Truly, it remains an open question whether we're capable of learning from history.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at May 26, 2008 2:57 PM

It is funny that the majority of young British believe that Churchill a fictional character.

Posted by: Mystical Time Traveler at May 26, 2008 3:01 PM

History is a great lesson. Unfortunately many are either too busy and not want to be bothered to learn the past or just to easily brainwashed into believing the currant events are the only reason for what is going on in the world. Knowing what happened is the only way to guarantee that history does not repeat itself. An example of some of the way history is hidden is in India the atrocities committed by Mughals against Hindus is not really taught. Specifically Aurangzeb who was a ruthless Mughal emperor who followed the Koran to the letter.
http://www.fact-india.com/Aurangazeb.php
http://factusa.blogspot.com/

Posted by: savsiv at May 26, 2008 3:21 PM

How about posting the source and maybe explaining the context?

Posted by: billposer at May 26, 2008 3:22 PM

I'm grateful for jihadwatch, but it can be terribly depressing to see this kind of thing posted here, for a relatively limited audience, most of whom are already convinced.

This should be on every major TV network, on every electronic billboard, quoted by every elected official, in the free world. It should be as familiar as the Gettysburg Address.

But it isn't. And it won't be.

Posted by: Novalis at May 26, 2008 3:43 PM

It is funny that the majority of young British believe that Churchill a fictional character.

Worse still, they think he was a car insurance salesman.

And, yes, the answer to many of the problems we faxce today do lie in the past. People always ask "What would Ghandi do?" when the sort of question that would save our civilization ought to be "What would Winston Churchill/Teddy Roosevelt/John Quincy Adams/Augustus Caesar do?" But that would be politically incorrect for the PC crybabies.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 26, 2008 4:02 PM

Bill Poser:

It's from Churchill's October 5, 1938 speech in the House of Commons, criticizing the Munich agreement.

http://winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1189

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 26, 2008 4:07 PM

The Churchill quote inspired me to post these surprising examples of anti-dhmmitude (okay I couldn't think of a better excuse)

Nobel Peace Center opens controversial Fallaci exhibition

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=142960

Italy: Mosque demolished, to be replaced by parking lot named after Fallaci.

http://www.daily.pk/world/europe/81-europe/3940-anti-islam-islamophobia-italy-demolishes-verona-mosque.html

Posted by: Kinana of Khaybar at May 26, 2008 4:18 PM

There's a striking similarity between yesterday and today. At both times a sort of Stockholm Syndrome is at work: People faced with an intimidating force seek to mollify it by not offending it, or even try to identify with it (if you can't beat 'em, join 'em).
The JW crowd is not like that, because we know the enemy, and are not impressed. He's just the a little old man pulling levers behind the monster in Oz.

Posted by: jewdog at May 26, 2008 4:27 PM

wow

Posted by: ironbill at May 26, 2008 4:42 PM

By Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, **Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith**. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Posted by: Han_Solo at May 26, 2008 4:47 PM

Nazism + "it's a religion" = Islam

Posted by: BunrattyBill at May 26, 2008 4:49 PM

There is no Churchill in government now. Perhaps England isn't ready listen. England didn't listen until it was almost too late last time.

The war with Islam for civilization will be incomparably more difficult to win than WWII. And, unless we wake up soon, it will be even more bloody. But the war must be fought for not to fight means that only one outcome is possible--England will be utterly destroyed.

We can do this now through legislation; end Muslim immigration, end welfare, offer all Muslims passage back home, stop the construction of mosques. I know this sounds so improper in our liberal world but tell me you want your children to live under sharia despots.

We have invited the enemy to live among us because we were naive. We continue to invite them because we are led by fools. We do not believe in our own worth nor in our own culture because we are apathetic. We do not want to believe in anything worth sacrifice because we are cowards.

Churchill was a wonderful character, as big and as flawed as any Shakespearean hero. Mercifully, he died before he would see what his England and his English countrymen would become.

We must pray for a leader of Churchillian vision and strength to stir a passion for liberty within the modern Western heart.

