Now, you see? Iran has to be politically correct, too!

If every Muslim throws a bucket of water on Israel, he will have wasted a bucket of water that could have been used on a vegetable garden.

Posted by: Abscedere at June 1, 2008 9:22 AM

Good will come of this, and evil. (variant on a line in Maitland).

The good is that people in the world will cease to believe, or will now more easily see through, the transparent attempt to disguiise what always was a Jihad against Israel as a "national-liberation" struggle (third-world, Frantz Fanon, Paul Nizan, all that sort of thing) by a premeditated "Palestinian people" (there are Arabs and Kurds in Iraq, Arabs and Berbers in North Africa, there are Arabs all over Arabia, and there is Arabsat, and ArabNews, and Arab This and Arab That, but suddenly, and in one place only, the geographic designation becomes elevated to a fixed, immutable, not-to-be-challenged identiy, one born circa late 1967 -- that of the "Palestinian People," which will finally expire, I predict, round about 2010, and not a moment too soon as an element in Muslim Arab propaganda).

The evil that will come is that Mottaki and his fellow Iranians mean it, and because the people who rule over us never understood that the main military threat, at the moment, in the Camp of Islam comes from Iran (and this should have been understood on Septmber 12, 2001 but was not, because those whose duty it is to instruct and protect us are not, themselves, well-prepared and most of them remain ill-prepared, having no idea of what to do, or how to do it), Iran will likely not be stopped by Amercian bombs and planes -- No Invasion Necessary -- as it should be.

For Iraq has not only squandered men's lives, two-three trillion dollars, and morale, civilian and military. It has also squandered political capital,and now it will be hard for an American Administration to do what it should do, and could much more easily have done, had it never entered Iraq or, having entered Iraq, never decided to come up with a semi-plausible -- to some -- alternative to finding those weapons of mass destruction that never turned up, that alternative being the Light-Unto-the-Muslim-Nations plan, the bringing of "democracy" and "freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads" to ordinary Iraq in the ordinary Middle East.

Posted by: Hugh at June 1, 2008 9:51 AM

Islam - the Religion of Hate.

Hi to Dhimmi Dan Sutherland if he's lurking today. Read the Qur'an yet, Dhimmi Dan?

Posted by: darcy at June 1, 2008 10:43 AM

Hugh-

The unintended consequence of the Iraqi excursion is that hundreds of thousands of American military men and women (and tens of thousands of more "contractors") now have a first-hand experience with Muslims on the ground.

That, alone, may have made this tangled web worth it to our future, because they will not believe any uninformed proclamations about Islam or Muslims in the future, having tasted it first hand.

Hard knocks are costly, but can be priceless.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 1, 2008 10:57 AM

Deja vu. It's 1938 all over again.

Posted by: John C at June 1, 2008 10:58 AM

Its time for the Jews to bomb the Iranian Nuclear Sites. This is as categorically unequivocal as it is to annihilate the Jews.

Posted by: paulc37 at June 1, 2008 11:13 AM

Barbarism 101: Why build a prosperous, successful, technological civilisation when you can trash/drown one instead?

Posted by: ausinfidel at June 1, 2008 11:16 AM

"its nuclear program is entirely peaceful and aimed solely at generating energy for a growing population"--hence the hidden labs and underground
facilties and tunnels built in mountains and all the hush hush dealings with nuclear bad guys like A.Q. Khan and China and North Korea. All those who don't believe in wishing wells should ponder
the agreement the ministers of Iran ratified and signed with the twelfth Imam, delivered by the minister of culture and Islamic guidance to the well in the city of Qom where the twelfth Imam is hiding (as stated on the Iranian broadcast system website in 2006 "the Mahdi will eradicate all corruption and injustice from the face of the earth and establish the global government of peace, justice and equity.").

Posted by: Nick Danger at June 1, 2008 11:24 AM

"As the Imam Khomeini said, if each Muslim throws a bucket of water on Israel, Israel will be erased," Mottaki told a conference in Tehran

Er... no, but if every Muslim throws a bucket of water on Israel, they will solve Israel's water shortage. So, bring it on, all 1.2 billion buckets of water will be greatfully received. Talking about greening the desert...

Posted by: Tziona at June 1, 2008 11:43 AM

The Saudis will of course hire a westerner to throw their bucket of water, and throwing buckets of water is about as productive as they can manage to be.

