And how many hours will pass before the pathologically mendicious Muslims reverse their position? I guess about 5 hours...

Posted by: antishock8 at April 21, 2008 12:32 PM

So either:

1) The Palestinian people will reject a referendum, thereby validating Hamas

or

2) Hamas will reject the results of the referendum.

And Mr. Peanut still thinks he matters in the world?

Posted by: V.I.N.C.E.N.T. at April 21, 2008 12:32 PM

Update: Read this AP news alert from about one hour ago (1:23 Eastern):

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — Hamas' leader Khaled Mashaal says the militant Islamic group will not recognize Israel.

Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at April 21, 2008 12:42 PM

Well antishock8, I guess your 5 hours were about right according to Jimmy the Dhimmi's post. So surprised.

Did Jimmy need a new bridge for his peanut farm? Boy, the freight bill will be a bugger won't it?

Posted by: Sounder at April 21, 2008 12:49 PM

Taqiyya alert!

Beware agreements of Muslim to non Muslims as per Surah 9 v3 treaties can be 'dissolved' at an announcement from Allah and his messenger. Useful tradition to have in your back pocket for those gullible 'pagans'. (Yusuf Ali trans)

Jimmy Carter fits the bill as a 'pagan' and has as high a gulliblity index as you can get!

Posted by: James at April 21, 2008 12:57 PM

Why can't we have politicians post a bond for issues they are pushing. We could call the bond 'freedom bond'. If they push an issue and we find out it was not true the the politician would have their freedom removed and they would be incarcerated in an American prison for some period of time.

Although if we found the issue they were pushing was not true and others lost their lifes because of the politicians push then the politician would serve life in prison and be censored from free speech.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at April 21, 2008 1:00 PM

It's Neville Chamberlain all over again from 1938, only this is 70 years later from a former President who so naively and desperately wants to validate his Noble Peace Prize from the 93' Israeli/PLO Peace accords.

A former President who has the temerity to place a wreath at the grave of arch-murderer and master terrorist Yassir Arafat, and hugged and kissed Arafat's Fatah and Hamas heirs while there.

This weakest of our Presidents continues to remain an embarrassment to the free world and America. His planned meeting elicited criticism from the Bush administration. His radicalism fomented Israel's informal, but fairly firm boycott of his visit as well.

Carter still believes that an independent state of Palestine is the only remedy to bring peace to the area, never mind that Hamas and its 36 articles of the Hamas Charter did not even exist when he was President.

Yep maybe someone could sell him the Brooklyn Bridge.

Posted by: Mackie at April 21, 2008 1:12 PM

It's Neville Chamberlain all over again from 1938, only this is 70 years later from a former President who so naively and desperately wants to validate his Noble Peace Prize from the 93' Israeli/PLO Peace accords.

A former President who has the temerity to place a wreath at the grave of arch-murderer and master terrorist Yassir Arafat, and hugged and kissed Arafat's Fatah and Hamas heirs while there.

This weakest of our Presidents continues to remain an embarrassment to the free world and America. His planned meeting elicited criticism from the Bush administration. His radicalism fomented Israel's informal, but fairly firm boycott of his visit as well.

Carter still believes that an independent state of Palestine is the only remedy to bring peace to the area, never mind that Hamas and its 36 articles of the Hamas Charter did not even exist when he was President.

Yep maybe someone could sell him the Brooklyn Bridge.

Posted by: Mackie at April 21, 2008 1:12 PM

This is the same Jimmy Carter who actually believes a Hudna is a serious peace agreement.

Posted by: Roxane at April 21, 2008 1:23 PM

BRIDGE FOR SALE: Guaranteed Ten Years' Lasting Peace on HAMAS' Terms, Subject to Limitations, Qualifications, and Option to Rescind; Requires Najis Jew Zionist Criminals to Cast Away Fruits of Victory.

Posted by: John C at April 21, 2008 1:53 PM

Hams is showing themselves to be worthy emulator of Muhammad.