Posted by: Guy Macher at May 26, 2008 4:57 PM

You cannot "Lend Lease" fortitude or vision.

England waits for someone with the sense of survival and respect for human dignity and love of liberty and breadth of historical wisdom to arise.

As America also waits.

To our common peril.

"The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves."

-William Hazlitt.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 26, 2008 5:41 PM

IMHO Winston Churchill was the greatest human being ever, which is why I have a repro of an old British WWII propaganda poster on my office wall, featuring Winnie with the quote: "Let us go forward together."
Yes, let us.

Posted by: jewdog at May 26, 2008 5:42 PM

Here's a prologue and a few extracts from the first six chapters of a book titled "Caliphate" written by Tom Kratman, set in an Islamified Europe of the early 22nd Century. It is a work of fiction about life in this dystopian Eurabia and sets out how this Eurabia came about, with flashbacks to the early 21st Century, but lets hope the Europe of the future is nothing like as hellish and frightening as the story in that novel. These extracts can be read by clicking the hyperlink http://www.webscription.net/chapters/1416555455/1416555455.htm

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 26, 2008 5:44 PM

"doped and chloroformed" -- that's good.

The lexical doublet, put into service.
See John Crowe Ransom, "Shakespeare's Language."

Posted by: Hugh at May 26, 2008 5:45 PM

And Churchill also came out with this portentous description about Islam and its followers:

“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.”

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 26, 2008 5:48 PM

And:

"When liberty is taken away by force, it can be recovered by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered."

-Dorothy Thompson.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 26, 2008 5:58 PM

I was raised hearing tales of Churchill from my dad, a member of the RAF in WWII. Truly, he was a man for the ages, a hero not only in his own time, but for as long as our history lives on. It is shameful that he is not celebrated in Britain, that his birthday is not a national holiday, that the youth who live in freedom, due largely to his leadership in the dark days of war, think he is a fictional character.

I doubt we will ever see his like again, more's the pity. We could sure use him now.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at May 26, 2008 6:03 PM

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Sir Winston Churchill

Posted by: darcy at May 26, 2008 6:09 PM

And Churchill also came out with this portentous description about Islam and its followers:

“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.”

But, PUTUS says: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

And Sec. of State is clear: http://usinfo.state.gov/dhr/Archive/2006/Apr/03-37691.html

Posted by: Alert at May 26, 2008 6:25 PM

"What I fear most is that, when we look back in 25 years’ time at this moment, what we will have seen is the surrender of the West, without a shot being fired. They’ll say that in the name of tolerance and acceptance, we tied our own hands and slit our own throats." -- Salman Rushdie

Posted by: darcy at May 26, 2008 6:28 PM

In answer to Spirit of 1683 who noted that people ask "What would Gandhi do?"

He invited the Jews to willingly submit to the Holocaust, and see it as a "day of thanksgiving and joy":

If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest Gentile German might, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this I should not wait for the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance, but would have confidence that in the end the rest were bound to follow my example. If one Jew or all the Jews were to accept the prescription here offered, he or they cannot be worse off than now. And suffering voluntarily undergone will bring them an inner strength and joy...the calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the God-fearing, death has no terror.

He claimed that Israel has no right to exist, and that the land belongs to the Arabs:

My sympathies are all with the Jews. I have known them intimately in South Africa. Some of them became life-long companions. [I.e. "Some of his best friends are Jews". Wait for the "but"...] But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood? Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct.

Gandhi's techniques worked in India because, please note kind reader, Churchill's Britain was not Hitler's Germany.

Look at Gandhi's and Churchill's comments, all roughly contemporaneous. They could be ripped from today's commentary. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

In a way it is re-assuring, giving hope that in the 2000's we will eventually wake up as we did in the 1940's to the situation that awaits our response. The cost this time promises to be no less than that time, whether or not inflation is taken into account.

Posted by: special_guest at May 26, 2008 7:25 PM

Lest I be tarred with the same brush as the majority of Britains who believe that Churchill was a fictional character, I am well aware that Churchill was not Prime Minister during the time of Gandhi's protests in India.

