"...secondly it was in retaliation to the Dutch insult to our great prophet Mohammed," Ahmadi said."

Good Grief. You misguided souls. Mohammed is not a prophet, and he certainly wasn't great - he was evil. And his evil is still in operation today, just like there are those misguided souls who follow Hitler.

Rest in Peace, Dennis van Uhm, brave soldier on the side of Right. Murdered by Barbarians.

Posted by: darcy at April 18, 2008 5:37 PM

It was no such thing. It was just a lucky hit on their part. Islam is consistent though, I'll give them that. Liars.

Posted by: Sounder at April 18, 2008 5:37 PM

General van Uhm will certainly now see the error of his ways... invincibly ignorant animals.

Posted by: pismopal at April 18, 2008 6:03 PM

'because they occupied our country'.....?? Ahmadi is not from Afghanistan, so who invited him the the country and he is no differant than any other occupier.

I feel so sorry for Muhammed that something like a cartoon or a video shakes the foundation of his religion. A religion that is so fragile to not be able to stand the tests of accusal, accountability, critisism.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at April 18, 2008 6:10 PM

If he did in fact know who was in the vehicle before it was attacked, how did he know this? Does the dhimmi Dutch government have Muslim traitors in its midst? Will they investigate the truth of his claims or will they bow down in fear?

Posted by: aynrandgirl at April 18, 2008 6:15 PM

These sadistic asswipes make it up as they go along. They had no clue who they were blowing up. They just love to play with bombs.

Rest in Peace, Lt. van Uhm.

Posted by: Infidel33 at April 18, 2008 6:16 PM

I still don't understand the moslem uprising against Fitna.

The entire piece only quotes the "holy" koran and depicts the preachers of the islam disseminating the words of the "holy" koran to the faithful.

Are they protesting against their own prophet?
Teachings?

Or are they just angry that the dhimmi-pop (a/k/a non-moslem population of the Earth) are now versed in the teachings of the 'holy' koran?

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at April 18, 2008 6:23 PM

P.S. It was a lucky hit for the islamists.

Sincere condolences to the family of the slain soldier, and wishes of peace as you deal with this terrible loss. May this boy's name be written amongst the 10,783 other victims of islamic violence counted since 9/11.

Has anyone tracked or counted the islamic violence attacks/kills pre-9/11? Should we call Billary Clinton for a more accurate account?

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at April 18, 2008 6:28 PM

Slimy. Opportunistic. Malignant. Parasitic.

Just a few words which come to mind when observing such servile tactics. Muslims employ the tactics of beastly thieves, psychotic maniacs, and the lowest human vermin.

Posted by: jsla at April 18, 2008 6:42 PM

"We knew that the son of Dutch chief of staff was in the vehicle," rebel spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP, changing his account from an earlier statement that the militant group did not know who was in the car.

Has to be the truth; no matter what muslims say or do, no matter how outrageous, they are right and we are wrong.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 18, 2008 6:47 PM

I do not believe these thoroughly odious people one iota.

We see things like this time and time again when the islamic terrorists murder people indiscriminately.

They find out who they have murdered through the internet and then claim it was some sort of precise well planned and targeted murder.

In other words more lies from these amoral hypocrites.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at April 18, 2008 6:48 PM

"We knew that the son of Dutch chief of staff was in the vehicle," rebel spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP, changing his account from an earlier statement that the militant group did not know who was in the car."

Lying is as natural to Muslims as breathing.

Posted by: scribe10 at April 18, 2008 7:12 PM

Lying is as natural to Muslims as breathing.

OR KILLING!

Posted by: scribe10 at April 18, 2008 7:13 PM

"Ahmadi's claim could not be independently confirmed and the rebel spokesman has in the past made exaggerated claims...."

The liar lies. How Mohammadan of him. Is anyone REALLY surprised?

Posted by: Lex at April 18, 2008 7:20 PM

""We knew that the son of Dutch chief of staff was in the vehicle," rebel spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP"

I believe him.

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 18, 2008 7:49 PM

Pulsar182 doesn't know what s/he is talking about. However, any steps taken to rid the world of these lice would be long overdue. Highly unlikely, but perhaps the Dutch will come to understand that if they do not protect themselves from this ilk, no one else is likely to do it for them.

Posted by: spinoneone at April 18, 2008 8:29 PM

My deepest sympathy to the family...
Fortunately after reading the Telegraaf (actually my husband translated it for me) the people are not blaming Wilders, But I am sure the Government in their infinite wisdom will try to charge Wilders with something.

Posted by: Ladywolfusa at April 18, 2008 8:33 PM

This will be the fate of every Dutchman and Dutchwoman until militant, imperialistic Islam is crushed.

And every infidel.

