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June 1, 2008

Deobandis again condemn "terrorism," but leading cleric explains that jihad and terrorism are not synonymous

"He said that while terrorism is destructive, jehad is constructive."

Much will be made of this declaration in the mainstream media, as was the case with the last one. Still, it contains the same inherent flaws that even the reporter notices in the article below (in spite of the headline calling it a "first"): the treatment of "terrorism" and "jihad" as separate concepts, and the equivocation afforded by adjectives such as "unjust" and "innocent," where again, the clerics rely on many readers' assuming their ideas of justice and innocence agree to a meaningful extent with those of the Deobandis.

"Deoband first: A fatwa against terror," from The Economic Times, June 1:

NEW DELHI: For the first time ever, Islamic seminary Darul-Uloom Deoband issued a fatwa against terrorism on Saturday, stating Islam had come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace. The Darul-Uloom had denounced terrorism for the first time in February, but had not issued a fatwa so far.
Saturday’s fatwa, signed by Darul-Uloom’s grand mufti Habibur Rehman, asserts that "Islam rejects all kinds of unjust violence, breach of peace, bloodshed, murder and plunder and does not allow it in any form".
Citing the "sinister campaign" to malign "Islamic faith...by linking terrorism with Islam and distorting the meanings of Quranic Verses and Prophet traditions", Mahmood Asad Madani, leader of Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind, had wanted Deoband to spell out the stand of Islam on world peace.
The fatwa, issued before a huge gathering of Muslims in Delhi’s Ramlila Ground for the Anti-Terrorism and Global Peace Conference, went on to say, "It is proved from clear guidelines provided in the Holy Quran that allegations of terrorism against a religion which preaches and guarantees world peace is nothing but a lie. The religion of Islam has come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace. Allah knows the best."
The conference was addressed by Jamiat chief and Darul-Uloom’s deputy rector Hazrat Maulana Qari Sayed Mohammed Usman.
He called the conference historic as Muslims of different sects and ideologies — including Nadwatul Ulama Lucknow, Jamaat-e-Islami Hind and All India Muslim Personal Law Board — ratified the fatwa against terrorism.
The exclusively-male turnout that read an "oath of allegiance" to the fatwa cheered most lustily as speakers attacked the US.
Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind leader Madani, an MP, stated that the fatwa should be welcomed by the entire Islamic world.
"Killing of innocent people is not compatible with Islam. The biggest challenge faced by us today is terrorism (which) threatens to strike at the very root of the secular structure of our society besides causing irreparable loss," stated Madani.
Notwithstanding the caveats like "unjust" and "innocent", which may make it appear falling short of an unequivocal condemnation of terrorism, the fatwa is viewed by many as a significant step forward towards rallying the public opinion against terrorism.
Coming after the February 25 denunciation, it is seen as reflective of the growing recognition on the part of clerics to counter misgivings about interpretations of scriptures.
Deoband has lately been under intense focus because many of the terrorist groups — from Taliban to Jaish and Harkat — are widely perceived to be Deobandi in orientation.
However, it was when the deputy rector of Deoband, Usman, came down heavily on "the dual policy of America" that the massive crowds cheered the most. "Whenever Christian and American interests are hurt in any part of the world, they take prompt action to set things right even at the cost of human lives. They maintain silence though when Muslims are the victims," he said, further criticizing the US for its support to Israel.
According to Usman, Jamiat recently held a series of conferences and meetings with madrassas in Lucknow, Ahmedabad, Hyderabad, Kanpur, Surat, Varanasi and Kolkata to carry forward the anti-terror movement which was initiated at Deoband in February. Usman said that many people, especially in the West, were carrying out a propaganda that terrorism was synonymous with jehad.
He said that while terrorism is destructive, jehad is constructive. "Terrorism is the gravest crime as held by Quran and Islam. We are not prepared to tolerate terrorism in any form and we are ready to cooperate with all responsible people," he said.

Thus, once again, the fatwa amounts to a condemnation of supposed "terrorism" on the part of the West, and is meaningless where Islamic jihad is concerned.

Posted by Marisol at June 1, 2008 12:17 AM
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Marisol,

This whole article is nothing but a bunch of tripe! Oh the "evil" United States and Israel killing innocent Muslims is the "gravest crime as held by the Quran and Islam". (I thought that gangster Mo said 'shirk' was the worst sin?)

Anyhoo, your final statement pretty much summed up the whole article quite nicely. I wish these animals would learn the meaning of brevity....

