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Just like anyone else
This story is typical of how people who have no idea that the jihad ideology and Islamic supremacism even exist view Islam: it's a trifle exotic, yes, but more sinned against than sinning, you see -- for look, they're just like us! They have cellphones and drink Starbucks coffee! "It's not about terrorism or hatred. It's about love."
And of course, Muslims are just like us -- human nature is everywhere the same. But Starbucks coffee, cellphones, and the merry shrieks of children aren't quite enough to dispel the suspicions aroused by the fact that the Islamic Circle of North America was named in an internal Muslim Brotherhood memorandum in 1991 as one of the organizations involved in a "kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions."
Steven Emerson pointed out as long ago as 1997 that "the Islamic Circle of North America (or ICNA) proclaims in writing its support for jihad, or holy war, against the 'enemies of Islam'; its U.S.-based conferences and publications are replete with the need to support the terrorist regime of the Sudan and the need to support 'Islamic movements' in which category they include Hamas and the Islamic Salvation Front among others. ICNA's hatred of Jews is so fierce that it has taunted Jews with a repetition of what Hitler did to them."
Just like anyone else? Maybe if "anyone else" is Julius Streicher.
"In Hartford, Thousands Gather To Celebrate Islam," by Matt Burgard for the Hartford Courant, July 6 (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist):
A woman wearing a burqa sat on a bench Saturday at the Connecticut Convention Center in Hartford, the fabric across her face revealing only her eyes.
If reporter Matt Burgard could see her eyes, then she was wearing a niqab, not a burqa. The burqa covers everything, leaving only a screen to allow the wearer to see out. The niqab covers the face but reveals the eyes.
Next to her, a group of children chatted on cellphones and shrieked merrily over the sound of chanting music calling the assembled masses to prayers.At the annual Islamic Circle of North America Convention, the traditional mixes easily with the modern.
"We're just like anyone else, and I think people have a hard time understanding that," said Sakina Abduss-Salaam, a New Jersey woman who strolled through the convention Saturday wearing a black-and-gold Islamic hijab dress and holding a Starbucks iced coffee.
Abduss-Salaam said she converted to Islam 18 years ago when she met her husband, a Muslim. She said the religion has shaped her life as she and her husband have raised two children and held full-time jobs in a society that sometimes views Muslims with distrust.
"It's not about terrorism or hatred. It's about love," she said. "Being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
The convention, which has taken place in Hartford for the last four years, is expected to draw more than 15,000 people by the time it winds down later today, said Muhammad Rahman, the convention's co-chairman.
He said most of those who have shown up this weekend are Muslims from the East Coast stretching from New England to the Carolinas, though many have traveled from Canada and Texas and other far-off points.
"It's become a very popular family event and that's what we intended," Rahman said. "We want to educate our young people about the true meaning of Islam, as well as help overcome a lot of misperceptions on the part of non-Muslims."...
Ah, yes, those ever-present misperceptions on the part of non-Muslims. Silly non-Muslims! When Muslims shout "Allahu akbar" in the midst of committing murder, they somehow get the idea that Islam has something to do with violence! But fear not: Rahman, and all his friends in the mainstream media (conservative as well as liberal), are working hard to correct that "misperception." If non-Muslims simply stop speaking about or noticing in any way the Islamic justifications for violence and supremacism that the jihadists are propagating, and insist despite all the evidence to the contrary that Islam is peaceful, those "misperceptions" will finally have been conquered. And we are well on the way already. Have another latte!
Posted by Robert at July 6, 2008 6:40 AM
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To find out whether they are just like us, there is one acid test that works everytime and exposes the madness. Just bring up two subjects: Mohammed and the status of the Jews in the eyes of Muslims. I have found that whenever I raise the subject of Mohammed with a Muslim, highlighting his actions in a detached and reasonable way, things get heavy. Indeed I have been threatened with death. See, they're just like us.
The next time I hear this:"If any one insults my prophet I'll kill him'...it's a phone call to the police..in mid conversation... and a request for an injunction.
Underneath the friendly 'just like us' veneer, there lies an insane rabid hatred of the Jews...not difficult to unearth in conversation either.
Of course,an essential weapon in this war against this irrational and psychotic belief system is a knowledge of some of the key verses in the Koran and Hadith that describe the worst aspects of Mohammed's life and that spew venom towards unbelievers and Jews. This never fails and is guaranteed to induce something akin to an epileptic fit in your Muslim or dhimmi interlocutor. A perversely satisfying spectacle. It's rather like an exorcism...when the demon is exposed and cornered.
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at July 6, 2008 7:20 AM
"Just bring up two subjects: Mohammed and the status of the Jews in the eyes of Muslims."
For "Mohamed" the following topics will do nicely to induce early-onset hysteria:
1) the murder of Asma bint Marwan, who had mocked Muhammad with some verses.
2) the decaptation of the bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza
3) the attack on the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis
4) the "betrothal" to little Aisha when she was six, and sexual intercourse with her when she was nine.
There are dozens of others, but of course this should all be mentioned in the context of Muslim-worship of Muhamamd as "the Perfect Man" -- al-insan al-kamil -- the model for all Muslims, forever, about everything.
Have a piece of paper handy with the references to these events in Muhammad's life. Be quietly informed. Make sure you have a dozen, or ten dozen, quotes from the Qur'an -- Sura 9 will provide plenty -- about the Muslim view of what is to be done with Infidels.
You are doing this for several reasons.
One, it is important that Muslims understand that we understand, and that the more they engage in taqiyya and tu-quoque the more they will simply raise suspicions, suspicions that are well-founded, for they are based on both the immutable texts (Qur'an, Hadith, Sira), and on the observable behavior of Muslims, all over the world (why should Infidels outside of Thailand not take what Muslims are doing to Buddhists in southern Thailand, or not see what happens to Hindus and Christians in Pakistan and Bangladesh and to the Kashmiri Pandits; why should people outside of Israel not see how the ruthless Jihad against Israel is and has been and always will be conducted; why should not we in North America take in what is happening in Western Europe, especially the behavior of Muslims in countries famously tolerant, such as The Netherlands and Denmark? Why should we not observe the "no-go" areas, off-limits to Swedish policemen and firemen, in Malmo, or the same kind of thing in parts of London?
