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He also pines for Sharia in America and recommends hijab as a preventative for rape. And when he recommends that every Muslim be a terrorist, he means that "Muslims should terrorize the anti-social elements in society. He should terrorize the robber, the decoy, the rapist."
The decoy?
Anyway, this is an exhortation to thuggery wrapped in moral standards. Certainly the robber, the rapist, and maybe even the "decoy" should not be tolerated. But terrorized? What exactly does Ashraf Mohamedy mean? Perhaps that they should be crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, as per Qur'an 5:33, so that terror will be struck into their hearts, as per Qur'an 8:60?
"Indian Cleric Ashraf Mohamedy: Every Muslim Should Be a Terrorist against the Anti-Social Elements in Society," from MEMRI, April 22 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Indian cleric Ashraf Mohamedy, which aired on Peace TV on April 22, 2008:[...]
"Allah Has Instructed Us to Follow the Hijab, So That Women Can Be Saved From Rape And Molestation"
Ashraf Mohamedy: "There are two twin sisters who are equally identical and equally good looking, and they are walking down the street. At the corner there is a hooligan waiting for a catch, waiting to tease someone. One of the sisters is putting on the Islamic hijab, that is, covering herself completely, except for the face and the hands up to the wrist, and the other sister is dressed in a miniskirt.
"Who is the hooligan going to tease - the sister in the hijab or the one in the miniskirt? Of course he will tease the sister in the miniskirt!
[...]
"Allah has instructed us to follow the hijab, so that women can be saved from rape and molestation. In Islam, there is capital punishment for the rapist. Whenever we say this to non-Muslim brothers, they react by saying that Islam is a cruel law, that it is a barbaric law. But believe me, Islamic law gets results.
[...]
"Western society, in the name of women's liberalization, has exploited the body of the woman, has degraded her soul, and has deprived her of her honor. They have converted women into mistresses, concubines, and society butterflies, who are mere tools in the hands of sex marketers and pleasure seekers.
"In America, according to statistics of the FBI, in 1990, the cases of rape were 1,750, and later on, 1,900. The Americans got a bit bolder. The latest statistics, of 1996, say that now the rate has gone up to 2,117 rapes taking place every day.
"If the Islamic shari'a is applied in America, if every man, whenever he sees a woman, would lower his gaze, if every woman is asked to cover herself completely, except for the face and hands up to the wrist, and if there is capital punishment for the rapist - will the rate of crime go up, remain the same, or come down in America? Of course it will come down! Islam gives dignity and protection to the women in Islam, and that is just the reason why Islam has prescribed the hijab." [...]
"Every Muslim Should Be Proud to Be a Fundamentalist Muslim"
"Another misconception among non-Muslim brothers and sisters is that Muslims are fundamentalists and terrorists. They say and allege that you are terrorists and fundamentalists. Let's analyze the meaning of fundamentalism. If a person wants to be a good doctor, then he should know, he should follow, and should practice the teachings of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine.
"If a person wants to be a very good scientist, he should know, he should follow, and he should practice the teachings of science. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of science. Similarly, if a person wants to be a good mathematician, he should know, he should follow, and he should practice the teachings of mathematics. In other words, he should be fundamentalist in the field of mathematics.
"We cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush, for a fundamentalist robber causes harm to the society, and that is highly disagreed upon. That is highly irresponsible. But at the same time, a fundamentalist doctor causes good in society. He cures and he heals, and he is much desired by society.
"I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim, because I know, I follow, and I strive to practice the teachings of Islam. Every Muslim should be proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim. That is because none of the teachings of Islam causes any harm to society. On the contrary, it causes.... it gives benefits to society. On the basis of this knowledge, every Muslim should be proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim." [...]
"I Repeat: Every Muslim Should Be a Terrorist"
"I would stress that every Muslim should be a terrorist. I repeat: Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who terrifies others, who terrorizes others. That is precisely the reason we have the police. As soon as the robber sees the policeman, he is terrified, he is terrorized. Similarly, the Muslims should terrorize the anti-social elements in society. He should terrorize the robber, the decoy, the rapist. I know that 'terrorist' is taken as a concept of a person who terrorizes the common man. But we Muslims should be terrorists for the anti-social elements in society."
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"But we Muslims should be terrorists for the anti-social elements in society," such as infidels.
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at May 9, 2008 12:33 PM
I'd like to see his followers try beating the next "lewd" police decoy in their neighborhood.
Posted by: John C at May 9, 2008 12:36 PM
Word games. Let's re-define every word and water it down so that no words mean what they are generally recognized to mean. Yes, "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
And while we are at it let's stop using the word jihad to describe...jihadists, and stop referring to Islamic terrorists as...Islamic. Illegal aliens become "undocumented workers," and I even heard someone suggest (jokingly) that crack dealers should be referred to as "unlicensed pharmacists," to avoid offense.
Yes, this will all be a big help to us all. Good becomes bad, bad becomes good, and we all become confused and indifferent, except the jihadists. They know exactly what they mean, who the enemy is, and how to gain victory.
Posted by: cumulusnine at May 9, 2008 12:56 PM
So the hijab prevents rape?
Is that why rape and the honor killings that follow are pretty much nonexistent in any Islamic country?
Posted by: BurgerBoy at May 9, 2008 1:00 PM
"I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim, because I know, I follow, and I strive to practice the teachings of Islam. Every Muslim should be proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim. That is because none of the teachings of Islam causes any harm to society. On the contrary, it causes.... it gives benefits to society. On the basis of this knowledge, every Muslim should be proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim."