Posted by: boneshack [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 12:59 AM

"...They maintain silence though when Muslims are the victims..."

Yeah, I guess we'll be taking back that 2.82 Billion dollars we donated to the victims of the 2004 Tsunami that hit Indonesia and other Muslim countries...

And, I guess no Black Hawk helicopters were shot down trying to help Somali Muslims...

And, I guess we didn't send 20,000 troops into Bosnia to help stop the killing of Muslims... Nor, did we have anything to do with handing Bosnia over to the Muslims...

I could go on, but I am now understanding that I was misunderstanding what it was I thought I understood we did, before I was told I misunderstood...

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 1:13 AM

From article: The religion of Islam has come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace. Allah knows the best."

Since Islam has no ties to terrorism, what terrorism is it that he would 'wipe out'? And 'how' would they 'wipe out' such terrorism? How is 'wiping out', and a 'message of global peace', not an oxymoron, or Islamic double talk, also know as taqiyya, or in plain English, bull pucky. Besides, thats a supremacist statement, backed up by none other than Allah. Allah knows best means that anything a muslim wants to do is OK with him...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 1:20 AM

It is important to remember that when a Mahometan says an "innocent" they are not referring to those who have rejected the religion that was whispered into Mhmds ear by the entity that called itself Gabriel. They are referring to Muslims as being innocent. The same goes when a Muslim talks of "injustice", to a Muslim it is unjust when Christians rescue a Muslim from the death cult, or even when Christians are free to worship God according to their conscience towards God.

I do not think it is takiya so much as our understanding of such terms as innocent and justice differ so much from the dualistic, adversarial views of Muslims and others whose freedom has been compromised by delusions.

It might be a bit less nerve wracking for the west if Islamists confine themselves to slow Jihad, using incremental means rather than the more traditional Jihad of conquest, pillage and rapine modeled by their preacher. But those who value what our civilization has created over the centuries should still be aware that the final aim of muslims remains the same wether they disagree as to the methods to achieve the extinguishing of truth and liberty.

Posted by: stickman [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 2:13 AM

"Islam had come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace."

Which of course is why Muhammad embarked on a decades-long campaign of conquest, rapine, plunder, the routine killing and enslavement of captives, the use of assassination, the seizure of the wives of others, and miscellaneous other peace-promoting activities.

At some point, someone must disseminate objective information about this creed's dogmas and history widely enough to put such claims beyond the pale. But if not now, when? If not us, who?

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 5:29 AM

The Muslims will say anything to keep the Infidels sleeping and not waking up.

More on this story:
http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/2008/06/01/a-jehad-is-not-terrorism-classic-islamic-doublespeak/

Posted by: dee [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 6:36 AM

"Islam had come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace."

What l have come to understand from this article, is that muslims say what is black is white, and what is white is black. To know their logic is to understand themselves.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 6:51 AM

"He [the deputy rector of Deoband, Usman] said that while terrorism is destructive, jehad is constructive."

"Terrorism" is merely the word now employed by Muslim apologists to describe that subset of acts of terror that, by being so egregious and so sensational, result in more harm to the cause of Islam and to Muslims, then they do to promote the cause of Islam.

This is not a moral condemnation, but a practical one, for those who read between the lines. It is surely not a condemnation of any of the attacks on civilians in Israel-- the bombs at Passover celebrations, on busses, the seizure of schoolchildren and their massacre at Ma'alot or a dozen littler Ma'alots. One wonders if those who took part in this mass rally, screaming most enthusiastically at the condemnation of America, would think the bombs in the Madrid subway, or on the London busses, or the seizure of the Moscow theatre, would qualify as being acts of "terrorism."

So many important Muslim clerics, including Al-Qaradawi, have managed, for example, to redefine what we call "suicide bombing" as something else, in order to avoid having to condemn it as "suicide" (whichis not permitted in Islam). And this is done very simply. The attacker is likened to a heroic figure from the Islamic past, a warrior attacking a much larger group of Infidels, and knowing that in the course of that attack, he is likely to be killed. This is the same thing, it is claimed, as the person who, with a bomb-vest, attacks a large group of Infidels -- knowing "he is likely to be killed" in his heroic mass-murder of Infidels, which is fine, but not deliberately committing suicide, which would be breaking the rules.

