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Here is yet another case in which a jihadist does not consider himself a citizen of the infidel polity in which he resides, but as a citizen of the umma, the global Islamic community. This is a mainstream Islamic belief, the implications of which have yet to be considered by immigration authorities in the West. "Accused 'praised God' for attack," by Gary Hughes in The Australian (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
AN alleged member of a home-grown terrorist cell praised God in front of an undercover intelligence agent after hearing that Muslim insurgents had attacked Australian troops in Iraq.The undercover agent, identified only as Security Intelligence Officer 39, told a Victorian Supreme Court jury that he was at an Islamic religious class on June 27, 2004, when someone said there had been a media report about the attack on Australian troops.
He said Ahmed Raad, 24, who is charged with intentionally being a member of a terrorist organisation, said in Arabic in response to the news: "All praise to God."
SIO39 then testified that Mr Raad said his fellow Muslims were "worse than the enemy" because of their lack of action in relation to attacks on their "brothers".
At another meeting in September 2004, another alleged member of the Melbourne terror group, Fadl Sayadi, 28, defended Muslim rebels in Chechnya responsible for taking school children hostage, the undercover agent said.
He said Mr Sayadi said that God would prefer anything rather than "to see a single drop of Muslim blood spilt"....
SIO39 said he attended 13 religious classes organised by the Melbourne group, allegedly headed by Abdul Nacer Benbrika, 48, after infiltrating it by posing as a Turkish Muslim called Ahmet Sonmez who knew how to obtain explosives....
Posted by Robert at May 3, 2008 11:00 AM
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Mr Sayadi said that God would prefer anything rather than "to see a single drop of Muslim blood spilt"....
I assume that he actually used the term "Allah" rather than "God". If so, he sounds blasphemous to me. After all, lots of Moslem blood is being spilled, mostly by other Moslems; and we are told that everything that happens, happens by the will of Allah; therefore all this blood is being spilled by the will of Allah. So Allah clearly prefers the spilling of Moslem blood to lots of things.
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at May 3, 2008 11:31 AM
Also from the article:
He (SIO39) said that at a meeting on October 3, 2004, another alleged group member, Bassam Raad, 26, told him with a "degree of jest" that members of the group would be doing some "training" during a planned fishing trip to Eden on the NSW south coast.
Humor in Islam? Heresy! Raad must not have gotten Khomeini's memo. In any case, I'm imagining a jihadi style practical joke that might be played on unsuspecting "infidel" fish, such as dropping a grenade in the water, "in the cause of Allah," of course. It's very unsportsmanlike to fish this way, even illegal in most places, but the idea is to strike terror into the fish's hearts and NOT give them a fighting chance.
Fishing with hand grenades is a metaphor for the global jihad, you see?
at May 3, 2008 11:37 AM
He said Mr Sayadi said that God would prefer anything rather than "to see a single drop of Muslim blood spilt"....
So far, Allah isn't doing much of a job of it. The commomest cause of death for Muslims is other Muslims.
Posted by: give me doughnuts at May 3, 2008 11:58 AM
I'm losing hope:
Australia’s Race Discrimination Commissioner yesterday announced that the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission (HREOC) has approved 19 new projects aimed at building trust between the police and the Muslim communities living there.
http://www.brunei-online.com/weekend/news/may3h17.htm
at May 3, 2008 12:01 PM
Allah (Satan)loves any amount of blood to spill and any amount of people, no matter what religion or ethnicity, to die. Allah (Satan) knows his fate and is trying to take out as many souls as possible before he is defeated. He got Muhammad to start Islam which has resulted in an almost 1400 year crusade of death against the rest of the world.
Posted by: bigwhiteinfidel at May 3, 2008 12:05 PM
This is another one of those good examples that reminds us of how we intered Japanese Americans in Camps threw out Western America during the duration of the war. When it was all over there existed virtually no evidence that Japanese Americans would threaten, or attack their own country.
However the enemy we face today does come with that inclusive ideology in America in what has been coined as the jihad Invasion of America.
But very few of us recognize the Trojan Horse that is among us now.
They are on our campuses with 680 Muslim student Associations that have a Muslim Brotherhood connection. They are in hundreds of mosques across the country with Waahabist connections. They are represented by CAIR, the Congress of American Islamic relations. But our politicians do not see it, just as they could not see the invasion from Mexico.
And we have a woman candidate for President who will not inforce federal law against sanctuary cities because she wants that vote more than protecting our borders, and our sovereignty.