Posted by: pismopal at June 1, 2008 12:13 PM

"As the Imam Khomeini said, if each Muslim throws a bucket of water on Israel, Israel will be erased," Mottaki told a conference in Tehran

Yes, and if every non-muslim actually read the koran we wouldn't be falling for this religion of peace crap.

Posted by: DaveMate at June 1, 2008 12:18 PM

But Iran, which does not recognise Israel, insists that its nuclear program is entirely peaceful

Iran's nuclear program is entirely peaceful in the same way that Islam is the Religion of Peace. Which is to say, it isn't.

Posted by: special_guest at June 1, 2008 12:52 PM

If each Muslim in the world would throw a bucket of water on Israel it wouldn't erase the nation, but it would end the water crises that is happening.

So Muslims, come and throw the water. Israel needs it very much!

Posted by: Mystical Time Traveler at June 1, 2008 1:41 PM

The scary thing is that the Iranians know Israel could wipe out every major city in Iran ... today if it wanted to. They also must know that Tehran would be first on the plate if they ever did anything to actually threaten its existance. Unfortunatly Iran is ruled by a theocracy that actually believes in this Mahdi buisness. Here is what they believe from thier own mouths.

The term "MAHDI" is a title meaning "The Guided one". Mahdi is a normal man who is going to follow the true Islam. His name will be Muhammad and his father name will be 'Abdullah. He is a descendant from Ali and Fatima (daughter of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) so he will be descendant from al-Hasan or al-Husain. Mahdi will be very just and his capital will be Damascus. Allah told us that Jews will master the world two times (we live now during the first one) and Mahdi will appear between those two periods and will rule through the last one. Mahdi is NOT a prophet but he is the final Rightly Guided Khalifa. Mahdi will lead Muslims to a great victory against the Christian Romans (i.e. All the white Europeans including the Americans). This great war is called al-Malhamah al-Kubrah or Armageddon. It will end up with a great victory to Muslims against Romans after six years. Muslims will take over their capital Rome (this can be any city). In the seventh year, the Anticrist will apear and a greater war will start between Jews and Muslims for 40 days (longer that usual days) and will end when Jesus (pbuh) will come back and Muslims will kill all Jews. All people will convert into Islam. Peace will pervade the whole world. As Muslims, we should remember that the prophecy about Mahdi is one that will come to pass. This prophecy, however, does not absolve the Muslim Ummah from its duty to strive in the cause of Allah, oppose injustice, and seek peace and betterment of human condition. Centuries have passes from the time of the holy Prophet and there is a good possibility that many more will expire before the advent of the Mahdi. Muslims who are negligent in their duty hoping for a savior are committing a grave mistake and are not following the divine decrees ordained in Quran or taught by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

link to a good site on Shi`i jihad

http://www.mahdiwatch.org/

It is these guys who are about to control nuclear nuclear arsenals, and the delivery systems needed to deliver them.

some of the aspects of Shi`i jihad are:

1) The dual aim of preventing non-Muslims from ruling over Muslims, and ejecting non-Muslims from Muslim territory
2) Dhimmis--"protected" Christian and Jewish minorities under Muslim rule--are no longer sacrosanct
3) Any hudnah agreed to with non-Muslims is revocable before its term runs out
4) It's permissible to kill Muslims who assist the non-Muslim ("infidel") invaders
5) Non-traditional warfare--"grenades, flooding," and general scorched earth policies--is allowed (the 19th c. version of WMDs, easily updatable--using ijtihad--to today)
6) Everyone (including women and children) must fight.

note number 5!

Al-Sistani our moderate Muslim friend is edging closer and closer to calling all out Shi`i jihad against America. I'm sure he will coordinate any efforts with the advent of Iran actually testing a nuclear device in the near future.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jQ7to4Zhf0BTz9HqeVbjvvgx9LUQD90QS17O0

Posted by: ethoman at June 1, 2008 1:46 PM

Everyday and in most every way Muslims somewhere on the planet reveal to all the world that Islam breeds hate, self-pity, lunacy, illusions of grandeur and intolerance on a colossal scale. This idiotic statement by the Foreign Minister of Iran is just the latest example of why hundreds of millions of non-Muslims across the world have gotten their fill of Islam and reject all protestations to the effect that Islam is to be respected and never criticized. I've lost all respect for Islam, if I ever had any, and will criticize it whenever the opportunity presents itself. Oh, almost forgot, would love to see the Iranian nuclear infrastructure bombed to hell and back.

