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The fearless and insightful Andrew McCarthy tells the truth, truths we have been repeating here for years, on the bully pulpit of the Rush Limbaugh Show. Don't miss Andy's important new book about the Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman case and the jihad threat in general (along with our supine and fantasy-based response to it): Willful Blindness.
"Rush Interviews Andrew McCarthy," from Rush's site (thanks to Doc Washburn):
RUSH: It's great to have you here. Now, let's get started with this, because there's a lot to discuss with you. There are three themes in Andy's book, folks. The first theme is that a foreign threat to national security is fundamentally a political issue of self-defense that would involve military. It's not a legal issue involving lawyers and criminal law. The second theme is that we have been at war with these people -- declared by them -- since the late eighties, early nineties, and it wasn't taken seriously until 9/11. The third one is what's fascinating to me. I can't wait 'til we get to that portion. It's "You Can't Take the Islam Out of Islamic terrorism." Andy tried the blind sheik, and I'll let him tell you the story when we get there about preparing to cross-examine the blind sheik. He expected to find that this guy was just a fringe nut, making things up -- and nothing he said was made up about Islam. So let's start where you think we need to start for people to understand the threat that we still face, and maybe you want to do that by starting at the beginning and how you became aware of it.[...]
RUSH: And that, of course, helped you prepare your case. What was your role in the trial against the Blind Sheik?MCCARTHY: Well, I was the lead prosecutor, and that informant turned out to be the main witness in the case, and he was my witness, so I spent, you know, quite a bit of time studying what he had done and also, you know, having to do the other odds and ends that you do when you do a case like this, one of which was to try to get prepared in the event the Blind Sheik decided to testify, which, you know, ultimately he didn't do but that didn't mean we didn't have to prepare for it. And that was an eye-opener. In fact, the whole experience in watching the dynamic of him and other people in the Muslim community throughout the trial was a real eye-opener for me. I wanted to believe in 1993 the stuff that we were putting out, you know, that he basically perverted who was otherwise a peaceful doctrine. But what I found was going through all of his thousands of pages of transcripts and statements, was that when he cited scripture to justify acts of terrorism, to the extent he was quoting scripture or referring to it, he did it accurately, which shouldn't be a surprise.
RUSH: So you went in thinking this guy might be a fringe little kooky and perverting Islam, and you were stunned to find out that everything he said or proclaimed had a root basis?
MCCARTHY: That's correct. There's no other way of putting it. And it shouldn't have been a surprise. I mean, he was a doctor of Islamic jurisprudence, graduated from Al-Azhar University in Egypt. Why in the world I would have thought that I or the Justice Department would know more about Islam than he would is beyond me now that I look back on it, but back then I was pretty confident that we must have been right when we said that he was basically perverting the doctrine.
[...]
RUSH: And we resume our conversation with Andrew McCarthy; author of Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad. If you just missed it, we just finished a discussion of Andy being the lead prosecutor on the conviction of the Blind Sheik -- 1993 World Trade Center -- and I want to repeat this point because I think it's crucial. In preparing for the prosecution and possible witness testimony on the stand of the Blind Sheik -- who ended up not taking the stand -- you had to prepare for it, and you assumed him to be a fruitcake. Nobody, nobody's religion could actually have things in scripture that he was citing, and you found out everything he said was there. It opened your eyes, and I think this is the kind of thing... We're in the middle of a presidential campaign, and you've talked about the notion here that they declared war on us, you cite 1993. We didn't take it seriously until 2001. Do you think we still take it seriously?
MCCARTHY: We're taking it less seriously. I think there was a time right after 9/11, probably I put it at about 18 months -- probably into the Iraq operation, so longer than that -- that I think we really were taking it seriously. We certainly changed our enforcement methods. The Justice Department still had a role, but it was much more subordinate. The military was out front, which it needed to be in that phase, but there was a realization that it needed to be a wholesale government approach. But when I read things like what we've heard in the last few days about how we're getting guidance inside the government about purging our lexicon and saying things like jihadism and mujahideen and the like and --
RUSH: Wait. Wait, wait, wait! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Who's getting what? Guidance? Who in the government is sending this out to who?