Similarly, the word "terrorism" as used to apply to acts by Musllims is very small indeed, and the way to see this is to offer specific examples -- attacks in Amsterdam, London, New York, Beslan, Kashmir, Mumbai, Delhi --to discover exactly how small are the number of acts by Muslims, acts that no non-Muslim would have any trouble identifying as acts of terorrism, that would be called terrorism by Muslim spokesmen who, as at this entirely transparent rally, are engaged not in a public display of moral revulsion, but a public display of...public relations.

What worries these Deobandi leaders in India, gathered for this phony rally, is that many Infidels, amazingly, are starting to realize, when they get up in the morning and are confronted with the last day's Jihad News From All Over, are less and less likely to accept the usual apologetics, from both Muslims and members of the political and media elites who have decided to be handmaids, in Infidel lands, of the Jihad, explaining away, or attempting to disguise, or make little of, or to misstate (as our State Department) the real nature of the problem, so as not to "offend the moderates" with whom "we have to work."

They want to be able to continue, around the world, within Infidel lands, to make war -- to conduct Jihad -- against Infidel legal and political institutions, and against all Infidels who dare to resist the removal of all obstacles to the spread, and dominance, of Islam. But they have to keep up a steady patter as they do so, taking care to describe "jihad" as what it is not, and also taking care to denounce, with rhetorical loopholes of the kind W. C. Fields would have admired, carefully unspecified acts of "terrorism."

What they mean is: we have to go through this in order to limit the damage to Muslim interests.

It is no different with all those crocodile tears and public displays of solidarity by Muslim clerics at Interfaith-Racket appearances, and assorted candelight vigils, immedidately after the attacks in Sepember 2001. How many of those clerics were later found to have been saying, all along, before, and after, and during, those appearances, quite different things? How many of them have quickly decamped, gone back to Egypt or elsewhere in the Middle East, once they were exposed and could no longer play the game?


Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 7:21 AM

He sounds a little like Obama trying to separate himself from the religious clerics he has been listening to for a long time. Separating Islam from terrorism is like trying to separate water from water.

Posted by: pulsar182 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 7:33 AM

Interesting, as Islam itself can be considered Muhammad's original fatwa against Jews, Christians, and pagans. They can't ever seem to get over that part of it.

Posted by: Connie [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 7:45 AM

"...and we are ready to cooperate with all responsible people."

And just who is a responsible person? Is it Ken Livingstone, who epitomizes dhimmitude in Britain today? Possibly it is George Bush, who assures us repeatedly that Islam is a "religion of peace."
Maybe is could be Condolezza Rice, with her Alice in Wonderland peace conferences. Yeah, that's it. We need more of these types of "responsible" people. /sarc off.

Posted by: George Mc. [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 7:51 AM

From article: Citing the "sinister campaign" to malign "Islamic faith...by linking terrorism with Islam and distorting the meanings of Quranic Verses and Prophet traditions",

Now isn't it interesting that we have just read where the US gov has said essentially the same thing...disconnect Islam from terrorism.

That is precisely what RS and JW/DW are accused of constantly, 'a sinister campaign' to link jihadi terrorism to Islam, by distorting the true meanings of Quran and Mohammad. Take out the words, sinister, malign, and distorting, and whats left? Inquiry and discovery. The very last thing Islam wants or needs.
Muslims don't inquire and they don't discover.
The world is inquiring, and the world is discovering. The discoveries are threatening to Islam. Generalizing these discoveries into the public is slow but forward moving. This is what has them panicked. This fatwa is an attempt at damage control, but the jinn is already out of the bottle, and no fatwa or government word magick can get it back in.
The demise of any religion, is to be 'found out'.
Islam has been 'found out', by legions,(Thanks to the internet primarily), of kuffars, and growing numbers of apostates. I don't think we have yet heard the last gasps of Islam, but fatwa's and comments, as in article, give me hope...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 8:18 AM

As Mr. Spencer has pointed out in virtually all his books, killing infidels with "terror" is a divine commandment of allah. Since the killing of infidels is a divine instruction of allah it cannot be deemed "terrorism." As such, islam sanctifies the murder of the non converting infidel with great terror as a sacrament.

"Islam rejects all kinds of unjust violence, breach of peace, bloodshed, murder and plunder and does not allow it in any form".

Liar! We infidels are not as stupid as you think! While it is true that islam purports to reject terrorism against muslims (this is not true for other reasons), allah sanctifies terrorism against infidels as a special punishment and something holy against infidels because the infidel did not follow guidance and become a muslim. Why not admit the truth and state that islam only sanctions terrorism against allah's enemies instead of saying islam does not believe in terrorism at all?