Posted by: Mackie at May 3, 2008 12:25 PM
An OT post. While following links this morning I found this site, not Earth-shaking but a window into the thinking of moslems.
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=3050
Notice the first answer....
at May 3, 2008 12:31 PM
Give away the undercover guy so he can't be used again why don't ya?
Posted by: Borg at May 3, 2008 12:58 PM
And it's my guess that this kind of evidence won't deter The Australian from importing even more Muslims into their country, anymore than its detered other Western countries from importing Muslims into their countries.
Posted by: rational at May 3, 2008 1:18 PM
interestinconundrum~ Also notice the first comment is from "An architect living and working in London, England." The conquerers are indeed within.
The Book
This looks like a Qoran , The Book of Mohamad. It is usually NOT sold but given away to the belivers. If you are not a Muslem , you should not touch it with your hand unless you have gloves on or you have coverd the book's out side with a cloth or some form of a cover.
by Bahramerad
That is Quran
The page on the right is 'Key' which is the first chapter.
Chapter 1
1:1 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
1:2 Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
1:3 The Almighty, the Merciful.
1:4 King of the Day of Judgment.
1:5 You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help.
1:6 Guide us to the straight path.
1:7 The path of those whom You have blessed, not those who have incurred the wrath, nor the misguided.
The page on the left shows the first three verses of chapter two
Chapter 2
In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
2:1 A.L.M.
2:2 This is the Scripture in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous.
2:3 Those who believe in the unseen, and honor the connection, and from Our provisions to them they spend.
on the bottem of the page on the left, another verse from the Quran is seen which actually means: "no one can grasp it (the Quran) except the sincere". This is miunderstood by vast majority of muslims to mean: Do not touch it if you are unclean or non-muslim.
hope this helps.
Majid, Iran
by baaraan
That really looks like quite the find. How many korans are printed using gold leaf? I would like to know the history of that book also. It should probably be in a museum. Some islamic misunderstander will probably break into his house and kill him for touching it.
Since it is the worlds most misunderstood book, even the sincere can't seem to grasp it. But since non-muslims are unclean they aren't allowed to even touch it by the misunderstanders of islam. Uh, yeah, right, baaraan.
at May 3, 2008 1:27 PM
interestinconundrum~ Also notice the first comment is from "An architect living and working in London, England." The conquerers are indeed within.
The BookThis looks like a Qoran , The Book of Mohamad. It is usually NOT sold but given away to the belivers. If you are not a Muslem , you should not touch it with your hand unless you have gloves on or you have coverd the book's out side with a cloth or some form of a cover.
by Bahramerad
That is Quran
The page on the right is 'Key' which is the first chapter.
Chapter 1
1:1 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
1:2 Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
1:3 The Almighty, the Merciful.
1:4 King of the Day of Judgment.
1:5 You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help.
1:6 Guide us to the straight path.
1:7 The path of those whom You have blessed, not those who have incurred the wrath, nor the misguided.The page on the left shows the first three verses of chapter two
Chapter 2
In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
2:1 A.L.M.
2:2 This is the Scripture in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous.
2:3 Those who believe in the unseen, and honor the connection, and from Our provisions to them they spend.on the bottem of the page on the left, another verse from the Quran is seen which actually means: "no one can grasp it (the Quran) except the sincere". This is miunderstood by vast majority of muslims to mean: Do not touch it if you are unclean or non-muslim.
hope this helps.
Majid, Iran
by baaraan
That really looks like quite the find. How many korans are printed using gold leaf? I would like to know the history of that book also. It should probably be in a museum. Some islamic misunderstander will probably break into his house and kill him for touching it.
Since it is the worlds most misunderstood book, even the sincere can't seem to grasp it. But since non-muslims are unclean they aren't allowed to even touch it by the misunderstanders of islam. Uh, yeah, right, baaraan.
at May 3, 2008 1:30 PM
"He said Mr Sayadi said that God would prefer anything rather than "to see a single drop of Muslim blood spilt"....
it becomes rather apparent that Mr Sayadi doesn't keep up with the news in the world.
someone should tell him Allah hates Muslims.
Posted by: pulsar182 at May 3, 2008 3:40 PM
You need to think/speak of the United States as an idea not a place.
Rejection of titles of nobility.
Rejection of domination by any religion.
A core feature of the Bill of Rights is recognition of individual liberty, in the context of an ever-present threat of an oppressive state.
We are, and were, an aberration in a hostile world. It is not the citizens of other places that we oppose, but their lack of liberty to experience free will.