The Koran told me so.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 18, 2008 8:52 PM

The day will come when dingle-berry rebel spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi and his ilk will read how the American flag has been placed upon the surface sphere of the planet Mars. And by that time someone will have the courage to proclaim the entire sphere of the Martian surface is a possession and territory of the United States (and everyone else in the West owns it too I suppose:~)

With the entire surface sphere of the Moon already in our pocket, and the Moon is where no Islamist will ever tread or bow down in prayer, Mars will soon be ours, and next on the list is the Saturnian satellite Titan. Yahoo!

That's what I said: NO ISLAMISTS ALLOWED. GET OUT! and STAY OUT!!

Humiliate these oafs. Publicly, incessantly, totally embarrass their dumb butt-brains. Fitna didn't.

Posted by: k24anson at April 18, 2008 9:48 PM

This is the collectivized mind in action.

And the collectivized mind is what underlies racism, tribalism, various sorts of political chauvinism, etc... and ties them together.

The murderer sees someone who comes from the same country as another person who he thinks has been disrespectful to someone in his own group, and murders him.

No individuals involved in his thinking at all. My gang vs your gang. That's it.

The whole house of war vs house of islam or whatever the hell they call it, it one of the most popular and virulent forms of collectivism on the planet today, and lamentably sacralized in the mohammedan "holy" books.

I suspect that mere racism in its common forms is a less destructive element in human affairs.

Posted by: joeblough at April 18, 2008 10:17 PM

I see there isn't a single post here about the Reuters reporter who was murdered by the IDF. It's expected from you haters though. As a practicing jew I would not step foot on Isreali ground until everyone one of you evil bastards are brought to justice. Thank god the world is finally beginning to see the truth, and it's just a matter of time before the world community comes down on Israel's leaders like a heavy hammer. God is with the people of Gaza, they will be rewarded in the afterlife for their patience and suffering. You make me embarassed to say I'm a jew you haters. Killing members of the press and calling it an accident is the height of arrogance and hatred. I saw the tape and heard the reports. There was press and TV plastered all over that car and the poor guy was holding a camera. There's no question about this, so please spare me your a$$anine excuses and opinions. Have you forgotten totally what our people the jewish people have gone through? You are worse than Hitler. When I think of the hateful jews of Israel, I think of flies on feces. The hateful jews are the flies and the soil of Israel is the feces. You turn my stomach. I pray for the people of Palestine and Gaza.

Posted by: asad at April 18, 2008 10:46 PM

asad, there are always casualties in a war zone. The pals have made the area a war zone and after they lob bombs into israel daily - what the heck do muslims expect?! Oh, I forget the muslim expects that the infidel should just lay down and take it and never retaliate because muslim's arrogance makes them think they are superior. I don't know why they should feel that since they haven't done one darn thing to make this world better.

The muslims wail the loudest and that is why they get the world's attention. One day the world will wake up and realize that the koran, islam and the muslims who follow it are the ilk that are the psychopaths starting the aggression. Why the world hasn't woken up yet beats the heck out of me. But, it will.

Posted by: R_not at April 18, 2008 10:54 PM

"The day will come when dingle-berry rebel spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi and his ilk will read how the American flag has been placed upon the surface sphere of the planet Mars. And by that time someone will have the courage to proclaim the entire sphere of the Martian surface is a possession and territory of the United States (and everyone else in the West owns it too I suppose:~)

With the entire surface sphere of the Moon already in our pocket, and the Moon is where no Islamist will ever tread or bow down in prayer, Mars will soon be ours, and next on the list is the Saturnian satellite Titan. Yahoo!

That's what I said: NO ISLAMISTS ALLOWED. GET OUT! and STAY OUT!!

Humiliate these oafs. Publicly, incessantly, totally embarrass their dumb butt-brains. Fitna didn't."

Well's it's quite obvious you're american. Only an american would have the stupidity to think it makes sense to spend billions perhaps trillions of US dollars to send a man to Mars, an icey rock millions of miles away, when people are starving and suffering all over this world and it's only getting worse. Please I hope they send you Mars, and yes claim it for America, we'll have a good laugh at your expense when you do, and please don't ever come back.

Posted by: asad at April 18, 2008 10:54 PM

"asad, there are always casualties in a war zone. The pals have made the area a war zone and after they lob bombs into israel daily - what the heck do muslims expect?! Oh, I forget the muslim expects that the infidel should just lay down and take it and never retaliate because muslim's arrogance makes them think they are superior. I don't know why they should feel that since they haven't done one darn thing to make this world better.

The muslims wail the loudest and that is why they get the world's attention. One day the world will wake up and realize that the koran, islam and the muslims who follow it are the ilk that are the psychopaths starting the aggression. Why the world hasn't woken up yet beats the heck out of me. But, it will."