Posted by: Wellington at June 1, 2008 1:46 PM

The scary thing is that the Iranians know Israel could wipe out every major city in Iran ... today if it wanted to. They also must know that Tehran would be first on the plate if they ever did anything to actually threaten its existance. Unfortunatly Iran is ruled by a theocracy that actually believes in this Mahdi buisness. Here is what they believe from thier own mouths.

The term "MAHDI" is a title meaning "The Guided one". Mahdi is a normal man who is going to follow the true Islam. His name will be Muhammad and his father name will be 'Abdullah. He is a descendant from Ali and Fatima (daughter of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) so he will be descendant from al-Hasan or al-Husain. Mahdi will be very just and his capital will be Damascus. Allah told us that Jews will master the world two times (we live now during the first one) and Mahdi will appear between those two periods and will rule through the last one. Mahdi is NOT a prophet but he is the final Rightly Guided Khalifa. Mahdi will lead Muslims to a great victory against the Christian Romans (i.e. All the white Europeans including the Americans). This great war is called al-Malhamah al-Kubrah or Armageddon. It will end up with a great victory to Muslims against Romans after six years. Muslims will take over their capital Rome (this can be any city). In the seventh year, the Anticrist will apear and a greater war will start between Jews and Muslims for 40 days (longer that usual days) and will end when Jesus (pbuh) will come back and Muslims will kill all Jews. All people will convert into Islam. Peace will pervade the whole world. As Muslims, we should remember that the prophecy about Mahdi is one that will come to pass. This prophecy, however, does not absolve the Muslim Ummah from its duty to strive in the cause of Allah, oppose injustice, and seek peace and betterment of human condition. Centuries have passes from the time of the holy Prophet and there is a good possibility that many more will expire before the advent of the Mahdi. Muslims who are negligent in their duty hoping for a savior are committing a grave mistake and are not following the divine decrees ordained in Quran or taught by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

link to a good site on Shi`i jihad

http://www.mahdiwatch.org/

It is these guys who are about to control nuclear nuclear arsenals, and the delivery systems needed to deliver them.

some of the aspects of Shi`i jihad are:

1) The dual aim of preventing non-Muslims from ruling over Muslims, and ejecting non-Muslims from Muslim territory
2) Dhimmis--"protected" Christian and Jewish minorities under Muslim rule--are no longer sacrosanct
3) Any hudnah agreed to with non-Muslims is revocable before its term runs out
4) It's permissible to kill Muslims who assist the non-Muslim ("infidel") invaders
5) Non-traditional warfare--"grenades, flooding," and general scorched earth policies--is allowed (the 19th c. version of WMDs, easily updatable--using ijtihad--to today)
6) Everyone (including women and children) must fight.

note number 5!

Al-Sistani our moderate Muslim friend is edging closer and closer to calling all out Shi`i jihad against America. I'm sure he will coordinate any efforts with the advent of Iran actually testing a nuclear device in the near future.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jQ7to4Zhf0BTz9HqeVbjvvgx9LUQD90QS17O0

Posted by: ethoman at June 1, 2008 1:47 PM

sorry for the double post type key is acting funny

Posted by: ethoman at June 1, 2008 1:48 PM

Hugh: The "democracy to Iraq" strategy has done incredible damage to the USA and to the infidel world in general. The Islamization of the USA is continuing at full speed, while Americans are dying to ensure sharia in Iraq. The Bush administration is mocking the memory of those who died during 9/11.

Posted by: Fjordman at June 1, 2008 2:02 PM

Hugh said

there are Arabs all over Arabia, and there is Arabsat, and ArabNews, and Arab This and Arab That

That is pretty good channeling of Theodore Geisel.

Except in this case it wouldn't be the north-going Zax and the south-going Zax, it would be the feeling-safe-asleep-in-their-bed-at-night Zax and the smite-at-their-necks Zax.

Posted by: special_guest at June 1, 2008 2:03 PM

No, it's Iran's nuclear infrastructure that needs to be erased, by those big, grey, floating erasers with jets parked on top of them.
This is Bush's chance to redeem himself via one massive, non-Wilsonian swipe on Iran's blackboard. Don't listen to Condi, George, just do it.