Muhammad killed jews, Hamas the same.
Muhammad engaged in jihad, Hams the same.
Muhammed senter into the hudna of Hudaibiya with the Meccans. Supposedly a treaty for ten years. Before two years had passed, Moham used an excuse to break the treaty and attack and conquer the Meccans.

Will the plot work for Hams with respect to Israel? Will they get a Hudna supposedly for ten years and use it to place missile launchers all over the place, beaking the treaty when they feel strong?

The plot thickens....

Posted by: nacazo at April 21, 2008 2:04 PM

I love bridges ...

While Syrian president Bashar Assad talked about an exchange of messages with Israel through a third party – Turkey and Norway – Sunday, April 21, elsewhere in Damascus, Syrian and Iranian intelligence officers were meeting secretly with Hamas leaders and promising them every support for stepped up rejectionist violence.

http://debka.com/article.php?aid=1345

...and fairy castles in the sky ...

Hamas explodes U.S. vehicles in massive attack
Largest terror op in 3 years was to 'execute mass killings and abductions'

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62150

...and if we just wish upon a star then we will make are delusions -- uh, err -- dreams, all come true.

Maybe Mr. Carter can join the white rabbit, the mad hatter, and Alice in talks with hammas on the other side of the looking glass.

(Gad, what do they put in the peanuts these days?)

Posted by: witness at April 21, 2008 2:10 PM

Isn't there a problem when you need to argue from a standpoint of one's right to exist?

Posted by: mekan at April 21, 2008 2:11 PM

Needless to say, everyone on this forum knows Carter is a certifiable anti-Semite and nutter. When reading this earlier today in one of the mass-media sites, I laughed at the pathetic mindlessness of the aforementioned, the leftist media.
For the media to nibble at this Carter/Hamas mythology betrays the true bent of the former. They are propagandists of the same ilk as Goebbels: Rabid anti-Semites, anti-Israel, anti-American and so-forth… consequently, their blatantly fervent backing of the self-anointed, Obama.
Carter was not only an inane and inept president but the worst in American history, in my opinion, the most dangerous, as well. This pitiful man was and remains, to this day, unhesitating in his anti-Semitism… then again, so is the mass-media.

Posted by: ballzack at April 21, 2008 2:26 PM

Good news! Jimmy comes through!

JERUSALEM (AP) - Former President Carter said Monday that Hamas—the Islamic militant group that has called for the destruction of Israel—is prepared to accept the right of the Jewish state to "live as a neighbor next door in peace."
But Carter warned that there would not be peace if Israel and the U.S. continue to shut out Hamas and its main backer, Syria.

The Democratic former president spoke in Jerusalem after meeting last week with top Hamas leader, Khaled Mashaal, and his deputy in Syria. It capped a nine-day visit to the Mideast aimed at breaking the deadlock between Israel and Hamas militants who rule the Gaza Strip.

"They (Hamas) said that they would accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders, if approved by Palestinians and that they would accept the right of Israel to live as a neighbor next door in peace," Carter said.

In Damascus, Mashaal said Hamas was offering Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 war.

He confirmed that Hamas would be satisfied with a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders—implicitly accepting that Israel would exist alongside that state. But Mashaal stressed the group would never outright recognize the Jewish state.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D906CDCG0&show_article=1

Yup! Thanks to Jimmy, Isreal better jump on this one right away before the opportunity slips away! Right Jimmy?

By the way Jimmy, what happens when the ten years are up?

Posted by: witness at April 21, 2008 2:29 PM

It sounds like Carter is ready to announce "Peace in our time."

The American Left is cheering. (Check their blogs.) They really do blame Israel for the violence in the Middle East.

Posted by: Steven L. at April 21, 2008 2:33 PM

H U D N A ...at best.

L I E S ...is what Mohametans do best.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at April 21, 2008 2:34 PM

"live as a neighbor next door…”

By “neighbor” here they probably mean “dhimmi person down the road” . Carter, of course, didn’t notice that they didn’t say “live as a sovereign nation where they are now”.

I just got to see Carter about a great deal on some swamp land.