Admit the truth! Islam advocates terrorism against allah's enemies. Islam advocates terrorism against non-muslims.

Posted by: David England [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 8:41 AM

Terrorism to a Muslim is life outside Islam.

Deobandis has no ability to view America in reality. The United States has done more to prevent Muslims from "Terrorizing" each other than any other Country.

Take Iraq. Exactly how many Muslim dead were on Saddams hands? Two wars, Gassing his own, A Million Infants(that some how we were blamed for???).

We removed him for good and what do we find ourselves doing? Trying to keep Muslims from killing Muslims only on a more up close and personal way.

He does note, to his annoyance, that we do take notice of Muslims who do us injury. Especially when the perpetrators use the "Faith" to justify the act.

Of course, today we have the Merry-Go-Round of words to ride. Where all the riders have had their fill of the many flavors of words a Carnival would have. A Merry-Go-Round is never by itself. It is always surrounded by a vast and eclectic band of vendors to attract the most diverse group of riders. Amongst the many attractions, it is the vendors of words who draw the multitudes attention the most. They are symbolic of the Hot Dogs and Burgers, the Fries and Catchup, the Fritta with sugar, the Beer and Wine, the Sausage and pepper and onions, Cotton candy and soda, the Snow Cone, the Ice cream, the Candy Apple, or the Carmel with nuts, the Pizza, always the Pizza, some of the many to sample from. Let us not forget the plethora of selection from the International pavilion. A selection far to wide to mention but a portion had by all.

When all have had their fill, digesting their culinary indulgences, comes the the urge to fulfill the purpose of their coming.

Many, oh so many, hop on the Pony. The happy, smiling faces are worthy of many pictures. As the spinning begins all seems well. Till a sudden feeling in the pit of ones Stomach makes an annoying appearance. Growing more pronounced with each passing turn. Realizing the ride was best left unmade is little comfort in light of the casual indifference, with a hint of glee, in the eye of the man who runs the ride. For he knows, even heavy Hose work will not deter those who wait in line. They all came to ride the Merry-Go-Round. Of which all will pay a price

Posted by: flowerknife_us [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 9:36 AM

I am no fan of the BJP, of their Hindutva doctrine, of their assaults on Christians and Buddhists (and anyone who tells you they are not doing it is either ignorant or in bad faith). But one does wonder whether the outnumbered Muslims of India would be so quick to condemn "terrorism" however defined and to talk peace to assorted journalists if it wasn't for the certainty that a large minority of the Hindu majority is willing and ready to break their heads if they step out of line.

Posted by: Paolo [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 11:06 AM

The distinction between jihad and terrorism is starting to remind me of Mel Brook's explanation of the difference between comedy and tragedy in which the west falls down the open sewer

Posted by: epaminondas [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 11:36 AM
"For the first time ever, Islamic seminary Darul-Uloom Deoband issued a fatwa against terrorism on Saturday"

Ha! Was this a genuine fatwa? Or was it bought and paid for by Islamist apologists in the West?

Why ask? Because in 2006 the Darul-Uloom Deoband seminary was caught in a sting operation by Star TV, which broadcast undercover footage of ten of its clerics demanding and receiving cash for fatwas.

School in fatwa-for-cash sting.

The fatwas issued included ones mandating that Muslims are not allowed to use credit cards, double beds or camera-equipped cell phones; that Muslims should not act in films, donate their organs or teach their children English; and that Muslim girls should not wear jeans.

Following the exposure, Mufti Habibur Rehman - the now Grand Mufti signatory of the fatwa mentioned above - was suspended from the fatwa department pending an investigation.

Astonishingly - NOT! - following the investigation, and despite the TV evidence, both the school and the clerics were absolved of blame. Instead, Muslim commentators put the blame on a conspiracy by "pro-Israeli" Rupert Murdoch, owner of Star TV, whom they claimed was attempting to influence politics in India.

JW’ers interested in the mind-numbing, conspiracist excuses for the incident put forward by the pro-cleric apologists can find an account at:

http://www.makepakistanbetter.com/why_how_what_forum.asp?GroupID=9&ArticleID=490

Matamoros (the original one)

Posted by: Matamoros [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 12:42 PM

Jihad is not terror. Islam is terror.

Islam is the perpetual terror of the darkest primitive mind.