R_not, I said spare it hater. Get a life, pick up a book. Your argument is tiresome and moronic. Count the dead? Do you know math? Any idiot that can count knows what your saying is pure hateful crap. God please, I pray you're not a jew.

Posted by: asad at April 18, 2008 11:01 PM

Was reading the artikel in "de Telegraaf" early this morning. I hope that Balkenende, will not use this, to attack Geert Wilders again. Then I was reading an article from "CodePinkalert" against the war in Iraq, I get so upset at these women to call our soldiers "terrorists".
If I would have been there, I don't know how I would have reacted, with my son being in the Middle East for the 3d time. How do you keep this separated, the war what is being fought in the Middle East and the uprising against Islam.The CodePinkladies might mean well, but don't seem to understand what they are up against, these fanatic Muslims are not going to change their minds,they might smile in your face and stab you in the back. Arafat is a good exampel for that. When I am reading some of the European newspapers, you notice that this generation does not know what War is.Being born in The Netherlands, I know how liberal they are to welcome everybody in the country and now ist is compleetly out of control. The soldiers, who fought with the break- up from Yugoslavia, will understand. We are in a terrible situation in Yogoslavia too. Helping the the Muslims and look at the situation their now. And now we have almost the same situation in Iraq , the battle between the Sunni, Shiite's and Kurds. These people from CodePinkalert want to go to Iran, the people who are going, have to check their passports,in case that they had traveled to Israel, if their was not a stamp in their passports from Israel, I guess when they do, they have to get a new passport. What a bunch of traitors against the Jewish people. I know that people from Iran who live in Holland, demonstrate against an attack to Iran,
they want to have a change of the government, but not by the way of going too war. But I don't believe,this is possible with this regime, who is in power now. Dhimmi Carter now in the Middle East and than Dhimmi CodePinkAlert is next. Jimmy Carter have tried to solve the problems with dialoque. You cannot reason with these people, they are not goging to stop their Jihad against Israel and the rest of the world.

Posted by: Maria at April 18, 2008 11:15 PM

Hey, Asad!

You're a muslim on CAIR's payroll.

Get lost!

Posted by: boneshack at April 18, 2008 11:17 PM

Just keep doing that kind of stuff, and talking that way, soon even the most blinded leftist will notice your ravings. The pendulum swings in both directions. Islams rise is about over and the fall will soon begin...and indeed, has already begun...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 18, 2008 11:23 PM

Maria,
So you hate they hate whats the difference? Do you understand that you're words are just as offending? Do you understand that? I'll tell you what though. Atleast in the eyes of god, the jew's who have been to Iran to try to promote peace are 100 times more pious than some hateful jews in Israel who perpetuate death and suffering instead of peace. Don't you dare declare them as traitors to the jewish people. Who are you to speak for the jewish people? Who are you? Shut your dirty mouth.

Posted by: asad at April 18, 2008 11:36 PM

Asad,

I would additionally add that you do NOT keep up with current events nor history:

Well's it's quite obvious you're american. Only an american would have the stupidity to think it makes sense to spend billions perhaps trillions of US dollars to send a man to Mars, an icey rock millions of miles away, when people are starving and suffering all over this world and it's only getting worse.

Starving and suffering all over the world? Really? Professor Asad, would you care to educate us why these problems persist?

Please I hope they send you Mars, and yes claim it for America, we'll have a good laugh at your expense when you do, and please don't ever come back.

Oh, my, the jealously is thick here. Poor muslims still can't get over the fact that we (the Infidels) stepped foot on your il-lahs's throne, and wo! and behold! There was no allah!

Go away, Asad. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

Posted by: boneshack at April 18, 2008 11:38 PM

Hey, Asad!

You're a muslim on CAIR's payroll.

Get lost!

Real intelligent comment moron. I'm a jew. Can't you read?

Posted by: asad at April 18, 2008 11:38 PM

I think Asad, Muslim or Muslim apologist, has distracted long enough. The bouncer should be along any minute.

Posted by: Hugh at April 18, 2008 11:42 PM

You are NOT a Jew!

If it smells like shit, it's probably shit!

Hello?

Posted by: boneshack at April 18, 2008 11:43 PM

"Asad,

I would additionally add that you do NOT keep up with current events nor history:

Well's it's quite obvious you're american. Only an american would have the stupidity to think it makes sense to spend billions perhaps trillions of US dollars to send a man to Mars, an icey rock millions of miles away, when people are starving and suffering all over this world and it's only getting worse.
Starving and suffering all over the world? Really? Professor Asad, would you care to educate us why these problems persist?