The individual is the sole and exclusive origin of the experience. It will seek to find expression, unless some authoritarian pig can squash it out of the collective minds of those who would dare resist oppression.
A demand for freedom is like a virus, it can start real small and then multiply so fast that it consumes its host. It is the authoritarians that must constantly squash squash squash to maintain their grip.
As a proof -- of idea rather than place -- imagine that all of North America were leveled by some freak of nature. Would individual demand for expression of free will simply vanish? Of course not.
Can anyone refute the natural impulse of children to simply enjoy life to its fullest, all day long, until bed time? And they resist this natural call to sleep with all their might. Joy and laughter is often called "infectious." It is innate. (It is shared by all mammals.) It requires no explanation, only observation.
Whatever the umma is, it is under attack all day long, every day, worldwide . . . from within, regardless of the existence/nonexistence of the United States and regardless of the existence/nonexistence of people that carry a gene variation to express eyes that are blue.
at May 3, 2008 9:36 PM
You need to think/speak of the United States as an idea not a place.
You can look at it like that if you wish, but I will continue to think/speak of it as a place where ideas may be expressed.
The Ummah is a place, over a billion places. It has no capital or borders. There is only one ummah the Islamic community, and that is where ever a muslim is. It is possible to have an ummah of one, just as it is possible to have a committee of one. All muslims belong to the ummah, because, they 'are' the ummah. The only difference between ummah in the US and ummah in Europe, or MI, is a body of water.
It is Islam that is an idea and not a place. (unless you count Mekka as it's capitol).
America the beautiful is a land, the home of the free and the brave. And the free people of America subdued the land and upon it planted gardens, and vineyards, and fields of wheat, and built a great land. A place, not just an idea. What good are ideas, if you can't eat them? I get my best ideas on a full stomach, and that food was produced in America, from American dirt. What do hungry people think about? Food. Feed them and they will think about other stuff. There is nothing wrong with ideas. I have a few myself, but an idea without a place, is like the fish without a bicycle.
All ideas need a stage of expression. America is such a stage.
Ever wonder what happens to thoughts and ideas that never get acted on? That are never given a stage to act upon? Well, they don't go away...but that's another story...
at May 4, 2008 2:51 AM
"The individual is the sole and exclusive origin of the experience. It ...."
In the real world the individual is a he or a she , not an it...
That is one of the flaws in Islam. Islam strips the individuality from He or She.
Posted by: pulsar182 at May 4, 2008 7:21 AM
"It" refers to the experience. I can only speak from my own experience, and then extrapolate to what could be experienced by all.
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Potatoes and wheat are foreign to the United States, or rather their precise genetic formula is foreign to the United States. One can add water and essential nutrients and then make a dessert bloom. The principal scientific challenge, apart from individual incentives, is not so much the lack of surface area but the expulsion of salt from water that is used for irrigation. Water is the most critical enabler of all life.
If I buy a seed and plant it have I stolen it, or embraced it?
If I look at it and reject it, and starve, am I a fool?
Food exports from the United States are no less important than oil exports, from a geopolitical perspective. But there are always alternatives to imports.
The sound of America, the New World, is like the siren song of an appealing mermaid to the majority of the world's population. How -- or where -- does the world's population experience it if not first-hand? (Though this is subject to wild variations based on the purely subjective perspective of the observer or the tales that travelers may tell, for their own reasons.)
For people that travel to the fictional America it does become just a place, displacing the fiction with reality. America, and a desire to live a very long life, is far more alluring than a trip to Mecca. It certainly has more diversity of venues for public gathering. It inspires and encourages the innate will to live, rather than some unnatural will to die.
When I sing or laugh and you respond by crying, I take pity and ask why do you cry.
The stage is always the heart and mind of an individual. Is Plato's Atlantis a place or an idea? Does it matter? If you argue that it is a place can you slay the ideas by laying waste to the place? The place can be anyplace, but only in the timeless present contemporaneous with experience.
Posted by: ronled at May 4, 2008 2:57 PM
Lebanon is in a mess becuase Lebanese Muslims continue to pledge allegiance to Palestenian Jihadist rather than to the secular government. I call them traitors, unworthy rats!
Posted by: Lebanese at May 5, 2008 10:29 AM
"Lebanon is in a mess becuase Lebanese Muslims continue to pledge allegiance to Palestenian Jihadist rather than to the secular government. I call them traitors, unworthy rats!
Posted by: Lebanese "
I call them Syrians in transit..
at May 6, 2008 2:57 PM
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