding finding fault with Aisha] “As for Ali, he said: “Women are plentiful and you can easily change one for another. Ask the slave girl, for she will tell you the truth.” So the apostle called Burayra to ask her, and Ali got up and gave her a violent beating, saying, “Tell the apostle the truth” …”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 731:
Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid: The Prophet said, "If a slave-girl (Ama) commits illegal sexual intercourse, scourge her; if she does it again, scourge her again; if she repeats it, scourge her again." The narrator added that on the third or the fourth offence, the Prophet said, "Sell her even for a hair rope."
--Muhammad’s companions rip a woman in half using camels: Zayd/Zaid raided Umm Qirfah. --Umm Qirfah was an elderly lady who was the leader of the tribe. --She was killed very cruelly by having each leg tied to a camel. al-Tabari vol.8 p.95-96. (This is from an online index of Tabari)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 219:
Narrated Abu Bakra:
During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."
"Had I ordered anybody to prostrate before any one, I would have ordered women to prostrate before their husbands on account of men's rights over the women ordained by Allah." (Mishkat al-Masabih, English translation, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 70. Reported by Abu Dawood, Ahmad, Tirmizi, Ibn Magah and Ibn Haban)
Ayesha said “I have not seen anyone suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” Sahih Bukhari. volume 7, book 72, number 715. {Note: The “green” adjective is in reference to the bruising from the beating}.
“…He [Mohammad] struck me [Aisha] on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” Sahih Muslim, book 4, no. 2127.
Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3240:
Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them: The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
"Chapter 29: IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE" (ref. here).
"Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3432 (also 3433, 3434):
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."
Quran, 4:24 “Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property, - desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise.”
(also see Quran 70:29-30, 23:1-6).
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3371 (3371-3388):
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."
Malik’s Muwatta, Book 30, Number 30.2.13:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, "A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I was with him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, 'A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, 'I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!' Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young.' "
Malik’s Muwatta, Book 29, Number 29.32.100:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, "Tell them." She was embarrassed. He said, "It is alright, and I do it myself." Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practising coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else's slave-girl as a wife, does not practise coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission."
Malik’s Muwatta, Book 2, Number 2.23.90:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that the slave girls of Abdullah ibn Umar used to wash his feet and bring him a mat of palm leaves while they were menstruating.
Malik was asked whether a man who had women and slave girls could have intercourse with all of them before he did ghusl. He said, "There is no harm in a man having intercourse with two of his slave girls before he does ghusl. It is disapproved of, however, to go to a freewoman on another's day. There is no harm in making love first to one slave girl and then to another when one is junub."
Malik was asked about a man who was junub and water was put down for him to do ghusl with. Then he forgot and put his finger into it to find out whether it was hot or cold. Malik said, "If no filth has soiled his fingers, I do not consider that that makes the water impure."
The historian Tabari quotes one jihadist's declaration (Tabari IX:25): "By Allah, I did not come to Fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."
Ibn Kathir on Quran 4:34
Dealing with the Wife's Ill-Conduct
http://www.theholybook.org/index.php/content/view/6812/2/
at April 19, 2008 7:06 AM
"In some instances, ignorance allows you to retain power"
I thought for a moment there this story was going to be about Bush...
Posted by: Eastview at April 20, 2008 9:31 PM
Like the battered and abused women who say "I deserved it (the beating)" or "I made him do it..." Many abused women are the first to defend the abusers most of the times out of fear of further abuses when the abuser has the opportunity.
Muslim women are like those abused women who fear further abuse later if they say anything against Islam. Have you noticed how quickly Muslim women tend to defend Islam and the Islam's abuse of women? Muslim women are damned if they do and more damned if they don't defend Islam abuse of women.
Muslim women were born to be abused by Muslim men. They are doomed the day they are born.
Posted by: Lebanese at April 21, 2008 9:59 AM
Wow, the level of dhimmidiotness and dhimmiocracy is astounding...
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe thinks
take all girls out of school
they can not be allowed
to achieve more than a man
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don't beat your wives too hard
just enough so they behave
but first kick them out of bed
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don't honor your mother
help your father keep her down
bring her shopping take her home
haltterrorism.com
:)
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at April 24, 2008 5:39 PM
"Muslim women were born to be abused by Muslim men. They are doomed the day they are born."
Posted by: Lebanese April 21, 2008 9:59 AM
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Take a look at these articles about the "Arab Mind" on the Shrinkwrapped blog:
http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/the_arab_mind/index.html
She/he makes it almost understandable how/why both males and females of this culture are so warped.
at April 24, 2008 8:32 PM
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