Posted by: jewdog at June 1, 2008 2:29 PM

'Death to Iran!'
Can you imagine Israelis or Americans or any Western people, in the streets, screaming that with full on hatred? No. We leave that to Islam's people, and we are used to it, dangerously used to it, and expect no better form them.
For if we did see Israelis in a mass uprising, get on the streets and scream 'Death to Iran!', they would be condemned by 'the world'. But if Iran actually does what they intend to do, 'Erase' Israel, no one, and I mean No One, will be shocked, though the rotten apologists will feign it best they can, to save some face. This is where we are and it is a sick, twisted place to be.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at June 1, 2008 3:35 PM

For a little perspective re; the last sentence of the article:

But Nazi Germany, which does not recognise Jews or any other people, insists that its nuclear program is entirely peaceful and aimed solely at generating energy for a growing population.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at June 1, 2008 3:54 PM

"As the Imam Khomeini said, if each Muslim throws a bucket of water on Israel, Israel will be erased," Mottaki told a conference in Tehran"

I can hear Iranian leaders and supporting saying, you took Khomeini out of context and will quote what they consider a proper expression in Arabic for throwing a bucket of water on a nation to eliminate the Jews. It's obvious, they want to destroy Israel as a nation and promote their brand of Islam to the world. So, going nuclear doesn't mean more electricity per say, although it would add to their grit, but it's real objective is to add more military might to spread their influence and destroy anyone in their path including Israel.

Posted by: twoedgesword at June 1, 2008 4:08 PM

[The] Islam [Bomb] means peace.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at June 1, 2008 4:54 PM

It's hard to see any good coming from this. Every statement from the mouths of Iranian leaders only tells other leaders to negotiate more. They go after the US for calling Iran what it is: evil. They berate GWB: See? You made them do this stuff with your "axis of evil". You threatened their existence with those three words and now you are to blame for everything that goes on in the world.

Last time I looked, the Iranians weren't Arab but they are just as crazy and imperious and filled with the belief that the world is theirs to rule as any Wahhabist. We can draw all the distinctions we want between Shia and Sunni but both have the same foundation: the Koran.

The Muslims hear these statements from both sides (Sunni and Shia) and say: see, they're right. It's just a matter of time before we get what is rightfully ours: ALL OF CREATION! All we have to do is stick with it and everything Allah told us will come true.

The infidels hear these statements and shake their heads and tell themselves these guys don't really mean it, that it's just posturing. Let them have their fun and then we'll get on with sharing the earth.
9/11 didn't convince them. Madrid didn't convince them. London didn't convince them. Nothing will convince them. Even if they opened the Koran and read it they would give up after a brief time, concluding that it's nothing but hokum and that no one can REALLY believe this stuff.
The Bible tells stories. Whether you believe them or not, at least you can follow along.
The Koran is a sentence here, a sentence there. OF COURSE we take the verses out of context. That's because there is no context to begin with. It's random sentences strewn together.

The people of Europe, by and large, see the US as the primary agent of evil. Even those that see Islam as a danger see the US as a greater danger. They will blame America for whatever Iran does. (We drove them to it, or some such nonsense.) Nothing that comes from the mouth of Ahmadinejad will convince them otherwise. Not even the destruction of Israel will change their minds. They are vested in the belief that Islam doesn't need to be fought, that it isn't a threat to their existence. They'll go to their graves believing the same.

Even if you believe Iraq was a mistake from the start, ask Europeans what will make them fight the Islamic menace. They made a mockery of the UN sanctions on Iraq (the UN - the altar of internationalism at which Europe worships).
We are being threatened with nuclear weapons but European countries are prepared to build nuclear reactors in Middle Eastern countries. Nothing can interfere with business.

Posted by: PMK at June 1, 2008 5:04 PM

“Its time for the Jews to bomb the Iranian Nuclear Sites. This is as categorically unequivocal as it is to annihilate the Jews.”
Posted by: paulc37 “

And THIS would be the bringing of the great blinding white
“Light-Unto-the-Muslim-Nations plan”

DEUS VULT!