Multiply the examples.
Get ready to make life uneasy for those who think it is the mixture as before, and that the gullibility and ignorance of Infidels is bottomless.
It isn't.
Posted by: Hugh at July 6, 2008 7:39 AM
The Muslims keep accusing us infidels of misunderstanding their religion. Fine, so the answer to that is to learn more about it. That's exactly what I've been doing these past years, which is why I visit this web site. To understand Islam does not necessarily mean to like Islam, and disliking Islam does not necessarily mean misunderstanding it.
Posted by: jewdog at July 6, 2008 7:50 AM
"We are all called to treat each other with respect."
Indeed -- and Qur'an 48:29 reveals just what "we" and "each other" mean in this context:
Muhammad is the Messenger of God, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another.
To wit: "those who are with him" -- that is, other Muslims. As to the rest of us, we are due no more respect than "the worst of creatures," as per Qur'an 98:6.
at July 6, 2008 7:59 AM
"The Muslims keep accusing us infidels of misunderstanding their religion. Fine, so the answer to that is to learn more about it. . . . To understand Islam does not necessarily mean to like Islam, . . ."
Posted by: jewdog
Actually, the more that one learns about Islam, the less one finds to like.
at July 6, 2008 8:03 AM
How many "just like us" Jews and Christians were invited to this Convention? How many even gave it a passing thought?
I never knew that drinking Starbucks iced Coffee was the great common denominator. What are we going to do when 600 or so of them close.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at July 6, 2008 8:05 AM
Yep, they're just like us. They have two arms, two legs, and the other physical attributes which make us human beings. But that's it. Their minds, their morals, their beliefs are totally foreign to us. "East is east, and west is west, and never the twain shall meet".
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at July 6, 2008 8:13 AM
It would be useful if one of the more knowledgeable islamoscholars on this site would develop a credit card size reference with the most relevant citations from the Koran/Sira/Hadith. This could be printed out, laminated and kept in a wallet or pocket, ready for instant use.
Perhaps Robert might also consider publishing a "Pocket Guide to Islam" which would be very compact and portable.
The greatest challenge would be deciding which of the many canonical texts of Mohammedanism would be the most important to have at one's fingertips. This selection would best be made by someone with lots of personal experience in confronting Mohammedans with the raw realities of their own belief system.
Posted by: urbanIIredux at July 6, 2008 8:14 AM
Bill boards with "allah's words" would go a long way toward clearing up misconceptions and would elicit laws suits as well.
Posted by: Mr.Fitnah at July 6, 2008 8:30 AM
This morning I've been watching a speech about America by Newt Gingrich, in which he mentions Islam as a threat to America. He said this:
"You need to have the moral courage to stand up for your beliefs. And if you're not being attacked for thoose beliefs, then maybe you're not standing up enough."
Islam is evil. Now, come on you PC ignoramuses and attack me. I can deal with it beause I know I'm right, and you're a brainwashed imbecile.
Got that?!
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 8:45 AM
"Being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
That, Black-Sheeted Muslimah, is a pile of stinking doggie-doo, and I do mean DOG!
The Q says "Take not the Jews and Christians as friends," and "Fight them until there is no more "fitnah" and all submit to the religion of Allah alone."
And many more similar NON-"respectful" verses toward others. 164 verses with the word "Jihad."
HELLO! WE CAN READ! WE CAN READ! LET ME REPEAT: WE CAN READ! YES, THE FILTHY KUFFAR WHO INVENTED EVERY SINGLE THING YOU USE IN YOUR LIFE, CAN READ!
at July 6, 2008 8:52 AM
In the 90's, when I learned about how Muslim women were treated in the Middle East, and how they had to walk around in black sheets, I got so pissed off at Muslim males for treating females so horribly.
Now, I see that thing above and the BS she spouts while living in America or the UK, and I really don't care anymore. Yeah, sure, somewhat. But, it seems more and more that they are our enemy, too, along with, of course, the Mohammedan males.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 8:57 AM
"The burqa covers everything, leaving only a screen to allow the wearer to see out. The niqab covers the face but reveals the eyes."
That which we call a tent by any other name is just as offensive.
The difference between burka and niqab is like the difference between prison and jail.
Posted by: Pelayo at July 6, 2008 8:57 AM
urbanIIredux,I think this is a great idea. I'll be happy to assist with my personal experiences. I have been reading this sight for a while now but didn't have the courage to post before. Now it is time to share my views with you. I hope you will give me the chance to do so.
Posted by: Amal.Mamoul at July 6, 2008 9:15 AM
It would be useful if one of the more knowledgeable islamoscholars on this site would develop a credit card size reference with the most relevant citations from the Koran/Sira/Hadith. This could be printed out, laminated and kept in a wallet or pocket, ready for instant use.
Perhaps Robert might also consider publishing a "Pocket Guide to Islam" which would be very compact and portable. --urbanIIredux
Those are GREAT ideas! You know how the Mo's just distributed the Q door-to-door in Houston? I would take the Islam quote "credit cards," put them in envelopes, and mail them to everyone I know, far and wide!
PLEASE RS do this! CAIR would have a heart attack!
And the Pocket Guide, too. Generally speaking, people are much more apt to read something in brief than a book. Unfortunate, but true. So, LET'S DO IT!
urban - your ideas are FABULOUS! I hope RS takes you up on them!
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 9:25 AM
If RS could get the "credit card" and pocket guide out before Christmas, everyone I know get's 'em. Also, just like the Houston Mohammedans with their Q, I'd leave those two in mailboxes throughout my neighborhood and city.
Fight fire with fire, People!
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 9:29 AM
I ran into a bit of strife with a Muslim with Qur'an:8:7
"Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
I mean this is all over the net but it appears that it is either incorrect or a very harsh interpretation. If it is incorrect then we are not doing ourselves any favors quoting it.
If it is correct, then why does it differ so greatly from the Koran?
Who can explain?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 6, 2008 9:44 AM
The picture above of the niqab'd girl, with the caption underneath ("Just like anyone else") should make us think, of course, of the much more dangerous picture: that not of the obvious slave of Allah, but rather of the Muslimah who, perfectly at home with the language and customs -perhaps an Ingrid Mattson type -- a Western-dressed Musliman, who may wear only the hijab, and that hijab could be an understated elegant chic Hermes scarf, and who, to all outward appearances, is indeed "one of us."
