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Observe this, İhsanoğlu
If İhsanoğlu really wants to rectify Islam's image, he should start by rectifying things like this. But instead, he and the OIC continue to pretend that any concerns non-Muslims may have over an Islamic cleric proclaiming that "we will rule the world, as has been said by the Prophet Muhammad" are simply manifestations of "Islamophobia." That in itself reveals a great deal about the real agenda of İhsanoğlu and the OIC.
"OIC endeavoring to rectify Muslim image," from Today's Zaman, May 10 (thanks to Twostellas):
Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) Secretary-General Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu has stated that a project called the Islamophobia Observatory has been launched in order to eliminate the worldwide waves of fear of Islam.İhsanoğlu cited the commonsensical intellectual reaction of the Danish public following cartoons published in the country that were critical of Islam as one of the important successes of the project. "We presented a report on Islamophobia at the first summit we held with the CEOs and civil society organizations we are in touch with. It has sparked very positive reactions and spread across Europe in a short time. Publications have praised the initiative. We have seen both support of and opposition to the initiative, but [all in all] it has created very positive reactions," he said.
İhsanoğlu visited the Zaman Media Group on Thursday and briefed editors and columnists on OIC projects. Stating that the foremost target was to eradicate prejudice and fear of Islam, İhsanoğlu noted that there were groups in favor of the projects and also those disturbed by them. An OIC report on Islamophobia has seriously disconcerted Americans and Europeans, he said, adding: "The report has started to pay off. Let me give you an example: The cartoons published in Denmark and a short film, named 'Fitna' and released last month, if you look at the attitudes of the Danish prime minister, the media and civil society organizations, they are all very different from one another. So far, in these three-and-a-half years we have managed to get the UN General Assembly and Geneva make very important decisions. In the meantime the European group was left alone. We have gathered significant support from our own group in Asia, Africa and Latin America. A special rapporteur has been assigned [to track] the denigration and hatred campaigns against religions, and this person will write up reports on the issue."
He stressed that the OIC has not yet reached the place it set out for, but that it has covered a remarkable distance in comparison to previous years and that there were very positive changes between the scene in 2005 and today. "This is only the beginning. We still have a long way to go. But there is a foreign ministers' meeting in Kampala ahead of us. Things will be better then," he said.
Pointing out that there were some negative developments in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks with the influence of some lobbies, İhsanoğlu remarked that US officials were also endeavoring to eliminate these negativities.
Commenting on the visit, the secretary-general said: "The US is sending us a message at this point. 'We want to be on good terms with the OIC,' they implicitly say." İhsanoğlu also said US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had spoken with him to say that President Bush wanted to assign a special envoy to oversee US relations with the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). A very accomplished US citizen of Pakistani origin has already been chosen for this role. "This person achieved a great many things during Bush's term as governor of Texas. Before the summit, he spoke with me. This shows that the entire world and the EU are closely interested in our organization. We have advanced since I took office," he said....
Posted by Robert at May 10, 2008 1:13 PM
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What? No bump on his forehead?
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at May 10, 2008 1:36 PM
sheik yer'mami, it'll first be a lump in his throat, and a lump in all the throats of many Islamist bigwigs who will someday realize that there is no way those words and thoughts inside the Qu'ran were from the Big Guy.
It'll be like a two by four smack in the face, and it will hurt ...
Posted by: k24anson at May 10, 2008 1:59 PM
Muslims whining about Islamophobia reminds me of photos of the big Nazi banners during WWII that read, "Beware of the Jewish Warmonger!"