Can we please dispense with the "small group that have hijacked Islam"?
And if the overwhelming majority (>90%) of peaceful Muslims don't reject this man loudly and tell the ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD that he and his ilk are wrong (we non-Muslims have heard it enough to make us sick) then can we please dispense with the canard of "peaceful" Muslims?
If this man is not challenged then each and every Muslim needs to be challenged: what about Islam can a non-Muslim consider peaceful?
Posted by: PMK at May 9, 2008 1:05 PM
"In America, according to statistics of the FBI, in 1990, the cases of rape were 1,750, and later on, 1,900. The Americans got a bit bolder. The latest statistics, of 1996, say that now the rate has gone up to 2,117 rapes taking place every day.
What was the Muslim population of the US in 1990, prior to the Persian Gulf War?
How much of this increase can be traced directly to Muslim immigrants who think a woman who shows her legs deserves to be raped?
at May 9, 2008 1:09 PM
He means dacoit
Posted by: 2pacshakur at May 9, 2008 1:14 PM
Yeah - what PMK said!!
Posted by: champ at May 9, 2008 1:15 PM
"He should terrorize the robber, the decoy, the rapist".....from headline.
Muhammad fits that description:
Robber = Muhammad
Decoy = Muhammad (false prophet)
Rapist = Muhammad
Islam is evil from within, so we are better off WITHOUT it.
Posted by: champ at May 9, 2008 1:28 PM
This guy is a wannabe Zakir Naik.
Naik is the original brain dead retard muslim preacher and some parts of this morons speech are lifted verbatim from what Naik said earlier.
Naik, btw, is the genius who said that pigs are the most shameless animals on earth because the male pig invites other pigs to have sex with it's mate. Therefore if you eat pork you will behave like that.
Posted by: Sanwin at May 9, 2008 1:36 PM
This guy is a wannabe Zakir Naik.
Naik is the original brain dead retard muslim preacher and some parts of this morons speech are lifted verbatim from what Naik said earlier.
Naik, btw, is the genius who said that pigs are the most shameless animals on earth because the male pig invites other pigs to have sex with it's mate. Therefore if you eat pork you will behave like that.
Posted by: Sanwin at May 9, 2008 1:37 PM
This guy is a wannabe Zakir Naik.
Naik is the original brain dead retard muslim preacher and some parts of this morons speech are lifted verbatim from what Naik said earlier.
Naik, btw, is the genius who said that pigs are the most shameless animals on earth because the male pig invites other pigs to have sex with it's mate. Therefore if you eat pork you will behave like that.
Posted by: Sanwin at May 9, 2008 1:38 PM
Seems like I screwed up. sorry for the duplicate posts.
Posted by: Sanwin at May 9, 2008 1:40 PM
"Allah has instructed us to follow the hijab, so that women can be saved from rape and molestation." -- so says Ashraf Mohamedy
Aisha must not have been wearing the hijab; if she had been, Mohammed would not have molested her.
"In Islam, there is capital punishment for the rapist." -- so says Ashraf Mohamedy
Only if rape is proven; if it's not, then more likely it's capital punishment for the rapee. And it's very difficult to prove according to Islamic "law". It's a good guess that in Islamic countries more rape victims are executed each year than rapists.
at May 9, 2008 1:41 PM
"But believe me, Islamic law gets results." Yeah, it sure does, but at the cost of human freedom. I say no thanks to Sharia but do thank New Hampshire: Live Free Or Die.
Posted by: Wellington at May 9, 2008 1:42 PM
Adding to "cumulusnine's" earlier comments, I think it should be noted that this guy is on "Peace TV." Very Orwellian.
Posted by: mitch_b at May 9, 2008 1:42 PM
Mohamedy says "Allah Has Instructed Us to Follow the Hijab, So That Women Can Be Saved From Rape And Molestation"
== == == == ==
Well, that's the first lie: "Allah" didn't tell anybody anything. Mohammed-the-Malignant-Narcissist invented all these "divine dictates" of his newly-invented religion in order to maximize his share of war-booty, sex slaves, wives, power and prestige in some backward 7th century desert in the middle of nowhere.
The whole "religion" thing is a lie: Islam is not a religion but a totalitarian social order based on rigidity, power, and savage enforcement. Islam has NO place in the West. It needs to be quarantined.
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at May 9, 2008 1:45 PM
That is because none of the teachings of Islam causes any harm to society. On the contrary, it causes.... it gives benefits to society.
And thus the reason every muslim society is such a garden of eden. The only muslim countries that aren't sh$%holes are the ones that have gobs of oil. And they are just sh%^holes with modern buildings and Rolls Royces on the streets.
And from my observations (thanks to this and other similar websites) most rapes in muslim countries result in the death of the victim for the mere crime of being raped.
In the movie Dragnet the character Joe Friday said "two things separate us from the animals, we use cutlery and we control our sexual urges". According to the Australian imam, muslim men can't control their sexual urges, nor do they need to.
Posted by: walterc at May 9, 2008 2:00 PM
Yea... what BurgerBoy said.
Posted by: undaunted at May 9, 2008 2:10 PM
You are being unfair to the guy in one respect: he actually says the word 'dacoit' but MEMRI mis-transcribed it.