What counts, however, is what Muslims possess in their mental makeup, whatever their outward aspect, whether burqa'ed or hijabbed or somewhere in-between, if women, whether bearded, or moustached, or clean-shaven if men. The immigrants do not declare what they bring in their mental baggage. The converts to Islam do not declare what it is, by now becoming Muslims, they now willingly adhere to, and what the texts, and the tenets, and the attitudes, of Islam naturally, inevitably, mean for Infidels, even if they cannot pick up from outward and visible signs what lies within.
The burqa'ed lady tells us something. But what of the "smyler with the knyf under the cloke" -- especially if it is an ideological knife, to be used only when the time is right, and what if there is no actual cloak at all, to look under, or be wary about?
Posted by: Hugh
at July 6, 2008 9:46 AM
Darcy, that is a good idea, but the only person who can legally place anything in a mailbox is a post office employee or the resident. Several years ago local postal enforcers ordered the delivery personnel to confiscate every newspaper placed in a mailbox. That's why special newspaper tubes are attached to mailbox posts across the US.
One complaint could cause a lot of trouble.
Posted by: Pelayo at July 6, 2008 9:47 AM
People, I just went and checked for more posts on the WSJ "Islamophobia" article. Well, there aren't anymore, but here's a little gem from yesterday by a "Carl Moore."
"Islamophobia is irrational? Three thousand innocent people were murdered in the name of Islam on 9/11. Terrorists are attacking innocent people all around the world in the name of Islam. Where's the irrationality?"
So right, Carl.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 9:48 AM
"We're just like anyone else,..."
Yeah, just like me and my neighbors, except that neither I nor any of my neighbors has ever:
1. beaten his wife
2. had his young daughter circumcised
3. sent his young teen daughter back to the Old Country to be married to cousin Abdul
4. heard a sermon telling us to kill all the Jews
5. threatened death to a writer or artist or cartoonist who offended us
6. heard a sermon telling us that apostates and homosexuals should be killed
7. wiped oneself with stones
8. gone about in public in a mask, apart from Halloween
9. raped any "uncovered meat"
10.marched in a demonstration with placards saying "death to Bush" or "death to America"
at July 6, 2008 9:49 AM
ROBERT: "Ah, yes, those ever-present misperceptions on the part of non-Muslims. Silly non-Muslims! When Muslims shout "Allahu akbar" in the midst of committing murder, they somehow get the idea that Islam has something to do with violence! But fear not: Rahman, and all his friends in the mainstream media (conservative as well as liberal), are working hard to correct that "misperception." "
RESPONSE: Compare the op-ed section of the conservative Washington Times with that of the liberal Washington Post...compare the commentary on conservative Fox cable with that of liberal CNN...and you get an idea of how unfair Robert's comment is. It is an imitation of the moral equivalence one typically hears from the Left.
Certainly there are conservative individuals and companies within the MSM that validate Islam, but this doesn't negate the overall reality that conservatives are much more honest in dealing with this issue than Liberals.
Posted by: Cornelius at July 6, 2008 9:49 AM
From article: "It's not about terrorism or hatred. It's about love," she said. "Being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
Three lies and one truth. That's Islam, three fourths a lie.
They are called upon to treat 'each other' with respect, but have a hard time maintaining even that.
I wonder if this convert of 18 years has even read the Quran...maybe the hubby is the family Imam and she just walks five paces behind...
at July 6, 2008 9:50 AM
Darcy, that is a good idea, but the only person who can legally place anything in a mailbox is a post office employee or the resident. -Pelayo
Oh, that's true, Pelayo.
OK, on the porch, steps, or hanging from the doorknob?
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 9:51 AM
"We're just like anyone else,..."
Yeah, just like me and my neighbors, except that neither I nor any of my neighbors has ever:
1. beaten his wife
2. had his young daughter circumcised
3. sent his young teen daughter back to the Old Country to be married to cousin Abdul
4. heard a sermon telling us to kill all the Jews
5. threatened death to a writer or artist or cartoonist who offended us
6. heard a sermon telling us that apostates and homosexuals should be killed
7. wiped oneself with stones
8. gone about in public in a mask, apart from Halloween
9. raped any "uncovered meat"
10.marched in a demonstration with placards saying "death to Bush" or "death to America"
Posted by: ebonystone at July 6, 2008 9:49 AM
That's a good list, ebonystone, but, realistically speaking, you have no idea what goes on behind your neighbors' closed doors. Women and wives get "beaten" all the time, in every class in America and worldwide. Has nothing to do with religion - male violence against females is endemic to every culture. That's just fact. So, you cannot unequivocably state that your male neighbors' haven't done that. Have you ever heard the Irish phrase "Street Angel/House Devil?" An Irish woman I met told me that phrase.
She had been a victim of her husband "house devil." No one else knew until she spoke out loud.
Everything else on your list I agree with. Except. You also can't know with complete certainty who is a rapist and who is not. In any culture. Has nothing to do with religion. Also, British Common Law long maintained that it was legal for a man to discipline his wife in moderation.
We are totally in love with the truth about Islam, Mo, and Qur'an here on this site, so, let's not fudge the truth about male-on-female violence that many Western women have suffered and endured. Particularly domestic violence and rape.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 10:27 AM
darcy,
Thanks for the post about WSJ. I only found it this am. I was surprised that Dr. Goldberg's entry wasn't posted. Did you like the first entry? It was mine.
at July 6, 2008 10:51 AM
"Darcy, that is a good idea, but the only person who can legally place anything in a mailbox is a post office employee or the resident." --Pelayo
Darcy and Pelayo,
It wouldn't be cheap, with the price of stamps, these days, but the cards could always go into the mail.
You'd have to look up Zip Codes, but street addresses are listed in phone books. It costs 27 cents to send a card.
I thought the idea sounded interesting, so I looked up the info :-)
Posted by: Abscedere at July 6, 2008 10:52 AM
"Being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
I'll begin to believe it when Mecca, and all of Saudi Arabia, is open to people of all faiths.