Posted by: special_guest at May 26, 2008 7:41 PM

It is worth recalling that Winston Churchill on p. 50 of From War to War, the first part of the first volume of his 6-part Second World War, proclaimed Hitler’s Mein Kampf to be,

“…the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.”

Posted by: DP111 at May 26, 2008 7:55 PM

special_guest,

Thank you for that quote from mohandas ghandi. I'm not a fan of ghandi. His success in India was a result of the civility, if imperfect, of the British authorities who were susceptible to a non-violent campaign, and who were distinctly not similar to Hitler's minions.

It is also instructive to note ghandi's sentence, "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French." He is incorrect, of course, in regards to his foolish belief that an arab claim to the Holy Land is fundamental: Arabia, perhaps; Israel, Syria, Egypt, or anywhere outside of Arabia, definitely not. Nevertheless, readers might notice that ghandi was, in 1938, unaware of a "Palestinian" nationality. If he had been aware of any such thing, I feel confident that it would have been stated. I reckon this is another example for Hugh's extensive collection of time-stamped quotations concerning the "Palestinians", and the fabrication, as a strategy of the arabs in their jihad-war against Israel, of the "Palestinian" identity.

Posted by: del at May 26, 2008 8:28 PM

Yet another prophetic Churchill gem:

"War has at last been stripped of glitter and glamour. No more may Alexander,Caesar,and Napoleon lead armies to victory,ride their horses on the field of battle sharing the perils of their soldiers and deciding the fate of empires by the resolves and gestures of a few intense hours. For the future they will sit surrounded by clerks in offices,as safe,as quiet,and as dreary as government departments,while the fighting men in scores of thousands are slaughtered or stifled over the telephone by machinery."

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at May 26, 2008 8:30 PM

Sir Winston Churchill's River War is free and obtainable as a Public Domain publication.
Read, or copy it from this www.gutenberg.org site.
http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/gutenberg/etext04/8rivr10.txt
Many other books there. Seek and thee shall find.

Churchill, also made the observation, "The Hun is always, either at your throat, or at your feet."
Transpose 'Muslim', or 'Islam' for 'Hun' and it would be right up to date.

Cheers,

Ray.

Posted by: Greycap at May 26, 2008 9:37 PM

"Support of the masses, is the joy of the timid."
- M K Gandhi (1869-1948)

Posted by: Alert at May 27, 2008 12:13 AM

Another Very interesting article from that Winston Churchill site. Several congruences to today.>>

http://winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=564

Posted by: Liam1304 at May 27, 2008 12:37 AM

Another, much shorter but very salient article from 1996.>

http://winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=785

Posted by: Liam1304 at May 27, 2008 12:41 AM

Churchill did his homework and woke up to the Islamic problem well before many others.

Just out of curiosity: As I understand it, there is more than one book for the followers of Islam. This would follow the example of Torah and Talmud, Old and New Testement, and so on. Now for the $64 question: Are those books available in English via pdf (searchable Acrobat)? That would make it possible for the rest of us to go looking for the original intent.

Posted by: JeromeFromLayton at May 27, 2008 1:21 AM

Gandhi....Everyone has a bad day once in a while.
He also slept with naked young girls to 'test' himself, but no one ever talks about 'that'...

Gandhi was influenced by Leo Tolstoy, They had a written relationship for decades up to Tolstoy's death at 92. The last letter Tolstoy wrote was to Gandhi. Gandhi was given Tolstoy's book, 'The Kingdom of God is within you', (1894). He read it twice and it effected him strongly. He wrote to Tolstoy which started their relationship.
If you are familiar with Gandhi quotes, and you read Tolstoy's book, you can pick out the very line or paragraph, that gave Gandhi the idea. Not that Gandhi got all his ideas from Leo, far from it, but if you read that book you could see where he got some of them...non-violent passive resistance for instance.

Posted by: duh_swami at May 27, 2008 2:28 AM

I got so carried away about Gandhi, I forgot about Churchill.