Posted by: Davegreybeard at June 1, 2008 5:16 PM

I would like to begin, if possible, a philosophical discussion of sorts regarding the following question. Why exactly do so many people not see what is evident when it comes to the belligerent, intolerant nature of Islam itself? I am dismayed beyond words when I hear people repeat the mantra that "Islam is a religion of peace". When I hear this, it is almost as if I am waiting for Ashton Kutcher (or some other celebri-clown) to come running towards me with a camera crew yelling "You've been punk'd!" I just absolutely do not get it. How can people - so many millions of people - be so blind to the evident truth? Pick your favorite metaphor: the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room, the emperor with no clothes, etc. That Islam is a horribly violent, regressive, and intolerant ideology is evident from its entire history and its daily headlines. How is it that so many are so blind to this evident truth? Somebody answer me that please. Of course, I do have several possible explanations of this blindness, but for now I will keep these to myself and see what others have to say on the subject.

Posted by: Dhim Sum at June 1, 2008 5:18 PM

Dhim Sum:

Only one I can come up with is disbelief.

People refuse to believe that anyone really thinks like this in the 21st century. They figure it's just posturing for the crowd and then everyone goes out and has tea (they don't have beer, do they?) together.

They hear the "peace" salutation, blissfully ignorant of the fact that Muslims only wish peace on one another. So it IS a religion of peace - for all who believe.

Posted by: PMK at June 1, 2008 5:27 PM

“How can people - so many millions of people - be so blind to the evident truth?”
Posted by: Dhim Sum

Many reasons, but foremost is MULTICULTURALISM.

This is a wide spread religion in Western societies, based on the belief that all cultures, religions, etc. are equal and none must be criticized or held out as better than the other. Except Christianity, which may (and of course should be) insulted, denigrated, mocked and banished from all public view. These beliefs are to make “The Other” feel welcome and to make the Multicultural Believers feel good about themselves. It is also so Multicultuarlists can make the claim that they are “Good People” and therefore superior to others – particularly others that point out flaws in another culture.

As previously stated Multiculturalism is based on BELIEF not fact or reason and absolutely not on any objective observation. Objective observation and the critical thinking that may follow are a direct threat to Multiculturalism and will always be reflexively and forcefully opposed by the Multicultural believer. They will deny, obfuscate and finally shut down all communication that threatens their belief system.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at June 1, 2008 5:47 PM

Davegreybeard

That's a good explanation of multiculturalism...thanks...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 1, 2008 6:58 PM

The Israelies should take a tour of the Temple Mount and take a stroll inside the mosque in particular.

Guess what you will find besides butt-heads wagging skywards?

This is one armory that ought to be investigated!

Posted by: witness at June 1, 2008 7:32 PM

Dhim sum

Yes a truely vexing question that you have raised. The more I think of this it reminds me of those sociology mathmatic equations. Like if you make a better net that is good for you. The better the net the better for you, but if every fisherman gets a net that is too efficient, well then you eat all the fish up and it doesn't matter how great your net is no more fish. Here is the point. When westerners read the Quran all this stuff seems so esoteric, and we tend not to take religion very seriously anymore. So, what do we do with the information? We tend think about what we know. The Muslim at work or your old nextdoor neighbor. Certainly ,for the most part if you are in America, these people are friendly hard working people right? So, this confirms your view that you shouldn't take religious texts too seriously, and people are just people. Back to the net. What people don't get is the larger sociological effect. I would agree that I have met many fine Muslims ... funny, inteligent, interesting peole, so what I have seen is that one Muslim is usually a good thing, however I am smart enough to know that many Muslims will be a bad thing for any society, because eventually the society they will create will be an Islamic one, which is a bad thing for all of the obvious reasons. Even after all of that what I still do not get is how people can explain away stuff like the Teddy Bear riots, and such. Seems to me you have to totally ignore all of your sensory input ...willfull suspension of reason... to believe all of the Islam is peace crapola. Anyways the easiest way to think of it is like this. Muslims are nets everyone else is a fish the more nets you have, and the better the nets get ... the less fish you have.

Posted by: ethoman at June 1, 2008 7:43 PM

Dhim Sum: I share your consternation as to why Islam gets almost a complete pass by way too many folks. Davegreybeard and PMK offered two very plausible reasons; respectively, multiculturalism and disbelief that any group of people could be so whacked as a multitude of Muslims obviously are. I would proffer two more reasons. First, since Islam is a major religion, this gives it great cover. People are loathe to think ill of a major faith. Of course, where Islam is concerned most everyone should think ill of it, but they don't precisely because it is a religion.

