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As I noted here, Obama has been going to some lengths to make sure nobody thinks he's a Muslim. Nor has he been making any particular effort to add, "Not that there's anything wrong with that." This is an example of Obama's canny political calculation and tacit awareness that people are suspicious of the violent and supremacist elements of Islam, but the Perpetually Angry are angry again, and soon he may have to issue an unequivocal Islam Is A Religion Of Peace declaration.
"Obama website riles Muslims," by Beth Reinhard for the Miami Herald, July 6 (thanks to Twostellas):
Vanessa Alikhan was at a Democratic ''unity party'' when she overheard another guest indignantly refute the rumor that Barack Obama is Muslim, as if it was a racial slur. She later recounted the conversation to a friend.
A racial slur? A slur, sure -- his website denying it is called Fight The Smears. But a racial slur? What race is Islam again?
''She told me that this is politics and that I should just deal with it,'' said Alikhan, a Fort Lauderdale graphic artist who converted to Islam about five years ago. ``To me this is the same as telling an African American or a Jewish person they should deal with discrimination because people aren't ready to embrace them as a group.''She and other American Muslims are speaking out, as the Obama campaign pushes back on widely e-mailed and patently false claims that he is tied to Islamic terrorists. The rumor could be particularly damaging in a must-win state like Florida, which has a large Jewish population.
Determined not to be ''swift-boated'' the way 2004 nominee John Kerry was buried by attacks on his military record, the Obama campaign has set up the website www.fightthesmears.com. While Muslim leaders understand the campaign's responsibility to counter misinformation, they say the classification of being Muslim as a ''smear'' goes too far.
Their outrage peaked when the Obama campaign asked two women wearing head scarves to move away from the candidate -- and the television cameras -- at a rally last month in Detroit. Obama personally apologized to the women, but the incident reflected the difficulties of balancing hard-nosed political calculations with the campaign's overall message of change and unity.
''The truth is Obama has both set the record straight about his religious upbringing, background and faith -- and spoken out against efforts to marginalize Muslims,'' said Obama campaign spokesman Josh Earnest.
`I'M NOT A MUSLIM'
He pointed to Obama's interview with CBS' 60 Minutes, in which he said, ``I have never been a Muslim. I'm not a Muslim. These e-mails are obviously not just offensive to me, somebody who is a devout Christian, who's been going to the same church for the last 20 years, but it's also offensive to Muslims, because it plays into, obviously, a certain fear-mongering there.''
But some Muslim leaders said Obama needs to do more to make it clear that he welcomes their support in his campaign. Though he's spoken at many churches and synagogues -- including a conservative congregation in Boca Raton -- he has never visited a mosque, said Altaf Ali, executive director of the South Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. There are between 200,000 and 400,000 Muslims in Florida and about seven million nationwide.
It would be refreshing if Obama said something like this: "I won't visit a mosque in the company of anyone affiliated with the unindicted co-conspirators of the Council on American Islamic Relations, and I won't visit any mosque at all unless and until Muslims in America definitively renounce, in deed as well as word, the jihad ideology and Islamic supremacism."
But I won't be holding my breath. Still, I doubt Obama will visit a mosque before the election. He is too good a politician.
The Muslim community saw little outreach from presidential candidates until 2000, when Republican George Bush successfully enlisted Muslim donors and included mosques in his proposal for government partnering with religious institutions. But since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, many American Muslims say they are treated with suspicion.''Since 9/11, our community has been portrayed as inherently evil, and what Obama is doing is adding to the negative stereotype,'' Ali said. ``His message is about change, and he has to appeal to every minority group.''
That's a tall order for the first African-American presidential nominee as he tries to broaden his appeal for the general election. Ali said that Obama, who spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, is uniquely suited ``to be a bridge between America and the Muslim world.''
I predicted well over a year ago that people would be saying this about Obama.
Saif Ishoof, president of the Center for Voter Advocacy, a nonpartisan group that educates Muslims about the political process, said Republican John McCain also needs to show more sensitivity.Ishoof, a lifelong Republican, said he bristles when McCain consistently refers to ``Islamic terrorists.''