...Churchill: direct but more potently indirect, with every organ of public opinion doped and chloroformed into acquiescence,

Tolstoy had a line like that, he stated a some strong negatives, and then said, that it would be bad if those things were inflicted upon us, but they are not, they are largely the result of public opinion'.

In our modern day, chloroform is not used to shape public opinion, but dope is. Give a dope some dope and turn on the TV, his opinion needs a little fine tuning...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 27, 2008 2:51 AM

Churchill no doubt had his eccentricities. He was also against granting freedom to English colonies, including India.

But I must admit, one admirable thing about him: He was a REAL prophet. Almost all his words are coming true today, including his views on India.

Posted by: proud-hindu at May 27, 2008 3:15 AM

Not only did Churchill see the menace of Islam, there were others. We now know only too well that the likes of Bishop Fulton J Sheen and Hilaire Belloc were right on the money with these predictions 60 or 70 years ago:

Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power. - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, 1950

and

Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans -- still nominally Christian -- and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam. - Hilaire Belloc, The Great Heresies 1938.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 27, 2008 4:12 AM

Hilaire Belloc also came out with these ominous statements in The Great Heresies:

“It has always seemed to me possible, and even probable, that there would be a resurrection of Islam and that our sons or our grandsons would see the renewal of that tremendous struggle between the Christian culture and what has been for more than a thousand years its greatest opponent."

“The suggestion that Islam may re-arise sounds fantastic – but this is only because men are always powerfully affected by the immediate past: – one might say that they are blinded by it….”

“But not so very long ago, less than a hundred years before the Declaration of Independence…. Vienna was almost taken and only saved by the Christian army under the command of the King of Poland on a date that ought to be among the most famous in history: September 11th, 1683.” – Hilaire Belloc – The Great Heresies, 1938.

And here's this warning from David Selbourne in his book "The Losing Battle with Islam":

"Of course, there are distinguished precedents even for the bleakest and coarsest of these judgements. To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam’s ‘destructive spirit’ spoke ‘only by the sword'; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a ‘wretched book’ in which he had ‘not been able to discover one single idea of value’; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was ‘deadly’, ‘to be feared’ and a ‘form of decadence’." – David Selbourne – The Losing Battle with Islam

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 27, 2008 4:20 AM

Another great Englishman spoke out many times against uncontrolled immigration. He predicted (very accurately as it happens) what this would mean for Britain. He was ignored and ostracised.

His name was Enoch Powell.

Had his own party (the Conservatives) listened to him, the UK would not be in the terrible mess it is in now. There would not be Islamic terrorists amongst us bent on murder, There would not be hundreds of Mosques, and "Islamic Community Centres" funded by our taxes.

Britain would be a far better place to live than it is now. I do not feel in any way "enriched" by the presence of an alien culture with views and practices I find abhorrent living amidst my fellow Englishmen and I. My one wish is that I can see England rid of them before I die. The only thing I am grateful for, is that I have no kids to suffer should this not happen and we do not rid ourselves of Islam. I reckon I have another 30 years, and will do all I can to campaign for an end to all Immigration, an end to Mosque building.

This is why I support the only party doing anything about it.

The British National Party

Posted by: Defender of The Realm at May 27, 2008 5:27 AM

So many brilliant minds warned us against the rise of islam. Why oh why did no-one listen?????

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at May 27, 2008 5:57 AM

And I wonder how many amongst our leaders and populations know what this Thursday (29th May) will mark the 555th anniversary of. History is not the strongest suit of the West these days, but one particular empire passed into history in an orgy of bloodshed as its capital was besieged and its citizens murdered in cold blood by the 'religion of peace' - and the seeds of its eventual destruction were probably planted by the very things we are stupidly doing today in our total ignorance of history.

The fall of Constantinople http://www.greece.org/romiosini/fall.html

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 27, 2008 6:43 AM

So many brilliant minds warned us against the rise of islam. Why oh why did no-one listen?????

because they're the products of 40 years of political correctness, where to criticise Islam or anyone of a different colour skin or ethnic background, or to speak highly of Western civilization is deemed as racism, white supremacism or imperialism. This is the supreme example of what the black academic Shelby Steele describes as 'white guilt', in action.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 27, 2008 7:10 AM

What happened to men like Churchill and Reagan? Why doesn't our culture produce men of wisdom like this any more?

