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"There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah. God is great, god is great, god is great. Britain must be punished." Another convert to Islam doesn't get the memo about how Islam is really a Religion of Peace.
"Muslim convert left fake nailbomb on bus, court told," from the Yorkshire Post, June 30 (thanks to Twostellas):
A WHITE Muslim convert planted a hoax bomb on a bus full of people with a note saying that 'Britain must be punished', a court was told today.Nicholas Roddis, 22, is thought to have disguised himself with a long black beard before planting the fake home-made nailbomb on a crowded bus in Rotherham, in May last year.
Leeds Crown Court was told Roddis, of Rotherham, South Yorkshire, had recently learnt the teachings of Islam in a move to convert over to the religion and had even recorded the preachings of disgraced cleric Abu Hamza.
Prosecutor Edward Brown QC told Leeds Crown Court Roddis's conversion had been noted by work colleagues and he had alienated a childhood friend by talking about bomb-making.
On May 8 last year, a man disguised with a long black beard boarded a bus with two carrier bags, he told the jury.
Not long after he disembarked, leaving one bag behind. A passenger checked inside and saw three packages with nails, wire, a working clock and a note with foreign writing on it.
"Obviously this man was convinced he was looking straight at a bomb and shouted to the driver and the police were called," Mr Brown said.
Fifty homes were evacuated and a 100 metre cordon was thrown up around the bus, while the bomb was detonated in a controlled explosion and found to be a hoax.
"That was to be no consolation to the passengers at the time, to those on the bus looking at what they thought was a bomb," he added.
The writing on the piece of paper was in Arabic and read "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah. God is great, god is great, god is great. Britain must be punished." It was signed Al Qaeda Organisation of Iraq....
Posted by Robert at June 30, 2008 2:42 PM
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OT - there was an incident in Carcassone, France today where a military hostage rescue exercise, using blank ammo, resulted in 16 wounded when one sergeant fired live ammo, which he reportedly loaded after firing off his blanks. It has been reported that this is all but impossible to do accidentally. The soldier has been detained. No information on that soldier.
Hmm...Inquiring minds want to know....
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at June 30, 2008 3:02 PM
"God is great"
Yeah, our God, not your god, Mohammedan. So pitifully deceived you are.
Your Murder-god, "allah," loves a bomb.
My God, the Christian God, God of Peace and Love, Jesus, hates a bomb.
And that's the enormous difference between the two, you pitifully-deceived human.
Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2008 3:06 PM
How silly to use a fake bomb our lunatic government would have given him a plane to crash !!
http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/06/muslim-students-taught-to-fly/
Posted by: TrueBrit at June 30, 2008 3:13 PM
He really didn't learn the lessons of Mohammed, did he? A fake bomb (won't kill a single one of Allah's many enemies) and a refusal to martyr himself. Even if he wanted to punish Britain he wasn't about to become the instrument of Allah's "peace".
He really IS a misunderstander! Whaddya know!
Then again, this could have been a test of Britain's security apparatus. Jihadists need to know how big the bomb would have to be to defeat the security precautions.
Posted by: PMK at June 30, 2008 3:24 PM
TrueBrit
How silly to use a fake bomb our lunatic government would have given him a plane to crash !!
Well here is something
Armageddon Britain: A detailed insight into how a terrorist attack on Britain could happen any day without warning
at June 30, 2008 3:24 PM
I think I finally understand why bush is such a constant apologist for islam. He has been misunderestimated for years. And islam has been misunderstood by its followers for years. Nearly 1400, to be exact.
Posted by: sheik yer booty at June 30, 2008 3:44 PM
"Prosecutor Edward Brown QC told Leeds Crown Court Roddis's conversion had been noted by work colleagues and he had alienated a childhood friend by talking about bomb-making."
-- from the article above
Yes, that does tend to "alienate" childhood friends, doesn't it? The Qur'an, the beard, the fanatical expression, and...oh yes, I almost forgot, the talk "about bomb-making." Just the thing to cast a pall on the next alumni reunion or family gathering.
Posted by: Hugh at June 30, 2008 4:26 PM
This guy sounds like another bottom-of-the-barrel Brit. It's interesting how Western converts to the religion of peace and tolerance again and again prove to be losers. The collective IQ of Muslims is already something not to brag about (just look at what the Islamic world has achieved over the past half millennium as an indicator), but with converts like this joker it's only going to go lower, which has to function as good news for kuffaars everywhere.
