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"A closer look at Islam," by Joe Sarnicola in The Citizen, June 21:
About 20 people gave up a warm and sunny Saturday afternoon to learn more about Islam at the Unitarian Universalist Church. The church's Social Responsibilities Committee sponsored the event, which consisted of the playing of a film called “The Reformation of Islam” by Irshad Manji followed by a question and answer session with Imam Abdur-Rahim Muhammad of Auburn.
Here’s to the day that Muslims in the Islamic world—say, Saudi Arabia—give up a Saturday afternoon to host a seminar about Christianity in their local mosques.
Irshad Manji is a journalist and the author of “The Trouble with Islam Today: A Musilm's Call for Reform in Her Faith.” She is also the director of the Moral Courage Project at New York University. The goal of the project is to develop leaders who will challenge political correctness, intellectual conformity and self-censorship. […]
Noble endeavors, to be sure….
The colorful and controversial woman gave answers such as “I believe the Quran absolutely teaches the dignity of women,” […]
What kind of female dignity—the kind understood by the West, i.e., full equality with men, or a specific kind of dignity, one hemmed in by sharia law as well as the hejab, and which makes women inferior to men in so many ways? One wonders if the typical Western woman would find polygamy, sanctioned beatings by the husband (stoning for extreme cases of infidelity), and being accounted half as valuable as men in court and inheritance cases a “dignifying” experience. But wait: Muhammad did ban the beduin practice of burying unwanted female babies alive, thereby dignifying womankind. Anything else?
Locally, Imam Muhammad is the head of the Community-Wide Dialogues in Auburn and is the Muslim chaplain at three area correctional facilities.“I was invited to this forum,” he said. “We'd like to see as many new people enter into dialogues as possible, so we can better understand each other. We're trying to bring together Muslims, Christians and people with no professed faith. Neighbors can be friends. Not necessarily agreeing with each other, but retaining our identities.”
As part of his own presentation, Imam had several books on an information table for attendees to examine. One was “War, Peace and Non-violence, an Islamic Perspective” by Imam Muhammad Shirazi and the Quran according to Tajweed Rules. Muhammad explained that Tajweed Rules referred to the pronunciation of the text of the Quran, which when read aloud is more like a chant than a simple oral reading.
Fascinating, to be sure, but how the Koran is supposed to be chanted is hardly germane to the Imam’s professed task at hand: “trying to bring together Muslims, Christians and people with no professed faith” to become “friends.” Perhaps he would do better to address those many verses and hadiths that incite hostility against Christians and those “people with no professed faith”—i.e., idolaters, al-mushrikin, lowest as they are on the infidel totem pole.
“Islam is often misunderstood,” Muhammad said.
Why, I wonder? Why are we not constantly exhorted, day after day, that Christianity, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Scientology are “misunderstood”? Why only Islam?
“The most outstanding characteristic of Islam is the same as that of Christianity, charity."
Yes, when I read the New Testament, charity—as well as grace, hope, love, mercy, and forgiveness—abound; when I read Islam’s sacred texts, I do indeed see charity—but I see a whole lot of other things that are, well, the antithesis of charity (you know, jihad, dhimmitude, draconian sharia punishments, enmity for all things non-Muslim, female inferiority, etc.). So yes, there is charity is Islam, but it is hardly the “most outstanding characteristic,” and is in no way near as prominent as in Christianity.
Muslims are very caring and compassionate people. Of course, there are exceptions.
Such as those Muslims who try to follow Islam’s laws literally; the ones who would have non-Muslims paying the jizya while feeling themselves “utterly subdued” in accordance with Koran 9:29.
The people of Islam have made many mistakes, and some of those mistakes have been exploited by some people outside of Islam. […]
Note, after actually admitting to mistakes being made by—gasp!—Muslims, Imam Muhammad, immediately and in the selfsame sentence, also blames those outside of Islam, and so subtly exonerates the former. So much for a Muslim sense of responsibility.
When asked about some of Manji's claims about women within the Islamic community Muhammad said, “The Quran says, 'Reverence God and reverence the womb that bore you.' A mother is the first teacher. The woman's place in Islam is very revered.”
Tell that to Islam’s polygamist prophet who, after getting a glimpse of hell in a “vision,” informed his companions in an authentic hadith that the vast majority of the denizens of hell will be—drum roll please—women!