Churchill pegged the problem before it was a problem. Now, what are we going to do with the information?

Yeah, I know. Nothing.

Posted by: pop_culture_brat at May 27, 2008 8:15 AM

Pat Buchanan's latest column blames WWII on Churchill, so Sir Winston must be the fall guy for all Islamic atrocities as well.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at May 27, 2008 8:39 AM

And Churchill also recognised the sort of people who tie our hands in our fight for freedom and civilizational survival a full 75 years ago in this piece shown below:

"The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage-earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country, who, if they add something to its culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large proportion of our politicians.... Nothing can save England if she will not save herself. If we lose faith in ourselves, in our capacity to guide and govern, if we lose our will to live, then indeed our story is told." Winston Churchill, Royal Society of St. George, 24 April 1933

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 27, 2008 9:00 AM

More on Gandhi. In the pre-Independence Hindu-Muslim riots he always came down heavily on the Hindus for fighting back. Appeasement was his second name. No wonder large numbers of Hindu and Sikh refugees from Pakistan were mad at him. The ruling party (Congress) was only too happy when he was made a martyr by some Hindu sore-heads. Gandhi dead was sanctified, proclaimed the deliverer of independence (which is a moot point) and his ghost is still pulled out every election time to get votes. His favorite, Nehru, became India's first Prime Minister who once famously ticked off an Army general about India no longer needing imperialist trappings like an army - only police forces.
I don't believe Gandhi exerts much influence on the present generation of Indians, no matter how many re-runs of Attenborough's "Gandhi" are shown on the TVs.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 27, 2008 9:40 AM

Sita Ram Goel wrote (on Gandhi):

[...]the failure which the Mahatma met vis-a-vis the Muslims was truly of startling proportions. Hindu-Muslim unity was a goal which he had pursued with great dedication throughout his life. He had paid high tributes to Islam, its prophet its caliphs and its scriptures. He had espoused the cause of Khalifat in order to win Muslim hearts. He had befriended even questionable characters like Mohammad Ali because the latter enjoyed the confidence of Muslim masses. He had gone out of his way to humour Jinnah who was always cold and quite often nasty in his manners. He had ignored the invectives that were hurled at him by the Muslim press and politicians. He had even advised the British to hand over power to Muslims and quit. He had always frowned at all efforts to organise Hindus in order to call the Muslim bluff. In short, his policy towards Muslims had been full of appeasement at the cost of Hindu society. But nothing had helped. Muslims had continued to grow more and more hostile.[...] there must be something very hard in the heart of Islam so that even a man of an oceanic goodwill like Mahatma Gandhi failed to move it. He succeeded with the British by making them feel morally in the wrong. He succeeded with such sections of Hindu society as had nourished some grievances of their own and had tried to turn away from the freedom movement. It was only the Muslims with whom he failed miserably.

And there you have it: Gandhi thought that he could shame Muslims into cooperative or otherwise morally informed behavior. He was, of course, disastrously wrong, just as anyone else is -- and will always be -- who thinks that Islam concedes any ethical cognizance, never mind moral high ground, to kaffirs.

If anything, Gandhi's example provides conclusive proof of how not to deal with Islam.

Posted by: pravasi at May 27, 2008 10:03 AM

John Stuart Mill:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse."

"A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

Posted by: Mackie at May 27, 2008 10:33 AM

And I wonder how many amongst our leaders and populations know what this Thursday (29th May) will mark the 555th anniversary of. History is not the strongest suit of the West these days, but one particular empire passed into history in an orgy of bloodshed as its capital was besieged and its citizens murdered in cold blood by the 'religion of peace' - and the seeds of its eventual destruction were probably planted by the very things we are stupidly doing today in our total ignorance of history.

The fall of Constantinople http://www.greece.org/romiosini/fall.html
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683
***************************************************
Perhaps Thursday, May 29th, will also be "...a date which will live in infamy."