The world is inverted. Intellectual retards think good (democracy, freedom, Israel, USA) is evil and evil (totalitarianism, sharia, Hamas, "Palestine", Iran) is good.
http://www.bravenewsworld.blogspot.com
at May 10, 2008 2:11 PM
There's something parasitic about the way Muslims exploit Western social mechanisms. We all know that Islam teaches Muslims to despise "infidels" and especially Jews. They truly hate us, and expend great energy in devaluing and dehumanizing us. So when they observe the success of our "infidel" society, and especially the success of Jews within our society, their notions of our dirtiness and our unworthiness in the eyes of their Allah must truly wrankle. They sum it up to "image", as if our prowess and superiority could only be a matter of superficial appearances, nothing more. They observe the Jew successfully navigating in the "infidel" West, and can only imagine his successes, since he is but worthless subhuman scum, can only be accounted for by manipulation of media propaganda, cleverly crafted "image" campaigns, and legal browbeating to legislate special protections through mechanisms like the various "antidefamation" outfits which exist.
Being history's all-time plunderers and parasites, just like the original Arab vagabond who invented their heinous "religion", Muslims have set about imitating what, in their fevered imaginations, constitutes the social mechanisms in the West which permit us to project that "image" of success and superiority which puts their abject failures in stark relief. Since (in their ruined minds) their Islamic society is vastly superiorto ours in every way, our successes can only be a clever illusion, a parlor trick of epic proportions.
I do not believe that Islamic society can imagine or contemplate the truth of the situation. They have a society which offers nothing to the world but terrorism, totalitarian nightmares, human degradation, and misery. If not for the accident of oil, I have no doubt that the panIslamic world today would be at or near the absolute bottom of human society. But the wealth which has flowed into their undeserving hands for the last 6-7 decades now funds the largest expansion of their Islamic cancer since Islam's invention nearly 1400 years ago. Today they spend vast sums to wage Jihad, to insinuate themselves into our society where they then set about the systematic subversion of our society. They actually lack imagination sufficient to contemplate the truth about their complete horribleness, or to comprehend why our society is superior to theirs in every way. Islam forbids it. But Islam's creed requires them to profess its superiority in every gesture, every expression, despite reality. For this reason they retaina just sufficient quantity of imagination to think that if they simply ape our social mechanisms, the ones which they costrue as responsible for projecting our clever lies, then they too can accomplish all that we have done. Muslims can't handle the substance of the argument, but now hold vast hordes of cash to hire Madison Avenue to do their bidding and polish the turd of Islam into a high gloss.
Has there ever been a more loutish, a more lazy, a more deluded society than theirs? I know many Westerners fear angering Muslims, fear enraging their hatred and fury, by simply pointing out their inferiority. But I believe we will do much in winning against our Muslim enemy by shattering his delusional and grandiose sense of self. Simply holding up a mirror, and revealing Islam's utter and complete horribleness does make the Muslim murderously angry, but it also rubs his filth in his face in a manner which will eventually destroy him through sheer humiliation and depression.
Posted by: jsla at May 10, 2008 2:28 PM
Most of Islam's followers are just children, whining. Some are psychopaths following their leader's cult for power. IMHO we should mostly ignore the former, pulverize the psychopaths when needed and go and have some fun going to Mars or work on the genetics of aging or something...delving into these lugubrious downer's psyche seems unhealthy. But we must pay attention to atomic toys and preempt promptly and viciously. In other words, act like parents.
Posted by: EugeneNow! at May 10, 2008 2:34 PM
Don t worry about this dude. Just by looking at his picture he is the perfect candidate for a stroke.
Posted by: Tartine at May 10, 2008 2:50 PM
These guys are very good again i say our focus should not be on islam or muslims it should be on educateing our own people and removeing the politicians who are dealing for business with these people.
Posted by: spcbat at May 10, 2008 3:02 PM
"A very accomplished US citizen of Pakistani origin has already been chosen for this role. This person achieved a great many things during Bush's term as governor of Texas. "
From the article.
Anyone have a name for this guy? And where is he and what is he doing today?
Posted by: Eastview at May 10, 2008 3:02 PM
It reads like a Group using a "Body Guard Of Lies" to cover their Deceit.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at May 10, 2008 3:15 PM
Anyone know how to pronounce "İhsanoğlu"?
Anyway, it appears the OIC is just as prone as the UN to thinking that forming a committee of some kind and spinning out committee reports constitutes activity of importance. This guy is just another Madison Avenue advertising hack. You kind of have to sympathize with the tough job he has. The search will undoubtedly be long and frustrating to find just the right shade of lipstick that will transform Miss Piggy into Marilyn Monroe.