Muhammad said that in order for the world's people to come together, individuals have to reach out to other individuals.“World events are forcing us to look beyond our comfort barriers,” he said. […]
Read: “Internationally speaking, we are currently not in a position to antagonize, let alone subjugate, our traditional enemies, the infidels; so let’s, for the time being, break our ‘doctrinal barriers’ and play the role of friend.”
Posted by Raymond at June 24, 2008 8:49 AM
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'Reaching out' in Islam means da'wa every time they address the kuffar. You see it especially in public schools.
I hope they teach the boys to avoid Muslim girls for their own health. Don't let the violence against women blind you to the violence against men.
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at June 24, 2008 9:10 AM
Thank you, Raymond. I think I understand Islam so much better now. I feel I'm so much better as a person than before. Keep it up with these Infidel Self-Improvement projects!
Posted by: John C at June 24, 2008 9:14 AM
Only a "meany" would show disdane for a "Peaceful Religion".
Posted by: Spot on at June 24, 2008 9:21 AM
The artical below is a bit long but well worth the effort. It is the first hand experience of a Lebenese christian. It should be read by every non-muslim especially those in leadership positions. The first part is biographical info. The actual speach is listed at the bottom of the article.
http://www.intelligencesummit.org:80/speakers/BrigitteGabriel.php
Posted by: Richard Garnache at June 24, 2008 9:23 AM
How does this imam square his words to the Christian audience with what is in the Koran?
He said:
We're trying to bring together Muslims, Christians and people with no professed faith. Neighbors can be friends.
The Koran said (Thank you, Raymond - this verse was in your post yesterday. Welcome to JW.):
“Let believers not take for friends and allies infidels rather than believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah – unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions” (3:28).
Posted by: PMK at June 24, 2008 9:30 AM
I'm good at defiance! Was born that way! I will die that way!
islam has no room in my life EVER!
Posted by: dcat at June 24, 2008 9:40 AM
(Imam speaking) "The people of Islam have made many mistakes, and some of those mistakes have been exploited by some people outside of Islam..."
"mistakes", I wonder what is Sharia says on how to treat the Muslims who make "mistakes" and by doing so "give the Islam a bad name"? After all, the sharia addresses everything from worship to where to face when pooping (and everything in between). Surely this "grand system" put have something to say about the Muslims who make such "mistake"
Posted by: Nader at June 24, 2008 9:41 AM
"The people of Islam have made many mistakes..."
Yes, indeed. Bin Laden and his boys let the cat out of the bag, much to the chagrin of the Saudi's, who's stealth jihad, was in full vigor, yet completely unnoticed.
Posted by: awake at June 24, 2008 9:44 AM
Why, I wonder? Why are we not constantly exhorted, day after day, that Christianity, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Scientology are “misunderstood”? Why only Islam?
Anytime we are continually told that a particular thing is OK; any time a concerted and continual effort is made by a group to try to convince society that they are ok; I get REALLY suspicious of that group, and I begin to look very carefully at them.
There is a continual and concerted effort on the part of muslim leaders to make everyone think that Islam is ok. What are they trying to hide?
They are evidently consciously trying to hide the very sordid and brutal history of Islam, still sordid and brutal even today.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at June 24, 2008 9:46 AM
This thread reminds me of a comment posted a couple of days ago . . .
It should be ...interesting. Wish me luck. - dumbledoresarmy
Looking forward to your update. LUCK!
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at June 24, 2008 9:51 AM
Yeah, and since 9/11, "the people of Islam have made...[only 11,317-and-counting Death-Dealing] mistakes."
Posted by: wholebrainer at June 24, 2008 9:52 AM
I can't stand Irshad Manji. She still worships her rock idol allah, which shows she doesn't get it.
Read: “Internationally speaking, we are currently not in a position to antagonize, let alone subjugate, our traditional enemies, the infidels; so let’s, for the time being, break our ‘doctrinal barriers’ and play the role of friend.” --Raymond
Agreed. Al-Taqiyya City.
And, when they are "in a position," you will see the Covert Sympathizers ("moderate Muslims") joining right in the Jihad.