MCCARTHY: Well, the reporting that's come out since -- I guess it was about April 24th -- is that the internal syncing at least in parts of the administration -- and this is something the State Department's pushed for a long time -- is that we make a mistake call jihadism, jihadism; because there are all kinds of jihad, not just forceable jihad. This is how the thinking goes. And, by the way, while there may be all kinds of jihad, jihad is a military concept. That's how it grew up. That's the reason there is a Muslim world in the first place. But secondly the idea is that when you call them jihadists, you are somehow emboldening them as if what they were relying on is how we regard them rather than how they see themselves. And that you also --
RUSH: So what are we supposed to call 'em?
MCCARTHY: Well, I'm down to thinking -- as I wrote in a piece in National Review a couple years ago, I think maybe -- we should just call it "Mabel" or something. Because it seems like everything that you say that touches on this... We're so intimidated by the idea that there's a religious label on this and everybody is so afraid of their shadow to talk about it, that whenever you say what is obvious -- which is that you can't take the "Islam" out of Islamic terror and that the main cause of this is not democracy or lack of democracy; or, you know, ancient hatreds or the economy, poverty, or whatever our excuse is this week. This is driven by doctrine. You know, we have poor people all over the world. They're not all committing terrorism.
RUSH: Are the leaders of this movement people of wealth? We know Bin Laden's a man of great wealth; his family was. I don't know about Zawahiri, but he was a doctor in Egypt. What about Rahman? Are the leaders of this movement who are getting hold of these young kids at very impressionable ages and turning them into little hate missiles, are they wealthy people? I mean, so many people in this country believe that it is our usurpation and actual stealing of the world's resources leading these poor people, these nomads with nothing, and they just hate us for that reason?
MCCARTHY: You know, that's a great point. The ideology that we're talking about here is 14 centuries old. It existed and thrived before there was a United States. It has commanded the allegiance of the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the educated and uneducated -- to some extent, Sunnis and Shi'ites, princes and paupers. You know, you can't pigeonhole one rationale for why it exists other than the obvious one, which is that it's a matter of doctrine and the people who believe it believe it's a divine injunction and that mankind doesn't have a right to make laws which run afoul of what they believe is the law that was handed down by Allah directly to Mohammed 14 centuries ago.
[...]
MCCARTHY: You know, Rush, that's exactly right. It actually brings me to another memory of the dynamic between the Blind Sheik and the community, which was an eye-opener and a frightening one to me. We had very long defense case in the case. It actually went on for about two months; and during the course of it, any number of moderate people came in -- and they really were authentic moderate people. There's no way on God's green earth they ever would have crossed into terrorism activity. But every now and then when they were on the stand, a question of theology would come up, of doctrine. You know, "What does jihad mean? What does this concept mean?" and at least three different times, they answered, "I wouldn't be competent to say. You'd have to ask someone like him about that."
RUSH: Meaning Rahman.
MCCARTHY: This was the homicidal maniac sitting in the corner of my courtroom. What it flagged for me was even though these people were very moderate and peaceful people -- you'd never see them be terrorists -- they were willing in a matter of importance in their own doctrine to rely on his viewpoint of it. The second thing is, the world is exactly as you've described it, and every place is not America. When you go overseas -- and particularly when you go to parts of the Muslim world where there's rampant illiteracy and where they think that learning the Koran is really the kit and caboodle of what you need in the way of education -- these fiery clerics, whatever we may think of them, are powerfully influential in those parts of the world; and it's not an accident that when you have the cartoons -- the Dutch cartoons come out or you have this woman in the Sudan who, you know, named the teddy bear Mohammed -- it's not a big surprise that you get riot on demand. When these guys say, "Islam has been insulted," when they say, "Islam is under siege," a lot of people snap to. They're very influential. It's frightening, and I think that we underestimate at our peril how much influence they have....
Posted by Robert at May 4, 2008 7:34 AM
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One swallow doth not make a summer...but perhaps, perhaps, the tipping point approaches, the paradigm shift, almost imperceptibly, begins.
