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An update on this story. "Hamas Leader Vows Not to Recognize Israel After Carter Trumpets Terror Group's Willingness to Be Good 'Neighbor'," from Fox News:
JERUSALEM — Just hours after former President Jimmy Carter trumpeted Hamas' agreement to let Israel "live as a neighbor," the same terrorist leader he met with face-to-face vowed not to recognize the Jewish state.
But Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal did offer Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.
Carter met twice with Mashaal over the weekend.
The former president also said Monday that he would never sit down with Al Qaeda because the terror network has no "redeeming features."
"[Al Qaeda] are not involved in any sort of a fruitful process. They are not recognized by their own people," Carter told FOX News in an interview Monday. "On the other hand, you have to remember Hamas in an honest and open and fair and transparent election were elected the leaders of the Palestinian government." [...]
When asked whether he'd ever meet with Al Qaeda, Carter replied, "No, of course not."
"I don't see any redeeming features of Al Qaeda at all," he said.
That begs the question of what "redeeming features" he thinks Hamas has, and if having sufficient public support to be elected into power makes them any less vicious and dangerous. More details on this highly unsurprising bit of backpedaling: "Hamas says would conditionally accept peace plan," by Khaled Yacoub Oweis for Reuters:
DAMASCUS (Reuters) - The Islamist Hamas group said on Monday it would accept the establishment of a Palestinian state on land occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war, but it was not prepared to recognize the Jewish state.
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, in an apparent softening of the group's position, was confirming an account of his remarks given by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter after two meetings in Damascus over the weekend.
"We accept a state on the June 4 line with Jerusalem as capital, real sovereignty and full right of return for refugees but without recognizing Israel," Meshaal told reporters, referring to the borders as they stood before the 1967 war. [...]
An Israeli government spokesman also said the Jewish state was unimpressed by Meshaal's statement.
"Israel is targeted on a daily basis by rocket barrages from Hamas controlled territory in the Gaza Strip. Israel sees no change in Hamas's extremist positions," said David Baker, a spokesman in Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office.
In a speech in Jerusalem, Carter said Hamas leaders had told him they would "accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders if approved by Palestinians." He was referring to the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and a referendum on a deal Washington hopes to clinch this year.
"It means that Hamas will not undermine Abbas's efforts to negotiate an agreement and Hamas will accept an agreement if the Palestinians support it in a free vote," he said.
A handy loophole: Allege any unfavorable referendum results were rigged, and keep on fighting.
Posted by Marisol at April 21, 2008 9:04 PM
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"Stop the presses: Hamas won't recognize Israel"
And this is news? Not to anyone who visits this site regularly.
Posted by: Jerry M![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at April 21, 2008 9:14 PM
According to Arab news newspaper Hamas as "generously" offered a 10 year truce or hudna to israel. My such generosity (heavy sarcsm). Probably will be used to rearm themselves.
Posted by: Clifford at April 21, 2008 9:19 PM
Lets not recognize Hamas and see what happens. Hamas who? Never heard of 'em!
Posted by: champ at April 21, 2008 9:21 PM
Has someone told Carter that Israel has an 'honest, open, fair, transparent elected group'? Because Carter thinks that Israel is an 'apartheid state' and yet he condemns Israel on the same base issues that he praises Hamas for.
And if Jimmy Carter is saying the words 'honest' 'open' 'fair' 'transparent elected' then I know he is lying and the elections need to be looked into again.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at April 21, 2008 9:50 PM
Yes, the 'Palestinian People' really did elect Hamas as Carter says. Read the Hamas charter. If you've read it, read it again, all 36 articles. It is a genocidal document of such pure malicious hate and uncompromising viciousness there is nothing quite like it in history. It is so nakedly evil that any people who 'endorses' it is evil. It is not a 'Palestinian' document at all but rather an ISLAMIC document.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 21, 2008 10:07 PM
"But Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal did offer Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war."
My Gosh that's a generous offer!
A deal only Jimmy Carter could fall for.
Posted by: alexon at April 21, 2008 10:37 PM
You know, as bad as the Carter visit is, sometimes it really does take a naive someone like Neville Chamber-- I mean Jimmy Carter to demonstrate what dreadful goons these leaders are.