Posted by: Eastview at May 10, 2008 3:16 PM
"A special rapporteur has been assigned [to track] the denigration and hatred campaigns against religions, and this person will write up reports on the issue."
I can't believe that anyone has this much gall, but then, gall seems to be as Islamic as apple pie.
I wonder if Saudi Arabia's ban on building churches, or even conducting private prayer services, or Egypt's requirement for a work permit signed by the President to repair a toilet in a church building, comes under the heading of "the denigration and hatred campaigns against religions"
I wonder if our special rapporteur will mention these in his report. If not, don't rely on Bush or Rice to point out the oversight.
I shudder to think of the lengths Obama or Clinton will go to in catering to these evil people.
at May 10, 2008 3:34 PM
İhsanoğlu's country is a graveyard for a few million Christian Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians.
İhsanoğlu's remedy for irrational fear of Islam: Kill them all.
Posted by: Charlie at May 10, 2008 3:45 PM
Has there ever been a more loutish, a more lazy, a more deluded society than theirs? I know many Westerners fear angering Muslims, fear enraging their hatred and fury, by simply pointing out their inferiority. But I believe we will do much in winning against our Muslim enemy by shattering his delusional and grandiose sense of self. Simply holding up a mirror, and revealing Islam's utter and complete horribleness does make the Muslim murderously angry, but it also rubs his filth in his face in a manner which will eventually destroy him through sheer humiliation and depression. (my bold)- Posted by jsla
The Devil hates to see his own image. No different is Islam.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at May 10, 2008 3:54 PM
See,when we riot and burn in your streets,
(Paris,Malmo amongst others)
pillage your towns and villages,
(Bosnia,Sudan,Somalia,Chechnya,Chad,
Somalia,Thailand,Malaysia,India)
bomb and occupy your embassies,
(Iran,Kenya)
bring mobile open warfare to your shores,
(2-26-93,9-11-01,3-11-04,7-11-06,7-7-05)
on a daily basis,subvert political and cultural institutions within the US,Canada,UK,Australia,continental Europe,
all in the service of a mis-guided notion of supremacy cultivated over some 1388 years,dividing the world into the multiple camps of Dar-al-Haab and Dar-al-Islam,in a mandated perpetual state of conflict,(though as a certain commentator here is often keen to highlight: "not always open conflict") you should be elated to even be offered this generous opportunity to bow your knee toward Baal.
No thank you just the same.
at May 10, 2008 4:37 PM
We need the folllowing "Observatories"
* Christophobia Observatory
* Judeophobia Observatory
* Hinduphobia Observatory
* Americaphobia Observatory
* Caucasiophobia Observatory
I think that if those " Observatories" get installed, the "islamophobia" one will be totally forgotten, since more hatred is directed at those groups mentioned above than to Muslims. Oh, and the majority of said hatred comes from muslims.
Muslims demand a lot, but give very little.
Posted by: Crusader at May 10, 2008 4:49 PM
Robert, I hope you're on the OIC's radar screen. That would show the world the effectiveness of your efforts.
Posted by: John C at May 10, 2008 4:59 PM
For the record..I don't fear islam. I have islamoloathia. The symptoms are close to stomach flu only they last more than 24 hours and you cannot develope an immunity...at least in my case.
Posted by: pismopal at May 10, 2008 5:15 PM
"Islamophobia Observatory"
Now why do you suppose Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, an historian of "Islamic science" chose the word "observatory"?
Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu is not merely,or even mainly, a disinterested historian of science, but is, rather, a defender, an apologist, an explainer-away of the fact that for nearly the last thousand years very little has been achieved in science by Muslims.