Posted by: Wellington at June 30, 2008 4:53 PM
How many more cases of "Muslim something or other" happening in the UK (rapes, bombs, hate-mongering, honor killings, mosque building, creeping Sharia, you name it) is it going to take for the British to wake up and say "Something is very effed up here"???? It's to the point where barely a day passes now that there isn't a story from the UK posted here at Jihad Watch or Dhimmi Watch. This is startling.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 30, 2008 5:26 PM
Nicholas Roddis, 22, is thought to have disguised himself with a long black beard
Was it a disguise, or did he simply grow a beard in accordance with the teachings of Islam? Let me guess, he also started using a new name ("Mohammad bin Laden" or some variation thereof) in order to throw the police off his trail?
The writing on the piece of paper was in Arabic and read "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah. God is great, god is great, god is great."
Cue "the authorities'" pronouncement that this action had nothing to do with religion: 3..2..1..
Posted by: special_guest at June 30, 2008 5:27 PM
@ Darcy
LOL, that was an AWESOME post. May I copy to my blog?
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 30, 2008 5:29 PM
"The collective IQ of Muslims is already something not to brag about (just look at what the Islamic world has achieved over the past half millennium as an indicator)"
They gave the world some pretty good architecture and music. I can't see anything else useful. Some good buildings and some good music stacked up against 1,400 years of murder and mayhem...nah, I'll pass.
Kinda reminds me of how people love to say what a legend Michael Jackson is and how "despite everything" he is one of the all-time greats "and nothing can change that". A few good pop tunes 25 years ago stacked up against multiple charges of pederasty, baby-buying, a butchered face and shady finance dealings...nah, I'll pass on that too.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 30, 2008 5:34 PM
special guest
you noticed this - " Nicholas Roddis, 22, is thought to have disguised himself with a long black beard" and asked:
"Was it a disguise, or did he simply grow a beard in accordance with the teachings of Islam?"
The way I read it: I'm sure he wanted the beard to conform with Islamic requirements (which doesn't at all rule out the disguise aspect) but something about the way the article's written sounds more like he went along to the nearest costume shop. Instant long black beard, all the better to "epater la bourgeoisie", or, in this case, 'epater les kafiroun'.
For all we know, the police got him after the costume shop people heard the news about the 'bomb' and a bloke with a big black beard and rang up saying, 'hey, we had this weird guy who came in to buy a fake beard a week ago...Do we know his name? - Sure, mate, we had a bad feeling about him and yeah, we wrote it down...".
If it WAS a fake beard, it deserves to be ridiculed up hill and down dale. The perfect model of a Modern Mohammedan: with a fake beard hung on his dressing-table, so that he can wear it to mosque, or on jihad; but when he wants to pass as a kafir or a 'moderate Muslim', for purposes of taqiyya, he leaves it at home and goes for the 'cleanshaven' smooth look.
at June 30, 2008 5:58 PM
Interesting that the article immediately specified a "white" Muslim.
Of course, these same media folks still call people like us "racist" because we are critical of Islam.
Go figure.
Posted by: shortfattexan at June 30, 2008 6:18 PM
"alienate" childhood friends",
seems this convert is following in his prophet's footsteps, was not mohummad a loner and orphan, until he married a rich older widow? who would of known, some loser ilerate gigalo, thief,
rapist and murderer would become a leader of such a deadly cult!
at June 30, 2008 6:23 PM
They gave the world some pretty good architecture and music. I can't see anything else useful. Some good buildings and some good music stacked up against 1,400 years of murder and mayhem...nah, I'll pass.
Madame Vengier,
Did the Muslims do that or did the civilizations they had conquered continue their development?
How much of what we call Islamic is actually the product of another Middle Eastern culture?
Like "Arabic" numbers - they're Indian in origin.
at June 30, 2008 6:47 PM
funny thing about converts o reverts to islam
(as they like to call them selfs ,funny we are not born muslim except in the eyes of these so called reverts)it seem like some try to emulate big mo and become closed minded and cant belive the truth .
at June 30, 2008 6:50 PM
@ Darcy
LOL, that was an AWESOME post. May I copy to my blog?
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 30, 2008 5:29 PM
Wow, Madame, sure!
Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2008 7:10 PM
Madame Vengier: What music did the Islamic world give to mankind? Last time I looked Islamic musical theatre was a pretty thin repertoire. There's nothing akin in the Islamic world to opera. And absolutely no Islamic figure even remotely approaches a Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. Islamic jazz or ragtime contributions are, last time I checked, pretty slim pickings too. I'll give Muslims some good architecture but then I would also give Nazi Germany and the USSR some fine scientific achievements. A totalitarian society, after all, can't be entirely useless, just mostly so-------and always an enemy to the most important contributions an enlightened society can make, to wit, the protection, promotion and expansion of human dignity and freedom.
Posted by: Wellington at June 30, 2008 7:25 PM
You're insulting the Nazis, Wellington.
at June 30, 2008 8:07 PM
sheik yer'mami: Point well taken.
Posted by: Wellington at June 30, 2008 8:33 PM
The writing on the piece of paper was in Arabic and read "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah. God is great, god is great, god is great. Britain must be punished."
'Britain must be punished'. For what this time?
I guess Britain has not been punished enough, or compliant enough. Britain needs to comply with muslims just a little bit more, and act inferior and subdued while they are complying. It is not enough for the officials to comply, the washer woman down the street needs to comply as well...So does the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker, they all need to comply. The floggings will continue until morale improves. The Islamic morale that is...
Posted by: duh_swami at June 30, 2008 9:07 PM
@ Wellington
Please calm yourself down. Your post was so aggressive and accusatory it was like you were talking to an Islam-sympathizer which everyone knows I am far, far, far from.
Also, in your opposition to Islam be careful not say things that will make you look silly. Stating that there is nothing like opera in the Muslim world is silly. Of course there is nothing like opera in the Muslim world. It's a western art form.
Middle Eastern and Arabic music is quite beautiful. Oriental Dance (popularly known as Bellydance) music, for example, came out of the Arabic world. One of my favorite singers in the world is an Egyptian (Muslim) named Amr Diab. He is a pop singer and his music encapsulates traditional Arabic sounds but it's also very fusion-based. He incorporates many styles, but the sound is always Middle Eastern and he only sings in Arabic. In any case I'm not going to argue with you or anyone else about Arabic music. It exists. Some of it is incredibly beautiful. My intense dislike for Islam does not color the way I view art. And I'm not going to deny the existence of a beautiful art form just because I loathe the culture it came from.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at July 1, 2008 7:56 AM
Madame Vengier
Putting nasheeds (islam prayers) and Palistian propaganda to music is not an art form, to me it is cacophonia
I also hear that donkeys sing very well in Egypt
Posted by: InfidelK9 at July 1, 2008 9:35 AM
Madame Vengier: I was perfectly calm when I wrote my last missive to you. It is you who interpreted it as polemical or accusatory or some such thing (amazing how women think men are being aggressive when men are just making some kind of statement). It's just that Islamic music is pretty close to an oxymoron and what you termed Arab or Middle Eastern music, which is pure second-rate stuff in my opinion, though you're certainly entitled to disagree here, has little or nothing to do with the Islamic faith, which, being totalitarian in nature unlike any other major religion, is supposed to address all things in life, including the arts. Contrast this to the Judeo-Christian world where there is both beautiful religious and secular music, each of a first-class nature over the course of centuries. The Islamic world has nothing to compare to this, belly-dancing music et al. notwithstanding. As for my comment about opera (which Lord Clark termed one of the two most beautifully strange art forms of the West, the other being Gothic architecture), I was being facetious, as I was with the comment about Islamic musical theatre (or jazz or ragtime or ....) which obviously you missed.
Now, I know full well we're on the same page where Islam is concerned and please don't interpret this response as aggressive. It is not. I write in a spirit of friendship in my old masculine, just-get-the-damn-truth-out kind of way. My best to you and yours and we'll just have to disagree about the music thing here, but I still will give you the architecture thing. Take care.