Please I hope they send you Mars, and yes claim it for America, we'll have a good laugh at your expense when you do, and please don't ever come back.
Oh, my, the jealously is thick here. Poor muslims still can't get over the fact that we (the Infidels) stepped foot on your il-lahs's throne, and wo! and behold! There was no allah!

Go away, Asad. You're barking up the wrong tree here."

You really are bone stupid aren't ya. Have you read about the increase in world food prices in the current events in the library at that special school you must attend. I'll explain it to you. The price of oil is increasing the cost of food production and shipping all over the world. In many countries it's doubling and tripling the cost of groceries to the point where people who where relatively financially secure only a few years ago can't afford to feed themselves. This has led to riots in many countries in africa, the middle east, asia, and the carribean, but you wouldn't know about food prices cause your mommy probably does your shopping. Have you noticed how much the price of milk has increased? Where do you live in a cave, on Mars? Holly crap are you stupid.

and if for some crazy reason I was a Jew working for those crazy idiots at CAIR like is stated above, I would be being alot more polite. I'm a jew and I'm proud to be one and I'm tired of big hater dummies like you embarrasing me and my religion, and the jewish people.

kiss off

Posted by: asad at April 18, 2008 11:54 PM

You are NOT a Jew!

If it smells like shit, it's probably shit!

Hello?

What does this mean moron? Is this the best you can do(another stellar product of our educational system). Learn to make sense first, and then come back and try to make a point.

Posted by: asad at April 18, 2008 11:57 PM

"I think Asad, Muslim or Muslim apologist, has distracted long enough. The bouncer should be along any minute."

What's wrong. You jew wannabe haters can dish it out, but you can't take it?

Posted by: asad at April 19, 2008 12:00 AM

Who are you to speak for the jewish people? Who are you? Shut your dirty mouth.

Spoken from the mouth of a true muslim. Where else have we heard this filth?

Posted by: boneshack at April 19, 2008 12:01 AM

To my gentle fellow posters:

Don't overfeed the troll. It might gain weight.

That said, this Asad (Asaad?) may claim to be a "practicing Jew" but I'll tell you he needs a hell of a lot more practice before he becomes anything I'll ever recognize as a Jew.

His words, and the habits of thought they reveal, are pure whiney mohammedan style victim-talk. On which basis, I suspect he is another Jew-hating mohammedan, albeit in Jew's clothing.

But whatever the case might be, to make such hate filled comments about Israel and Israel's Jews on the very night before Passover is very much beyond the Pale -- in the original sense of the phrase, which dates to the time when the Jews of Italy were confined to a ghetto called the Pale, which I believe was even surrounded by a wall. Beyond the Pale, where the hostile others lived -- i.e. strictly NOT KOSHER.

Lest I be seen as casting aspersions on the noble and humanitarian culture of Italy, let me remind my gentle fellow posters that the Italians (Italian soldiers no less) allied though they were to the Germans in WWII, actually placed themselves in harm's way to protect Jews -- so committed to human decency were they.

Those were men.

Which is a hell of a lot better than anyone could say of the troll Asad.

In the words of MY elders, I spit him out of my mouth.

Posted by: joeblough at April 19, 2008 12:04 AM

Gad asad, I think you will probably get bounced, but before you go, have you tried anger management classes? Just a suggestion...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 19, 2008 12:04 AM

"Who are you to speak for the jewish people? Who are you? Shut your dirty mouth.

Spoken from the mouth of a true muslim. Where else have we heard this filth?"

Can you make a point you tiny little hateful man? I'm a jew who stands for peace and I am sick and tired of the likes of you speaking for me. You shut your dirty mouth.

Didn't you read what I said above in your previous unintelligible comment? Obviously not, it does seem like you have some issues in the reading and writing department huh. There's still time. Maybe you can brush up and get your GED.

Yea I'm a muslim. That makes alot of sense. What a moron.

Posted by: asad at April 19, 2008 12:10 AM

Oh, great, first your a Jew, then all of a sudden your a muslim.

Story explained. Wow, did the big rock show itself to you in the last 5 minutes?

Loser.

Posted by: boneshack at April 19, 2008 12:15 AM

Joe: I believe the Pale refers to the region around Dublin beyond which was no-go area for the Anglo-Irish rulers.

Posted by: Hubert the Friar at April 19, 2008 12:19 AM

To my gentle fellow posters:

Don't overfeed the troll. It might gain weight.

That said, this Asad (Asaad?) may claim to be a "practicing Jew" but I'll tell you he needs a hell of a lot more practice before he becomes anything I'll ever recognize as a Jew.

His words, and the habits of thought they reveal, are pure whiney mohammedan style victim-talk. On which basis, I suspect he is another Jew-hating mohammedan, albeit in Jew's clothing.