555 years later.

Posted by: mepeteart at May 27, 2008 12:09 PM

No more respect for Gandhi once I learned he thought the German Jews should have offered themselves up to the Nazis for slaughter.

Hello - What kind of nutcase thinks that? Gandhi was obviously a huge Jew-hater. From special_guest's Gandhi passage above:

"It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs." --Gandhi, 1938

What! It's the other way around, bub!

Tell me, why was, is, Gandhi admired?

Posted by: darcy at May 27, 2008 12:15 PM

Worse still, Gandhi wanted Britain to surrender to the Germans in 1940. Now just imagine - the world would have been enslaved and living under tyranny had Ghandi had his wish. But unfortunately, there are Ghandis aplenty today who are risking the enslavement of the whole of humanity in a global caliphate.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 27, 2008 12:23 PM

Perhaps Thursday, May 29th, will also be "...a date which will live in infamy."

555 years later.

------------------------------------------

It'll be a damned sight less than 555 years later. 55 years will be much closer to the mark for much of Europe.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 27, 2008 12:25 PM

@1683 - You missed my point. I meant that, given the muslims' penchant for celebrating specific dates by blowing things up, perhaps they intend to celebrate the anniversary of the fall of Constantinople by blowing up the 'new' seat of Christianity...us.

Posted by: mepeteart at May 27, 2008 1:34 PM

Yes Gandhi was assassinated by a Hindu who was defending what now is called the Hindutva movement. Defense of the Hindu traditions. Gandhi was flawed in his attempt to unite the Muslims and Hindus. Both very different cultures. Muslims knew that they would be giving up power once the British left. Before the British arrived the Muslims(Moghals) were ruling and fighting the Hindu Rajputs(kings). The Muslims will never be ruled by anyone else. At the time they would use taqquiya until the British left.

Posted by: savsiv at May 27, 2008 6:12 PM

Dwight D. Eisenhower also foretold our battle against islamofascism:

"You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world."

Posted by: DJM at May 27, 2008 7:30 PM

Novalis

there's nothing to stop you taking the passage Mr Spencer quoted, giving it the title, 'Winston Churchill on Naziphobia, October 5 1938', then repeating the passage, under the title 'Islamophobia', only instead of the phrase 'the Nazi system of dictatorship' you provide the update: 'the goals and methods of Political Islam'.

Then print the whole thing out as a leaflet and disseminate ad libitum.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 28, 2008 12:21 AM

test

Posted by: carpediadem at May 28, 2008 3:53 AM

dumbledore's army,

I invariably respect and enjoy your posts, and they have good sense, good logic and great ideas behind them. But I do long for the day when I can read your reports of what you yourself have photocopied and distributed instead of the endless exhortations to others to do the work of distributing materials found here.

If I have misread your intentions I apologise.

Posted by: carpediadem at May 28, 2008 3:53 AM

carpediadem

thanks for your comments. They prompted a bit of soul-searching.

I am much more of a thinker than a doer.

I make suggestions for leaflets with those people in mind who, for example, regularly commute by train and bus (and can leave something behind on the seat for fellow print-addicts), or who inhabit university campuses, the kind that have noticeboards dripping with everything from Hare Krishna invitations to advertisements for backroom bands, where anything may be tacked up at will (at least, it was, on the campuses that I frequented in the 1980s and 1990s). Such environments also usually contain cafes sporting anything-goes noticeboards.

In such an environment, posters and leaflets can be happily scattered or pinned up, and I make the suggestion with readers in mind who inhabit that environment. (We tend to forget we read and post here with perhaps thousands of people quietly lurking and looking over our shoulders).

(I'd hesitate to letterbox - that's more the province of registered organisations, and half the people in my street have No Junk Mail notices up!! - I didn't dare even put my church's Easter services timetable leaflet into those!).

Unfortunately for me, I'm away out in the suburbs, a classic stay-at-home, school-run-twice-a-day housewife.

So in fact, I've been doing pinpoint strikes, sniping rather than barrages.