''By using that phraseology, he is giving credence to a world view that 99 percent of Muslims do not consider their own,'' said Ishoof, an attorney who runs a Miami engineering firm....
Here we go again. As I have pointed out many, many times, basic grammar indicates that referring to "Islamic terrorists" says nothing at all about Muslims as a whole. Ishoof and his ilk are just trying to make sure no one notices the primary motivations and goals of the Islamic jihadists. Now, why is that?
Posted by Robert at July 6, 2008 12:54 PM
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"Ishoof and his ilk are just trying to make sure no one notices the primary motivations and goals of the Islamic jihadists. Now, why is that?" --RS
So they can keep on doing their Creeping World Domination thing without us noticing.
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at July 6, 2008 1:18 PM
But I won't be holding my breath. Still, I doubt Obama will visit a mosque before the election. He is too good a politician.
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What about AFTER the election? That's what really concerns me.
at July 6, 2008 1:34 PM
The Islamists want to continue their mandate of "War is deception". The Koran is an actual war manual with tactics of fighting the infidels, plans and suggestions of propaganda to mislead infidels on the true nature of Islam.
Posted by: savsiv at July 6, 2008 1:38 PM
It isn't possible to put an end to this sort of dissimulation. Not only is it commanded by Islam itself; it's also the tactic of choice for anyone who does subscribe to that brutal ideology. They who act on Islam's express commands to subjugate the infidel are obviously truer to its teachings than they who refrain from such action. Therefore, the latter group must dissimulate toward the "kuffar," for it would be mortally dangerous to disavow the commands of God before those who who consider it an act of heresy.
If the Muslim fraction of this nation should reach 5%, the dissimulation will end...to be replaced by overt militancy: Islam uber alles. We don't have long before this is upon us.
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at July 6, 2008 1:47 PM
What will Bandar and Abdullah do without a Saudi kisser in the White House? We will know when the new Prez starts kissing terrorists and praying in mosques...Will a Saudi Royal(?) let Obama kiss him?
Stay tuned we may find out...
at July 6, 2008 1:47 PM
If x is the number of Muslims in the U.S., and y is the number of non-Muslims who see a connection between Islam and violent anti-American actions, then y is greater than x. In fact y is much greater than x, and is growing daily, thanks to JW/DW.
Obama has more to gain by distancing himself from Muslims than by aligning with them. Who are the Muslims going to vote for instead, John McCain?
Obama is not a Muslim; if he ever was one by whatever definition, he left the faith decades ago. But with his familial connections, he will not be the person who will be able to identify the threat facing us, or the steps needed to begin to face it. Neither will John McCain. We will be waiting another 4 years, at least, and the clock is ticking. I hope that ticking sound is just a clock.
Posted by: special_guest at July 6, 2008 1:55 PM
do you know who the two Muslims who were moved out of camera range at the that now infamous Obama ralley were?
Hebba Aref and Shimaa Abdelfadeel
"Now, I've come to learn that one of the hijab-encrusted, rejected whiners, Hebba Aref, was an official of the Muslim Students Association (MSA), in charge of proselytizing. The Chicago Tribune identified the MSA as part of the American manifestation of the Sunni terrorist group, Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimeen--The Muslim Brotherhood. Aref served on the executive board of the University of Michigan-Dearborn's MSA, which demanded and obtained tax-funded Muslim foot bats at that university, a story I broke on this site last year. Two Muslim then-students at U-M Dearborn, Lola Elzein and Mohammed Fouad Abdallah, sent me violent rape and death threats.
Hebba Aref, Obama WhinerWas Chief Islamic Proselytizer for Terrorist Front-Group(University of Michigan-Dearborn Artwork by David Lunde/Lundesigns)And Aref was not just any officer of the U-M Dearborn Muslim group. She was in charge of Dawa, or proselytizing, from 2000 to 2003 at the school. Yup, she was the chief "Conversion to Islam" officer at one of the most pan-Islamist college campuses in the country.