I'll begin to believe it when imams stop calling on all Muslims to practice jihad against the West. Muslims have no problem insulting Jews and Christians but they can't take even a metaphor.
I'll begin to believe it when Muslims stop intimidating people of other faiths or refuse to serve them.
I'll begin to believe it when the many verses in the Koran that call for Jews and Christians to convert or die or submit are renounced and removed from the book. Imagine if we had a "terrorism tax" which only Muslims had to pay as compensation for the many costs we have had to assume to keep ourselves safe from Islamists. Would this lady stand for that?
I'll begin to believe it when this lady says the same in front of a mob in Tehran or Riyadh or Gaza or Beirut.
Does this lady even know the meaning of the word "respect"?
Posted by: PMK at July 6, 2008 11:00 AM
I, too, have learned much from this site, and am grateful to Mr. Spencer and others who educate us about Islam. The more we know the more we can counter their false claims.
Whether the woman was wearing a burqa (we know she was not), or a niqab, both are neverthless symbols of oppression. As a woman, I find these garments to be highly offensive. I refuse to be "faceless." They are decidedly NOT "just like us."
Posted by: FideiDefensor at July 6, 2008 11:19 AM
darcy,
Thanks for the post about WSJ. I only found it this am. I was surprised that Dr. Goldberg's entry wasn't posted. Did you like the first entry? It was mine.
Posted by: PMK at July 6, 2008 10:51 AM
Yes I did, Pat. Very reasoned. Uh huh, it would be nice for Hussein, if elected President God Forbid, to condemn and reject shar'ia law as draconian, barbaric, primitive and backward.
Using those words.
Actually, I believe Dr. Goldberg submitted his directly to the Editor.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 11:20 AM
Darcy and Pelayo,
It wouldn't be cheap, with the price of stamps, these days, but the cards could always go into the mail.
You'd have to look up Zip Codes, but street addresses are listed in phone books. It costs 27 cents to send a card. --Abscedere
What return address would one use, Abscedere?
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 11:23 AM
The burqa covers everything, leaving only a screen to allow the wearer to see out. The niqab covers the face but reveals the eyesBurqa, niqab, jilbab, hijab,.... If any of these 'clothing' items were white instead of black, and the wearers were Whites, you wouldn't be seeing the 'just like anyone else' quotes being reproduced.
It's Klanswear, plain & simple, just a different color
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 6, 2008 11:28 AM
"Being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
-- from the article above, quoting a Muslimah
Is that what Muhammad, through his words and deeds, through his example, taught? Is that what the Qur'an teaches -- to "treat each other with respect" and that "being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person"? Is that what 1350 years of Muslim conquest, and subjugation of tens of millions of non-Muslmis, including those "Christian" and "Jewish" persons, demonstrates? Is the institution of the dhimmi --with its condition, for Jews and Christians, of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity (here and there relieved, not by a change in doctrine, but by a ruler who chose to be kind rather than brutal, but that was an individual matter, just as Akbar, syncretistic Akbar, removed the Jizyah requirement for Hindus, one promptly re-instated by the next ruler, Aurengzeb).
Islam is based on an uncompromising division of the world between Believer and Unbeliever, or Infidel. There must be a state of war between the two - though not always a state of openwarfare -- for Muslims have a duty to spread Islam, and to constantly exand the boundaries of Dar al-Islam, the place where Islam dominates, and Muslims rule. This is a duty, not a suggestion.
The Muslimah who uttered that pleasing nonsense above should be made aware that such statements make her less, not more, suspect. Only a forthright admission of what Islam teaches, what its texts contain and its tenets demand, and what the attitudes of those who are suffused with Islam must necessarily be, at this point is acceptable. What one does about those texts, tenets, attitudes is another matter. But at the very least, Muslims have got to stop denying what is easy to find out, and not exactly a secret, given all the testimony not only of the defectors from Islam, the apostates (who constitute the morally and intellectually advanced subset of people born, through no fault of their own, into Islam), not only from the great Western scholars of Islam, who flourished in the period 1860-1960, but also is no longer a secret because Muslims themselves, the Believers, have put all over the Internet their own Muslim websites where we can eavesdrop, and read the texts, and see what Muslims naturally make of those texts, and discover -- a click away -- exactly what Islam is all about.
Would the Muslimah quoted stand in front of a Muslim crowd -- as a poster above suggests -- in a land where Muslims dominate, and make, with a a slight rewording, what is after all the exact same meaning, and stoutly maintain -- in Iran, in Sudan, in Saudi Arabia, in Pakistan, in Egypt -- before Muslim audiences that
"Being a Christian or a Jewish person is just like being a Muslim. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
at July 6, 2008 11:47 AM
In 1938, Caucasion Germans in Germany, went about their daily lives, laughing, watching their children grow, enjoying coffee, going to the theater to watch stage shows. Just like American Caucasions. But an evil took over their Nation, a minority of evil men, that gave reason to the rest of the masses to go along with their ideology. Save for a very few who resisted, and hid in silence. But the majority either joined outright, or just went along. As which is what is happening with Muslims Worldwide. They don't unite to fight the extremist, but instead, look the other way and/or assist in the Islamo-fascist war against everything Western, Caucasion, Jew, Christian. We have never heard of a single outpouring of 'American Muslims' protesting against or turning over Islamo-fascist murderers or the war of terror they wage against us. Their silence and inactions makes them just as complicent as the terrorist themselves. You're either an American, or you're not! Americans...true Americans, despite color, creed, religion, have stood shoulder to shoulder in wars waged against this Nation and it's People. All wars except this war. The consequences of the outcome will be the same as our Revolutionary War as it seems the percentages of fighters, traitors, and the 'univolved' seem to mirror America in 1774.
Posted by: bpsitrep at July 6, 2008 11:48 AM
The Muslims who "are just like us" have so much in common with Nazis that they were great allies of Hitler during WW II. There is nothing good to be said about the Nazis and likewise for Muslims.
There are those people, I guess, that would say that the Nazis had some good ideas regarding their socialistic programs but they just went too far. These same people may very well be the ones that say that Muslims "are just like us".