Letters to the editor; letters and emails to politicians; an article in my parish church magazine (which is read by 200+ people, many of whom have all sorts of professional and social contacts, and most of whom knew nothing whatever about Islam till I gave them a boiled-down version of Islam 101); and identifying, and educating, strategic people among my social circle.

A few examples of the latter:

A friend who has a PhD and teaches at the Australian Catholic University (despite her education, she had never even read the Qur'an, though she had noticed the Islamic propensity for violence). I think I got her thinking. Next conversation will be follow-up.

Another friend who is married to an investigative reporter at a major Aussie newspaper - I think I've persuaded her to go and get 'Truth About Muhammad', having given it a rave review. I have a couple of articles in mind which I will be sending to her husband - both of which I hope will get his 'investigative' instincts humming.

Another friend who is married to an Anglican minister - she had heard Patrick Sookhdeo speak, and was also talking about two neighbours she has, one Bengali Muslim, one Bengali Hindu, and remarking on how much the Hindu lady seemed to fear the Muslim family (you can imagine how fast I moved to give her the cogent reasons for that observed fear!).

A very savvy great-uncle who has extensive contacts with the police and the Returned Servicemen's League [it took no more than five minutes of my giving him and his wife the most basic information about Islam, none of which they had ever heard of previously, for them to remark that halting Muslim immigration would be a Very Good Idea].

What I'm hoping - I gave him a slew of things I thought he'd find accessible and handy, including 'Fitna'!, and Churchill's great quote on 1920s Iraq being "an ungrateful volcano", and a terrifying article by a Sydney policeman about the beginnings of jihad in Sydney in the 1980s - is that he can pass the warning, backed up with the hard info I've given him, back to his RSL and retired policemen mates, who all have links with those in active service.

A brother who is active in the State Emergency Services [I gave him PIG to Islam and the Crusades, together with selected items including an article about jihadis practising in the Canadian bush, since my brother lives in exactly the sort of place that wannabe jihadis might choose for combat training). He didn't need persuading that Islam was dangerous - from what he said when I gave him the book, he'd already worked that out. What he was getting from me, his scholarly big sister, was confirmation in spades, of his gut instinct, plus concrete information to use as ammunition.

One person at the top of my 'to do' list, but I want to make my spiel face to face, is my best-loved aunt, who is pretty high up in the Diplomatic Corps. She's Francophone, so in the Christmas card I sent in December '07, I mentioned I'd been reading up about Islam and recommended Bat Yeor's books, and Antoine Fattal. Next time I see her I have to raise the matter again and find out what she thought.

I've also got my eye on her eldest daughter, who was a Rhodes Scholar and studied international law and human rights, and now practises as a lawyer. I *have* to tell this lawyer cousin that anyone working in the field of human rights, and international law, nowadays, has *got* to read Bat Yeor and Fattal on dhimmitude, and Joseph Schacht on Islamic Law.

Next task: getting Bostom's Legacy of Anti-Semitism and offering a review of it, to my church's diocesan paper.

So, when I think about it, though broadcasting (posters, leaflets) is great for those with the opportunities, I've mostly been, myself, a sniper or dropper of depth charges, rather than a broadcaster.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 30, 2008 12:51 AM

Erratum in the above. I meant, of course, 'Bostom's "Legacy of Islamic Anti-Semitism"'.

PS - Add to my list of 'targeted contacts', a very intelligent gentleman, a member of my church, who works at a major hospital which employs - alas - a great many immigrant MUSLIM doctors. He has expressed severe doubts about the competency and attitude of those Muslim doctors. I was explaining some things about what Our Hugh calls 'the atmospherics of Islam', and the texts from which they arise, that might explain the attitude of those doctors toward their Infidel patients and colleagues.

(I also - naughty me! - gave him a nice copy of 'Fitna'...).

If this man 'gets' it - and I think he will - he will be in a position to pass his uncomfortable new knowledge on to all his other Infidel workmates - admin, nurses and doctors - and perhaps, too, some of the patients, in a very big city hospital.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 1, 2008 12:17 AM