Posted by: wallyUK at May 9, 2008 2:11 PM
"Similarly, the Muslims should terrorize the anti-social elements in society. He should terrorize the robber, the decoy, the rapist."
Just another sick mind, the product of a spiritually sick religion that produced a dydfunctional society, where evil is good and good is evil.
God forgive us for importing this sickness into our society.
Posted by: rational at May 9, 2008 2:12 PM
"Similarly, the Muslims should terrorize the anti-social elements in society. He should terrorize the robber, the decoy, the rapist."
Just another sick mind, the product of a spiritually sick religion that produced a dydfunctional society, where evil is good and good is evil.
God forgive us for importing this sickness into our society.
Posted by: rational at May 9, 2008 2:13 PM
Yea, what BurgerBoy said.
Posted by: undaunted at May 9, 2008 2:13 PM
Only an Islamophobe would quote a Muslim in context and accurately summarize their own statements and intentions, Mr. Spencer.
How dare you?
Posted by: Grafted at May 9, 2008 2:14 PM
When Ashraf Mohamedy makes the analogy between fundamentalism in science (including fields like mathematics and medicine) and fundamentalism in Islam he misses the point completely. Being a fundamentalist in the former venture means following the "scientific method"; it means continuously searching for and incorporating new ideas, that have been shown by peer review and testing to demonstrate a deeper understanding of principles and processes, into the larger body of human knowledge. Though there are areas where this lofty goal seems to be ignored; "political science" and parts of "environmental science" come to mind, Western Civilization has done a generally admirable job of pursuing it.
Being a fundamentalist in Islam means nearly the exact opposite: use argument by authority to reject new ideas without examination, the whole purpose being to keep Islamic principles static. Fundamentalist Islam is an exercise in mental and verbal gymnastics designed to forever land the believer where he started. Mohamedy's arguments and daily new reports demonstrate that Islam meets this design goal.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at May 9, 2008 2:16 PM
That is because none of the teachings of Islam causes any harm to society. On the contrary, it causes.... it gives benefits to society.
And thus the reason every muslim society is such a garden of eden. The only muslim countries that aren't sh$%holes are the ones that have gobs of oil. And they are just sh%^holes with modern buildings and Rolls Royces on the streets.
And from my observations (thanks to this and other similar websites) most rapes in muslim countries result in the death of the victim for the mere crime of being raped.
In the movie Dragnet the character Joe Friday said "two things separate us from the animals, we use cutlery and we control our sexual urges". According to the Australian imam, muslim men can't control their sexual urges, nor do they need to.
Posted by: walterc at May 9, 2008 2:23 PM
"Who is the hooligan going to tease - the sister in the hijab or the one in the miniskirt? Of course he will tease the sister in the miniskirt!"
Whereupon, the sister in the mini will pull out her cute little .22 and put a bullet into him. God bless the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: bevc at May 9, 2008 2:25 PM
From my 2:16 PM pose:
"When Ashraf Mohamedy makes the analogy between fundamentalism in science (including fields like mathematics and medicine) and fundamentalism in Islam he misses the point completely."
... Then again, if his point is to confuse, cajole, and convince people that a tyrannical Islamic political system is in their best interests, he doesn't miss his point at all.
at May 9, 2008 2:27 PM
From my 2:16 PM post:
"When Ashraf Mohamedy makes the analogy between fundamentalism in science ... and fundamentalism in Islam he misses the point completely."
... Then again, if his point is to confuse, cajole, and convince people that a tyrannical Islamic political system is in their best interests, he doesn't miss his point at all.
at May 9, 2008 2:30 PM
I seem to be re-repeating myself... again.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at May 9, 2008 2:33 PM
Does it strike you, as it does me, that everywhere you go, these muslim leaders are saying exactly the same thing? It must mean that terrorism and barbarism are part of islam!
"Allah Has Instructed Us to Follow the Hijab, So That Women Can Be Saved From Rape And Molestation"
I have a better idea: punish the creep severly who rapes and/or molests a woman. Don't punish the woman by making her wear a tent everywhere she goes.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at May 9, 2008 2:39 PM
In Islam, there is capital punishment for the rapist.
Really? I could probably go along with this provision, if there was an equitable justice system in Islam; unfortunately for the poor woman, there isn't. Any woman crazy enough to accuse a man of raping her will, instead of getting justice, get accused of adultery!
Don't you just love these double-talking, hypocritical creeps!
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at May 9, 2008 2:51 PM
"Allah Has Instructed Us to Follow the Hijab, So That Women Can Be Saved From Rape And Molestation"
Wouldnt it been easier for Allah to instruct Muslim males NOT to rape and molest women?
at May 9, 2008 2:52 PM
I just thought of another islamic provision that I might be able to agree with, if there was an equitable legal system in islam.
I call it the "Leona Bobbit" provision (ah ha, you all know where I'm going with this!): If a man is definitely proved to be guilty of rape, molestation, or other such crime, in the spirit of Sharia (which likes to cut off hands and feet), I say, cut off his you-know-what! After all, that's what he used to commit the crime.
How many muslim imams would support such a law? Don't hold your breath...
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at May 9, 2008 2:58 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eeDDb5VYwbY
Here's yer Every Muslim Should Be a Terrorist Interlude, Mista Fitzgerald.
Posted by: Jewel Atkins at May 9, 2008 3:32 PM
"Who is the hooligan going to tease - the sister in the hijab or the one in the miniskirt? Of course he will tease the sister in the miniskirt!