He does not point out that much of what is ascribed to Islamic civilization was in fact the product of Jewish, Christian, and other non-Muslim individuals, still raised in non-Muslim milieu, or was the product of those who were recent converts, only a generation or two removed from their non-Muslim milieux, and still influenced by it. He does not point out that while the West can boast thousands of names important in the history of science, Islam has only a few dozen, and these are almost always Central Asians, or Persians, hardly ever Arabs. And he does not note that the most important of the figures -- such as ar-Razi (Rhazes)-- were scrcely orthodox, and always on the verge of being persecuted for their dangerous free-thinking ways.
But back to that word "observatory." Muslim historians of "Islamic" (Ihsanoglu) or, still more inaccurately, "Arabic" science (George Saliba), always exaggerating, make much of the "observatory" at Maragha. This observatory was founded by Hulegu Khan, the man whose army of Mongols destroyed the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad, and who set up his center in present-day Azerbaijan, with his capital at Maragha.
Fantastic claims have been made for the astronomers at Maragha, and I am sure that Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu thought the word "observatory" would lend a certain sheen, based on the allusion to Maragha, to what is an O.I.C. effort at intellectual and moral intimidation of non-Muslim students and analysts of Islam who do not share -- and why should they? -- the Muslim view of Islam.
That, at least, is my guess.
If anyone has another, and possibly more plausible, explanation as to why the phrase "Islamophobic Observatory" was chosen, I'd like to hear about it.
Posted by: Hugh at May 10, 2008 5:53 PM
I don't fear Islam, I fear Muslims.
Posted by: Jerry M at May 10, 2008 5:54 PM
"eliminate the worldwide waves of fear of Islam."
Hey there Ekmeleddin, old buddy, old pal, how about you working on the worldwide waves of death, rape, and destruction?
When do think you could get around to that?
Posted by: Pelayo at May 10, 2008 6:04 PM
Observatory? rapporteur?
Just bad word choices.
Given that "observatory" denotes a facility used by astronomers, it's as if he sees his new group as one that will watch from on high.
Or it could just be an attempt to sound intellectual. Rather than use a word like "Watch", he checked his thesaurus and found "observe" and from there it was just a short distance to "observatory".
Rapporteur reminds one of saboteur. Did he mean a REPORTER or did he mean someone who would build friendly relations (rapport) between groups (in this case, of different religious beliefs)?
And if this person is really going to track the denigration and hatred campaigns against religions and write up reports does that mean he will report on Islamic phobias and Islam's campaigns of hatred against the rest of the world?
It's a misunderstanding of English. Two words with the same root can have different meanings.
Speaking of English, surely there is a word construction that will define Islam's own phobias, as opposed to others' fear of Islam. Is there a more phobic religion than Islam?
Posted by: PMK at May 10, 2008 6:26 PM
"Secretary-General Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu"
What nationality is this name?
at May 10, 2008 6:46 PM
Instead of going to the trouble of giving Muhammad a makeover, which means they would have to rewrite history, why not simply forsake Islam and all it's evil lies for the Truth - now there's an idea!
Clean up Islam all you want. Smile more and whiten your teeth, if you think it will help; but there's NO getting around Muhammad and his filthy lifestyle & legacy of murder and mayhem.
Muslims still have their pediphile false prophet and murdering marauder to contend with. It's pretending like no one wants to talk about the gynormous White Elephant that's in the room, but the problem is that Muhammad is hard to miss, and he's IMPOSSIBLE to clean up. Afraid Islam is stuck with this stinky slime ball, aka, prophet of Islam.
Posted by: champ at May 10, 2008 7:00 PM
jlsa
The most succient and powerful denunciation of the islamic inferiority complex vis. the West I have read. Bravo.
How to translate that into actionable headway INTO the islamic heart and heartland is the issue. While I dont always agree with Robert and Hugh on tactics I could never fault their scholarship, I think the US projection into the ME, if allowed to continue for at least a generation, will be more positive than negative.
The key is 'take back'. Land. Boots on the ground. And the outlaw of sharia , islamic polity WHERE EVER WE choose to fight, and elimination of the mullha class. Non-negotiable and permanent exile of all islamic religious/political influence where we choose to stand.
at May 10, 2008 7:16 PM
Where can I buy my "Islamophobia is COOL" bumper sticker?