"Say not the struggle naught availeth
the labour and the wounds are vain
the enemy faints not, nor faileth
and as things have been, they remain...
For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
seem here no painful inch to gain,
far back, through creeks and inlets making
comes silent, flooding in, the main.
And not by eastern windows only,
when daylight comes, comes in the light
in front the sun comes slow, how slowly -
but westward, look, the land is bright."
- Arthur Hugh Clough.
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at May 4, 2008 8:17 AM
Typo in the above (it's after 10 pm here and I'm slipping up):
Second last line of cited poem should read 'in front the sun CLIMBS slow, how slowly'.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 4, 2008 8:19 AM
Hilarious!
Sounds like the guy just lost his virginity...
But we still keep them coming; the state department is infiltrated and occupied by PC-idiots, Condi & Bush are diddling when the barn's on fire and we have a Musulmanic presidential candidate who is also a commie and a member of a black racist church.
Goodnight America!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 4, 2008 8:20 AM
”RUSH: So you went in thinking this guy might be a fringe little kooky and perverting Islam, and you were stunned to find out that everything he said or proclaimed had a root basis?
MCCARTHY: That's correct. There's no other way of putting it. And it shouldn't have been a surprise. I mean, he was a doctor of Islamic jurisprudence, graduated from Al-Azhar University in Egypt. Why in the world I would have thought that I or the Justice Department would know more about Islam than he would is beyond me now that I look back on it, but back then I was pretty confident that we must have been right when we said that he was basically perverting the doctrine. “
This is what is so hard to get people to see – they don’t want to even look into the matter but just to continue blissfully believing what they want to believe. I’ve tried to tell Catholic school teachers, pastors and principals that taking their children to visit a mosque and hear the imam speak as part of a misguided effort at “dialogue” was a foolish and dangerous misdeed, but to no avail. They never read the Koran nor check-out the links I send them. Indeed, the Catholic Church officially is stupidly complicit in maintaining the idea that Islam is just another respectable religion. The Christian Church’s idea of “dialogue” is just a pleasantly naive seeking of a “common ground” of faith with never a word of criticism or real inquiry, which could be taking as “demonizing” Islam. This plays right into their hands and legitimizes Islam in the eyes of millions of Christians. This, if anything, is a great sin.
Posted by: FM at May 4, 2008 8:57 AM
McCarthy: ". . .what we found right after the Trade Center bombing was that this same organization was plotting something that was even more ambitious and horrifying, which was an attack that would be simultaneous against the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the United Nations complex on the east side of Manhattan, and possibly also the FBI's downtown Manhattan headquarters. And they were going to try to hit them all at the same time. "
Should (heaven forbid) such a simultaneou attack involve not only infrastructure but such bastions of political obstruction in this "WoT" as the UN and FBI, one wonders if attitudes of said bastions would shift back away from PC/MC suicidal insanity.
Posted by: miira at May 4, 2008 8:58 AM
"...and particularly when you go to parts of the Muslim world where there's rampant illiteracy and where they think that learning the Koran is really the kit and caboodle of what you need in the way of education..."
As another poster put it, "Islamdumb."
Posted by: darcy at May 4, 2008 9:20 AM
And these are the people who would rule the world...
Posted by: duh_swami at May 4, 2008 9:58 AM
And these are the people who would rule the world...
Posted by: duh_swami at May 4, 2008 9:58 AM
Really. The best way to get 'em - laugh at 'em! They deserve to be laughed at!
at May 4, 2008 10:10 AM
But, the ROP® means peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYHeZCEFwhI
at May 4, 2008 10:21 AM
Andrew McCarthy hits a home run. I am glad Rush is making an effort to put this out there. If Rush can start to get it right about Islam and the real war we face...then it will help out alot with conservatives. Who knows, I might come back into the fold...
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at May 4, 2008 10:21 AM
But, the ROP® means peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYHeZCEFwhI
at May 4, 2008 10:21 AM
"This is driven by doctrine. You know, we have poor people all over the world. They're not all committing terrorism."