--
The answer is clear. Why should the woman have to wear ugly uncomfortable and restrictive garments when by the man's own admission it's "hooligans" - nice term for moslem rapists - who ared responsible for the crimes?
I suggest that moslems be fitted with "member restraining devices" since it is they who are the potential rapists.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at May 9, 2008 3:34 PM
When the Nazis wer4e runnign Germany there was also a lot less crime and the trains ran on time.
Menwhile it was the Nazis themselves who committed far greater crimes than were ever perpetrated.
Now let's shine the spotlight on iran and SOWdi Barbaria and what do we see..?
I see direct parallels to Nazi Germany.
sharia = fascism
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at May 9, 2008 3:41 PM
A niqab or burkha is good for hiding the knife or gun. Only. Otherwise it is somewhat a constriction for the proper ass kicking a man should endure if he should harass a girl. Girls should be counter-intuitive when it comes to dealing with the Perpetually Horny Morally Outraged Males of the Much Maligned Religion of Peace™
Posted by: Jewel Atkins at May 9, 2008 3:41 PM
If Shaira law is such a deterrent to rape, why the need for Muslim women to wear Hefty bags?
Posted by: Elric66 at May 9, 2008 4:08 PM
Aisha must not have been wearing the hijab; if she had been, Mohammed would not have molested her.
by ebonystone
Now you have to wear the hijab. Oh well, never let it be said that Mohammed didn't learn from his mistakes.
If a man is definitely proved to be guilty of rape, molestation, or other such crime, in the spirit of Sharia (which likes to cut off hands and feet), I say, cut off his you-know-what! After all, that's what he used to commit the crime.
by personofthebook
Sounds reasonable - like cutting off the hand of a thief. It also fits in with the gospel. Jesus said if thine eye be a source of sin to thee then pluck it out. What Muslim worthy of the name would reject the word of an Islamic prophet? That means any Muslim man who even considers having sex with someone who is not his wife (does that happen even before he lays eyes on her?) should blind himself immediately. Better to be blind than to lose the you-know-what!
at May 9, 2008 4:17 PM
There's that finger again. Well, I have a response but it uses a different finger.
Posted by: Eastview at May 9, 2008 4:23 PM
For an Indian, his Engish-language word skills aren't all that great. Two words can come from the same root but have very different meanings. Every scientist, doctor, teacher, etc. knows the fundamentals. They know the basics. They have the foundation upon which to build.
The fundamentals of medicine, science and other fields change with new developments. We no longer believe the sun revolves around the earth, but that was a fundamental scientific and religious belief for centuries.
"Fundamentalism" is a movement in American Protestantism that stresses the infallibility of the Bible in all matters of faith and doctrine and accepts the Bible as literally and historically true. Few Christians insist that the world is six (or even ten) thousand years old. We don't take the Bible literally.
"Fundamentalism" in Islam is the hallmark of the Wahhabists. Every word in the Koran is sacrosanct. It is the source of all terrorism. Fundamentalists in American Protestantism are not the mainstream of Christianity.
at May 9, 2008 4:35 PM
It must mean that terrorism and barbarism are part of islam!
by personofthebook
Or it could be the other way around - islam is part of terrorism and barbarism and the words were shortened over time.
TERRORISLAM BARBARISLAM
Posted by: PMK at May 9, 2008 4:45 PM
Ashraf Mohamedy must be assuming that the Sister in the Mini is even worth looking at. How can he be so sure that the Hooligan isn't wondering what the other Sister is hiding?
Posted by: flowerknife_us at May 9, 2008 4:47 PM
Of course, this preacher neglects to mention the extreme violence and threats that gangs of male bullies would use to force women into the 'protection' of the veil.
How many murders of women was it, that a news item posted here earlier this year, recorded, from someplace in Iraq? Women who'd been murdered to 'punish' them for not conforming to Muslim dress codes. I'll have a look later, in my 'Islam's war on women' file, and the 'Islam in iraq' file, find the stories and post a couple of links.
Now for a little something from Marjane Satrapi's 'Persepolis' - something that happened to her 'secular' muslim mother, after the Khomeini revolution. Her mother had gone out with hair uncovered, in a pullover and pants.
Here is the episode: 'One night...'Your mother's car broke down. We have to pick her up.' Marji and her father go to get her mother, who [in her top and pants] runs toward them crying. Her father embraces her mother, who says - 'Two guys. Two bearded guys...the fundamentalist bastards. The bastards..they'. 'Calm down, darling, calm down. What did they do?'
- 'They insulted me. They said women like me should be pushed up against a wall and f***d and then thrown in the garbage...And that if I don't want that to happen, I should wear the veil.'
[Marji's dad says: 'Forget about those morons. Let's go home.'
Marji then says, 'That incident made my mother sick for several days'. Final panel shows the family watching a preacher on TV: narrator relates,
'And so to protect women from all the potential rapists, they decreed that wearing the veil was obligatory'.
(Preacher on iranian tv: 'Women's hair emanates rays that excite men. That's why women should cover their hair. If in fact it is really more civilised to go without the veil then animals are more civilised than we are.'
Marji's dad (on the sofa, one arm around Marji's mum): 'Incredible. They think all men are perverts'.
Marji's mum: 'Of course. Because *they* really are perverts!'
Exactly, Mrs Satrapi. Truer word was never spoken.