Posted by: Spot on at July 6, 2008 11:57 AM
I keep hearing that the Muslims say that we Non-Muslims misunderstand their religion. The question I would pose to someone who says that we misunderstand Islam is this: "Why do you say we misunderstand Islam." The reply should be revealing. When they come out with the "love" and the "peace" that they find in the religion, then confront them with another question: Doesn't Islam teach you to fight and kill unbelievers?
And they may respond with the tactic that the Bible also teaches the same thing. But the rebutt to that is: Where do we have Christians conducting violence and killing in the name of Jesus and calling to God while doing it? I do not happen to hear of or see any case of such in the news. But I see the violence and the killing by the followers of Islam killing others and calling to God in their act of committing murders. So, am I misunderstanding your religion? Or is this violence really part of your religion? Show me where the misunderstanding is.
at July 6, 2008 11:57 AM
Last night my fiance and I drove out to the beach for a late afternoon picnic, and to watch the sunset. As I walked to the pay station to deposit quarters the first person I saw was a woman wearing a hijab and what I can only describe as a brown tent covering her entire body. Only her face and hands were visible.
Once out on the beach I went straight for the water. After a few minutes I noticed the tent-clad woman with her family: husband and three young children. All the other members of the family were wearing normal beach attire.
I stared in disbelief as this woman brought her children down to the water's edge and went right into the water with them while still wearing hijab and brown tent.
In all seriousness, I felt OFFENDED. Here I am in my home country and state, being forced to watch a woman being visibly oppressed right there in front of everyone. I also felt sorry for her.
The hijab does not bother me. It is a scarf. As long as it does not obscure the woman's face, I am fine with it as long as it is the woman's choice to wear it.
But the brown tent-like body covering is offensive, or should be, to any free person--certainly to any American.
I know, there are those who would argue that as long as the woman is not being forced to wear it, who cares? Actually, that's the way I used to look at it. But after actually seeing it up close, I've changed my mind.
What would her husband's reaction have been had she taken it off? I'll bet she'd be in big trouble.
But let's suppose her husband would actually prefer that she NOT wear it--that she's wearing a tent because she WANTS to. What does that say about her? What does that teach her children? Mom wears a tent because she doesn't want men to see her body. Does she not want ME to see her? Does she think I will cause her harm if I see her?
How is mom ever going to fit in and have a social life and participate in a free and open society while wearing a tent? Anyone knows that it is important to dress appropriately for the occasion or one is seen as socially inept at best. My mom never found it appropriate to have a brown tent in her wardrobe, so I figure it is not a good thing to wear if you want to be accepted as normal.
When the tent-clad woman came out of the water she stood on the beach for a few minutes while the rest of the family helped gather their belongings and head for the car. Mom must have been really uncomfortable standing there with a heavy, sandy, soaking wet tent on her body.
What did she do when she got to the car? Did she get in soaking wet? Does she carry a spare tent?
I snapped a few photos and thought about sending them in, but then decided against it.
This seriously detracted from my enjoyment of the beach. I felt like someone was poking a stick in my eye.
Posted by: cumulusnine at July 6, 2008 12:09 PM
Just like us:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/01/02/caliph-wanted_print.htm
Just like us:
http://www.al-ghoul.com/images/wtc_jumper.jpg
Just like us:
http://culturelegenocide.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/british-muslim-protest4.jpg
Just like us:
http://www.wnd.com/images2/anti-israel3.jpg
just like us: (Their own separate banks)
http://www.alexquinn.org/japan/photos/medium/2004-12-29-173836--DSCN1538.JPG
Just like us: Haha
http://www.anvari.org/fun/World_Trade_Center/Afghan_WC_Signs.html
at July 6, 2008 12:13 PM
"Just like us?" Nope. Not even close. Here's one very important difference between devout Muslims on the one hand and all others: A devout Muslim must want to replace the Constitution of the United States with Sharia. If a Muslim doesn't want to do this, that person is not a good Muslim. Virtually no non-Muslim, whether Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, agnostic, atheist, etc., wants to substitute anything for the Constitution. Therefore, I look upon ALL Muslims in America as potential traitors and, since we're not in a court of law but function daily in the court of common sense, guilty until proven innocent. Just like us my butt.
Posted by: Wellington at July 6, 2008 12:24 PM
"Being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
Liar.
Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers.--5:45
Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
# Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
# Only those Jews and Christians who convert to Islam will be rewarded with heaven. 2:62
If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
"They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
"Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52
Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html
at July 6, 2008 12:31 PM
Just like us? I doubt it.
How many muslims have enjoyed the simple pleasure of a BLT (Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato) sandwich with an icy cold beer on a hot summer day?
How many muslims take their children to see 101 Dalmations at the movie theater?
How many muslims let their daughters go to the high school prom?
Speaking of daughters, how many of us have shot, or strangled our daughters, sisters, or nieces for having been raped?
And gotten off in court because it was "the right thing to do?"
How many of us have hijacked a passenger jet and smashed it into an office building because it was filled with unbelievers?
Posted by: PorkFatRules at July 6, 2008 12:48 PM
"Would the Muslimah quoted stand in front of a Muslim crowd -- as a poster above suggests -- in a land where Muslims dominate, and make, with a a slight rewording, what is after all the exact same meaning, and stoutly maintain -- in Iran, in Sudan, in Saudi Arabia, in Pakistan, in Egypt -- before Muslim audiences that
"Being a Christian or a Jewish person is just like being a Muslim. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
Posted by: Hugh "
..only if she liked the feel of stones pelting her..
Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 6, 2008 12:55 PM
If I may comment on what Norman wrote as a manner of argumentation with Mulims who say that non-Muslims misunderstand the Islam.
I think that the arguments are excellent. I often use them myself. Actaually we hear these discussions on the tv. quite a lot hier in Holland. When you ask them if they hear of any Christians who commit murder in the name of their religion, they would always come up with the Cruasades and recently with the guy who burned up un aportion clinik. Especially athëists and even Christians hier in Europe are fond of equal practices by all religions. I'm sort of nominal Muslim but I really don't respect Westerners who are allways doing their best to find excuses for the terrible practices of Muslims.
P.S: I hope you can read my poor English.
at July 6, 2008 1:31 PM
You have just invented a new sport, called a
"Wet Tent" Contest.
Bad joke.