Qur'anic doctrine. Simple as that.
at May 4, 2008 10:25 AM
The second theme is that we have been at war with these people -- declared by them -- since the late eighties, early nineties, and it wasn't taken seriously until 9/11.
The war actually got going around 1979, when Dhimmy Carter pushed our good friend (and friend to Israel) the Shah of Iran out of office, and handed the country to the "reasonable men" who now run Iran.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at May 4, 2008 10:50 AM
Rush Limbaugh is a fairly big name in the US. Word should spread more quickly abnout jihad after this.
Posted by: carpediadem at May 4, 2008 10:51 AM
Thanks for posting this story- I heard part of the interview live on Rush when it aired, but came in late, so I wasn't sure who he was interviewing. My guess was Steven Emerson, obviously it wasn't, but it was very informative, and Limbaugh has a wide audience.
Posted by: s at May 4, 2008 10:52 AM
To add to my previous comment:
Dhimmy Carter basically installed our sworn enemy into power in Iran. Then, to show their appreciation, they humiliated Carter, and made him crawl and grovel to them by taking our embassy and holding the personnel hostage for 444 days. And boy did he grovel! (except for the rescue attempt)
The only good thing which came out of that was the way it ended. The slime in Iran showed their cowardice by picking on the little kid (Carter) until the Cowboy (Reagan) showed up, at which point THEY groveled.
Then, in the ultimate show of class, Reagan sent Carter to receive the hostages in Germany!
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at May 4, 2008 11:01 AM
This is great the more we tell and inform free peoples about the dangers to our values of democracy, freedom, liberty and human dignity, equality and equal justice under the law from sharia and Islam, the PC and false information about Islam can be countered. The silly thing is about the worse thing our leaders are doing is obfuscation and trying stupid things like using word phrases to not offend Moderate Muslims. As far as I am concerned there are no Moderate Muslims and if these so Moderate Muslims are there, then why are they not voicing their disapproval of these acts of violence and condemning Sharia and violent passages in the Koran? It would seen logical for these Moderate Muslims to see the that there is something inherently wrong with Islam and something to change it. But that is false and wishful thinking. The fact is and very few, very, very few Muslims who will fight Islam and Koran. Our leaders need to stop thinking about offending Moderate Muslims because this information there are getting is from the very Muslims who want to spread Islam and undermine our efforts to educate the Public about the true nature of Islam and Jihadi behavior originates from the programing from the koran.
Posted by: savsiv at May 4, 2008 11:11 AM
The difference between President Bush and President Kennedy: Kennedy knew when he was being diddled by the State Department, but Bush just lets those guys lead him around by the nose.
Kennedy was a real leader who was widely read and had intellectual depth. Do we have another Kennedy on the horizon? I'm looking...
at May 4, 2008 11:56 AM
Now I get it--the obvious allusion in the book's title to Sheik Omar's physical blindness. I readily understood that the book refers to metaphorical blindness.
This reminds me of Jesus of Nazareth's reproach to the obstinate, who demand proofs but knowingly fail to recognize them:
There are none so blind as those who have eyes, and yet will not see.Posted by: John C
at May 4, 2008 12:10 PM
This was an excellent interview and McCarthy has a definite clear handle on Islamic attitudes.
Posted by: Mackie at May 4, 2008 12:10 PM
But what I found was going through all of his thousands of pages of transcripts and statements, was that when he cited scripture to justify acts of terrorism, to the extent he was quoting scripture or referring to it, he did it accurately, which shouldn't be a surprise. - JW
which shouldn't be a surprise!!! I second that.
I don't know any Presidential candidate who is going to get us out of the mode of PC crap? Till we wake up to the reality, I don't mean JW folks, it aint gonne end till it kills millions. I think the folks in the high places aint dumb as we make'em out, at least their advisers aint. Is this a some kind of plan to finish us off?
at May 4, 2008 12:14 PM
Really. The best way to get 'em - laugh at 'em! They deserve to be laughed at!