For another example of the sort of social order this 'preacher' in India wants to impose on the world, and what it *really* means for women, let's open up Geraldine Brooks' Nine Parts of Desire, p. 155, and visit Gaza in the ?1990s, interviewing people at the Islamic University. Here is Brooks in the student common room of the women's campus, with Asya her guide, talking to a 30-year-old female administrator, Majida.
'Driving from the huge military roadblock that divides the Gaza Strip from Israel, I [Brooks] hadn't seen a single unveiled women.
"There is no coercion", said Majida. I gazed down at my dowdy serge sack. "Of course, we can impose it here, inside the university. But outside we don't impose it. The relationship is with God and each woman can decide for herself."
'I sipped my Coke and said nothing. I had been in the emergency room of a Gaza hospital when a young Palestinian nurse came in, shaking, her uniform covered with wet brown stains. 'It was the boys in the market', she said, 'They told me to cover my head. I told them I was Christian, but they said it didn't matter. They said, 'The Virgin Mary covered her head, so why not you?' They threw rotten fruit at me AND TOLD ME NEXT TIME IT WOULD BE ACID."
Iraq, today. Persia, late 1970s early 1980s. Gaza. Three Islamic societies. Three places where psychopathic males can insult, bully, and yes, ultimately rape and/or murder, women, with the sanction of religion...because it's all about 'morality'.
Women are 'protected' by the veil like dhimmis are 'protected' by the dhimma and jizya - it's a 'protection' that, when it comes down to tin tacks, is not worth spit, because some psychopath can always trump up an excuse to say you've broken the rules, and then, of course, you must be PUNISHED.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 9, 2008 5:10 PM
He seems to have missed the concept of due process, how can this be?
All societies that are sexually repressive, dodge the issue of rape, and child molestation.
Like most religions (but Islam especially), they beleive if it isn't seen, then it doesn't exist. The foot on the stair, the gentle creak of an opening door.
The West was like this until these subjects were brought into the open.
In other words, if it isn't reported, it doesn't exist, just like in Pakistan.
Perahps a commitment to free speech would help, then we'd know for sure what the truth is?
Still I agree with him, Arab and Asian men can't be trusted around women, best not to let them into civilised countries then.
Posted by: Ian at May 9, 2008 5:18 PM
DEFEAT ISLAM & SHARIA!!
Posted by: champ at May 9, 2008 5:25 PM
As I have just seen, others have noted that the word "decoy" must have been a mis-rendering of the word "dacoit."
Dacoits and thuggees, and now we are back in the world of Gunga Din, and even Sherlock Holmes. What's next? The Battle of Plassy? "Oriental" Jones?
Posted by: Hugh at May 9, 2008 5:43 PM
More like the "Black Hole of Calcutta"...
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at May 9, 2008 6:22 PM
When l see and read the garbage made by this muslim living in India l cannot understand the Indian people allowing this low life human to remain living in India. those muslims making those statement about "exery muslim should be a terrorist" should become room temperature.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 9, 2008 6:47 PM
In the movie Dragnet the character Joe Friday said "two things separate us from the animals, we use cutlery and we control our sexual urges". According to the Australian imam, muslim men can't control their sexual urges, nor do they need to.
Posted by: walterc
They don't use cutlery, either. They use their hands and fingers. So they're animals on both counts.
at May 9, 2008 7:05 PM
Nonsense. First of all, this "hooligan" can have different motives. If it is rape, fine, the miniskirt may sway him. But he might also have a thing for certain taboos such as hijab wearing women.
If the "hooligan" is simply a bully looking for a target the hijabbed female has as much a chance of being bullied as her friend, maybe more so since she would stand out more.
What happens if both women are wearing a hijab? Does he actually think a decided rapist would just... move along?
In addition, of course I would want a rapist killed if my loved ones were harmed. I would want the guilty killed because I would be reacting in a dark emotional level we all suppress except in such situations. Most religions and societies try to elevate themselves above these instinctual reactions not exploit them as a basis for sentencing.
at May 9, 2008 9:30 PM
That many Muslims still cling to the distorted view that due to their adherence to Islam, they hold some sort of moral superiority over the average infidel, is most amusing.
In reality, they are more often than not actually antithetical examples of what they and their ideology supposedly stand for, being solid text book examples of hypocrisy in motion.
Posted by: awake at May 9, 2008 10:12 PM
Sez he:
"Allah Has Instructed Us to Follow the Hijab, So That Women Can Be Saved From Rape And Molestation".
He neglects to mention that if a woman *doesn't* want to wear Islamic dress, people like himself will feel perfectly free to murder her.
Here are some items from the jihadwatch/ dhimmiwatch archives, to illustrate my point.
First, an actual quote from another psychopathic Islamic 'preacher'; then, two news stories from Iraq.
In the first case, the link to a Der Spiegel article, ‘What Muslims Hear at Friday Prayers’, being two years old, has broken. However, Mr Spencer reproduced enough of it to give a good idea, to wit:
‘If a woman, even a Muslim woman is naked, and you have no way of covering her up, it is legitimate to kill her’ [ipsissima verba of a Muslim preacher].
‘Friday sermons from around the Islamic world used to be circulated fairly regularly by MEMRI and others; you can search the archives here and find some hair-raising examples.
'But in recent months few have come to light; apparently someone in the PR department realized just how damaging the publication of these sermons in the West was to the jihad cause.
‘Now, however, Der Spiegel (thanks to JS) has published a full-length piece, "What Muslims Hear at Friday Prayers."
