Dang it, doesn't this kid watch the news? Islam is peace, everyone knows that. How on earth could he ever confuse the teachings of the prophet (peace be upon blah blah blah) with violence? Must be a very rare case.

Another tragic misunderstanding Islamophobe.

Posted by: Grafted at April 29, 2008 3:14 PM

"Now what are they doing to prevent converts like him imbibing jihadism? What's that? The question itself is "Islamophobic"? Great. All right, then: what are British authorities doing to prevent people from imbibing jihadism? Nothing, you say? Trusting the self-proclaimed "moderate" Muslim leaders, who are essentially doing nothing? Got it!"
-- from the comment by Robert Spencer above

God, you're hard to please. It's a deliberate strategy. You don't think all the authorities are dopes, do you? Just give it a little more time. Any day now, the results will be obvious.

Posted by: Hugh at April 29, 2008 3:15 PM

I thought I read somewhere his father was Egyptian and his mother English. If so he was not quite a full convert being half way there already.

Posted by: Fred at April 29, 2008 6:13 PM

The student is a son of an NHS consultant and was educated at some of Bristol's top independent schools.

_this certainly runs counter to the claims that young Muslim extremists are poorly educated, have been offered no opportunities from host nations and thus hang around slum areas eager to find something to do which usually involves striking out violently at the indigenous population.

Posted by: Briars at April 29, 2008 6:36 PM

Deporting all these Moslims, where are you going to deport this UK youth too.
It is about impossible, if you know from which country they came.
The Netherlands have send some back in a plane, escorted with the military or police.
They handcuffed them,they had to drag them in the plane, once in a seat they were cuffed to the chairs.
One man treatened to throw his baby on the cement.
Can you imagine sending thousands back, not to discuss, if you are talking about, sending millions back.

Posted by: Maria at April 29, 2008 6:37 PM

"[He] is a son of an NHS consultant and was educated at some of Bristol's top independent schools."

He'll be out of jail before you know it.

Posted by: PMK at April 29, 2008 6:39 PM

Can you imagine sending thousands back, not to discuss, if you are talking about, sending millions back.

Yes. Yes, I can.

If deportation of muslims is not undertaken with all vigor, our lands will look like Persia, Egypt, Arabia, Pakistan, Kashmir, Sudan, Maldives, Indonesia, or any other country that has been taken over by Islam. Terrible oppression and darkness.

And every single soul that is taken because of Islam will be our burden. We will be personally responsible for every babe that dies at the hands of Islam. Every shriek and cry of every soul taken will be ours to cherish.

That is our legacy to this point. Pathetic and sickly. Because we are too weak to send them away let alone wage war upon them.

Sad.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at April 29, 2008 7:11 PM

I thought ony infidels like myself misunderstood Islam as apeaceful religion?

Posted by: Clifford at April 29, 2008 8:23 PM

And, as usual, the family are protesting total ignorance of what their family member was up to - they're shocked! shocked!:

QUOTE "Speaking ahead of his appearance in the London court, Mr Ibrahim's family spoke of their "shock" at the charges.

"In a statement, his relatives said: "As a family we have been shocked and deeply distressed by the events of the past fortnight.

"We are still coming to terms with the news and trying to deal with this shock as a family. We therefore would ask that the media respect our privacy at this extremely difficult time."..UNQUOTE

Oh yeaaah?

Given that this has been the standard response of every single Muslim family in Infidel lands, when their little jihadis are caught red-handed, I am afraid I am not exactly inclined to believe them.

Not without knowing a lot more about them - whether the mother was a convert to Islam, whether father was a practising Muslim and how much, what mosque they attended and how often, whether the 'independent school' was a Muslim or a non-Muslim school and who taught there, and how much contact young Ibrahim Jnr had with his dad (or with any other possible male relatives on his father's side).

Indeed, the reporter doesn't even explain whether the term 'family' just means 'dad, [separated] mum and younger brother', or whether it includes, also, "Muslim dad and a whole bunch of Muslim uncle/s and male cousin/s on the father's side".

I hope the British authorities are going through Ibrahim Snr's entire CV and background with a fine-tooth comb...keeping an eye open, especially, for any possible Muslim Brotherhood connections.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 29, 2008 9:38 PM

The boy being a convert can mean one of two things.

1) His dad is a Muslim, but his mom raised him as a Christian, at least nominally. His name is Andrew, after all.

2) His father could be an Egyptian Copt as the name Ibrahim can be either Muslim or Coptic (notice I did not say Christian, as Coptic is merely a racial and cultural designation used erroneously as a religious affiliation--- Since Copts, even atheists and non-religious ones are still copts). His father could be one of those Copts who marry white women and forget everything about his former life in Egypt…. It follows that he told the boy nothing about the history of Coptic persecution and the reality of how his relatives in Egypt live. Just a possibility. I could confirm it or deny it if I have the first name of the father.

Posted by: have_mercy at April 29, 2008 10:48 PM

havemercy

according to an earlier news report, the father's name is Nassif.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 29, 2008 11:10 PM

It turned out that his father is most likely a Copt as his first and last names (Nassif & Ibrahim) are neutral names that could be given to either groups, but in combination they are more suggestive of a Coptic man. Apparently, he was not raised by his father and he grew up with his English mother and her living lover. Seemingly, a typical Britt from a broken home growing up with an identity crisis… First, he was in the punk music counter-culture scene and then he moved to the other extreme, Islam. The sad thing is that his pre-Islam face looks like relatives of mine.

Posted by: have_mercy at April 29, 2008 11:14 PM