Posted by: darcy at May 4, 2008 10:10 AM
Yep. That's the one thing they cannot tolerate!
at May 4, 2008 12:20 PM
My only comfort in all of this is that when the public figures it out, it will sweep like a title wave and turn everyone 180 degrees.
It could be horrific but at least a common cause will have been realized. Keep your powder dry folks it maybe bumpy ahead.
I liked the "lost virginity" phrase. Some will be ashamed, others mad and others in denial. That will be the time to not say 'I told you so' but to inform, support and lead.
Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at May 4, 2008 12:41 PM
"The ideology that we're talking about here is 14 centuries old"....from headline.
So what. Gangs have been around for centuries too.
Posted by: champ at May 4, 2008 12:45 PM
Slowly (arguably too slowly though) the truth about Islam is coming out. Very satisfying.
Posted by: Wellington at May 4, 2008 12:55 PM
You can't take the terrorism out of Islam, either. How much of the Koran would be left if one removed all the passages about fighting and subjugating the unbelievers? Would it be as much as 1/2? Or less?
Posted by: ebonystone at May 4, 2008 1:34 PM
you can't take the "Islam" out of Islamic terror and that the main cause of this is not democracy or lack of democracy; or, you know, ancient hatreds or the economy, poverty, or whatever our excuse is this week. This is driven by doctrine. - JW
Cowran without "terror" would be absolute mumble-jumble, as if it already isnt. Muslims without Cowran is like fish without water.
Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at May 4, 2008 1:44 PM
Great and timely interview. Hopefully, more influential people are listening!
Conquest model of Islamic terrorism: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=85447cc0-5bc0-4b50-bd31-7718a136d661
Excerpts:
“Islamic scripture is predominantly political and that the religion itself was probably designed to extend Islam's founder Mohammed's powerbase upon an edifice of theology.
That a conquest-based ideology should use religion in its framework should be no surprise. Religion provides enduring and powerful legitimacy, inspires followers and helps impose the will of a civilization on unsuspecting alien populations.“
Posted by: MoorthyM at May 4, 2008 1:48 PM
Islam - not a religion. Time to call this cult "Mabel".
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at May 4, 2008 1:56 PM
Hi JW folks, I have just received this email which should be distributed to every one who is concerned - my sincere thanks.
Subject: SCARY Religion
This is very interesting and a bit scary
... But is it scary enough to generate something
besides talk?
I'm afraid far too many Catholics,
Protestants, and Jews will wait until it hits them
upside the head on a very personal level before they
will do something besides talk about it But by then
it will be too late.
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing
religion per capi ta in the United States , especially in the minority races!!!
Allah or The Lord Jesus Christ? .. By Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training
session that's required for maintaining my state
prison security clearance. During the training
session there was a presentation by three speakers
representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and
Muslim faiths, who e! xplained each of their beliefs
I was particularly interested in what the
Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great
presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to
the Imam and asked:
"Please, correct me if I'm
wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all
Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If
that's the case, can you give me the definition of
an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements
and , without hesitation, he replied,
"Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this
straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?"
The expression on his face changed from one of
authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar."
He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope Benedict commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Charles Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!"
The Imam was speechles s!
I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam
hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the
organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification'
training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of
dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth
about the Muslims' beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim
voters in the U.S. To elec t the President! I think
! everyone in the U.S. Should be required to read
this, but with our liberal justice system, liberal
media and the ACLU, there is no way this will be
widely publicized. The most puzzling thing to me
is... Once Islam takes over, there will no longer be
a liberal media or an ACLU, or a liberal justice
system. So in effect, they are slitting their own
throats by not publicizing this.
If you will, please pass this on to your
e-mail contacts. At least that is one thing we can
all do. Then no one can say they were not warned in
time.
This is a true story and the author, Rick
Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry.
The man who walks with God always gets to his
destina tion.