Jihad is the mental circuit path that puts the primitive mind, driven by terror, in control of thoughts and actions. Jihad is the master switch for Islamic duality. It is the magic "get out of jail free" card.

That was not lying. That was jihad!

That was not stealing. That was jihad!

That was not rape. That was jihad!

That was not cold-blooded murder. That was jihad!

That was not genocide. That was jihad!


Posted by: Stendec [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 1:36 PM

The religion of Islam has come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace.

What they'll do next is define "terrorism" as anything non-Muslim. And then they can "wipe it out" in the name of allah, because, after all, Allah knows the best.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 3:09 PM

Paolo wrote:

I am no fan of the BJP, of their Hindutva doctrine, of their assaults on Christians and Buddhists (and anyone who tells you they are not doing it is either ignorant or in bad faith). But one does wonder whether the outnumbered Muslims of India would be so quick to condemn "terrorism" however defined and to talk peace to assorted journalists if it wasn't for the certainty that a large minority of the Hindu majority is willing and ready to break their heads if they step out of line.

Paolo, the BJP or Hindutva are not against Buddhism, on the contrary, they see them as part of or akin to their religion. They are not assaulting Christians either. There were some isolated incidents: sometimes Pakistanis bombed churches in Tamil Nadu and tried to blame it on Hindus, and in some isolated incidents Hindus did assault Christians, but this never happened without prior provocation, read for example Koenraad Elst on this.

http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.org/articles/chr/rasschaert.html

I'm no fan of Hindutva, but you should know that most of the anti-Hindutva rethoric is done by Islamic apologists.

Posted by: dee [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 4:52 PM

stendec, personofthebook -

I agree with you.

That's the conclusion I reached, also, as I read through the posted article. I decided that they were defining 'terrorism' as any sort of Infidel resistance to the march of Islam.

David Hume the Scottish philosopher saw right through Islam in one paragraph that is almost as lethal as John Quincy Adams' famous demolition job. I've posted it on other threads lately, and I'll post it again. He writes:


"But would we know, whether the pretended prophet {Mohammed} had really attained a just sentiment of morals?

"Let us attend to his narration; and we shall soon find, that he bestows praise on such instances of treachery, inhumanity, cruelty, revenge, bigotry, as are utterly incompatible with civilized society.

"No steady rule of right seems there to be attended to; and every action is blamed or praised, so far only as it is beneficial or hurtful to the true believers." 


"David Hume (1711-1776) "Of the Standard of Taste: Paragraph 4" (1757).

A jihadwatch poster called 'Rublev' first shared that wonderfully lucid paragraph here at jihadwatch on September 4 2004, and as I read through the archives I was so much struck by it that I copied and kept it.

Note well Hume's final remark about Islamic 'ethics': "every action is blamed or praised, so far only as it is beneficial or hurtful to the true believers." 


The Deobandi statement on 'terrorism' conforms perfectly to that paradigm. One realizes that they would approve the intent of the jihadi assassins at Beslan, and would most probably not feel even the slightest twinge of horror at the sickening cruelties that those assassins inflicted upon Infidel women and small children during that attack.

A further note: isn't it wonderful how any level of acquaintance with George Orwell turns out to be the best possible training for seeing through Islamspeak?

If the miracle happens and our societies collectively wake up in time, our military officers, as well as reading Sun Tzu and the Quran and Spencer's 'Onward Muslim Soldiers' (used as a guide, to enable the soldiers to make sense of the Muslim military texts they will be judiciously examining with a view to counter-tactics), will ALSO be reading George Orwell's '1984', the sections on Newspeak.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 4:59 PM

Dumbledoresarmy,

Many thanks for sharing that excellent 18th century quotation from David Hume.

To me, it is remarkable and sad how much practical knowledge has been discarded and wisdom unlearned in the West since then. Hard lessons about civilization, learned by trial and error through centuries of human misery and turmoil, are just tossed aside as irrelevant to the modern era. And so the worst and most consistent perpetrators of that human misery and turmoil across history--the Mohammedans with their slave empire--run rampant once again across the globe, under a thick smokescreen of doublespeak, aided by modern communications media, and abetted by those foolish and willfully ignorant narcissists who frame the issues and shape the debate within the halls of power.

Orwell's '1984' has been constantly in mind since I first stumbled across Jihad Watch in the fall of 2005. The Islamic doublespeak that masks Muslim supremacist aggression is horrific enough. The Western parallel (dhimmified) response--to forbid the use of certain words and to change the meaning of others to mean the opposite of what is demonstraby true--is simply blood curdling.