Posted by: darcy at June 24, 2008 10:00 AM
the sharia addresses everything from worship to where to face when pooping (and everything in between).
posted by nader
A bit OT, but all these little Islamic rules of behavior intrigue me: When pooping is it forbidden to face Mecca, or to face directly away? (and thus aiming the poop at Mecca). And how about farting? Is it forbidden to fart in the direction of Mecca? And what does one do if actually in Mecca? Maybe one has to face away from the Kaaba?
at June 24, 2008 10:10 AM
What's to misunderstand? Every time we point out the dysfunctional elements within Islamic teachings, such as the vile practices against women and infidels, all the hatreds and intolerance, and violence, death for apostasy, Jjihad, etc.... we are told that we 'misunderstand'. But we do understand, and we understand it very well, and better with each pass at this 'religion of peace' which is anything but. What we now understand is that this is not a religion but a cult, more suitable for Neanderthals than for modern humanity. Oh yes, we do understand. And we also know what happened to the Neanderthals. At least Islam is not cannibalistic, a plus.
at June 24, 2008 10:29 AM
I can't stand Irshad Manji. She still worships her rock idol allah, which shows she doesn't get it.
darcy,
Agreed. All who speak of "reforming" Islam leave me with feelings of trepidation. The verses that speak of fighting others or rejecting others far outnumber the verses of "peace". Even
"peace" is something one Muslim gives another. It doesn't apply to anyone outside the fold.
Manji is at NYU. Heaven only knows what the Islamic Studies or religion professors have done to her. Her emphasis is on the position of women in Islam. Given that women have become suicide bombers, upgrading the status of women in Islam doesn't mean all that much.
(Gymgal, it appears that the login only lasts for an hour. I just had to login again and my first post was at 9:30 a.m.)
Posted by: PMK at June 24, 2008 10:32 AM
More and more of this type of thought is coming from a larger variety of sources. Encouraging.
Please check out Sam Harris' take on this in 'The End of Faith' under the chapter heading 'The Trouble With Islam'.
Good times.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 24, 2008 10:49 AM
Here’s to the day that Muslims in the Islamic world—say, Saudi Arabia—give up a Saturday afternoon to host a seminar about Christianity in their local mosques.Not too easy to do that since such a seminar that dissipates the truth about Christianity will inevitably contradict what the Quran says about Christianity. Unlike Qur'an, there is nothing in the Bible about Islam, so Christians can learn and discuss the truth about Islam without being blasphemous.
That's the problem with a religion that has such major references to personalities and deities in another religion, as is the case with Islam. Aside from the differences between Jews and Christians in the way they interpret the scriptures that they share, no other 2 religions have the same deities and a resultant conflict of beliefs (aside from a minor fact about Hinduism recognizing Buddha as the ninth incarnation of Vishnu)
But wait: Muhammad did ban the beduin practice of burying unwanted female babies alive, thereby dignifying womankind.Raymond, aside from Islamic texts (which would be as truthful about the morals of pre-Islamic Arabs as they are about Judaism), is there anything that corroborates the above blood libel against those people who have no successors to tell their story? [Read: Bedouins who later converted to Islam are not their successors]
About the rest of the presentation, Ali Sina and Robert once took apart 2 Mohammedans who made similar arguments about Islam being a female friendly religion.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 24, 2008 11:10 AM
Irshad Manji no doubt has her uses, and has her points, and those financially supporting the little fiefdom she has cleverly created for herself at N.Y.U. will, no doubt, not wish to hear any doubts expressed. But she keeps presenting a view of Islam that is simply a false one. It'a a hopeful view, it's a desirable view, it's a view that attributes to Islam itself the willingness of some -- not very many at all, but some - Muslims to recognize that something is deeply wrong with Islam but, at the same time, obscurely aware that that something cannot be changed, because of the immutable nature -- or the inability of Muslims at this point to accept any interpretative modification of -- the texts of Islam, they keep up, for themselves and for others, a steady patter about how Islam itself is just fine.
Thus one is forced to endure, from the flamboyant, henna-haired, every-inch-a-self-promoter Irshad Manji (why, she's now got her lifetime career, doesn't she?), such statements as the absurd one she makes above about Islam and women.