'The Spiegel editors seem uncomfortable with what they have found, and engage in some despicable (and entirely unsupported by any evidence) moral equivalence, saying this a few sentences after they quoted the Abu Hamza statement that I posted as the headline here: "But surely such examples of narrow-mindedness can be found in any major religion or creed."
‘Oh really? Then produce such examples, please. Let us see a Spiegel report on Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu preachers calling for the murders of women who they deem to be not dressed properly.
'Let us hear about the Christian preachers who say, "This is a sign, you faithful, that your battle with the Jews is still a long way from coming to an end." Tell us about the Jewish and Christian congregations that chant "Death to Iran!" or death to anyone.
‘Nonetheless, despite this absurdity, the Spiegel report is illuminating:
DER SPIEGEL, EXTRACT: Radical preachers have actively contributed to this impression. In a Berlin mosque, a television crew secretly recorded the sermon of a Turkish imam who described the Germans as godless and railed against what their alleged stench. In London, hate preacher Abu Hamza al-Masri called upon the faithful to murder female tourists in his native Egypt, saying: "If a woman, even a Muslim woman, is naked and you have no way of covering her up, it is legitimate to kill her." END QUOTE.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011098.php#comments
Now let's see how many women have been murdered in just one city in Iraq, over a period of just five months, for the ‘crime’ of wearing makeup in public, not wearing headscarfs, etc.
Dhimmiwatch, December 5 2007. Link to dhimmiwatch archives http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019036.php#comments
A paragraph from the story itself:
'BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - Women in Iraq's southern city of Basra are living in fear. More than 40 have been killed and their bodies dumped in the streets in the past five months for behavior deemed un-Islamic, the city's police chief says.
'A warning scrawled in red on a wall threatens any woman who wears makeup or appears in public without an Islamic headscarf with dire punishment.
"Whoever disobeys will be punished. God [allah] is our witness that we have conveyed this message," it says…”
A second report, from 10 December 2007 - http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019085.php#comments
with more details:
“BAGHDAD - Religious vigilantes have killed at least 40 women this year in the southern Iraqi city of Basra because of how they dressed, their mutilated bodies found with notes warning against "violating Islamic teachings," the police chief said Sunday.
Maj. Gen. Jalil Khalaf blamed sectarian groups that he said were trying to impose a strict interpretation of Islam....
"The women of Basra are being horrifically murdered and then dumped in the garbage with notes saying they were killed for un-Islamic behavior," Khalaf told The Associated Press.’
Talk about a religious 'license to kill' for the sort of men who, in the West, are categorised and condemned as 'serial killers' and psychopaths. In the Infidel world, we recoil in horror from such men, and catch and punish them wherever we can. In Islamised societies governed by sharia, their murderous urges are sanctified and validated; they can join the 'religious police' and become judge, jury and executioner to keep all those uppity women in line.
at May 9, 2008 10:34 PM
That many Muslims still cling to the distorted view that due to their adherence to Islam, they hold some sort of moral superiority over the average infidel, is most amusing.I agree. You make on big assumption though: that a Muslim means the same thing by "morality" that you do. As far as I can see, Islam has no moral compass, there is only what advances the dominance of Islam and its 10,000 rules, and what doesn't. If it advances Islam it is good, if it impedes Islam it is bad. For example, it is not immoral for you (a Muslim) to falsely accuse a Christian of defaming Muhammad so you can throw him in jail and take his land, because anything that benefits you by definition advances Islam, and is therefore good. It is not immoral to rape a woman as punishment for not wearing the veil, because her disobedience impedes Islam's dominance over her, which is bad. Posted by: aynrandgirl
at May 9, 2008 10:46 PM
Post script:
a propos the first story - that a woman seen 'naked' (and by that, that raving psychopath probably meant 'with face and/or hair and/or arms below elbow and/or legs below knee visible') let me relate something from my own experience, that reveals just how much more civilised we westerners are.
As we walked down a busy inner city street in one of Australia's biggest cities, some years ago, on a Saturday morning, to do our shopping, right outside the local supermarket I and my family saw a woman - maybe late twenties, maybe older - who had...stripped herself naked. And I mean naked: clothes in a heap round her feet. She was simply standing there, next to the supermarket entry, in broad daylight, without a stitch on.
Everyone was simply pretending she wasn't there and people were carefully not looking. No-one laid a hand on her. I think most people assumed she was mentally ill, or perhaps 'spaced out' on something. It *was* the inner city, after all. Since she wasn't yelling, screaming, fainting, or acting drunk - just standing there calmly with no clothes on - people were playing safe and letting her be. I presume someone called the police - I know it didn't occur to us, we walked on past with the children (telling them not to stare, it's rude) and did our shopping and she had left, or been encouraged to get dressed again, or been politely removed by police, when we came back out.
I guess, depending on her state of mental health or intoxication, she would have been charged with 'indecent exposure' (she wasn't actively 'flashing' anything, just standing still) - but no-one would be calling for her to be flogged or executed!
Does one even want to begin to imagine what would happen to a woman who stood naked, not just without a veil, but completely nude, on a busy city street, at 10 in the morning, in Cairo, or Teheran?
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 9, 2008 10:51 PM
Posted by: aynrandgirl at May 9, 2008 10:46 PM
Agreed. Muslims and non-muslims are quite contrary. Marriage laws traditionally honored amongst Muslims corroborate your story as well. Muslim men can marry anyone, while Muslim women are limited to Muslim men only.