If you have a pulse you have a purpose.
at May 4, 2008 3:17 PM
I’ve tried to tell Catholic school teachers, pastors and principals that taking their children to visit a mosque and hear the imam speak as part of a misguided effort at “dialogue” was a foolish and dangerous misdeed, but to no avail.
by FM
Chalk it up to the Crusades. The Catholic Church has allowed itself to be stripped of all legitimacy where the birthplace of Jesus is concerned. It has allowed the history books to be rewritten so that the Crusades are seen as an offensive move by the European Christian community against the native Muslim communities of the Middle East. The very real excesses of the Crusades have been used to deny them any legitimacy. Despite its just war doctrine, today's Church is almost completely pacifist. All you need is love. Thus, the mosque.
Posted by: PMK at May 4, 2008 4:12 PM
from C. Snouck Hurgronje in "Mohammedanism" 1916
"It is a principal duty of the Khalif, or of the chiefs considered as his substitutes in different countries, to avail themselves of every opportunity to extend by force the dominion of Allah and His Messenger. With unsubdued unbelievers PEACE is not ALLOWED; a truce for a period not exceeding ten years may be concluded if the interest of Islam requires it."
Posted by: EugeneNow! at May 4, 2008 4:20 PM
Should (heaven forbid) such a simultaneou attack involve not only infrastructure but such bastions of political obstruction in this "WoT" as the UN and FBI, one wonders if attitudes of said bastions would shift back away from PC/MC suicidal insanity.
Posted by: miira
Not likely. It would be more of our "chickens coming home to roost". They would only point up the reasons the world hates us, like Iraq. If the UN or a seat of the US government is hit, it would almost automatically be labeled "an inside job". Expect to hear that the security measures put in place after 9/11 could have been neutralized only by someone on the inside. (Never mind that they have been hiring Muslims in secure positions!)
If it's a department that has been obstructing the "WoT", you can bet the "neocons" will be accused of this one too. (After all, George W. Bush brought down the WTC, right?)
at May 4, 2008 4:22 PM
Really. The best way to get 'em - laugh at 'em! They deserve to be laughed at!
Posted by: darcy
Absitively! But if we laugh at them we offend them and if we offend them they might not like us and if they don't like us they might......
Political correctness will kill us faster than Islamic terrorism. In just a few short years, it's gotten further than Islam did in fourteen centuries! We might as well laugh! It beats crying.
Posted by: PMK at May 4, 2008 4:25 PM
"...MCCARTHY: That's correct. There's no other way of putting it. And it shouldn't have been a surprise. I mean, he was a doctor of Islamic jurisprudence, graduated from Al-Azhar University in Egypt. Why in the world I would have thought that I or the Justice Department would know more about Islam than he would is beyond me now that I look back on it, but back then I was pretty confident that we must have been right when we said that he was basically perverting the doctrine..."
Why are we listening to this "federal prosecutor" and what he has to say?
Where is the soothsayer Jonesey when you need him, you know, the know-it-all with a guitar, I trust his judgement over some "federal prosecutor".
Where are ya jonesey, what's your take on it?
BTW, I heard the interview live, it was great. Rush asked all the right questions. The revelations Mr. McCarthy had while preparing his case and going through with it during the trial no doubt significantly affected him; which happens to all who actually look into to Islam to see what happens when its practiced by the 'faithful muslim'.
at May 4, 2008 4:53 PM
Where are ya jonesey, what's your take on it? --An_Arbreshe.
The "onecalledjonesy" was banned because he was an imbecile. For many reasons. Who cares what his "take" is?
Posted by: darcy at May 4, 2008 5:11 PM
Obviously darcy, you completely missed the sarcasm of my post.
Posted by: An_Arbreshe at May 4, 2008 5:20 PM
Obviously darcy, you completely missed the sarcasm of my post.
Posted by: An_Arbreshe at May 4, 2008 5:20 PM
Perhaps it wasn't effective sarcasm.
at May 4, 2008 5:41 PM
Laughing at Islam...The trick of using laughter is not to use it to insult, or belittle Islam, we can do that without laughter. The trick is to 'try' and get the muslim to see the humor in it, and laugh with you. This is very difficult because muslims have no funny bone to speak of. Mohammad had none at all. Is there any hadith that speaks of Mohammad laughing? Maybe, but there can't be many because Mohammad never laughed. If you can get a muslim to laugh at any silly part of the Quran, you have created an apostate. The problem is, of course, that a good muslim sees no silly part of the Quran.