Shimaa Abdelfadeel's Group Hosted Islamic Jihad Chief Sami Al-ArianAnd Shimaa Abdelfadeel, the other woman allegedly excluded by the Obama campaign, was chair of SAFE, a University of Michigan-Ann Arbor group that hosted the 2002 Divestment Conference against Israel at which "Annihilate the Jews!" was chanted and Islamic Jihad founder Sami Al-Arian was keynote speaker. She's the author of vehement anti-Israel vitriol and propaganda"
I just thought you should know.
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at July 6, 2008 1:59 PM
Could Obama find a Muslim leader that has never said anthing anti-semetic or anti-american. He has never found a Christian leader that pases that test.
Posted by: Ruebacca at July 6, 2008 2:25 PM
Maybe if we can offend them enough they'll all just up and leave..?
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 2:28 PM
Putting on my worst Naseem imitation:
Peoples
You really need to get over your hang-ups over Obama. Just look at his track record of everyone he's thrown under the bus - his pastor, his terror friends, NOI associates, Pali supporters and even his grandma (granted, she was later pulled back out) - what makes you think Islam will be any different? With him, you at least have the possibility of Islam being jettisoned into the armpit crevices once it turns out to be politically expedient: when was the last time you saw that with Bush, and do you even expect this to happen with McCain? Your attacks on him would make more sense if he was running against Tancredo, or even Romney. But Jihad McCain, who has the identical stand as him when it comes to giving Jihadis the right to be tried within the US?
Besides, how can you not love his categorizing characterizations of him as a Mohammedan as a smear (as in 'Fight the smears')? You think McCain or Bush would do that? Look at all the Mohammedans that he's pissing off - you don't think he risks sticking his neck out by doing that (remember - it's Mohammedans we are discussing here!!!!) - don't you think it takes balls to ask the hijabettes in his photo op to take a hike? Again, contrast that with Laura Bush in a black klanswear of her own.
Peoples, you need to convert. Obama is the messiah who will rescue us from Islam - after all, you think that given an opportunity of being a new prophet, he'll pass that opportunity just to ass-kiss those who want to retain that role for Mohammed? You know that the only person whose interests he has in mind is his own - therefore, he is the one who's most likely to take an aggressive anti-Islamic stance, since not only would it bring him the most dividends - not doing it would cost him dearly with centrist voters he's trying to win over.
It's counter-intuitive, I know, but believe me, he's the best bet to take on the ummah.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 6, 2008 2:32 PM
The Obama campaign's internal polling must show that Muslims are "radioactive" which is why he will do anything and everything to distance himself from them.South Dakota is an important indicator. A 527 group ran a campaign commercial there with excerpts from an Obama 2006 speech in which he proclaimed the United States which is 80% Christian "no longer a Christian nation". They included a portion from that same speech in which Obama proclaimed the United States which is less then 1% Muslim a "Muslim nation".Obama had been leading in South Dakota. On election day polls showed him tied with Hilary Clinton.Despite the best efforts of the MSM to suppress Hilary's vote by broadcasting all day that Obama had locked up the nomination. Hilary went on to win South Dakota by 12 points.The Obama campaign used that "Muslim" commercial as one excuse as to why they chose not to take federal money for their campaign.
Posted by: Roxane at July 6, 2008 2:32 PM
Pulsar182, thank youy so much for the info re. the two islamofascists who were re-seated by the "H" [ Eytch, as in Dubya. Because what's good for the Dubya W is good for the Eytch H ] campaign.
I took the liberty of posting the info on the Monica Crowley website because there are the occasional apologists for islam creeping in among all the "H" supporters.
I hope these women keep belly-aching so that more Americans become aware of their affiliations.
The question should be asked why were they even NEAR the "H" campaign?
Oh, I forgot he also is going to speak at "La Raza".
Any real American who votes for Heytch is a self-hating moron!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 2:56 PM
Ummah Gummah: "Any real American who votes for Heytch is a self-hating moron!"
Then just about half of the United States, including most of its blacks, apparently hates its own guts with a vengeance.
Personally, as an African-American, I do not like Barrack Obama. The man just sounds like one political PR spin after another; he comes off to me as totally fake. "Change," my hindquarters.