Jihad Watch has got things exactly right. The two most important words that must be understood today by every citizen of the West are jihad and dhimmi--understood in the way that David Hume obviously did, and in the way that our current pathetic crop of leaders, quite obviously, don't, or won't.

Posted by: Stendec [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 1, 2008 10:11 PM

Didn't anyone read the text carefully? They're against killing of innocents.
Who is innocent, and who isn't...
Ah. there's the conundrum.

Posted by: Hedgehog [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 12:25 AM

Somewhere the words and actions of Islam do not match. That exposes it for what it is - a bunch of lies.

Now even the words of Islam do not cohere. Ifs, Buts, Maybe s etc.

All in the following of the Sunnah. The profiteer (er.. the prophet, and piss be upon him) was also an equivocal speaker, leading many of his time through the scam of Islam.

Free and scientific thinking, with PC pushed into oblivion - only this can free the world of Islam.

Sorry to be pessimistic, but that won't come from India.

Posted by: proud-hindu [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 5:13 AM

Dee: so the Catholic agency AsiaNews, one of the most powerful opponents of Islamic oppression as well as such thing as Chinese oppression, is a bunch of Muslim dupes? Give me a break. Just because we are dealing with a very large and voracious monster, it does not mean that there are no other monsters around.

Posted by: Paolo [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 8:08 AM

Paolo: It would help if you would refer to specific incidents, instead of to a Catholic News Agency, that like all religious groups may be biased in the reporting.

Of course there were incidents of inter-religious conflict, but I guess you know that this also happened the other way around.

What you should keep in mind is that Jews, Christians and Parsis lived for hundreds or thousands of years peacefully in India, and this is quite unique in world history. The same cannot, for instance, be said of Jews living in Muslim or Christian lands.

Posted by: dee [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 9:31 AM

Here are some quotes from Koenraad Elst this media bias in blaming the Hindus for everything:

In particular, all manner of small incidents within the Christian
community were at once blamed on the evil hand of Hindu nationalism.
In Kandhamal, Orissa, a Christian man murdered a girl and her little
brother. At once, a cry went up in the secularist and Christian media
that Hindu nationalists had perpetrated the crime. When the official
investigation revealed the true story, it was reported only marginally
in Indian papers and not at all in the international media, which
had eagerly carried the initial allegations.

Likewise, in the Central-Indian town of Jhabua, a quarrel among mostly
christianized tribals led to the rape of four nuns. With no Hindu
nationalists in sight, the media decided nonetheless that this was
an act of Hindu nationalist cruelty against the poor hapless Christian
minority. Though the official investigation confirmed the total innocence
of the Hindu nationalists in this affair (more details on these and
similar cases in Arun Shourie, Harvesting Our Souls, ch.1), their
guilt has been consecrated by endless repetition in the media. While
the media in India couldn't prevent the truth from quietly making
itself known, the international media have never published a correction,
and the story of "four nuns in Jhabua raped by Hindu nationalists"
now keeps on reappearing as an evergreen of anti-Hindu hate propaganda.

Similarly, a series of bomb blasts against Christian churches in South
India was automatically blamed on the Hindu nationalists. In that
version, the story made headlines around the world: Hindu bomb terror
against Christians. Hindu organizations alleged that it was a Pakistani
operation, a blame-shifting exercise which only earned them ridicule
and contempt. Yet, when two of the terrorists blew themselves up by
mistake, their getaway car led the police to their network, and the
whole gang was arrested. It turned out to be a Muslim group, Deendar
Anjuman, with headquarters in Pakistan. But this was not reported
on the front pages in India nor made the topic of flaming editorials;
and in the international media, it was not reported at all. In the
worldwide perception of Hindu nationalism, the association with raping
nuns and bombing churches has stuck.

(...)John Dayal is welcomed to Congressional committees in Washington DC
as a crown witness to canards such as how Hindus are raping Catholic
nuns in India, an allegation long refuted in a report by the Congress
state government of Madhya Pradesh. Arundhati Roy goes lyrical about
the torture of a Muslim politician?s two daughters by Hindus during
the Gujarat riots of 2002, even when the man had only one daughter,
who came forward to clarify that she happened to be in the US at the
time of the "facts". Harsh Mander has already been condemned
by the Press Council of India (decision 14/106/02-03 dd. 30 June 2003,
Dr. Krishen Kak vs. Times of India) for spreading false rumours about
alleged Hindu atrocities in his famous column Hindustan Hamara (Times
of India, 20 March 2002; incidentally a title borrowed from a poem
by Mohammed Iqbal, who claimed "our India" for Islam and became
the spiritual father of Pakistan).