There are those who think that, since her heart is in the right place, we should lay off the deficiencies of her mind. I am not among them. I think what she says, so confusedly and at times incoherently, merely delays the day of recognition, that civilizational anagnoriss that will then lead to the adoption of stern measures -- such as, at the very least, a total ban on Muslim immigration to the lands of Western Europe and North America, and efforts made to diminish the size and effect of the Muslim presence already here, busily attempting to legitimize and make a permanent and accepted part of the landscape those whose beliefs, whose adherence to the Total Belief-System of Islam, necessarily requires that they accept as a duty the need to tear down all barriers to the spread, and dominance, of Islam. And since, among those barriers, the chief are the legal and political instiutitons of this country, Muslims who do indeed believe in Islam are natural and permanent enemies of, for example, the individual rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights, even if, for their own current purposes, they are perfectly willing to exploit those rights to the hilt.
Irshad Manji is not Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Wafa Sultan or Ibn Warraq. She is not Ali Sina. She is not Irfan Khawaja or Azam Kamguian. She's okay, but she's, nowadays, simply not okay enough. She may not be a deceiver in holding out these Brave Young Muslim Reformer hopes. She herself, who is the child of Muslims booted out of Uganda by Idi Amin, simply not really understand what Muslims who grow up in a Muslim world endure, and how everything, every allusion to the Qur'an, every anecdote in the life of Muhammad, every seemingly trivial inshallah (which does reinforce inshallah-fatalism), every deeep discouragement of free and skeptical inquiry, every limit on the means of artistic expression, every mistreatment of noon-Muslims about which Manji says so little, and ever mistreatment of women that she, Irshad Manji, pretends has no connection with women, or if she does not pretend, then she continues to allow herself to believe what is, by those who were raised, as Irshad Manji never was, in societies suffused with Islam -- she really should spend a day with Wafa Sultan, or with the much keener Ayaan Hirsi Ali (who, by the way, is not entirely unsympathetic to what Irshad Manji is doing or thinks she is doing) -- in order to be disabused of all of her misconceptions, misconceptions which she might be left with except that she, far more of a careerist than any of the apostates of Islam, would no longer be left with quite the same role or appeal, and of course she wants to hold on, and raise even more money for, her fiefdom.
Posted by: Hugh at June 24, 2008 11:11 AM
From above: We're trying to bring together Muslims, Christians and people with no professed faith. Neighbors can be friends. Not necessarily agreeing with each other, but retaining our identities.”
Clearly fishing for recruits and dhimmi's.
Chanting the Quran in Arabic...
Various religious, spiritual, occult, and magickal types have long recognized the value of chanting to alter conscience. Om, the Hail Mary's, the Hindu japa with a mala (beads), and other chanting methods, mantra's, are designed to do one thing...shut off your internal dialog so that you can hear and see the light. The idea is that God is in the space between your thoughts, so if you shut off your thoughts and don't fall asleep, what happens? These are actually concentration exercises.
But chanting the Quran, is different. Here the chanter is absorbed in the very 'living', 'for all time' words of Allah.
The chanter, chanting in Allahs favorite language, Arabic, ideally becomes one with the chant.
Allah then speaks directly to the chanter in real time. This is a magickal invocation. The magician, takes into himself, invokes, the qualities of the the force invoked. This is all fine and dandy when
the invoking has to do with love and peace, but the Quran, Allah's words in real time, is not about love and peace. So what kind of forces are chanters of the Quran invoking? What happens to a mind that continually dips in the pool of 9:5, or 9:29, or 5:33 (one of my favorites), or many other similar verses?
Well, just take a quick look around at muslims, their jihadist's and spokespeople.
What do they say? How do they act?
Chanting the Quran in Arabic is not a blessing, and has no positive spiritual value...In fact it is harmful, and the practice should be discouraged...
at June 24, 2008 11:35 AM
The colorful and controversial woman gave answers such as “I believe the Quran absolutely teaches the dignity of women
Proof, if proof were needed, that Irshad is a liability, not an asset. The kind of person who will be contented with just reading her book and taking any kind of comfort from it is going to be stuck in the fog of unreason.
Of course, I might be wrong. Maybe there are those who read Irshad's pretty book, and then graduate to Ayaan Hirsi Ali - now there's a woman who says something worth hearing. Then maybe a little Ibn Warraq?
Hey, a man can dream, can't he?
Posted by: Fanusi Khiyal at June 24, 2008 11:45 AM
Infidels need to bring Latex Gloves to these kind of meetings so as to not soil their hands.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at June 24, 2008 12:21 PM
Oddly enough Irshad's comments about Islam being women friendly is echoed by those American women I know who ardent followers of Sufism.
