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A Jaipur update from ABC Radio Australia:
Police in India are sifting through the sites of eight bomb attacks that killed at least 80 people in the north-western city of Jaipur. Police have questioned four people in connection with the attacks which left about 200 people injured.Presenter: Sen Lam
Speaker: MJ Gohel terrorism expert and head of the Asia-Pacific Foundation.GOHEL: Well it's early days yet but the modus operandi, the fingerprints of this attack do point very clearly to Al Qaeda or an Al Qaeda-linked group. We've seen this happening before where al Qaeda-linked groups have used soft symbolic targets to attack, they want to perpetrate mass casualty atrocities by deploying multiple coordinated bombings, and they want to hit at the economy of a country. Now all of those criteria are met here in this attack in Jaipur.
LAM: But all the same though there are several groups in India which may have grievances as well, including the Kashmiri separatists and also the Maoists?
GOHEL: There are certain groups within India and indeed it's possible that one or two may have cooperated. But the suspicion at the moment is forming on a group known as Huji, which was a group established by Osama bin Laden in 1992, and also there's another group but based in Pakistan, called the Lashkar-e-Toiba which has been responsible for attacks in India. And of course as you mentioned there have been attacks in Kashmir, indeed Kashmir was the first victim of this kind of Jihadi terrorism, because it goes back all the way to 1989. And there have been several attacks before in places like Delhi and in Bombay, trains have been attacked and other locations such as the Indian parliament was attacked also in 2001. But what we're now seeing is much more worrying. These attacks have spread to other major cities in India and there is a pattern to this going back over the last few years.
LAM: You mentioned the Lashkar-e-Toiba and indeed India's Foreign Minister is due to visit Pakistan later this month. What about the possibility that the attacks were aimed at derailing the peace process between India and Pakistan?
GOHEL: Well yes the peace process between India and Pakistan is still extremely fragile; India's constant complaint has been that a lot of terrorists are coming over across the border from Pakistan, and indeed we've seen a number of attacks across the world. The trail has led back to Pakistan, where al Qaeda and other extremist groups have established their headquarters. An attack like this could derail the peace process and of course there's also concern that an attack of this nature could set up communal tensions within India, which would be a great tragedy....
Posted by Robert at May 14, 2008 7:03 AM
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There are other stories reporting the same news over at the TimesNow (India)
http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=8334
"HuJI hand suspected behind terror
5/14/2008 8:37:27 AM
"Banned Harkat-ul-Jehadi Islamia (HuJI), operating from Bangladesh, is believed to be behind the serial blasts that rocked the tourist city of Jaipur this evening, killing over 60 people besides injuring at least 200 others.
Updated information from the same site http://timesnow.tv/Newsdtls.aspx?NewsID=8349 includes the statements
"The serial blast that rocked the 'Pink City' -- Jaipur on Tuesday (May 14) was received with shock and speculation from different quarters of the government. In a terror attack which has been suspected to have definite links with India's neighbour, Minister of State for Home -- Sri Prakash Jaiswal pointed a finger at Pakistan for being involved in the Jaipur blasts."
"These blasts are believed to have a similar modus operandi to those serial blasts that took place in Varanasi, Ajmer and Lucknow. Sri Prakash Jaiswal's statement comes endorsing the view that there is an international hand involved in the Jaipur blasts. These so called international links can come be (sic) not only from Pakistan but Bangladesh as well, which is suspected to have sleeper cells in Rajasthan. The HuJI who are suspected to be the prime militant outfit to have carried out the blasts is based from Bangladesh..."
Posted by: Eastview
at May 14, 2008 7:24 AM
as I keep telling you guys the only thing that worries the indian media is derailiing the so called peace process with the arch enemy of pakistan. everything else is a hinderance. nevermind the fact that the pakistani supported cross border terrorisim has killed more than a 100,000 indian citizens since that country was invented by infidal hating muslims. nevermind the fact that pakistan overtly and secretly supports all forms of terrorisim against india and the west. never mind the fact that pakistan supported a near genocidal ethnic cleansing in east pakistan and kashmir of infidals,( thats hindus, sikhs,christians, and buddhists). no, all the indian mediaand the ruling elites worries about are false peace promises from the masters of terror in pakistan.
Posted by: desidude
at May 14, 2008 8:20 AM
These Muslim terrorists could be from Al Qaeda, or not. They could have come from Bangladesh, or Pakistan, or from within the Muslim population withn India. They could have come, for that matter, from Great Britain, having become -- what's the word? -- "radicalized" at a mosque in the Midlands, one paid for by the Saudis. It's mix-'n-match time, as to personnel, and training, and money. But the point is this: these were Muslims making war on India's Hindus, attempting to sow fear, and fear in a major center for tourism as well.