Posted by: desert dweller at May 10, 2008 7:20 PM
"has stated that a project called the Islamophobia Observatory has been launched in order to eliminate the worldwide waves of fear of Islam. "
should be easy, all they have to do is get the Muslims to stop killing everyone..
Posted by: pulsar182 at May 10, 2008 8:13 PM
From the article:
Condoleezza Rice had spoken with him to say that President Bush wanted to assign a special envoy to oversee US relations with the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). A very accomplished US citizen of Pakistani origin has already been chosen for this role.
Obviously, he means Sada Cucumber, no?
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/05/07/sada-cumber-not-good-enough-muslim-to-be-american-envoy/
As for 'observatory'- I think we should see it as a veiled threat. What he (Ishanoglu) is saying is : "we are watching you. watch out, we will not shy away from terror and political assassination if you don't respect Islam". Its all about 'respect', is it not?
at May 10, 2008 8:26 PM
Islamophobia Observatory? What exactly do they do? Look for things like...
illiterate, gold-digging, epileptic, cave-dwelling, dissension sowing, lying, lecherous, marauding, caravan-raiding, holy day breaking, warmongering, broken toothed, covetous, wife-stealing, sex-obsessed, polygamist, cradle robbing, pedophile, misogynist, widow maker, sadistic torturer, slave-owning, thieving, dismembering, eye-gouging, immolating, mass-murdering, rapist, supremicist, whining, falsely pious, poisoned, conscious fraud narcissistic, vain false prophet...?
Or like this?
Tisdall
The Qur'an breathes the air of the desert, it enables us to hear the battle-cries of the Prophet's followers as they rushed to the onset, it reveals the working of Muhammad's own mind, and shows the gradual declension of his character as he passed from the earnest and sincere though visionary enthusiast into the conscious imposter and open sensualist.
Or this?
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.
Or maybe just people making fun of things like this?
Muhammad ibn Ismail Al-Bukhari
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 245:
Narrated Abu Burda:
My father said, "I came to the Prophet and saw him carrying a Siwak in his hand and cleansing his teeth, saying, 'U' U'," as if he was retching while the Siwak was in his mouth."
at May 10, 2008 9:18 PM
Why would anyone expect an Ottoman (because despite the fact that the Turkish might use Cyrillic letters instead of Arabic they are still just the same wolves with the same fur and violent habits) to rectify anything Islamic? They are the same wild, savage people, despite of receiving upper studies in Europe or US. They still believe in Islamization at all cost.
Posted by: PROUD INFIDEL at May 10, 2008 10:43 PM
An Observatory, in the Muslim sense, must mean a place to look down upon the Infidel.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at May 10, 2008 10:54 PM
>>Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.
Concerned Citizen - Ataturk said the above?
at May 10, 2008 11:10 PM
I do not fear islam nor do I fear any muslim. But if they start trying to destroy my city, they had better FEAR ME!
Posted by: PatrickHenry at May 10, 2008 11:25 PM
Darcy,
Statement recorded in Mustapha Kemal : La mort d’un Empire (1954) by Jacques Benoist-Méchin, as quoted in Jihad in the West : Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries (1998) by Paul Fregosi, p. 407
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk
at May 11, 2008 12:00 AM
sooo.. I was feeling a little depressed the other day... and I called a help line... I got a call center in Pakistan... they asked how they could help me... I told them I was depressed and felt suicidal... they got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck...........
Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt) at May 11, 2008 12:32 AM
The subterfuge which is Islam continues. So tiring but so very predictable.
Posted by: Wellington at May 11, 2008 12:35 AM
Says Hugh: "If anyone has another, and possibly more plausible, explanation as to why the phrase "Islamophobic Observatory" was chosen, I'd like to hear about it."
I recall, when reading the Little Prince, by St. Exupery, the Turkish astronomer who found the planet where the Little Prince lived, but wasn't taken seriously until he changed his outlandish garb for more western attire.