They think having the Shariah imposed on women here in the west would be good for them.
Nor does it surprise me UU's would host Irshad, heaven forbid that UU's actually bothered to read what the Islamic texts really say. Or see how people are treated in Islamic lands.
at June 24, 2008 1:43 PM
"that civilizational anagnoriss that will then lead to the adoption of stern measures" -posted by Hugh
I think that every day, through the efforts to enlighten by sites such as this, and others in the anti-jihad movement, and by individuals here, quietly perservering in their own circles, that recognition is growing, person by person. And perhaps when the light-bulb suddenly turns on over enough of us, we may have our national anagnorisis, and when enough nations wake up, perhaps our civilizational anagnorisis.
Or maybe it won't happen through our efforts at all, but simply by Muslims doing what Muslims do, because they can't help themselves, can't wait for the Stealth Jihad to take full effect, and the Sudden Jihad will be what it takes to wake up our civilization.
Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at June 24, 2008 1:48 PM
It is easy to comprimise your 'comfort barriers' when you only have a membership in a social club, like the Unitarian Church.
Unitarians take pieces of society and religion and merge it into one building. The message is a mixing pot of beliefs, so the lateral move to adopt another belief is easy for them.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at June 24, 2008 1:50 PM
This thread reminds me of a comment posted a couple of days ago . . .
It should be ...interesting. Wish me luck. - dumbledoresarmy
Looking forward to your update. LUCK!
Posted by: heroyalwhyness
I missed that thread, so went back to see what the buzz was about. Found out: spreading the enlightenment, one community at a time. I too wish DDA luck, and shall be praying for her this week.
Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at June 24, 2008 1:55 PM
Ebonystone - It is halal to fart in the general direction of Mecca.
Posted by: MP at June 24, 2008 3:31 PM
Wow, is this stuff ever plain speaking - worthy of Robert and Hugh. I don't know who this writer is, but he seems to be reading jihadwatch. I keep wondering if I have the right to suppose that the facts and perspective of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades, et al, are becoming general possessions? Perhaps the fact that they demand to be either answered back or conceded is becoming a little bit inescapable? I don't know. That's too much optimism for me.
Posted by: Novalis at June 24, 2008 3:31 PM
MP:
Infidel lies! It is strictly haram to break wind toward Holy Makkah!!
Posted by: John C at June 24, 2008 5:37 PM
Spot on:
Heavens no, don't Dis Danes! I distain dissing Danes, but I heartily pay homage to Danes dissing Mo.
Posted by: John C at June 24, 2008 5:48 PM
MP and John C:
Haram or halal, that doesn't mean much to me.
Speak English, s'il vous plait.
at June 24, 2008 11:50 PM
All the Abrahamic religions are nonsense whether Islam, Christianity or Judaism. A rational person would not believe in them. This site is critical of Islam but the same criticism can be levelled against Christianity and Judaism because essentially all these faiths are rooted in the same intolerant thinking, and they share many of the same prophets and beliefs.
In Judaism, they alone are the chosen people. In Christianity, they alone can go to heaven. In Islam, they are true believers.
So which is better and which is worse is like asking what form of cancer is best.
Posted by: Rajiv at June 26, 2008 12:40 PM
'Rajiv'.
Nice piece of highly inaccurate moral equivalencing you've just written, claiming that Christianity and Judaism are just as dangerous as Islam.
If you haven't read Mr Spencer's "Religion of Peace?", you should. I also recommend Tom Cahill's "The Gifts of the Jews".
If you waste your energy trying to defeat the (non-existent) evil Zionist plot to create a worldwide Jewish empire, or the (non-existent) evil Christian plot to create a worldwide Christian empire, you'll have none left over to tackle the likes of Hizb-ut-Tahrir who really DO intend to create a worldwide caliphate by hook or by crook.
Here's a few thoughts on some of the contrasts between the Biblical faiths, and Islam (which is NOT biblical; sure it plagiarises and Biblical persons and stories, but it twists them beyond recognition).
Jews ask only to be left alone to live quietly on the minute patch of dirt which is the one part of the world that they regard as theirs. Jews are NOT aggressive supremacists in the way that Muslims are taught to be. Jews are NOT taught to hate, subjugate, or kill all non-Jews in the world; whereas the Quran envisages Muslims hating, attacking, killing and subjugating all non-Muslims world-wide. Jews do sometimes accept converts, after careful examination, but they don't pester anyone to join. They see their job as tikkun olam - 'repairing the world'.