And if they did come from Bangladesh, a country whose Hindus (and the Buddhists still living in the Chittagong Hills) and Christians are subject to every sort of persecution and attack, and driven out, driven into India itself, while at the same time, across that border that is completely porous, between East Bengal and West Bengal, Muslims by the millions have streamed in.
Hindus and Buddhists and Christians have fled Bangladesh across that porous border, because their situation is one of permanent insecurity, discrimination, persecution, and the potential at any point of being murdered by Muslims, who have been known to exit excitely from Friday Prayers and beat a passing Hindu to death. What better way to celebrate one's devotion to Islam. Fun!
But they are not the only ones who have filtered into West Bengal. Beginning with the 1970-71 war for Bangaldeshi independence, in which the army of West Pakistan, helped by local collaborators, fanatical Muslims who, though of the same stock as the Bangladeshis, believed that loyalty to Islam was all, and accepted the army's propaganda line that "Pakistan must stay unified for the sake of Islam" aided the army. And as always, in wartime, civilians fled, and they fled to India, where they were not kept out but welcomed. And ever since, there has been the movement of people -- but only one way -- across the India-Bangaldesh border. That is, Hindus and Buddhists and others continue to flee from Muslim-dominated Bangladesh, where they can expect nothing good, because of Muslim hostility and cruelty, and Muslims leave too, because they are fleeing the misrule that is characteristic of Muslim states.
But -- and here's the point -- Muslims who are allowed into West Bengal (and in India each state is very powerful and can conduct virtually its own immigration policy) do not then settle down as loyal citizens of India, grateful to have been rescued from that misrule, but swell Muslim ranks, and bring with them the sense that Islam must spread, Islam must dominate, and they do what they can -- as Muslim immigrants all over the Western world now do -- to further that goal inculcated by the Total Belief-System of Islam.
One of the things that will happen in the next few decades as a result of global warming is the melting, with bipolar abandon, of icecaps, and among the most likely victims of mass flooding is Bangladesh. The government of India, and the State of West Bengal, has to come up with a policy now, so as not to allow itself to be inundated with Muslims who will not, as one might assume they would be, demonstrate any gratitude or loyalty, but will proceed to work toward the renewal of Musliim rule in India, which was once (and therefore must be again) under such rule.
What should Indian policy be? Perhaps it should be this: we will admit those who check their mental weapons at the door. That is, we will now do what we can to make immigration from Bangladesh controlled, will expel all those who have come from Bangladesh who have demonstrated support for the Jihad goals of Islam, and in the future, we will admit into India from Bangladesh not those who are fleeing rising tides, but those who are fleeing the persecution they suffer as non-Muslims.
Imagine a clever Indian propaganda campaign that, taking into account the primitive nature of the masses in Bangladesh, and their credulity, uses that knowledge to good effect in a campaign to reduce the hold of Islam. Imagine if the floods that are to come could be presented as an direct result of "God's unhappiness" with "those who have kept to the false faith of Islam" (and here, it may be a contentious matter, especially to devout Hindus, as to whether any alternative other than Hinduism ought to be available, abd suggesting Buddhism and Christianity, especially the latter, might offend some Hindus, but for those who agree that the most important thing of all is to weaken the hold of Islam, and to prompt mass conversions out of Islam, any alternative should be welcomed.
Just as, among those who have left Islam in the West, some have become devout Christians (Walid Shoebat) and others free-thinkers (Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq), from the standpoint of all non-Muslims, either outcome will weaken the Camp of Islam, and even if there may be some apostates convinced that their particular choice is the only right one, those who take a more relaxed and at the same time a harder view of such things, will welcome any alternative to Islam.
Is the State of West Bengal, is the Government of India, thinking about the future flooding and what to do about the demographic threat to India from tens of millions more Muslims flooding across the plain? If not, it should be, and should be figuring out ways -- a start is made here -- to weaken the hold of Islam on the minds of those in Bangladesh.
Posted by: Hugh
at May 14, 2008 8:22 AM
I think also the problem is that India and certain elite are trying to picture and subvert some of the historical facts in order to appease and maintain the so called communal harmony. I think many Hindus are disenfranchised from their own political process because of the leftist anti Hindu sentiments. The fact remains that Hindus need to maintain a strong national front that promotes the ancient vedic philosophy and counter Islam to its core. The policies the India government has unfortunately undermined the Indian heritage inorder to promote a constitution that allows concession to Muslims and Islam.
Posted by: savsiv
at May 14, 2008 8:36 AM
Imagine if the floods that are to come could be presented as an direct result of "God's unhappiness" with "those who have kept to the false faith of Islam"
by Hugh
Heaven help us! NO! NO! NO!