Posted by: FM at April 21, 2008 2:47 PM

Hamas and Carter spells: Ha-ter

http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/060224peacelovegeno-x.jpg

Posted by: champ at April 21, 2008 2:52 PM

I wonder if in this Hudna there are some caps on the number of Rockets Hamas can shoot per year?

Is it possible to prevent Carter from ever stepping on American Soil. Or at least arrest him when he does?

Is it true that Carter offered Skunks safe haven on his Peanut Farm?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 21, 2008 3:26 PM

For Jimmy Carter to think that he merely has to meet with a terrorist organization for a few short hours and achieve a sustainable resolution for lasting peace is both the height of naivety and sheer arrogance.

He really takes himself too seriously.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at April 21, 2008 3:28 PM

Hamas explodes U.S. vehicles in massive attack
Largest terror op in 3 years was to 'execute mass killings and abductions'

witness,
and all they got was three dead drivers. Some soldiers were wounded but none seriously. No killings, no abductions.
They attacked on Passover! Has Israel ever attacked them while they were at Friday prayers?

Posted by: PMK at April 21, 2008 3:38 PM

"Isn't there a problem when you need to argue from a standpoint of one's right to exist?"
-Mekan

Which puts Israel's so-called 'leadership' in the position of saying to the Arab world "Come on! Just say it! That we have a right to exist on this tiny fragment of land. You don't have to mean it or believe it! Twist the words like pretzels, find euphemisms, lie, ANYTHING but just say it."

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 21, 2008 3:59 PM

From Peanut Farmer

To President

To Puppet Pawn

Posted by: champ at April 21, 2008 4:01 PM

In Damascus, Mashaal said Hamas was offering Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 war.

Muhammad established forever the right and even obligation of every Muslim to make agreements with non-Muslims when necessary (i.e., when the Muslims are weak relative to their infidel enemies), but only for 10 years as in the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, and then break these agreements when stronger so Islam could advance. This treaty, negotiated and agreed by Muhammad himself, is the immutable template and precedent for all Islamic diplomacy with the non-Muslim world. It can never be abrogated. It renders for all time the impossibility of admission of any Muslim country into the family of nations throughout the globe whose people may genuinely desire to live in peace with their neighbors.

Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at April 21, 2008 4:15 PM

Let’s see... Hamas still does not recognize Israel’s right to exist, Hamas has never renounced violence and terrorism, and Hamas has never changed its charter that calls for the destruction of Israel. And Jimmy the Dhimmi wants Israel to agree to a truce under these conditions?!?!

And of course, if Israel rejects this, Carter and his ilk will say there's no peace in the Middle East - and it's all the fault of the jooooooooooos!

Posted by: Dan The Infidel at April 21, 2008 4:37 PM

Found this Jimmy-Gem:

"Jimmy Carter Hates Jews"

"Oh Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, how I love when things like this come up. Jimmy Carter, one of the biggest anti-semetic jerks in the past few months, keeps popping up in the news with all kinds of fun anti-semetic stuff."

"Now I'm not one to go in too much for the victim thing, or the race thing, or the jew thing, or whatever, but boy do I love when people start pounding on the hillbilly ex-president, poor excuse for a peanut farmer Jimmy Carter. So let's begin, first from Drudge, a link to a Washington Post story about Jimmy Carter's ridiculously biased and stupid, stupid book: 'Palestine: Peace not Apartheid', in which a few passages have come to a lot of attention as they seem to encourage violence against Israel from it's noisy neighbors:"

"The questionable passage, which appears on Page 213 of the book, reads: "It is imperative that the general Arab community and all significant Palestinian groups make it clear that they will end the suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism when international laws and the ultimate goals of the Roadmap for Peace are accepted by Israel."

"Some of Mr. Carter's critics, including the Carter Center board members who resigned, say the text reads as defending terror tactics until a peace accord can be reached between Israel and Palestinians."