Posted by: dee [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 9:36 AM

WORLD PEACE BABY!!!

Posted by: AllahSnackbar [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 12:37 PM

Islamic 'Cult of Allah' can be beaten, without terrorism or counter-terrorism

First of all, any Muslim who wishes to quietly believe in Mohammad's religious diktat, without forcing his or her will on anyone else. If theirs is their heart connection between 'man and God' he or she is entitled to that freedom of conscience as is any believer of any religion, per this choice to believe in their deity as they will. That is not the problem, provided it is a private faith. The problem of Islam is the 'Cult of Allah' that demands total submission for the whole world to a supremacist 7th century Mohammedan ideology of conquest for Allah: Jihad. This Cult of Allah must be resisted and discredited, and ultimately totally overturned to erase it from the face of the Earth. It can be done, quietly and without a shot fired, without their even being aware that they are being eliminated, one believer at a time. It will take a passive resistance at all levels to wipe it out, but especially at the grass roots level of personal contact with this Cult.

Resistance to the Allah Cult is grass roots resistance. It requires an awareness this Cult demands we surrender our natural freedoms to its diktats of Allah, not the same deity worshipped by all religions universally, but a resurrected pagan Mesopotamian moon god raised to the 'One'. This 'One' deity does not allow for a freedom of conscience, nor freedom of thought and belief, but a strict disciplinarian 'total submission' to their warlike ideology of Mohammad's (and his successor Caliphs') world domination ideology. This is a War Cult, and it should be not only understood at that level (which most of us here already understand) but it should be treated at all levels of interactions with that understanding. Here is the passive resistance blueprint to overcome the Allah Cult of Islam:


1. Resist any mosque building in your area, at the municipal political level as well as at editorial level of news media; their mosques are command centers of conquest of our freedoms for the Allah Cult, and must be stopped everywhere, since their Cult is NOT a religion protected equally to all religions by the First Amendment, but a world conquest supremacist ideology unlike any other religion.

2. Remain guarded in your friendship with Muslims until you understand where they stand; if they support Jihad, then they cannot be friends since they support the Allah Cult; but if theirs is a private faith (even if they lie about it) then acknowledge their belief but remain guarded, because they can 'revert' at any moment to the Allah Cult in support of Jihad; and NEVER broach the Koran with them (which is their war-manual of their Cult) because to acknowledge it is either their own private affair, or if a public affair of political nature. (In private friendships with Muslims, religions must remain a totally private matter, or else we endorse their political aspirations of Sharia Jihad)

3. Remain guarded in patronizing Islamic run businesses, especially if they support Jihad; they may not be afforded the same equal patronage as all other business enterprises since duplicity is a criterion of this Cult, and it must be stopped from secretly funding its ideology of conquest; avoid their superstitious fears of dogs and bacon.

4. No Sharia concessions at any level of legal conduct, not at schools or public facilities, not even family practice; they must be made to obey OUR laws that safeguard personal human freedoms, and equality of human rights before the law; our Constitutional laws are universal and apply equally to all, for both men and women, regardless of faith, ethnic origin, or sexual preference: our laws is what they must obey, and not the other way around.

5. Educate local populations of what this Cult of Allah represents, not only in its violent Jihad aspirations but also in its taqyyia duplicity and (outwardly friendly) da'wa to conquer the world for their Cult deity; this includes local political leaders and educators, as well as local media (something we on this site do already by our contributions here, and emailed letters to others, and personal discussions), so the distinction between 'religion and cult' is better understood by all people, especially people of influence; religion is private belief, but cult is total domination of others. (Discuss the Koran amongst ourselves, but not with other Cult followers)

6. Ignore this Cult's siren songs of 'victimhood', or how our world policies are cause for their discontent; these are lies, and their only discontent is that we had not surrendered our freedoms to their Mohammad's Allah, that we obey man-made Constitutional laws that safeguard our freedoms instead of their Sharia, and that we do not bow to their deity at Mecca as they do. (If they practice violent Jihad or break our laws, arrest them)