I think we are seeing the same thing going on in the west. As long as the apologists for Islam clothe their words in western sounding verbage, and do it in western attire, we will take them seriously.
at May 11, 2008 1:25 AM
"An Observatory, in the Muslim sense, must mean a place to look down upon the Infidel."
Don't forget a place to watch the sun prostrate itself under Allah's throne, to watch the sun and moon chase each other across the sky, to look at the roof that is the sky, etc., etc.
The only thing these morons are going to observe is an increase in "Islamophobia" as more and more people become aware that the theo-political cult of triumphantism is a deadly spreading cancer in the world and must be eradicated with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: bigwhiteinfidel at May 11, 2008 1:53 AM
Sheik Canuck (swt) ...LOL!!!!
Posted by: champ at May 11, 2008 3:32 AM
"If anyone has another, and possibly more plausible, explanation as to why the phrase "Islamophobic Observatory" was chosen, I'd like to hear about it." Hugh above
The Turkish bazaar gossip was that they were initially very much taken with Islamophobia Panopticon, based on the circular prison concept of Jeremy Bentham wherein a central warders' area sees and controls all the cells arrayed around. The prisoners could not tell when they were being observed, few staff were required to control many prisoners, all power emanated from the center.
Bentham apparently described it as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind" which further added to its appeal. Since the watched never knew when they being watched, it encouraged each inmate to be his own guard, self-monitoring at every moment what he said and did in case it constituted an offence.
Fortunately it was pointed out just in time that Panopticon is too obviously a Greek-derived word, and since Turkey has both historical and current problems with the Greeks, it was decided to go with Observatory, precisely for the reasons Hugh gave despite the obvious appropriateness of the first choice.
at May 11, 2008 4:45 AM
Mr. Ihsanoglu, Islamophobia is a sign of reason, intellect and concern.
I feel proud to wear the badge of islamophobia on sleeve. There is nothing to feel odd about it. He who appreciates islam is the odd one out in humanity.
Posted by: proud-hindu at May 11, 2008 5:07 AM
jsla: Great interpretation! It got me thinking, which should be the goal in any conversation. I loved the phrase you used, "polish the turd of Islam to a high gloss", a true classic in the conversation on Islam!
pismopal: Nice turn of phrase! "Islamoloathia"
desert dweller: Let's incorperate Pismo's phrase onto the bumper sticker! "Islamoloathia is cool!"
This envoy to the OIC....the name BEGS a "re-write! As in: "Iz-zatta Cucumber???" Something tells me this guy will be about as useful, as that salad vegetable, in bridging the gap between Islam and modern civilization!
Islamophobia: A phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear of something. Modern civilization has over 11,000 reasons, since 9/11, why the fear of this barbarian culture is NOT irrational!
at May 11, 2008 8:24 AM
>>Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.
Concerned Citizen - Ataturk said the above?
Posted by: darcy at May 10, 2008 11:10 PM
Darcy,
Statement recorded in Mustapha Kemal : La mort d’un Empire (1954) by Jacques Benoist-Méchin, as quoted in Jihad in the West : Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries (1998) by Paul Fregosi, p. 407
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at May 11, 2008 12:00 AM
Thanks, but I can't find it in that Wiki.
at May 11, 2008 9:22 AM
Jewel Atkins --
Yes, that detail about the Turk who changes his dress is in "The Little Prince" but often escapes notice. I remember how casually, and approvingly, St.-Exupery alludes to the Turkish "dictator" without naming him, but clearly having Ataturk in mind. And while many might today be surprised, and disapproving of, St.-Exupery's approval of Ataturk's necessary despotism, he was merely expressing what all sensible people at the time thought of Ataturk's attempts to constrain Islam and reform Turkey.
So you, and I, and others at this site, can certainly approve of St.-Exupery's approval.
Posted by: Hugh at May 11, 2008 9:26 AM
Darcy,
It's there about half way down. Edit, Find...rotting corpse.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at May 11, 2008 9:59 AM
Darcy,
It's there about half way down. Edit, Find...rotting corpse.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at May 11, 2008 9:59 AM
Darcy,
It's there about half way down. Edit, Find...rotting corpse.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at May 11, 2008 9:59 AM
Okay, so I've got Cultophobia. I'm coming out.