I feel sorry for her. Driving home in wet clothing must be very uncomfortable, even unhealthy. This is sad.
There is a "new" book published in 2000, on the topic of Muslim feminism. Actually it's a reprint of 2 books first published by an Egyptian named Qasim Amin in 1899.
Title is:
"The Liberation of Women" and "The New Woman"
These 2 books were republished as a single volume by the American University Press, in Cairo.
at July 6, 2008 1:38 PM
Amal.Mamoul: May I respectfully ask you why you remain a Muslim at all? What is there to admire in a religion which was founded by a truly brutal man who also received many convenient revelations from the deity justifying his sexual passions, which is the only religion that requires that war be made upon the unbeliever, whose own religious law mandates at least four male witnesses for a woman to successfully prove a charge of rape and which compares non-believers to human waste? By the way, don't worry too much about your English. It's far, far better than my Dutch.
Posted by: Wellington at July 6, 2008 1:55 PM
Wellington,
Of course you may ask and I'll be happy to answer. I guess you don't really chose a religion. You grow up finding yourself a Muslim. Afterwards, if you are lucky enough to still be able to think independentaly, I mean if they didn't destroy all your capacity for thinking you hope that the fault is made by people's bad practice and not intrinsically in the faith itself. So there was some time when I also would try to persuade others that Muslims practice their faith wrongly. Till I took the time to study the Quran and the Hadith, especially the teachings about women. I really was disappointed. But you konw, leaving the faith publically would mean that I'll have to worry about my security, cut all contacts with my familly in the Middel-East, I may even have to stop going there for vacations. I know this does't seem very heroic but I see also some benefits of being social Muslim. At least I can criticise Islam (which I often do) without being accused of Ilamofobia or racisme.
at July 6, 2008 2:18 PM
Wellington: That's it. Keep the focus constantly on Mohammed and his deeds. I feel we should be absolutely relentless and unbending about this because the whole Islamic house of cards rests on the belief that this man....and that's what he was....was something other than a murderous,lying fiend. Undermine and expose this lie using primary Islamic sources and verses from the Koran and Hadith, as Robert does,and there's nothing left and no moral ground for a Muslim to stand on.
Posted by: johndoe at July 6, 2008 2:23 PM
We're just like anyone else, and I think people have a hard time understanding that," said Sakina Abduss-Salaam, a New Jersey woman who strolled through the convention Saturday wearing a black-and-gold Islamic hijab dress and holding a Starbucks iced coffee.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are currently holding their annual conventions across the nation. The difference between the JWs and Muslims is that the Witnesses actually do look and sound like everyone else.JW's preach throughout the US, they are peaceful and nonviolent and force no one to convert to their faith.The idea of freewill, freedom of choice and live and let live is a concept Muslims often fail to understand.
Posted by: Roxane at July 6, 2008 2:42 PM
I'll have the Koolaid latte please.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 3:08 PM
Islam must be exposed as a despotic political system. It should not be referred to as a religion because this sets up a whole syndrome of associations which are largely positive in the minds of most people. At present most people think Muslims worship the God of the Christians and Jews. Islamic beliefs are akin to Nazi beliefs and this is the connection that needs to be made in the minds of non-Muslims.
Everyone must understand:
Muslims intend to rule non-Muslims;
Muslims are commanded to deceive in order to win;
Muslims intend to destroy all Western culture.
at July 6, 2008 3:09 PM
"It's not about terrorism or hatred. It's about love," she said. "Being a Muslim is just like being a Christian or a Jewish person. We are all called to treat each other with respect."
When it comes to respect, it is a two-way street. Cannot get it if you cannot give it.
BTW, thanks for the converage given to this Muslim convention in the capital of my home state, CT in JW/DW.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 6, 2008 3:17 PM
Not just like us.
I can wear what I want to wear, my religion doesn't dictate clothing.
I can drive a car all by myself.
I can go out without a male relative.
I can work where I choose.
I can go to school if I choose, and the school of my choice.
Last but not least....
I CAN WEAR NOISY SHOES IF I WANT!!!
Posted by: gymgal at July 6, 2008 3:18 PM
Guy Macher,
How true. Allah is not the same God as the God of the Bible or of Jews and Christians.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 6, 2008 3:19 PM
Amal.Mamoul: Thank you for your honest response. I do sympathize. I'm certain there are millions upon millions of nominal Muslims like yourself who knew nothing but the Islamic faith while growing up and what child thinks that what their elders instruct them in is false or terrible? Not many. Then, too, so many people remain nominally in the religion they're brought up in for the social and cultural reasons you alluded to. And for a Muslim like yourself there is the security element as well, something you also mentioned; this is understandable and very human. Of course, as I'm sure you're aware, no other major faith poses a threat to societies at large when it is practiced fervently. Islam is alone here in this dubious category and that must make it all the more painful for folks like yourself to function on a daily basis, especially when one is with family members who are devout.
Nonetheless, the fact remains that the founder of Islam was a very different kind of human being than was Jesus or Buddha or Lao-Tzu or Confucius or Zoroaster or...... And I have read the Koran in its entirety and find it the most disturbing religious work I have ever come across. The Hadith and Sira are no better. And Sharia has spiritual totalitarianism written all over it. In short, it's difficult not to conclude that Islam is bad to the bone and that no other major faith is.
May I ask you something else and it is this: What percentage of your fellow Muslims in Holland, in Western Europe, and even worldwide, do you estimate are like you------nominally religious for specific practical reasons but not really believing many Islamic tenets? And will such Muslims side with non-Muslims who never want the jihadist, radical Islamic agenda imposed on the world or will they bide their time and wait and see who is eventually victorious? Will they, perhaps, even leave Islam entirely? Thank you again for your obvious sincerity and honesty.
Posted by: Wellington at July 6, 2008 3:47 PM
A woman wearing a niqab sat on a bench Saturday at the Connecticut Convention Center in Hartford, the fabric across her face revealing only her eyes.
hmm are we really sure it was a female and not a muslim in drag there have been several case where muslim males (i wont call them men because they are just male and not men)have used the burka and niqab to commit crimes and escape or flee from the law
at July 6, 2008 3:59 PM
"All the other members of the family were wearing normal beach attire."
cumulusnine,
The difference between the men and the women is also obvious in the amusement park. In Disney World men walk around in shorts and short sleeves while their wives are covered from head to toe, in ninety degree weather.