That's where the skills of an Islam wise laugher come into play. It can be a dangerous undertaking
to try and get a muslim to laugh at the Quran,
and only those who have advanced degree's in
laughology should attempt it. You will not get a sincere giggle out of a muslim, much less a belly laugh if you insult Islam, or the Prophet.
There are times when laughter is inappropriate, but when it is, lay it on. A laughing muslim is a peaceful muslim...'Always leave them laughing'...
at May 4, 2008 5:42 PM
Really. The best way to get 'em - laugh at 'em! They deserve to be laughed at!
Posted by: darcy at May 4, 2008 10:10 AM
Yep. That's the one thing they cannot tolerate!
Posted by: Abscedere at May 4, 2008 12:20 PM
Yep! So, mock, ridicule, and deride away! The more the better! They can't stand it!
at May 4, 2008 5:43 PM
"...Perhaps it wasn't effective sarcasm..."
More than likely you can't read effectively.
I don't know darcy, me calling jonesy a..."know-it-all with a guitar", really seems like I'm holding him in high esteem, doesn't it?
BTW, that was more sarcasm for you.
Posted by: An_Arbreshe at May 4, 2008 6:07 PM
Oh, shut up.
Posted by: darcy at May 4, 2008 6:16 PM
"... it's a matter of doctrine and the people who believe it, believe it's a divine injunction and that mankind doesn't have a right to make laws which run afoul of what they believe is the law that was handed down by Allah directly to Mohammed 14 centuries ago".
== == == == == == ==
We need to keep that little snippet circulating in the blogosphere.
Followed by: "Sorry folks, you can't pin your hopes on alleged "moderate" Muslims taking the reins of Islam and guiding it away from violence. The exhortations are RIGHT THERE IN THE BOOK, which, to Muslims, is the Literal Word of God, forever true."
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at May 4, 2008 6:50 PM
McCarthy gave a great presentation. It came across way better than it reads.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at May 4, 2008 8:10 PM
"Why in the world I would have thought that I or the Justice Department would know more about Islam than he would is beyond me now that I look back on it, but back then I was pretty confident that we must have been right when we said that he was basically perverting the doctrine..."
In other words, we at Justice were so damned cocksure that we knew Islam better than its lifelong students and practitioners, we who might have heard or read a passage or two of the early, "tolerant" Qur'an and assumed that the entire corpus was more of the same. Call it quintessential American arogance, you know, the kind that gets people killed. I know better now.
Posted by: Lex at May 4, 2008 8:14 PM
The Big-Lie that CAIR doesn't want exposed is that the Muslims in the USA that are Citizens only make up about 0.0008% of the Worlds Muslim population and Ergo.....CAIR's endless rants about Peace are only a Minority opinion about islam because 99.9992% of Muslims live outside of the USA .
This means that the pro-shria and Jihad supporters are the majority while CAIR is the group spewing Lies to Americans under Muhammads taqqiyah to fool the enemy in to a lull befor a sudden Terrorizing of the unbelivers as the Quran details .
The next time Hooper opens his mouth about the peaceful islam he should be forced to produce the lists for all the islamic org.'s outside of the USA that agree with him , other than that he should shut-up and crawl back into his spider-hole to whine to the dirt and rocks that have more brains than his Imam's that he touts as examples of Justice fighters for peace.
Either that or point out to him that he actually does more damage to Muslims by asserting that that are predisposed to violence and murder when he claims other people made Muslims become suicide bombers and mass-murderers.
It's the Quran, stupid !
at May 4, 2008 9:13 PM
The Big-Lie that CAIR doesn't want exposed is that the Muslims in the USA that are Citizens only make up about 0.0008% of the Worlds Muslim population and Ergo.....CAIR's endless rants about Peace are only a Minority opinion about islam because 99.9992% of Muslims live outside of the USA .
This means that the pro-shria and Jihad supporters are the majority while CAIR is the group spewing Lies to Americans under Muhammads taqqiyah to fool the enemy in to a lull befor a sudden Terrorizing of the unbelivers as the Quran details .