The difference between a religion and a cult is where religion inspires to achieve higher aspirations, to work towards some greater good in oneself and others, a cult runs on fear, primarily a fear of hell and torment. My dreams of a better life may be religiously inspired, to love and do good, but my fears make me face my enemy's fear of hell, which is his cult.
Religion as a higher aspiration makes sense for a better society, if one believes, but a cult is better suited for a war machine, if one truly believes in the fears. In Islam the fear of hell dominates primarily all actions, oppressing everyone from the caliph down to the lowest slave girl, and the only relief from this fear of hell is to die killing someone else, preferably an infidel, which assures a place in paradise as opposed to hell, with some sort of horny relief cavorting with 72 mythical virgins. You also get points for looting and rapine, and enslaving. So this makes for a good war machine mentality, but is not conducive to a peaceful society, since the fear controls everyone, which makes it 'not a religion' but a cult. Of such cultism, I am phobic, so I suppose I am Cultophobic in the extreme.
If Islam were a religion, I'd have no fear of it, but since it is a war machine cultism, I fear it greatly. Same fear it inspires in its own cult followers, same fear in me. Since I fear the war machine of Islam, by definition I am Islamophobic, which translates into Cultophobic. There, now I said it, and feel much better for it. It is far better to face one's fears than to keep them bottled up in the closet.
So there, '"Islamophobia Observatory'", I fear you. And I fight my fears.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at May 11, 2008 4:18 PM
... a project called the Islamophobia Observatory ...
The search for intelligent life in space!
LOL
Posted by: joeblough at May 11, 2008 4:39 PM
Further on Islamophobic quotations ascribed to Ataturk:
H C Armstrong in Gey Wolf: An Intimate Study of a Dictator (1938 edition) in the following passage quotes Ataturk but without giving any detailed citation:
To his friends he had always made it clear that he would root out religion from Turkey. When he talked of religion, he became eloquent and violent. Religion was for him the cold clogging lava that held down below its crust the flaming soul of the nation. He would tear that crust aside and release the volcanic energy of the people. It was a poison that had rotted the body politic. He would purge the State of that poison. Until religion was gone, he could not make of Turkey a vigorous modern nation.
"For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik," he said, "and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey."
"They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his most intimate habits.
"Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing." Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State. (p.241)
Clearly cause for the Observatory to send out Fireman al-Montag and the Mechanical Camel.
at May 11, 2008 6:04 PM
... a project called the Islamophobia Observatory ...
The search for intelligent life in space!
LOL
Posted by: joeblough
GOOD ONE!
Posted by: PMK at May 11, 2008 6:41 PM
jlsa,
Your comment above was very insightful. It must, indeed, rankle Muslims to see successful Jews, but no matter how they try to dismiss their successes as mere image those pesky objective facts will keep getting in the way. One only has to contemplate for a moment the disproportionate representation of Jews among Nobel Prize winners to understand why most civilized people in the West stand with Israel. For example, check out http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html. Out of 750 Nobel laureates, 162, or almost 22% of the total, are Jews. Their names read like a Who's Who in each of the fields for which Nobels are awarded (e.g., Einstein and Feynmann in Physics, Haber and Prigogine in Chemistry, Bergsen and Bellow in Literature, Samuelson and Sholes in Economics, Ehrlich and Erlanger in Medicine. There is a Peace Prize too, but it is so politicized that it cannot be considered in the same class as the other categories). I can think of only a handful of Muslims who have been Nobel winners, and one of them, Abdus Salam, 1979 in Physics, was a Pakistani Ahmediyya Muslim who suffered greatly because of it (e.g., http://easynash.blogspot.com/2006/12/abdus-salaam-1979-nobel-laureate-in.html). In virtually every field of endeavor Jews have made significant positive contributions to civilization, usually quietly and without fanfare. By way of comparison Muslims offer only bluster and threats.
at May 13, 2008 7:49 AM
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