"Ah, lovely, it's wonderful, I'm very pleased he wrote such things because he is a retard. I just don't hold any truck with an ex-President criticizing a sitting President *cough* Carter, Clinton *cough* and this is why I'm being so horrible to him. And also there was some fun stuff on WorldNetDaily, which read:"

"TEL AVIV – Former President Jimmy Carter once complained there were "too many Jews" on the government's Holocaust Memorial Council, Monroe Freedman, the council's former executive director, told WND in an exclusive interview."

"Freedman, who served on the council during Carter's term as president, also revealed a noted Holocaust scholar who was a Presbyterian Christian was rejected from the council's board by Carter's office because the scholar's name "sounded too Jewish."

by Mark Slag

Posted by: champ at April 21, 2008 4:58 PM

Ballzack

I think this is suffiecient.

Needless to say, everyone on this forum knows Carter is certifiable

Posted by: DP111 at April 21, 2008 5:43 PM

SaracensAtTheGates

No treaty is forever, though it is diplomatically and politically convenient for us to assume that they are.

However, Muslims with their open "ten year validity of a treaty" gives us some scope for change. It allows us to change the rules of the game every ten years i.e., after Muslims have broken the treaty. That is the flip side of the coin.

Posted by: DP111 at April 21, 2008 5:59 PM

witness,
and all they got was three dead drivers. Some soldiers were wounded but none seriously. No killings, no abductions.
They attacked on Passover! Has Israel ever attacked them while they were at Friday prayers?

Posted by: PMK at April 21, 2008 3:38 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but, no I do not recall ever hearing about Israel attacking anyone during Friday prayers in the case of islam.

What irks me is that these armored vehicles were what our current commander-in-cheif gave to hamas along with several hundred million dollars along with thousands of weapons, ammo, and technical training --- courtesy of the US taxpayer.

Sure, some bush supporters will jump and point out that these things were actually given to fatah or some other palistinian entity -- but these people work for several different groups.

I didn't know passover started already btw. In anycase, hamas attacked while they were simultaneously having "warm talks" with jimmy.

Posted by: witness at April 21, 2008 6:56 PM

Carter is interviewed on this station and on that. Not one of the interviewers thinks to ask Carter if he understands what a "hudna" is. Not one asks him why he thinks the figure of ten years, rather than five, or fifteen, or twenty years, was chosen by the leaders of Hamas as the appropriate length of time for this "hudna" or truce. Not one of them has asked him, or will ask, if he has any idea that the model for this offer is the Treaty made at Hudiabiyya in 628 A.D. between Muhammand and the Meccans. Not one of them wqill ask Carter if he has heard about that treaty, knows its terms, knows when, and why, Muhammad chose to break it. Not one of those interviewing Carter will ask him if he knows the signficance of Muhammad in Islam, if he knows what Muhammad said and did, if he knows what the phrases "uswa hasana" and "al-insan al-kamil" mean. Not one will ask Jimmy Carter if, since he has been an ex-president for nearly 30 years, and since he has considered himself a great expert on Middle Eastern matters, and even offered public relations advice, free, to Yassir Arafat, and clearly has a thing about Israe, a most unpleasant thing -- no need, at this point,to point out what prompts Jimmy Carter to have that "thing" about Israel, and it did not start yesterday, but was or should have been obvious from his behavior at Camp David, but so many of those who then claimed (and claim still) to be "pro-Israel" have no idea of how obviously vicious Carter (and Brzezinski) were then, during those fantastic negotiations, that I remember so clearly, at every twist and cruel turn, as they hectored and bullied and inveigled and mocked Begin's worries, and gave Saint Sadat not only what he dared to ask but made him ask for even more, and more)-- and since he has been paid tens of millions of dollars during that time, in all kinds of annual support supplied by American taxpayers, and since furthermore he has decided on many occasions to formulate and attempt to execute his own foreign policy, should he not be asked if, in those nearly 30 years, he has bothered to study the Qur'an, the hadith, the Sira, or bothered to read any of the great Western authorities -- not the espositos and ernsts please, not the michael-sells bowdlerized Qur'an pleace, not Noah "After Jihad" Feldman please (for now let's leave Feldman to his ill-merited tenure at Harvard Law School, one more war profiteer of the Iraq folly, voted on by colleagues who themselves were in no position to judge his worth, but deeply imppressed by that Iraq-constitution business, as by glowing endorsements from John Esposito and Roy Mottahedeh), but rather by Joseph Schacht, by C. Snouck Hurgronje, by Arthur Jeffrey, by Henri Lammens, by K. S. Lal, by fifty others, from a dozen countries, who were the Orientalists who studied Islam in the age of mental freedom that flowered in the field prior to the Great Inhibition, and also by attending to what the defectors from the army of Islam, as useful to the West as once were defectors from Soviet Russia, or Communist Eastern Europe.