The same tactics can be used by Muslims to bring those who are "moderate" back to the mosque, saying the floods are Allah's unhappiness with those who allowed non-Islamic faiths to survive in Bangladesh.
We have similar groups in the US who wear T-shirts saying "God Hates America" and who blame Katrina's devastation of the Gulf Coast on an angry god justly punishing this country because we treat gays humanely and because abortion is tolerated.
The last thing any country needs is to have its own government portray weather events, even those that affect an adversary, as the rage of an angry god. Once that starts then the fight begins over what the god is really saying. Is he angry that Islam exists or angry that anything but Islam exists? That way lies chaos.
at May 14, 2008 9:03 AM
Well it's early days yet but the modus operandi, the fingerprints of this attack do point very clearly to Al Qaeda or an Al Qaeda-linked group.
Was there really any doubt?
Today the whole world knows about Wahhabism but a century ago it was found primarily in the area of Riyadh and a swath of northern India. Al Qaeda had a base of believers in India from day one.
at May 14, 2008 9:11 AM
And of course as you mentioned there have been attacks in Kashmir, indeed Kashmir was the first victim of this kind of Jihadi terrorism...
Apparently MJ Gohel hasn't gotten the memo from our Ministry of Truth (Homeland Security). There is no Jihadi terrorism; just study groups and inner reflection.
Posted by: Seymour Paine
at May 14, 2008 9:39 AM
Off topic, but I need some help.
I'm getting near the point where I'll be able to publish my anti-jihad novel, entitled A Plague On Both Houses, but I'd like to include a quote that states jihad is encumbent on all male believers, whether they support it through combat, through personal wealth or through their tongues.
I know we have sources to cite, but I'm looking for the best and most succinct example. Can people help me find it? Would you please post some links to the quote you think best summarizes the duty to Jihad? Could be Qur'an, hadith or the writing of a mainstream scholar -- whichever is best.
Thank you.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at May 14, 2008 11:03 AM
Is the State of West Bengal thinking about the future flooding...?Yes, and from their POV, it's a good thing, since it ensures the supply of cheap Mohammedan votes for the ruling Communists there. Note that for Communists, Mohammedans are a lesser evil than Hindus (and Americans), and their own loyalty to India is about as high as that of the Mohammedans. What makes this worse is that there are no ethnic differences between the 2 Bengals, just dialect.
Since the Soviets are no longer around and China seems little interested in having an ideological client there, they need an anti-Indian inspiration from outside. What better to provide that than Islam? Which also partly explains why Communists elsewhere - Cuba, N Korea, Venezuela, et al are cozying up to the ummah.
Your analysis is spot on, but never forget that as long as Left Bengal has not only a Communist government, but a comprehensive Communist hold on people's mindset, Muslim infiltration there wont be seen as a problem. And as a result, India will do nothing about it, since the last thing they want to be seen doing is promoting secession of any of their states.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at May 14, 2008 11:18 AM
Woman suicide bomber suspected
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at May 14, 2008 12:17 PM
Yes, you are certainly right about West Bengal. But is it purely a function of a Communist government? Do the more sophisticated Communists in Kerala display the same indifference to the menace of Islam? This is a question, not a rhetorical question.
One thing -- possibly the most important thing -- for non-Indians to know about India is just how significant is the power that each state in India possesses, and how the local conditions, and local rulers, and local population, can be so influential. We prate about "India" but we should be talking about Uttar Pradesh, or West Bengal, and so on.
Or is it I who, from a distance, but sympathetic to the plight of India and of its beleaguered non-Muslims, who have it wrong?
Posted by: Hugh
at May 14, 2008 1:39 PM
But is it purely a function of a Communist government?No, it's also a function of the fact that most Bengalees look at the partition of the greater Bengal as a negative, and blame it on the Brits and history, rather than on the Muslims. So obviously, they don't see Bangladeshis as a problem.
Do the more sophisticated Communists in Kerala display the same indifference to the menace of Islam?Yes. Only difference is that they aren't a state bordering either Pakistan or Bangladesh. But you have a whole lot of other states - Gujarat, Rajastan and Punjab bordering Pakistan, which don't have this problem, because they aren't infested by Communists. On the Bangladesh border, the 2 states that are Communist ruled - West Bengal and Tripura, have very leaky borders, while the other bordering states - Meghalaya, Mizoram et al don't have so much of a problem.