All for the continued increase and advancement of the ummah, and Islam.
Posted by: awake at May 9, 2008 10:57 PM
"'In America, according to statistics of the FBI, in 1990, the cases of rape were 1,750, and later on, 1,900. The Americans got a bit bolder. The latest statistics, of 1996, say that now the rate has gone up to 2,117 rapes taking place every day.'
What was the Muslim population of the US in 1990, prior to the Persian Gulf War?
How much of this increase can be traced directly to Muslim immigrants who think a woman who shows her legs deserves to be raped?"
Posted by: PMK
I don't know about the statistic re. Muslim immigration to the US during that time, but I do know that in Europe rates of rape have risen catastrophically with massive Muslim immigration, and the statistics show that it's not just coincidental. Some cities that used to be among the safest places in the world, in countries like Norway and Sweden, have turned into places where young women are afraid to go out alone. Rates of gay-bashing are also skyrocketing too, in countries that were known only recently as the friendliest and most tolerant places for gays. Women and gays are being assaulted, harrassed, and terrorized by people who were rarely seen in their countries two decades ago, their freedoms are severely curtailed, and yet their governments call this "immigration" rather than what it really is. Read the Norwegian writer Fjordman, or gay American (now lives in Norway) writer Bruce Bawer's eye-popping book, "While Europe Slept." Uncontrolled Muslim immigration has been an unmitigated disaster in Europe, and yet the elites still bury their heads in the sand and punish native Europeans with "hate-speech" laws if they dare to raise any objections. Fascism has returned.
Posted by: angloirishslav at May 9, 2008 11:30 PM
"Allah has instructed us to follow the hijab, so that women can be saved from rape and molestation."
Saved from who? Since the hijab is worn in Islamic societies, it is clear that they are being saved from Islamic men. All it takes is an ankle, or a forearm, and they go off on an uncontrollable rampage of rape. This is why women must stay covered, muslims are sexually brittle and can snap at any moment. It's better that women stay covered than to subject a muslim to unfulfilled heat and lust. I know what it's like, I saw a muslimahs ankle once and almost went berzerk myself. It took me five hours and a box of Chips Ahoy cookies to recover...
Posted by: duh_swami at May 9, 2008 11:53 PM
Love Demands Hijab
In the nature birds and other mammals have got their plumes, feathers; their fur coats and beautiful hairs. Birds show off their plumes; the display of their colours and spread of it, all looks very pretty; a lovely mating gestures remains on its display in the nature all the time to attract their partners. But, some how the nature has been very unkind to human beings; we human being, need to have artificial body coverings to avail the protection against extremes of weather; and need to wear other apparel as per the dictates of seasons. Other than the general wears to protect our bodies; especially, women choose the colours and shades of their wears with the cuts and trims to feel good and look pretty. A special effort is put to enhance the feminine qualities and to cover or reveal the delicacy and contours of their loveable secrets.
So; all women dress up very elegantly, wear makeup and put on ornaments and bangles. Women show off their bodies and figure to look charming primarily for their men; Men also try to dress up handsomely and want to be seen as refined and aristocratic.
East or West; we all want to show off; but we do stop short of the line; where our particular culture draw a limits for us to say; no more. An unspoken limit marked not to go beyond; to expose the bosom, contours or other delicate private parts, in public. Different cultures draw or prescribe different lines for their natives and these limits become their values and form a part of their… civilization.
In the western society; we may be free and very promiscuous but people are certainly not seen strolling in the streets with out clothing. After all; Janet Jackson was also taken to the task…when her accidental show of bosom at a stage play was; some what… seen as very disgusting and awful.
In all the cultures of world; this is a common practice found among all the women that; while they are in, the four walls of their houses; inside, they all are seen; dressed up very shabbily, in a clumsy out look and have their horrible hairdos or wear very ordinary or no make up. But the moment it is announced that they have to go out for some shopping mall or to markets; a lightening stirs and a surge in them is worth watching. All the clumsiness vanishes with a wink; shabbiness is turned into prettiness; colour and shades come out and all the magic of cuts and reveals of bosom and butts… come at display and the beautiful hairdos are done. Air is filled with the fragrance, sweet smell, smiles and laughter.
This is a well known fact that women dress up for their men which is taken as impressive phenomenon of their instinctive modesty toward men. It can be easily measured on the scales of their faithfulness between the partners. Whether their display of beauty is for their own love ones, love mates, husbands or it becomes a feast for the prying eyes of some, on lookers roaming about in bazaar streets?
Certainly no one wants that any prying eye is cast on our loved one; may she be our girl friend, wife or sister. This aspect demands; a drawing of a definite line to safe guard the domain of our privacy and up keep of serenity in our love life; where the prying eyes ought not be allowed to tress pass.
This may look bit harsh in some of the societies to adopt but many cultures do prescribe a good covering of the feminine bodies of their love ones, when they go out in the public; especially in the Middle East. Middle Eastern are predominantly Muslims. Their act shows; they must be very passionate in their love and its connected affairs!
And who can dare denying the clear words of God Almighty on the subject:
Koran; Chapter: 24 (Al-Nur) Verse : 32
“And say to the believing women that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts, and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment except that which is apparent thereof, and that they draw their head-coverings over their bosoms, and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment save to their husbands, or to their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or women who are their companions, or those that their right hands possess, or such of male attendants as have no desire for women, or young children who have not yet attained knowledge of the hidden parts of women. And that they strike not their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may become known. And turn ye to Allah all together, O believers, that you may prosper.”