But whatever the case might be, to make such hate filled comments about Israel and Israel's Jews on the very night before Passover is very much beyond the Pale -- in the original sense of the phrase, which dates to the time when the Jews of Italy were confined to a ghetto called the Pale, which I believe was even surrounded by a wall. Beyond the Pale, where the hostile others lived -- i.e. strictly NOT KOSHER.

Lest I be seen as casting aspersions on the noble and humanitarian culture of Italy, let me remind my gentle fellow posters that the Italians (Italian soldiers no less) allied though they were to the Germans in WWII, actually placed themselves in harm's way to protect Jews -- so committed to human decency were they.

Those were men.

Which is a hell of a lot better than anyone could say of the troll Asad.

In the words of MY elders, I spit him out of my mouth.

Hey gentle poster. Nice words calling me a troll, gentle poster. Nice words. That is a beautiful story of humanity that you speak of, but it's such a shame that you ruined it by calling me a troll only because I choose to stand for the humanity and peace you speak of, but for the Israel that should be, not for the Israel that is. Makes you seem like just another hater doesn't it. Think about it gentle friend.

Posted by: asad at April 19, 2008 12:22 AM

What kind of Israel would you like to see Assad?

Posted by: Hubert the Friar at April 19, 2008 12:25 AM

"Oh, great, first your a Jew, then all of a sudden your a muslim.

Story explained. Wow, did the big rock show itself to you in the last 5 minutes?

Loser."

Wow, LOL, you still haven't said anything that makes a lick of sense.

Posted by: asad at April 19, 2008 12:26 AM

Assad: What kind of Israel would you like to see? Although I find it odd that a Jew (which you refuse to, or don't know well enough to capitalize) doesn't know how to spell Israel.

Posted by: Hubert the Friar at April 19, 2008 12:36 AM

Hey, Asad,

You're own statements prove you wrong:

Can you make a point you tiny little hateful man? I'm a jew who stands for peace and I am sick and tired of the likes of you speaking for me. You shut your dirty mouth. ...

Yea I'm a muslim. That makes alot of sense. What a moron.

Which is it then, are you Jewish or are you a muslim?

You're answer tells us all.

Posted by: boneshack at April 19, 2008 12:40 AM

So far asad, you have expressed your anger at world hunger, and your own 'hate of Israel', but otherwise you have just expressed hostility. This web site is about Jihad and it's roots, not your personal gripes. You have yet to address the topic, which is the article at the top of the page...if you stay off topic and only vent your spleen, you will not last much longer here as a poster. I don't run the show, but I know that the people who do, take a dim view of disrupter's...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 19, 2008 12:40 AM

What kind of Israel would you like to see Assad?

An Israel that makes it clear to the international community that first and foremost that they want peace for their people. Not through their speech but through they're actions.

What does that mean? Just some of the things that this means to me for Israel.

Make a sacrifice for peace and forgiveness in God's hands.

Immediately allow humanatarian NGOs, and the press, free access into Gaza along with medical supplies, clean water, food.

Begin a policy of IDF disengagement in the area.

Outwardly and sincerely promote a Palestinian state, and work with the international community sincerely to try and bring this about.

In a gesture of good will begin in stages an evacuation of all settlements in the west bank and discontinue projects in progress. This should be done as progress is seen.

Relenguish the Golan Heights.

Admit to the reality that hamas is not going away and begin indirect talks only for peace with Israel and reconciliation with fatah.

Agree to a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalam eventually.

Then and only then welcome more Jews like me to the holy land.

This is just a start.

Posted by: asad at April 19, 2008 12:58 AM

boneshack,

Okay dummy I'll say it one last time for you because I can only assume now that you can't read. Please find someone to explain this to you in simple words that your tiny little hater brain can understand.

I'm a jew, but I'm also a human being. A human being who has compassion and love for other human beings who are suffering at the hands of aggresion, whatever they're religion, nationality, or ethnicity is.

This as a jew means more to me than my very life. This is a testament to the legacy of my people.

Posted by: asad at April 19, 2008 1:25 AM

Asad: "compassion and love"~?

Hah.

Liar.

Times infinity.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 19, 2008 1:45 AM

How moronic.. who cares what their motive was for killing?

There's no way I am buying into this "if Geert Wilders hadn't published FITNA we wouldn't have killed so-and-so".

So WE are God now.. Geert Wilders is the GOD who determines the actions of these savages..?

That's THEIR Logic..

I say SCREW 'Em and KEEP making GREAT FILM!

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at April 19, 2008 1:49 AM

profitsbeard, you beat me to it! I noticed the same glaring contradiction between how he addressed boneshack and his claim towards "compassion and love". Right!