Incidentally, when you read about Indian Communists, imagine a regional party that has influence only in 3 states (out of 28) - Bengal, Kerela & Tripura. Something like the Christian Social Union which is (or was) a Bavarian only party, last I looked. Don't think of something like the CPSU, which was prominent and dominant in all 15 Soviet Republics.
is the power that each state in India possesses, and how the local conditions, and local rulers, and local population, can be so influential. We prate about "India" but we should be talking about Uttar Pradesh, or West Bengal, and so on.Yes & no. India has a federal constitution, but whenever there is a conflict between the central and a state government, the central government prevails. Of course, when the Central government is a coalition of regional parties, then it does sometimes seem as though the states call the shots, since usually a regional party that's also a ruling party in a state can threaten to bring down a central government coalition.
The political situation in India: almost all the parties, except to an extent the BJP & the Shiv Sena, are Dhimmi parties. However, while the BJP is competitive in several states on its own, when it comes to forming a coalition at the center, it's usually unable to do that without the support of anti-Congress dhimmi regional parties. This of course means that they are usually unable to implement their more 'controversial' policies, be it on Kashmir or Ayodhya, but they generally did a good job containing Jihadi activity. However, in states that the BJP is not a player, like in the West Bengal example above, policies that get enacted don't factor them into consideration.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at May 14, 2008 1:59 PM
Here is the latest revelation on why the bombings happened:
Posted by: sanman
at May 14, 2008 2:33 PM
"Imagine a clever Indian propaganda campaign that, taking into account the primitive nature of the masses in Bangladesh, and their credulity, uses that knowledge to good effect in a campaign to reduce the hold of Islam....
...
"Is the State of West Bengal, is the Government of India, thinking about the future flooding and what to do about the demographic threat to India from tens of millions more Muslims flooding across the plain? If not, it should be, and should be figuring out ways -- a start is made here -- to weaken the hold of Islam on the minds of those in Bangladesh."
Posted by: Hugh
"Heaven help us! NO! NO! NO!"
Rejoinder by PMK.
I agree with Hugh, but PMK's objections to this approach are worth considering. When the floods come, Allah's wrath is likely to be cited by the mullahs along the lines PMK suggested in any case, but why should it be left to them to dominate discussions of "who" is to blame? (Besides, they'd most likely just blame the Jews). India should at least examine, coolly and dispassionately, whether a propaganda campaign such as suggested by Hugh could be devised to exploit Islamic ignorance about natural processes.
Posted by: Eastview
at May 14, 2008 3:46 PM
and of course there's also concern that an attack of this nature could set up communal tensions within India, which would be a great tragedy....
And of the greater tragedy of 80 dead - and their disconsolate relatives?
It is always the reaction against Muslim atrocities that are the real tragedy.
This is war, an ongoing 1400 year war, and Muslims know that innocents die in a war. We OTH, still think that it as terrorism, and can be dealt with police action.
Posted by: DP111
at May 14, 2008 5:43 PM
That is, we will now do what we can to make immigration from Bangladesh controlled, will expel all those who have come from Bangladesh who have demonstrated support for the Jihad goals of Islam, and in the future, we will admit into India from Bangladesh not those who are fleeing rising tides, but those who are fleeing the persecution they suffer as non-Muslims.
With tens of millions of fleeing Bangladeshis, cant see how such a policy could ever be effectively applied.
The best thing for all civilised countries is not to allow Muslim immigration as a first step. The next step, is to encourage out-immigration, by making clear that Muslim presence in civilised nations leads to a serious degradation of our quality of life, if not our lives itself.
at May 14, 2008 5:56 PM
Let's think about a couple of postings above:
"as I keep telling you guys the only thing that worries the indian media is derailiing the so called peace process with the arch enemy of pakistan. everything else is a hinderance. nevermind the fact that the pakistani supported cross border terrorisim has killed more than a 100,000 indian citizens"..."all the indian media and the ruling elites worries about are false peace promises from the masters of terror in pakistan" (desidude)
and dp111's comment:
"and of course there's also concern that an attack of this nature could set up communal tensions within India, which would be a great tragedy....
"And of the greater tragedy of 80 dead - and their disconsolate relatives?
"It is always the reaction against Muslim atrocities that are the real tragedy.
"This is war, an ongoing 1400 year war, and Muslims know that innocents die in a war. We OTH, still think that it as terrorism, and can be dealt with police action.
Posted by: DP111 at May 14, 2008 5:43 PM".
When I read these, I thought - 'peace process'? - where have I heard that before? 'Cross-border terrorism'. DP111's acute observation, that a possible 'reaction against Muslim atrocities' (i.e. HINDUS meting out well-deserved punishment upon the Muslim enemy) is viewed as being 'the real tragedy'. (Just as the world howls with horror when Israel does ANYTHING to the jihadi nests in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria).
Of course. I'm sure everyone else has seen the parallels as well.
As Israel, so India. As India, so Israel. 'Peace processing' to oblivion.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy
at May 16, 2008 6:08 AM
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