Posted by: blangwort at April 21, 2008 10:40 PM
But Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal did offer Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.
and what the Jewish people should do it say okay as long as Muslims withdraw lands they have seized an occupied over the past 1700 years that seems fair
at April 22, 2008 12:18 AM
Well dhimmi carter got his "peace in the middle east" He can hang that Hamas pledge on the wall and crow about this great diplomatic victory to the media. He can proudly say that he convinced Hamas to recognize isreal when everyone doubted him. no matter that all that was a sham, all that was nothing new. that hamas wants isreal to go back to it's undefensible 67 border, and accept all those so called palastinian refugees, and get a dubious 10 year truce, which no doubt will be broken the first instance isreal reacts to the constant Hamas rocket barrage.
Posted by: desidude at April 22, 2008 2:21 AM
Jimmy Carter's peace mission...Not surprising! He helped Islamic fundamentalists take over Iran. Carter is not happy about Hamas being taken out of the peace process and is trying to make the terrorist group legit. Hamas represents jihad in a violent way, and will stop it nothing till Israel is eliminated and then they will try and spread it's form of Islam elsewhere through violence.
Posted by: twoedgesword at April 22, 2008 3:02 AM
I was hoping they were going to take him hostage (and maybe execute him when nobody wanted to pay the ransom)... but Hamas aren't that stupid. They know it's better to leave him ith us, so he can continue to undermine his own country.
Posted by: Stefcho at April 22, 2008 5:02 AM
and how long do these Muslims truces or cease fires usually last...usually about 3 days or until the next shipment of rockets from Syria or Iran arrives.
Since WWII there have been many truces or peace agreements of one sort or the other..in every one of them the Muslims failed to honor the terms and usually resumed their killing ways before the ink was dry..
A Muslim peace agreement is worth as much as the pile of pig poop I narrowly missed stepping on earlier today..
Posted by: pulsar182 at April 22, 2008 5:48 AM
Hamas does indeed recognize Israel: but only as a target..
Posted by: pulsar182 at April 22, 2008 5:57 AM
Stefcho~ They probably would if they could but Carter, as an ex-president, still has secret service protection.
They will never accept Israel, since that would go against Mo's statement of not allowing two religions in Arabia.
And Olmert is a fool if he gives back the strategic Golan Heights. Or any MORE of the land won in war.
The next war with the arabs won't be so easily won as the 1948 and 1967 wars. They are much better recruited, armed and globally trained.
Posted by: Borg at April 22, 2008 7:29 AM
In a sane world Peanut Khadr would be treated like the Afghans treated Najibullah...remember?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 22, 2008 7:43 AM
"Hamas won't recognize Israel" - I saw this on CNN, when it was a "Breaking news" banner headline. It took me a couple of seconds and then I fell off my chair.
Posted by: Uriel Septim at April 22, 2008 11:56 AM
This quote from wiki is telling (Hudna):
A particularly famous early hudna was the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah between Muhammad and the Quraysh tribe, ending with Muhammad marching on Mecca along with 10000 men, two years after the hudna was signed, and taking over the Quraysh.
According to Umdat as-Salik, a medieval summary of Shafi'i jurisprudence, hudnas with a non-Muslim enemy should be limited to 10 years: "if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud" ('Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).
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I mean, why would anyone in his right mind allow his enemy a truce just to regroup. Truce just till your enemy gets the upper hand and then hits you with all newly gained power.
Peace in islam = when all world will be islamic. But even then I doubt it: Shia vs. Suni vs. Sufi vs... Mullah A vs. Mullah B
Posted by: johnsawyer at April 22, 2008 5:34 PM
"On the other hand, you have to remember Hamas in an honest and open and fair and transparent election were elected the leaders of the Palestinian government." J. Carter..
If this statement above is without error, then even Carter can be right.
Bush refuses to see this, it could be used to advantage in finding a path.
Send a diplomat,with a statement of position, and once agreed with, talks could at that time move forward, but not until. The leaders of Hamas must seed Israel the right to life and current country, and must control and stop all attacks on same Israel. No truce talk is needed. This assumes the second of Fatah after Hamas.
Fatah can be used in a role, but should not be at the table of peace without Hamas, if Carter's statement is correct.
No aid or talks until Hamas agrees. This is not a request, it would be a required. Put the task in their hands.
Posted by: Islofob IS-1
at April 23, 2008 1:04 AM
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