Posted by: champ at April 19, 2008 1:50 AM

a "jew" named 'asad'.. time to move on.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at April 19, 2008 1:59 AM

Troll Alert!

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Posted by: champ at April 19, 2008 2:01 AM

Hubert the Friar:

Are you pulling my leg or do you know something I don't? HAve I been wrong all these years about what the Pale was?

Citations?

I'll be looking for same.

Posted by: joeblough at April 19, 2008 2:37 AM

Hubert:

Found the following at:

World Wide Words - BEYOND THE PALE

Not sure how well grounded it is. No mention of Italy at all, don'cha know. But for what it's worth, here it is:

================

That word pale has nothing to do with the adjective for something light in colour except that both come from Latin roots. The one referring to colour is from the Latin verb pallere, to be pale, whilst our one is from palus, a stake.

A pale is an old name for a pointed stake driven into the ground and — by an obvious-enough extension — to a barrier made of such stakes, a fence (our modern word pole is from the same source, as are impale and paling). This meaning has been around in English since the fourteenth century. By 1400 it had taken on various figurative senses — a defence, a safeguard, a barrier, an enclosure, or a limit beyond which it was not permissible to go. The idea of an enclosed area still exists in some English dialects.

In particular, the term was used to describe various defended enclosures of territory inside other countries. For example, the English pale in France in the fourteenth century was the territory of Calais, the last English possession in that country. The best-known modern example is the Russian Pale, between 1791 and the Revolution of 1917, which were specified provinces and districts within which Russian Jews were required to live. Another famous one is the Pale in Ireland, that part of the country over which England had direct jurisdiction — it varied from time to time, but was an area of several counties centred on Dublin. The first mention of the Irish Pale is in a document of 1446–7. Though there was an attempt later in the century to enclose the Pale by a bank and ditch (which was never completed), there never was a literal fence around it.

In any case I think my usage still stands. "Beyond the pale" = "strictly not kosher".

It may be more general in origin and application than I originally imagined though.

Posted by: joeblough at April 19, 2008 2:49 AM

PS My comments about Italy and the WWII Italians still stand.

... even though the great Orianna Falacci is probably spinning in her grave at the sight of the Eurabian antics of today's Italians.

Posted by: joeblough at April 19, 2008 2:55 AM

Ah, the unprovoked insults rear their ugly heads. Often the token indicator of the intellectually disingenuous. Proposals akin to those suggested by this current subject have been attempted,in one fashion or another,since Israels inception,with little or no progress toward a peaceful solution. The stark reality is Jews,even the self loathing,appeasement filled variety on display here,will never be tolerated as side-by-side equals in the region. Strange that reciprocity should be a one way street what with the free healthcare,greenhouses,endless concessions in territory despite five decisive victorious major campaigns since '48. UNPRECEDENTED behavior by any victorious state in the annuls of military history. Suffice to say this poster's slip is showing,but he/she should fear not,the current occupant of Pennsylvania Ave. and his secretary of state,are leaving no stone unturned to see that this nationalistic experiment vanishes forever from the face of the earth.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at April 19, 2008 3:09 AM

asad's, 'Well's it's quite obvious you're american. Only an american would have the stupidity to think it makes sense to spend billions perhaps trillions of US dollars to send a man to Mars, an icey rock millions of miles away, when people are starving and suffering all over this world and it's only getting worse. Please I hope they send you Mars, and yes claim it for America, we'll have a good laugh at your expense when you do, and please don't ever come back.'

I find it funny that when we give money to muslim countries they are able to buy more bombs and weapons while you think we should be sending EVEN MORE money to feed the ones that you should have fed with the money we sent to muslim countries in the first place. Go start using your 'muslim charties' to feed the poor. Oh, that would mean you would have to stop buying more bombs to murder others though.

Heaven forbid a muslim do something for themself - like feed their own! They have godzillions of dollars of oil money and what do they do?! They buy more weapons. Think of how to make something into a bomb. Make more bombs. Even use children as bombs. Yep - I think asad and his ilk need to start feeding their own. Oh, but if we stopped sending the money then the wails and gnashing of teeth would start. boo hoo.

Posted by: R_not at April 19, 2008 5:49 AM

This is strictly psychological warfare. I'm glad to read that the Dutch people commenting on the web are not blaming Wilders, since he only said what needed to be said in "Fitna". The next time the Dutch kill a bunch of Taliban, they should proclaim it was in honor of this fallen soldier. Kill one of us, we kill a hundred of you. It's not hard to win a war of attrition with those kinds of ratios.