Posted by: Wellington at July 1, 2008 1:11 PM
@ Wellington
I never said anything about music relating to the Islamic religion. I was referring to Arab culture. The people who make this traditional Middle Eastern music are Muslim--whether they are fervent or not I have no idea. But it is music that comes from an Arab/Islamic culture. Continuing to bring up opera and jazz is completely beside the point. These are completely different art forms coming from completely different parts of the world, so why pit them against each other? This makes no sense. Not everyone loves jazz and opera. I am sure that some people who love opera may think jazz is a joke and vice versa. I certainly think rap and hiphop are a joke but I recognize that they are a form of music in their own right. I just happen to think they are useless.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at July 1, 2008 2:53 PM
@ InfidelK9
You just sounded really silly. Not all Arabic music is Islamic prayers. I wouldn't even listen to music of Islamic prayers. You are completely uninformed about Middle Eastern music yet you were willing to refer to it in an insulting and demeaning manner, which means insulting and demeaning towards me since I clearly stated that I like Middle Eastern music. Thanks a lot.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at July 1, 2008 2:57 PM
Many art historians who attempt to analyze "Islamic" art in India seem to forget that the Islamic faith was born in a rather barren land without a history or tradition of support for the fine arts.
In any case, in terms of architecture, prior to the ascendance of Islam in the Middle East, one could speak of monumental Egyptian, Persian or Babylonian architecture, but certainly not Meccan architecture. As Islam spread, it was obliged to borrow and adapt from the older traditions that already existed in the lands it conquered.
There was one form of architecture which the muslims where good at but, is not spoken about much is places like ĆELE KULA, KELLARH i MINAR and BURJ er ROOS
Just one look at these examples of pure islamic architecture will help you understand the five pillars of islam
http://images.google.co.id/imgres?imgurl=http://bp2.blogger.com/_RW8pxsMlS4o/R7ScCzFxF3I/AAAAAAAAG1U/EOB-AgnQX1Y/s400/2783.jpg&imgrefurl=http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html&h=258&w=400&sz=26&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=2nwRzgoNABrApM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtower%2Bof%2Bskulls%2Billustrated%2Bpig%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1B3GGGL_enID242ID242%26sa%3DN
at July 1, 2008 3:46 PM
sorry about the link
Islamic architecture
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/02/five-pillars-of-islam.html
Posted by: InfidelK9 at July 1, 2008 3:58 PM
God is greater than Allah and Allah is inferior to God. They are not one and the same. God loves peace and Allah is blood-thirsty.
Posted by: American at July 1, 2008 1:44 PM
Why are you capitalizing "allah." "allah" is a pagan deity. God (Jesus) certainly is capitalized, but not "allah," the Arabian pagan moon deity that doesn't exist.
God and Jesus are "One and the Same."
"allah" is not. "allah" doesn't exist. It's an idol.
Posted by: darcy at July 1, 2008 5:35 PM
Madame Vengier: If you wish to think that Arab/Middle Eastern music is of a sterling or first-rate quality, that is your right. I don't think so. But I do believe that cultures can be compared. For instance, ancient Greek culture far surpasses Russian culture in the area of the promotion of human freedom. I also would hold to the view that Russian literature blows Dutch literature out of the water, but that the Dutch painting tradition is almost unsurpassed in world history. And so on. As I said before, I'll give the Islamic world some good architecture (and even here a lot was borrowed from others), but its musical tradition is one with which I am hardly impressed. Now, remember, I've not lost my cool here, nor do I aver you do not have a right to your opinion. It's just that I vigorously disagree with your opinion about the quality of music that has emanated from the Islamic world over the centuries. Enough said. Take care.
Posted by: Wellington at July 1, 2008 6:55 PM
K back to the article lol. Obviously just a stupid & bad taste 'prank'. Making a joke out of a hoax is well beyond out of order but at the end of the day a prat & a terrorist are completely different. The note written in terrible arabic (i read in the papers) was (metaphor) the icing on the cake, or in his case package. This whole case has probably been twisted & distorted by the police so they can reprehend-they cant catch the real terrorists! They are quite frankly not intelligent enough! Harsh but true they would rather waste even more money, time & prison space with harmless idiots. But thats my opinion & another issue. Does this guy have previous hoax acts? He was most likely thinking the package would not even be taken seriuosly maybe he was just wondering what would happen? From what i have read in the papers the charges against him are ridiculous, lots of people have messed about with detonators.
Posted by: Mike at July 6, 2008 2:16 PM
I would also like to add- thousands of people have watched beheading videos. When the Ken Bigley video came out, people were going bonkers about it with shock. And Nick Burg, it was truly horrifying & upsetting. Its a morbid fascination at the end of the day to some individuals. Some people do not shy & do not want to be ignorant to the fact terrible atrocities happen & are unfortunatley still happening. We like to think, or pretend, we live in a sophisticated world but how can that possibly be true when horrific suffering is still going on?!
Posted by: Mike at July 6, 2008 2:32 PM
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