7. Help protect women from duplicitous advances by Muslim men to stop 'bedroom jihad'; once these women are under the Muslim male's control (sometimes violent control), where their freedoms and their children's freedoms are lost, they are lost; we cannot avert all affairs of the heart, but education of what such a liaison between a non-Muslim woman with a Muslim man means, that all their progeny will now be Muslims (until the last days under penalty of death for apostasy) should be clearly defined, so a reasonable choice can be made by the woman, not imposed on her by the man. (Her freedoms and children's freedoms could be irreparably lost for generations)


There is no way to assure these seven points totally, but each such quiet resistance to the advances of this Allah Cult, especially in its primitive forms of Jihad conquests and Sharia, each step forwards by this Cult must be pushed back a step, and then another. Education and dialogue (such as we do on Jihad/Dhimmi Watch) is most important to spread the word. The Allah Cult must be given no quarter, and with enough pressure of resistance, it will perish in time, as had all other cults in history. The problem is the Islamic Cult is that it had grown bloated in past 1400 years of Jihad as no others had before them, so it will take a little longer to undo this Cult against our freedoms. This is a BIG Cult. 'Terorism' is not the problem, the Allah Cult is.

Let's see Deobandis write about that.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 10:25 PM

the site of jihade watch will have no future because our economies are booming , and peoples are tired of war in iraq afganistan... and there will be peace i think in future , muslims are focusing on economic development and industry to bring back a great civilisation , we wante to be the example of world as a civilisation , the prophet said : islam will reach every house in world ) , our love mohamed pbh , that teached us love , that gave wisdom , gave us every detail of how to live in this life , gave us every solutions for every problems ,... , there are thousands of books about prophet saying , how to live , how to eat , how to have bath , how to sleep , how deal with peoples , how praye , even when you date your wife this is a good work ( deed) god will reward you you of it : said our loved prophet , .. he teached us by deatails how to make our lives for god ! , narrated our lady aisha :( a day the prophet pbh entred my room , ... and just when he started kissing me ( dating ) , sudenly he asked me to allow him to praye the this night even i wanted to be near him (continuou dating him ) because he was the best thing in my life ! , he then started praying and crying all the night , repeating for all night , the god saying : the creation of universe and earth and night and day are a signs for best intelegent peoples that ... ) , . this is mohamed that teached us how to to praye 8 or 6 hours in the night and cry , that teached us how to love , how to love god ! , how to stand all night talking to your love , for your god , how fast 3 days each week as he did , how to patience for your love , for your god , this is our love mohamed that teached us ! , gave us heart peace , for your knowledg , the prophet prayed his nights standing longs hours until he became ill sick of his legs , for 20 years ! , this is the best human that teached me to praye all night and maked my heart cry while people are sleeping or drinking beer or busy with sex ! , this is mohamed that teached me , i never drink or listen music or smoke cegarette , never have a girl freind until marriage , my heart is full of love , god love ! that a teacher a great prophet teached me of it , therfore the peoples follow every deatails of mohamed life , mohamed style of wearing , mohamed clothes styles , mohamed eating style , mohamed sleeping styles , mohamed talking styles , mohamed walking style , mohamed prefred meal ,.... there are thousands of books about mohamed saying , and even when i wante to wash my hand or my head hair i should first look for mohamed style to do it ! , hi spencer , you can t resume a great religion in just war and fight ! , what u think of it , allah said :( in theire heart a sick , allah made them more sicks ) , i think more you hate mohamed more your heart are sick , ya robert spencer

Posted by: my_love_mohamed [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2008 9:54 AM

my_love_mohamed,

That's too bad you are such a follower of a man. In your entire post you don't mention Allah! It sounds like you worship a man, which would make you an idolator. I think Allah might not like that.

Since you follow Mohamed so closely, I'm surprised you forgot:

-Mohamed killing styles

-Mohamed raping styles

-Mohamed slaver styles

-Mohamed raiding styles

-Mohamed pillaging styles

-Mohamed convenient revelation styles

I mean, do you seriously only ride camels around, and sleep in tents, and kill everyone who disagrees with you? What exactly did Mohamed say about the internet in his prophesies? You probably shouldn't be on here!

Posted by: Mo Foe [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2008 1:44 PM

Great news! Now the perenially inept and PC Indian government can go back to sleep in the face of this Islamic taqiya and let the barbarians continue in their murderous ways.

Posted by: IndianTiger [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2008 1:54 PM

islam shall perish from the Earth.

"allah" is Satan and muhammad was his demon messenger.

This is no wish, muslim. IT IS A PROMISE.

Posted by: CGW [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2008 6:54 PM

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