Posted by: venividivici at April 19, 2008 7:37 AM

"Taliban kills Dutch military chief's son in revenge"

The headline should have been:

Another murder suicide in Afghanistan by a muslim suicide murderer- Dutch chief's son targeted in arbitrary murder of family relative of chief and in arbitrary murder of Dutch people in general. This attack follows last week's jihad attacks of muslims which during the week of April 11, 2008 aggregated to 47 Attacks; 191 Dead Bodies; and 313 Critically Injured persons (source:thereligion of peace.com). The article should point out that spokespersons for attacking muslims claim attacks will continue until infidels cede sovereignty to them and agree to accept inferior status in world and pay jiza.

The unarticulated question on our editorial pages is not whether we are allowed to associate islam with violence, but whether and why islam is capable of such profound murderous violence. It has become so routine and banale for islam to be connected with such obscene violence, that the fact that we ignore its connection to islam is bizarre.

Indeed, what is most pathetic and foreign to non Jihadwatch readers is that what is most obvious to us is not articulated, the fact that there must be something very profoundly different about islam that causes such attacks!

We need a special kind of psychiatry to explain the islamic culture of murder suicide! As we have seen so much of this inflicted by the paleo muslims on the Israelis for over 50 years, and as it is now rearing its ugly head worldwide (as muslims aggressively confront their non-muslim neighbors, perhaps we can learn from the Israeli experience.

What kind of culture teaches its children to use this obscene tactic suicide murder on itself and on others? Jamie Glazov has an interesting article in FrontPage this month that assembles a panel of medical and other experts that tries to explain this inhumane and obscene tactic practiced by Islamo-Fascists.

One of the panelists, Dr. Anat Berko, Lt. Col. Israeli Defense Forces(Ret), a research fellow at the International Policy Institute for Counter Terrorism (ICT) at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya says from her studies and from an interview of a murdering bomber:

" “The sight of blood doesn’t affect our children…” he explained. They watch the slaughter of a lamb to celebrate a family occasion and see blood spurting out all over as the animal dies, so “blood is not strange to them”. He even chuckled and asked: “Are your children (western children) able to watch the slaughter of a lamb without fainting?” That is in addition to the sharp transition to celebration in which large quantities of ‘baklava’ (sweet cakes) are consumed with other sweet treats by guests after a ‘shaheed’ explodes himself and kills other innocent people anywhere in the world. Such experiences have a deep formative affect on their lives."

She also says: "There is also the aspect of learning through emulation for these children whose cultural heroes are bloodthirsty terrorists. Youths who were involved in acts of terror told me that as young children they would play in the streets, with their faces masked and if a child was lucky he would be given “a rifle to shoot with” by one of the older activists."

The whole article may be found at FrontPageMagazine.com: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=08F0ED32-1CA7-4B20-A263-E561B6009459

What is unique about this rash of worldwide suicide murders is the fact that the only thing these murderers have in common is islam itself! The fact that suicide bombers can be found worldwide anywhere suggests there is something profoundly dysfunctional, antisocial and psychopathic about the religion and its culture.

Indeed, one of the interesting things in the Glazov article is the result of a recent study in
the UK. The report about honor murder called "Crimes of the Community: Honor-based Violence in the UK" by the Centre for Social Cohesion. Geo-mapping was done. Quoting Nazir Afzal: "If you had a map of the UK showing the location of Islamist groups -- or terrorist cells -- and you had another map showing the incidence of honor-based violence and you overlaid them you would find that they were a mirror; they would be almost identical. It could be that this is simply because this is where South Asians live or it could be something else --it could suggest that there is a strong link between these two attitudes." (p.86).

No, the violence we will be experiencing in the West will not be home grown. The murder suicide violence will likely originate in cities that have honor based killings and violence. Amina and Sarah indicate that Dallas is a good candidate in the U.S. But there are now hundreds of other cities worldwide in the west where this may and is taking place, not just Dallas!

Posted by: David England at April 19, 2008 8:14 AM

Looks like Spencer can't find any "Fitna rage" (try looking at the Dutch Jewish community, they've had more protests than the entire European Muslim community has had against this film), so he's trying to make the war in Afghanistan = Fitna rage? Weird, too bad nobody outside this site seems to believe you.

Just doing some thinking...

Posted by: An American at April 19, 2008 8:22 AM

"Beyond the pale"

Try this. It's a UK site but Americans and British speak the same language, don't we?

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/a.html

Posted by: Pelayo at April 19, 2008 8:48 AM

Pelayo:
When I saw "Phrase Finder" the top, I thought it might be an online version of J.I. Rodale's Phrase-Word-Synonym Finder book. It's got all sorts of arcane phrases, metaphors, etc. If I could find mine, I might sound like a poor man's Hugh Fitzgerald.