Second, since Islam incorporated a lot of Zoroastrian, Judaic and Christian features, Mohammed being one of the great plagiarists of all time, Islam is only, say, 60% rotten, whereas other totalitarian systems like Marxism and fascism are over 90% putrid. I submit to you that an ideology which is somethiing like 60% awful is actually more menacing and much harder to recognize as villainous than an ideology which is almost entirely rotten (it helps to explain in part why Marxism and fascism had less than a century of appeal but Islam has 1400 years behind it). Ordinary folks will, understandably, see more that they like in the "other" ideology, thus allowing themselves to be fooled more easily. Remember, the Judeo-Christian conception of Satan is that he often tells the truth and is more powerful precisely because of this. Ditto for Islam.

Thus, the combination of being a religion with possession of less overall malice than other malicious systems of thought, makes Islam more difficult to recognize as evil, though it is. It's why I call Islam the perfect storm of totalitarian ideologies. But, don't despair, truth and goodness will win out in the end, though much tragedy because of Islam is still in store for mankind before this will occur, but I remain confident that some day Mohammedanism will be placed on the trash heap of history, where it richly belongs. My best to you and yours.

Posted by: Wellington at June 1, 2008 7:45 PM

Dhim Sum,

Here's another reason why Islam "gets a pass."

Lots of folks prefer being told what to believe by people in positions of authority. This copout strategy "absolves" them from doing the hard work of actually STUDYING the issue so as to make their own independent, and possibly contrarian judgments. Of course, it may be that they are just plain stupid and easily led, but this "condition" is not exclusively the domain of Islam.

Posted by: Lex at June 1, 2008 9:40 PM

Dhim Sum,

Appendix: The willingness of human beings to believe ANYONE who claims to be on speaking terms with "The Divine" cannot be discounted, as it touches on our shared FEAR OF DEATH

To kill and be killed in the cause of Allah is a first class ticket to Paradise, no matter what sins have been committed? Hell yes! Give me a suicide vest!!!

Posted by: Lex at June 1, 2008 10:09 PM

"Why exactly do so many people not see what is evident when it comes to the belligerent, intolerant nature of Islam itself?"

A) they no longer go to church, or they go to a church with wacko ministers such as the Reverend J.WRight

B) they are just plain stupid

C) they were not displined at home or in school

D) they were not required to serve in the military.

E) they have grown up with huge egos and thrive with the anti establishment crowd that strives to defy anything authorative.

F) they use drugs made avaliliable by the opium warlords..the very same drug warlords that the world refuses to destroy.

G) They have total disrespect for law and order, total disrespect for their country, total disrespect for their neighbor, total disrespect for each other.

H) They refuse to fight for freedom, they would rather be a follower than a leader which makes them ideal dhimmis

I) They use hyphenated affiliations..instead of being Americans, they are Mexican-Americans, Afro-Americans, etc....the truth is ...they do not want to be Americans. They do not want to make sacrifices to ensure that future generations will have an America. How are you going to Identify Islamic terrorism when you cannot even identify what you really are?.

Posted by: pulsar182 at June 1, 2008 10:12 PM

After thinking about it for an inordinate amount of time these past few years, I think a big part of this widespread denail about the Islamic threat is that most of us simply don't give a damn about the truth, in general. This is not a cynic speaking, this is someone who noticed for far too long that the honest individual, not only honest sometimes, but honest at all times, is a rare individual. It begins with that, this widespread habit of people lying to themselves and others, about any number of things, and it leads us to where we currently are, lying about the biggest threat we face today. And what's politics, but the liars shelter, the place where the opposite of the best and brightest make their mark in the world, as way of explanation for Washington P.C. [with apologies to Geert Wilders, a freak 'politician' if there ever was one.].
I can go on, but the habitual indifference to truth by most of us has brought all
of us to this state where only the honest are outraged.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at June 1, 2008 10:14 PM

The last President to have any guts was Ronald Regan. He called the Soviet Union an evil empire, because it was an evil empire.

Today we have to watch every word we say so as not to give offense to the evil empire of Islam.