Of course Carter was not asked any of this. He wasn't asked, because none of those who interviewed him, however briefly, and however skeptically, knew any of this themselves, and still think that they are perfectly justified in reporting on, in talking about, in fashioning the judgments of others about, Islam -- when they are entirely unjustified in so doing, and guilty, as are so many, of criminal irresponsibility in the performance of their duties, of their difficult but indispensable task.

Posted by: Hugh at April 21, 2008 7:40 PM

didn't Carter buy the Brooklyn Bridge along with the USS Texas as a cruiser for dollar last week it could be as long as he believes Muslims that blonde Islamic terrorist groups will keep their word

Posted by: crusader at April 21, 2008 8:31 PM

There are fools, there are damn fools and then there is Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: Wellington at April 21, 2008 8:35 PM

We heard that one before.... they are ready to accept Israel.
Just sit at the table with them and the next day another suicide bomber is going to blow off somewhere in a restaurant .
You cannot trust those people. Jimmy Carter is an idiot nothing else. he did not learn his lesson with the hostage crisis.
I bet Hamas loved to speak with such a naive fellow.
Those people understand only one way, the hard way.

But the Israelis got the message long time ago.
They should have offered Jimmy room and board for a few weeks in Israel to see for himself what it is to live with terror everyday.
Until you live with those crazy arabs . you cannot understand what the Jews are going through.

Posted by: Tartine at April 21, 2008 8:42 PM

I noted one of the first posters suggested criminal action for someone doing this without the official authorization of the US Government. Lesser and unknown individuals would and have be found guilty of treason or sedition. I don't recall any constitutional statement that former presidents were immune.

I would pursue this even if he was found not guilty just to cost him politically and financially. I don't care even if he thinks or feels he is doing the correct thing. He has crossed the line IMO.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at April 21, 2008 11:20 PM

When Carter talks, no one with at least a half a brain listens..he is such a fraud.

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 22, 2008 6:02 AM

The Hamas charter needs to be more studied and discussed. One notable feature of it is that it not only calls for destroying Israel but all Jews as such. This comes in Article 7 where the Charter quotes the medieval Muslim fable about Judgement Day when the Muslims will fight the Jews. The Jews, will supposdedly hide behind rocks and trees. These rocks and trees will call out. O Muslim, a Jew is hiding behind me. Come kill him.

Other than that, we would not expect Jimmy to know that Hamas believes in universal jihad against non-Muslims and the bringing of the whole world under Muslim rule and Muslim law. Of course, in the past few years, several think-tank policy wonks have called for recognizing the Hamas' parent body, the Muslim Brotherhood, as a democratic force. Jimmy couldn't be expected to even imagine that such a notion so attractive to his peanut brain might be false. The MB too stands for universal jihad and perpetual war until the full victory of Dar al-Islam over Dar al-Harb.

Of course, like a plowhorse or donkey wearing blinders, Jimmy could not know that about ten days ago, a Hamas preacher in Gaza told his gentle flock that conquering Israel was just a first step toward a Muslim world conquest. We have to excuse Jimmy for not knowing any of these important things. What can we expect from the slayer of the killer rabbit??

Posted by: Eliyahu at April 22, 2008 11:41 AM

"What can we expect from the slayer of the killer rabbit??

Posted by: Eliyahu "

...maybe the rabbit knew something that no one else knew....

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 22, 2008 7:16 PM