Posted by: Hubert the Friar at April 19, 2008 9:15 AM

Looks like Spencer can't find any "Fitna rage" (try looking at the Dutch Jewish community, they've had more protests than the entire European Muslim community has had against this film), so he's trying to make the war in Afghanistan = Fitna rage? Weird, too bad nobody outside this site seems to believe you.

Just doing some thinking...

You should increase the amount of "thinking" you do before posting. Spencer has already outlined what he thinks is the "strategy" against the West vis-a-vis "Fitna" and the Taliban themselves made the connection to "Fitna", so, once again Spencer is just pointing things out and gets shot by Muslim apologists as the messenger. It's BS and indicative of low character or inability to "think".

Posted by: venividivici at April 19, 2008 11:29 AM

"We need a special kind of psychiatry to explain ..."

And while they're at it, perhaps they can try to explain the mahometan compulsion to impersonate Jews in anonymous discussions. Is it because deep down they know the Jews were right all along about the crude, licentious, and ludicrous 'prophet'?

Posted by: Infidel33 at April 19, 2008 12:59 PM

Pale... I read that it was Roman. A pale was a stake driven into the ground, meant to define a boundary. As in beyond the boundary...

I know there are links here but that's what I recall readin' somewheres.

Wow. asad had some major rage problems there eh?

Y'know...when a known liar tells me a story, like the liars at Reuters, I tend to be a little skeptical when they move their lips. I can't put a great deal of faith when they report on anyone gettin' hit by the IDF. I seem to recall a "little boy gets shot by IDF" story that they fabricated entirely, and stood by the lie for years. Truth, as truth often does, finally came out. Didn't hear much about that though. Just the lie got air time.

As for the rantings of the barking dog asad...he says.....

"You are worse than Hitler."

He who plays the Hitler card first loses...
All statements thereafter are irrelevant.

Goodbye loser.

As for the Talibans hit...

They're just goin' about their job of killin' folks, knowing that eventually, they'd kill someone that they could claim was killed in revenge for X. Whatever the revenge of the day happens to be. Fitna will do for now. It doan take much to get em' killin'.

We know it takes nothing more than the fact that there are still free people on the planet to enrage them.

Posted by: Alaskan at April 19, 2008 1:11 PM

I remember about 5 years ago when I was in the middle east and my wife and I had just had a meal and were walking back to the hotel on a nice cool evening.
We were walking back to the hotel hand in hand and then I felt a rock hit me on my back.
I turned round and of course nobody was there... nobody to be seen.
Purely typical of these cowards - these snipers.
I picked a rock up off the ground and threw it in an almighty temper in the direction were I had been attacked from, it hit the mosque wall and then a weird looking guy with a beard came out and I threw a rock at him also.
It was and is an illustration of their cowardice and tactics.
Me and my baby walked back to the hotel and slept easy after that.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at April 19, 2008 1:54 PM

Pelayo:

Nice site. Thanks.

Similar data to what I found elsewhere, but nice literary citation.

I'm really puzzled about the whole Italy thing. Sooner or later I have to figure out if I've had it wrong all this time. It sure looks that way as of now.

BTW I believe it's said that the US and UK are two nations separated by a common language.

:-)

Posted by: joeblough at April 19, 2008 3:17 PM

asad states: "An Israel that makes it clear to the international community that first and foremost that they want peace for their people. Not through their speech but through they're actions."

Haven't you been paying attention?! Israel has made one gesture towards peace after another, only to be met with more of the same: greedy land grabbers who want it ALL!!!!!

Posted by: champ at April 19, 2008 4:12 PM

If asad is a Jew, he is the sort who travels with St. Pancake's like.
Asad if Israel did what you suggested, the Jews of Israel would be wiped from the Earth.
The wars Israel has fought were in self-defense.
If Arabs would lay down their arms there would be peace...if Israel lay down their arms, Israel would cease to exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLmc8PMuZmI

Posted by: interestinconundrum at April 19, 2008 8:39 PM

'because they occupied our country'
Forgoodness sake, what do they think is happening in the European countries, Muslims are occupying more and more of our countries and whats more they show their appreciation by not getting jobs and living of our generocity, gang raping our girls, insisting that we follow their ways and having riots if we dont, and simply causing trouble where ever they go. It is time that they and us woke up to their evil..
Mohammad chose one of 360 gods of that time and allah was a well known god of 1400 years ago, many artifacts have been found with the moon god and its star and cresent on it, so why do they think he is special. After all Allah was a god of agriculture, WAR and the SWORD, I wonder why mohammad chose him, of course from his example of what he wrote in his evil book one can only guess eh,, joking of course it is obvious to people who have half a brain why he chose that god, he was the god of war and the sword.. Mohammad didnt chose allah because he was a god of agriculture as mohammad hated agriculture..

Posted by: Gaye at April 20, 2008 5:11 AM