We are not doing ourselves or Muslims any favors by pretending that Islam is a respectable belief system, just like any other belief system. The evidence of Islam's uniquely evil beliefs is everywhere, for any thinking person to see if they would just take their ideological blinders off.

Muslims need to be told the truth, otherwise they'll never have to take stock of the dysfunctional world they live in. So long as Western leaders keep telling them they're okay, and they're just another great world religion, they'll believe it, and nothing will change.

Posted by: rational at June 1, 2008 11:26 PM

What would be the results of Muslim imigration in the USA? I good way to find out would be to look at other societies with different races cultures and religions trying to live together. (Multicuturalism)

Here is a rant about Multiculturalism from fredoneverything.net

If my history's right, all kinds of folk used to come to America from every whichaplace. (I'm not sure that's a word even in West Virginia.) They'd go off to a ghetto and be miserable. You'd have Eye-talians and Irish and Jews and Scowegians, people from every place there was and probably from some there wasn't. Weren't.

Before long they'd start marrying right and left, apparently without looking. Pretty soon you had people named Heidi Torricelli O'Feinstein. They weren't sure what they were any more, so they decided to be Americans and not worry about it. It made good sense, because America was where they were. This gamboling about in the gene pool produced accidental monoculturalism, and it worked pretty well.

Hostilities died out because they were too complicated to remember. I mean, if the Germans were supposed to hate the Poles, and you were half German and your grandmother was a quarter Polish, then you had to hate an eighth of your grandmother--and no man could tell which eighth. The accounting alone made it impractical. People began to get along because it was the easy way out.

It works still. I'm mostly English, and months have gone by since I've shot at an Irishman.

But now, if I understand aright, we're going to be multicultural, and stay split up in different tribes and act like it's a good idea. (Separate but equal. Didn't we do that before?) We're going to have white, black, Hispanic, and Asian nations all in the same country. And we're all going to live together in peace and love and mutual respect, and have drumming circles and smoke ditchweed together.

Now, granted I'm simpleminded. I don't understand higher psychology. My school learning is pretty weak, like moonshine that didn't get run through the radiator enough. Still, before we get too multicultural, I figure we ought to see how it works for other folk.

Start with Canada, since it's stuck to us and can't get away. Canada has a pretty good dose of Frenchmen in Quebec, and they've been nothing but trouble. The country's always about to break apart because nobody can stand the French, and the French hate everybody. They'll never get used to each other.

Now, you might think, OK, that's just the Canadians. Maybe their brains froze or something. Maybe multiculturalism works better for other people.

Well, how about Mexico, which is multicultural in Indians? Last I heard, Mexicans and Indians were having a shooting war in Chiapas. So far, they haven't done much in the line of drumming circles. Maybe some scalpings, though.

Of course there's Yugoslavia, the world's motingator case of multiculturalism. You can't get much more multicultural. They've got cultures nobody can spell, all cutting each other's throats. So far they've produced nothing but shrapnel.

I begin to suspect that multiculturalism works fine, soon as one side kills the other off.

And in Indonesia the Indonesians butcher the East Timorese, and in Rwanda the Tutus chop up the Hutsis (or Tootsies, or somebody), and in the Sudan the Moslem northerners kill the southern animists, and Iraq gasses its Kurds.

In Malaysia the Malays can't stand the Chinese. In Ireland the Protestants and Catholics think they have to blow each other up every little while, like leaky air mattresses. The Vietnamese kick around the Montagnards, the Cambodians slaughter their Vietnamese, the Japanese hate their Koreans, and in South Africa the whites and blacks claw at each other like cats in a bag. In Israel the Arabs and Jews are no end multicultural, between explosions. The Christians and Moslems go at it in Lebanon, and the Guatemalans torture their Indians, the Tamils and Sinhalese in Ceylon shoot each other in droves, and. . . .

Yep, this multiculturalism business works pretty well. No one can deny it. Pretty soon there won't be anybody left.

While we're at it, how has multiculturalism done in the U. S. of A.? So far, it's the worst problem we've got, unless Hillary gets elected. We have a white European country with an utterly incompatible, inassimilable black African culture spread through it. We spend most of our national energy trying to straighten that one out. We've got crime, welfare, racial hatred, riots, burned cities, weird political stuff like affirmative action, constant lawsuits, fear, loathing, and ill will.