To get a sense of what Judaism is about, read Tom Cahill, 'The Gifts of the Jews'. And reflect on the extraordinary number of Jewish healers and scientists, as opposed to the proliferation of Muslim assassins, mass murderers and psychopathic tyrants (too many to count).
Now maybe you can't see any difference between Jews and Muslims but I sure can.
Judaism: live quietly inside eretz Israel; or live quietly as productive, loyal citizens of non-Jewish states. Jews: love life, teach sanctity of all human life.
Islam: Quran 9 prescribes a military campaign aimed at Total World Domination. Hassan al-Banna of Muslim Brotherhood: "Islam must dominate, and not be dominated". Muslims: hate life; worship death, send in the suicide assassins to 'slay or be slain in the cause of allah'.
Jews love life and work tirelessly to preserve it; Islam has killed a guesstimate of some 270 million people so far. Muslim spokesmen openly say, 'we love death'.
You think those two belief systems are identical? One loves and honours life; one loves death and hands it out wholesale.
Jews invented psychology; self-examination, self-critique, personal repentance. As for Islam - Nonie Darwish says 'being Arab means never having to say sorry'. Brought up a Muslim, she describes how amazed she was when Jewish people explained to her the meaning of Yom Kippur; Islam contained nothing even remotely similar.
Judaism abhors falsehood and lying; Islam approves the use of falsehood and lying to increase Muslim power over non-Muslims.
You still think they're the same?
Christians have the same regard for objective truth, personal responsibility, truth-telling and self-examination, and the same respect for the sanctity of life, as Jews have. Want to argue there's no difference between Christians and Muslims?
As for politics: the Jew Jesus told his followers to 'go and TEACH all nations'. NOT 'conquer'. So whenever 'christianised' societies engaged in violent empire-building, they were DISOBEYING the founder of Christianity.
Christian scripture NOWHERE tells Christians to hate, attack, kill and/or politically subjugate non-Christians. If I am a follower of Yeshua, I am allowed to peacefully explain (if you ask me) what I believe (but I had better be living a loving and honest life that matches my beliefs); you are free to then accept or refuse. My scriptures DO NOT tell me to subjugate you or kill you, if you refuse.
Reflect on the fact that from the earliest days of Christianity, Christians have cared for the sick, whether Christians or non-Christian. I know Christians are accused of 'bribing' people, or making 'rice Christians'. But after the 2004 tsunami Christians helped everyone in need - Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, animist, Muslim - without attaching any strings to their help. That is a fact.
MUSLIMS do attach strings. Muslims dig wells in African villages...but only Muslims, or those who convert to Islam, are allowed to drink the water. Christians, on the other hand, dig wells and move on; anyone who wants is free to drink the water.
Islam is a supremacist geopolitical cult: the Arab imperial religion. V S Naipaul commented on Islam's total erasure of the societies it conquers, its killing of their history, their cultures. He also stated that Christianity does not do that.
Islam isn't an 'Abrahamic' religion at all; it merely claims (falsely) to be one. Its entire way of imagining god and humanity is radically OPPOSITE to that which is discernible in the Bible.
Now for the practical, political realities. If you are, for example, a Hindu Indian living either in India, or in Australia, Canada or the UK, you are in real physical danger from Muslims (just like every other kafir, whether Jew, Christian, atheist, whatever, is in danger).
You are in no such danger from either Jews or Christians; to claim or believe that you are, would be quite ridiculous.
I don't see any videos going the rounds, featuring rabbis or Christians beheading Hindus...but I do recall that the jihadis beheaded a whole bunch of Nepali Hindus, in Iraq.
Hindus can practise their beliefs and carry out ceremonies undisturbed in majority-Christian secular states such as Australia and the US and Canada, they can display Hindu shrines in their restaurants; but in Muslim Saudi Arabia the Hindu guest-workers are forbidden to practise their faith, bullied, and sometimes falsely accused and killed.
Don't blame Jews and Christians for what Muslims are doing.
And please don't argue that they are 'just the same' as Muslims. They are not; even an atheist should be able to see the differences.
at June 27, 2008 12:23 AM
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