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Adabarez
at May 10, 2008 3:31 AM
"And who can dare denying the words of God Almighty on the subject."
Except these are not the words of God Almighty, but are the words of Satan incarnate.
Black, shrouded ghouls fill me with a sense of foreboding, as though something evil is amongst us.
Posted by: Sencit at May 10, 2008 7:39 AM
Sencit,
One who has not passed through a street; may not know the charms, the taste or sight and sounds of it.
Pre- conceived ideas are floated only, with intent to deceive and to misled the people; to keep them away from the Truth.
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Adabarez
at May 10, 2008 8:06 AM
Pre-conceived ideas are floated only, with intent to deceive and to misled the people; to keep them away from the Truth.
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Adabarez
sounds like a description of the activities of CAIR and other apologists for Islamic mayhem
at May 10, 2008 10:51 AM
Mohamedy stated what he believes are facts as to the number of women violated daily in the United States. He ignores the thousands that his so-called brothers of fundamentalism murdered on the morning of September 11, 2001 -- and the unassessed numbers of fellow Muslims and Christians (men, women, children, babies) being put to death by murder/suicide bombers and other barbaric means each and every day in countries all over the world by those same "brothers."
Posted by: Julian at May 10, 2008 11:54 AM
Ebonystone,
Islam is not a concocted myth of fallacy.
Islam is a Truth and The Truth has to apologise to no one!
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Adabarez
at May 10, 2008 2:37 PM
Rape of women is commonplace in Islamic culture, only they call it "marriage."
Rape of male chiildren is also common, only they call it "adult men enjoying young boys when no women or goats are available."
Rape of female children is also common, only they call it...ummm..."marriage"!
Posted by: angloirishslav at May 11, 2008 12:38 AM
In Islam rape of female slaves and servants is permitted, rape of your enemies females is permitted, as is rape of any non Muslim female that is within your reach.
It is such permissions that account for the sharply rising rape cases in and near the Muslim enclaves in western countries..
It is a Muslim obligation to seek out and rape the infidel. They do it every day.
Posted by: pulsar182 at May 11, 2008 8:31 PM
says 'adabarez':
"Islam is a Truth and The Truth has to apologise to no one!"
Ah yes, and perhaps 'adabarez' will, therefore, say that THIS -
SEE LINK:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020955.php#comments
- five wicked Bangladeshi Muslim men gang-raping the 13 year old daughter of a Christian pastor, presumably in order to punish her father for the hideous crime of being a Christian evangelist in an area with a lot of Muslims, was nothing for which the rapists need apologise?
Ah, the peace, the beauty, the truth, the justice of ISLAM /sarc/- five big men 'defending Islam' by ganging up on a little Christian girl in the dark and raping her, in order to shame and frighten her family.
Behold Muslim evangelism! What beauty! What peacefulness! What love! *spit!*
"Always local boys used to tease her on her way to school,” he [the father] said, “and used to tell her filthy words against Christianity and western culture.”
More Muslim 'evangelism', I suppose.
Nothing to apologise for?
at May 13, 2008 2:44 AM
A RAPE ORDEAL faced by a young juvenile in Bangladesh, inflicted upon her by a group of hooligans is a most despicable and a contemptible occurrence but why should Islam; the religion of peace be dragged into it?
History says that Christianity found there, especially in Sub continents of India-Pakistan and Bangladesh is basically in shape of the remnants of oppressive old colonial era which breathed its last in late forties (last Century). Bulk of Christianity also withdrew along with the retreating forces who initially took it their in aid of its earlier colonial consolidation phase.
It is God’s design that old as well new denomination are made to live side by side. There is no coercion in religion. This has been the norms that when ever the new Commandments were revealed, the people practicing the old commandments invariably ganged up and stood up with all its furry to resist… but ultimately were humbled and they came to terms. There have always been many a Mr Robert Spencers with their ulterior motives seen creating hurdles pursuing their vested interests; but who has ever been able to frustrate the design of God.
In the kingdom of animals, the animal siblings, after birth take about a year or so to be at there own and then they are brave enough to face the dictates of the environments; where as humans learning develops with a slow pace and takes score of years to stand on their own feet. In case of understanding of our God and His religion; we also take very long to come to the terms.
In religion; it is not a matter of being less noble or more; it is all about the Word of God and our recognition of the Truth and accepting it as such and accepting it whole heartedly; that is all. Nothing more, nothing less!
It is also not the matter of living in the prevalent stalemate of interfaith non-harmonious quagmire that we experience or the numerous other self created myths about God that we find being pursued so vehemently in older religious denominations like; Judaism or Christianity. Islam is simply to believe in our living God and come to the terms to submit to His will and thereafter, to show our stead fastness to stick to His latest commandments under all the circumstances.
His latest commandments happen to be in the Holy Quran; which facilitates us with the final Word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. Islam is not some thing new; these are same old teachings of our common father Abraham (as); but duly reformed, refined on the anvil of the time, upgraded and explained in the words of God, Him self for the whole of the mankind to come.
To resist the Word of God is not an option. We may come forward willingly or unwillingly; but to come to the terms…we have to!
You Might Have Not Seen Your Best Days Yet! But why Islam is being resisted be a section of society so vehemently? They say: Your enemies may not be fighting you that what you are at present; but they are against you; what you would be in the future.
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Adabarez
at May 14, 2008 7:00 AM
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