They're hard to ignore. And they wonder why people look at them with suspicion.
at July 6, 2008 4:16 PM
If someone takes the copy (Jewish/Christian) and past stuff out of Kowran, and takes the references to violent Jihad out, only then Muslims may be in line with the rest of the World. I will not hold my breath for that to happen.
There wouldn't be much of Kowran left to read after the major face-lift.
Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at July 6, 2008 4:36 PM
Wellington,thank you for your sympathy and understanding. I only realized how much cruilty is here in de Quran and the Hadith when I started reading about other religions (Christianity and Budhism). Nominal Muslims are those who just go their own way in the West, without much attention for religion. They also refuse to take part in religious discussions because they don't want to atract attention to themselves. The reason that they are silent is that they secretly hope that Islam will be defeated in the West, but they are not ready to do much abou it. I guess these are the people who will take side with Europe and the US if necessary. My estimation is that this may be 5 to 10% of all Muslims. Other nominal Muslims who nevertheles will be willing to defend the Islam if necessary are may be about 30%. That leaves at least 60% of Muslims, who are fundamentalist. This is only my observation.
Posted by: Amal.Mamoul at July 6, 2008 5:14 PM
urbanIIredux
Go back to 4th of July posting (Actually # 1 lead) by Robert Spencer on Jihadwatch...he will give you the first sequential amendments to the US Constitution known as the Bill of Rights contrasted with Islamic Sharia point by point...I've downloaded them and you should do as well given your curiousity..by the way, I'm a not too bright Midwesterner & thanks to Jihadwatch and staff I've learned a whole lot and continue to do so..we love our freedom and freedom is not free..Tx Mr Spencer, Hugh F, Marisol and JW brothers and sisters, Americans All...Wellcome Aboard urbanIIredux and now I'll go back in my corner
Posted by: nodak at July 6, 2008 5:29 PM
"The hijab does not bother me. It is a scarf. As long as it does not obscure the woman's face, I am fine with it as long as it is the woman's choice to wear it."
"They're hard to ignore. And they wonder why people look at them with suspicion."
Well, it bothers me a lot, because that's what it is intended to do, but not for the reasons that Muslims think it does. It does not scare me or move me to tears, it does not make me feel guilty for wearing summer clothes in the summertime. What it does do is provoke me, and it makes me furious whenever I see it. But the effect that becoming furious has on me is to make me think very clearly and the response is that my courage rises to the surface, along with my my resolve, to thwart and undermine them at every turn and promote my culture and practice my beliefs. I see the message that Muslim women are trying to get across to me, that they are here in my country, working to take away my rights and God given privileges, the ones they don't have in their home countries and that they voluntarily give up in mine. But I'm sure they would be shocked to find out that there are a lot of us out here in the trenches, working just as diligently as they are, to destroy and nullify every gain they've made in their stealth endeavors.
As for Islam being about love and respect, Sakina is a liar. Love does not condemn one spouse to wear too many clothes while the other spouse enjoys the freedom to wear a t-shirt and a pair of shorts. Anyone who tells a woman she must be covered in uncomfortable, heat stroke inducing fabric because other men might look at her and lust after her, or if she makes a wrong move she might embarrass him, is a selfish bastard. There is no love involved. If Muslim men really loved their wives they would sacrifice for their beloved and tell the truth about what men do under the rights of Islam and do something to the men who exploit those rights and destroy women in the process. There is nothing sexy about a cowardly man who won't stand up for his woman.
As far as respect goes, I already have respect from people in every area of my life. I certainly am not going to lie like Muslim women do and repeat the Stepford Wife concept that women are protected in Islam and put on a pedestal? Protected how? Women are controlled in Islam; one false move can mean a Koranic sanctioned beating, starving, divorce and loss of children, or even murder. That is not protection, unless we're talking about the kind of "protection" that the Mafia offers. And the concept of that pedestal...standing above everyone where her every move can be watched, notated, analyzed and punished, where she can be kicked off in an instant if hubby doesn't like something she does (remember the Imam in the mid-west a few years back who slammed his wife's head in the freezer because he didn't like what she made for dinner?) is there to protect a Muslim man's fragile ego and nurse is insecurities, not protect any woman.
Unfortunately for Muslim men and women and very fortunately for perceptive westerners, we women understand that we have rights that are precious, and because they are, all the more worthwhile protecting. We understand what is at stake and what will be lost if we don't pay attention and let these liars make headway. I also understand that patient, relentless, continual exposure of their deeds and application of the truth can drive these people crazy, make them slip up and foil their plans. And since my advantage over their women in this fight is substantial I will continue to press it, every chance I get.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at July 6, 2008 6:02 PM
Allah is not the same God as the God of the Bible or of Jews and Christians.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 6, 2008 3:19 PM
Right, no way. Jesus NEVER says "Kill everybody who isn't Christian until the world is all for Me."
No way.
Allah is a pagan deity from pre-Islamic lore. Allah doesn't exist. Like Zeus and Jupiter. They don't exist! Hello!
If they weren't mass-murdering people, and trying to take over the world, it would be humorous to think of those zillion Muslims whacking their heads 5 times a day to something that doesn't exist. Plus pitiful. Humorous and pitiful.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 6:04 PM
It's Klanswear, plain & simple, just a different color. Posted by Infidel Pride.
Your comment made me think of the South Park episode "Pink Eye" where Cartman goes to a Halloween party dressed as Hitler. The principal and Chef have a conniption fit and force Cartman to ditch the Hitler costume and don a ghost outfit that looks exactly like a KKK robe, hood and all.
I might be 61 years old, but I really like South Park, it reminds me of some of the kids I grew up with.
Posted by: Pelayo at July 6, 2008 7:20 PM
"Women are controlled in Islam; one false move can mean a Koranic sanctioned beating, starving, divorce and loss of children, or even murder."
-posted above
It doesn't even take one misstep. The young woman who finds herself unable to have children will be divorced and shunned by all Muslim males. She will have no future in Islamic society.
Posted by: PMK at July 6, 2008 8:35 PM
"It's not about terrorism or hatred. It's about love"
.................................