The next time Hooper opens his mouth about the peaceful islam he should be forced to produce the lists for all the islamic org.'s outside of the USA that agree with him , other than that he should shut-up and crawl back into his spider-hole to whine to the dirt and rocks that have more brains than his Imam's that he touts as examples of Justice fighters for peace.
Either that or point out to him that he actually does more damage to Muslims by asserting that that are predisposed to violence and murder when he claims other people made Muslims become suicide bombers and mass-murderers.
It's the Quran, stupid !
at May 4, 2008 9:14 PM
Robert, and you're doing your Rush interview when?.....
Seriously, this is Big, that the truth broke out on a show as big as Rush's. If this continues, you'll be there to school Rush further, who's been one of the biggest disappointments on this most important of issues. We'll see.
at May 4, 2008 9:43 PM
The scales (self-applied through willful negligence and shocking derelection of the most basic intellectual duty) are finally falling off.
About godd*mned time.
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 5, 2008 12:04 AM
Rush could always interview Joseph Myers and Stephen Coughlin, next.
THEN Spencer, Bat Yeor, Trifkovic, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Magdi Cristiano Allam, apostate of Islam, from Egypt and Italy. He could be asked about his book, Viva Israele.
Bishop Patrick Sookhdeo, apostate from Islam and now Anglican Bishop, from the UK. Sookhdeo has written a book on the Global Jihad.
V S Naipaul? - his memories of Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia could be revisited; and his account of what Jihad did to India.
Lots of interesting, articulate people out there - Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, atheist, Jewish, all able to lay it right on the line concerning jihad and sharia. Joe Public in radioland needs to hear them.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 5, 2008 5:44 AM
l was just thrilled to hear author Andrew McCarthy on Rush's show! Rush's show even though the MSM trys to paint it far right is heard by millions across the US and most parts in Canada! l know l keep bombarding Rush's email for having Robert on his show and l am sure its most unsettling for the likes of CAIR and their cohorts. yesterday l went to local bookstore to obtain McCathy's book (chapters) and it was not there.. same thing happened with Robert's last books. l noticed that when l ordered Robert's books, it was followed by more of his books
stocked in this bookstore. l guess they do go after those dollars even though its owned by left looney liberals! lol
at May 5, 2008 8:49 AM
MCCARTHY: Well, I'm down to thinking -- as I wrote in a piece in National Review a couple years ago, I think maybe -- we should just call it "Mabel" or something.
I can't wait for Hugh's filk of 'Whenever Mabel Comes In The Room'.
the Dutch cartoons come out
Because the Danes were too busy making Fitna?
WSW
Posted by: Wild Slutty Womens at May 5, 2008 12:15 PM
Try Google-ing "Escape from a Brooklyn Mosque"....and discover for yourselves that the Jihad is alive and well (perhaps better than ever.)in New York.
Posted by: Miluimnik at May 5, 2008 12:51 PM
Shouts of encouragement must be going up all over America today.
More and more of us have come to understand Islam as its god and founder intended, and finally we have a major leader of public opinion who gets it.
dumbledoresarmy is right; this is the tipping point.
Our leaders have been too fearful of being called a name, too dumb, or too greedy for political power (and Muslim money) to tell the truth about Islam.
But now that Rush gets it, others have to follow. Hannity, Hugh Hewitt, Glenn Beck, etc. -- this means you!
This is a good day.
May 5th is now an American holiday.
Posted by: Amillennialist at May 5, 2008 3:56 PM
dumbledoresarmy got it right I think in the very first comment in this thread: this is a breakthrough, a sign of hope. Dumbledoresarmy cited an excellent poem to the purpose.
Spencer deserves a lot of the credit for tirelessly pushing the truth through so many creeks and inlets until it finally floods into the main...
...through creeks and inlets making
comes silent, flooding in, the main.
McCarthy on the Rush Limbaugh show saying what he said. Thrice excellent.
Posted by: traeh at May 5, 2008 5:03 PM
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