I don't guess we better try any more multiculturalism just yet. We don't have enough guns.

But that's just me. I hear now we're gonna ghettoize the Hispanics instead of assimilating them, so we can have more riots and cities going up in flames, and about a dozen generations of hostility, and car bombs if we get really multicultural. Hooboy. I've never heard of a better idea.

Except any other idea at all.

Fact is, people of different flavors just don't get along very well. Maybe we ought to. Maybe we all ought to love each other. Maybe we ought to be reasonable, though that's stretching it. But we aren't going to. We never have. So we better get busy and try to be one kind of people. That would be the smart thing to do. Still, it's worth a try.

Why do we deliberately adopt a guaranteed recipe for divisiveness? You'd think a track record of unrelieved multicultural disaster would be some slight contraindication to more of it. If you think that, you obviously don't have any experience of American politics. Still, you might ask, who is it that wants to inflict a multicultural morass on innocent Americans?

First, Democratic politicians trying to lock in voting blocs.

Second, the whole lemming pack of post-hippie professors, intellectuals, feminists, self-serving racial dissensionists, and aggressive vegetarians who have the touchiest of feely ideas and thirty seconds of experience in the real world. Thirty seconds aggregate, I mean. Why are they doing it?

Hard to say. They give me the impression of never having gotten over adolescence. They've confused America with their parents, and they're mad at it, and they're throwing a fit.

Me, I'm going back to Wheeling, where people are monocultural and talk the same and have the same DNA, and shoot pool in low dives. I mean, a bar fight at least makes some sense.

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at June 2, 2008 12:58 AM

I erroneously posted my response to this thread in the "Islamic Court opens near Mogadishu" column - duh.

Posted by: Armoured Passionfruit at June 2, 2008 5:48 AM

The level of indoctrination amongst the college aged crowd in the US is growing by leaps and bounds as well. Numerous Youtube videos illustrate a stylized anti totalitarian approach featuring "foot soldiers" many of whom put forward a confrontational approach ,yelling,cursing as if their very existence is at stake and parroting the same disparaging jabs("rednecks","racists","xenophobes", "your guilty of the same atrocities the Nazis perpetrated against you." etc,etc)from the same play book.

I had to crack up laughing the other day when one poster simply alluded to the Roman origins of the term: "Palestine" under Hadrian,only to be accused of living in a "revisionist gutter" and to be a "Pollard sympathizer". It really is a mental health issue as many of this collective mentality seem to be speaking to the mirror of their own "in the box" thinking regardless of whomever states a thought or opinion. Emphasis on Whomever.

Posted by: kafir world at June 2, 2008 1:11 PM

Opps,

That should read "stylized totalitarian approach"
No "anti" about it whatsoever.

Posted by: kafir world at June 2, 2008 1:18 PM

havekoranwilltravel

BRILLIANT.

Will save your post.

Posted by: DP111 at June 2, 2008 5:49 PM

havekoranwilltravel,

Great post. In answer to the following question:

Why do we deliberately adopt a guaranteed recipe for divisiveness? You'd think a track record of unrelieved multicultural disaster would be some slight contraindication to more of it.

The answer is: insanity. We do the same thing over and over, expecting different results.
Some will say the Wright brothers kept trying or Henry Ford kept trying, and so we should keep trying. Someone somewhere has the magic elixir that will make the world right. INSANITY.

Posted by: PMK at June 2, 2008 6:16 PM

this crap with the eu not believing that we are at war and helping the enemy (islamic country's like iran)reminds me of one of the caritors in john ringos watch on the rine who when earth was to be attacked by aliens could not belive that the universe could be that crueland they will probibly be saying the same thing when some muslim is rapeing them and making them booty

Posted by: crusader at June 2, 2008 8:53 PM

I guess this talk of throwing buckets of water is intended to brag about the abundance of Muzzies...The abundance of buckets is not discussed....However, most of the pictures of Muslim life and habitat that I have witnessed indicate a great reluctance to get anywhere near that much water!!!

Posted by: b4lucy at June 2, 2008 9:18 PM

Bosch, I think I agree with your analysis the most. It comes down fundamentally to an indifference to the truth. But thanks to everyone who replied, I appreciate it. Some very thoughtful comments indeed.

Posted by: Dhim Sum at June 3, 2008 11:07 PM