Here's this Muslimah's message to Americans. Too bad it is rather undercut by this message, from the story posted on JW right before this one:
"I want to tell America jihad will continue, it will never stop"
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Thousands of Pakistani Islamists vowed support for jihad, or Muslim holy war...
The protesters, most of them religious students, shouted "al jihad"...
Posted by: gravenimage at July 6, 2008 8:58 PM
I saw that on WSJ Online today..
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 9:22 PM
Dear Mooooseleeeemaaaahh.. allow me to tell you that you are NOTHING like me!
You have my word on that.
And - unlike you - I've been brought up to keep my word. No matter whom I give it to.
So when I tell you we will never submit to your cult you have my word on that too.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 9:29 PM
Just recently, a Muslim spin-doctor in Australia wrote a book called 'People Like Us'.
If you have a *very* strong stomach for sugar-coated spin, follow this link to read all about it...
Note, by the way, that Mr Aly's daughter is named Aisha...it really gets me, how many Muslims name their daughters after that poor little girl who was married off at six to a man who combined the character traits of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Blackbeard the Pirate, and was forced to endure his conjugal attentions, when she attained the ripe old age of nine. (Funny, how she never bore him any children).
I don't intend to waste good money buying Mr Aly's screed, which is probably sneaky taqiyya and kitman from front to back, (I have just spent a considerable sum buying TWO copies of Andrew Bostom's latest) but I guess I had better see if the library has it, and wade through it, taking notes.
And as I do, I will remember this passage from Dr Mark Durie's witness statement in the trial, a few years back, of two Christian pastors for alleged hate speech [in fact, truth-telling] about the dark side of Islam:
"One reference on this subject [al-taqiyya, dissimulation] is the (Sunni) Shafi’i shari’ah manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, Reliance of the Traveller:
"In sections r.8.1 ‘LYING’, r8.2 ‘PERMISSIBLE LYING’, r9 ‘EXAGGERATION’and r10 ‘GIVING A MISLEADING IMPRESSION’.
"This manual states ‘… lying is sometimes permissible for a given interest, scholars having established criteria defining what types of it are lawful.”
"The manual quotes the eminent Islamic scholar Abu Hamid Ghazali as follows (r8.2):
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is
permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory.”
“When the purpose is war, settling a disagreement, or gaining the sympathy of a victim legally entitled to retaliate against one so that he will forbear to do to, it is not unlawful to lie when any of these aims can only be attained through lying.
"But it is religiously more precautionary (def: c6.5) in all such cases to employ words that give a misleading impression, meaning to intend by one’s words something that is literally true, in respect to which one is not lying … ”
“One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie… ”
And this useful piece of information, recently posted at this site by Mr Raymond Ibrahim:
"the very first lines of one of the few Arabic books wholly dedicated to treating the doctrine of taqiyya, called al-Taqiyya fi al-Islam (“Taqiyya in Islam”), by Islamic studies professor Sami Makarem, unequivocally states in its opening page:
'Taqiyya [dissimulation, evasion] is of fundamental importance in Islam. Nearly every Islamic sect has agreed to it and practices it….Indeed, we can go so far as to say that mainstream Islam practices taqiyya, and that those few sects that do not practice it are aberrant, diverging from the mainstream"'. (p.7)
I wonder whether Mr Waleed Aly has read "Al-Taqiyya fi Al-Islam", by 'Islamic Studies Professor', Sami Makarem? He ought to have, since he himself teaches Islamic Studies at a major Australian University.
I wonder what would happen if an Australian reporter were to be so crass as to ask him about it?
And, to come right back to the posted article, I wonder what would happen if someone were to mention Professor Sami Makarem's little book, to Muhammad Rahman, of the Islamic Circle of North America?
at July 6, 2008 9:31 PM
Oh, one more thing, moooseleeemaaaah-babe..
Tell it to the Jews your mahomet killed in Mecca! tell it to the victims of 9/11!
Tell it to the Serbs!
Tell it to the victims of 7/7 and Madrid!
Better yet: TELL IT TO THE MARINES!
at July 6, 2008 9:33 PM
What about wala wal bara?
http://islamworld.net/docs/wala.html
http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/islamicways/id15.html
Moslems are to unite among themselves and show enmity to non-moslems.
at July 6, 2008 9:43 PM
Hugh:There are dozens of others, but of course this should all be mentioned in the context of Muslim-worship of Muhamamd as "the Perfect Man" -- al-insan al-kamil -- the model for all Muslims, forever, about everything
It's Muhammad worship alright. That's why calling them Mohammedans is so accurate and pisses them off. They will complain to the end of time they don't worship Muhammad
But to me Islam is a cult of personality. Allah is so transcendent and unknowable he is consigned to the sidelines like in a football game. Real action is on the field w Muhammad.
Posted by: dennisw at July 6, 2008 10:44 PM
It's Muhammad worship alright. That's why calling them Mohammedans is so accurate and pisses them off. --dennis w
Oh yes. There is no "Allah." Mohammed wrote the fraudulent Koran just as L Ron Hubbard wrote fraudulent Scientology. So, of course it's Muhammed the Warlord they worship, but for some reason they're too dumb or too brainwashed to figure that out. Except ex-Muslims, of course. And the rest of the world must suffer as a result.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 11:46 PM
I've read 'People Like Us' and it is smooth, verbose, overwritten, clever and false. It never comes to grip with the real reasons for Islam's conflict with the other four fifths of humanity, but fudges and confuses. Waleed also made a blue on Salaam Cafe when he said in reply to an issue that was being discussed "We have all the oil" WHere is that oil field in Melbourne exactly?
Posted by: jewcat at July 7, 2008 12:54 AM
I always understood that the female covering was born out of necessity-- that mohammed being an old man was just not the sexual athlete the koran/hadiths would have you believe and the covering was invented by him to keep his young officers from viewing, lusting after and seducing his wives when he was away from home
at July 7, 2008 3:46 AM
Mohammed is dead.
Given that a woman can't leave the home except in the company of a male relative, what does the husband have to fear about seduction? He's right beside her. No one can look at his wife as she passes by?
Posted by: PMK at July 7, 2008 12:22 PM
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