However, my dislike of Obama pales in comparison to my utter loathing of violence committed in the name of the barbarian moon-god and his pervert "prophet". Back to the 7th Century with your hateful ideology!
Posted by: Narrator 1 at July 6, 2008 3:15 PM
Post to JW 6 Jul 08
On 26th June Roger Cohen wrote a piece about how Obama should visit a Mosque. See it here: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/25/opinion/edcohen.php
Overall, it’s pretty apologist in tone, and ought to be challenged. Re the Obama mosque-visit idea, Cohen said:
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[...] Obama should visit a mosque. He has repeatedly shown his courage during this campaign; Americans have responded to his intellectual honesty. One of the important things about him is the knowledge his Kenyan and Indonesian experiences have given him of Islam as lived, rather than Islam as turned into monstrous specter.
This enables him to break the monolithic, alienating view of a great world religion that is as multifaceted as Judaism or Christianity.
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I wrote in response, on 26th June, inter alia:
[...]
As for Obama visiting a Mosque. What good would that do? He would surely be given a cleanly sanitised version of Islam: eg, of its Five Pillars (harmless), of its being a “religion of peace” (whereas Islam means “submission”) and so forth. He would not see the in-Mosque preaching of the Jihad against the west, against pluralism, against democracy, against the rights of women, on need for hatred of the infidel and of Jews in particular; all of which preaching is widespread in US Mosques and which has been well-documented by Arabic speaking Americans who have visited Mosques in the US.
You say that “fear mongering about Islam… thrives on ignorance”. My own comments [my other comments in earlier section, not included here..] you may construe as fear-mongering, but I believe they are merely a statement of the present threat of Islam to very values of the post-enlightenment west. And I do not accept that they stem from my ignorance, as I have read and continue to read widely and eclectically on Islam.
Perhaps Obama is just too wise to visit a Mosque. Because then he would have either to buy into the myth of “the religion of peace” line, or say it like it is, which may just be politically unrealistic.
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at July 6, 2008 3:32 PM
That's ridiculous. "muslim" is not a racial slur. It's the new "nazi," as it should be. and Jihad is the new "Crusade", The keffiyeh is the new jackboot, the Islamic crescent is the new swastika, the Muslim-style beard is the new skinhead, "Allah Akbar" is the new "Sieg Heil," etc. Anyone think of any else?
http://www.bravenewsworld.blogspot.com
at July 6, 2008 3:38 PM
It's counter-intuitive, I know, but believe me, he's the best bet to take on the ummah.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
There's also a precedent - Nixon going to China.
The only flaw is that Obama has no record opposing Islamic terrorism. Obama is the go along to get along type. He's said nothing substantive, while Nixon was a devout anti-Communist. No one worried that Nixon would cave.
at July 6, 2008 3:45 PM
"he has never visited a mosque, said Altaf Ali, executive director of the South Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations"
why should he do anything the muslim brotherhood and their north American arm cair wants?"But since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, many American Muslims say they are treated with suspicion.
''Since 9/11, our community has been portrayed as inherently evil", and well it should be since the silent majority om muslims in the west do not speace out and fight against the loud vocal violent minority in their cult, as w shakespear said methinks they (he)doth protest to much ie cair and,and american muslims
Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at July 6, 2008 3:47 PM
"These e-mails are obviously not just offensive to me, somebody who is a devout Christian, who's been going to the same church for the last 20 years, but it's also offensive to Muslims, because it plays into, obviously, a certain fear-mongering there."
-BHO
So be offended. It's your right. Just so you don't forget that freedom of speech brings with it the possibility that you might be offended. If you are going to have vapors when someone offends you then you are living in the wrong country.
In case they never taught this lesson in civics class, no one can guarantee that you will not be offended. It's the price you pay for living in a free society. Get used to it.
You have every right to be offended. You have no right to restrict the speech of others to guard against YOUR being offended.
But since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, many American Muslims say they are treated with suspicion.
Ever ask yourselves why? In any case, being treated with suspicion is a far cry from being arrested or killed, which is what I would face in a Muslim country.
Posted by: PMK at July 6, 2008 3:58 PM
Ummah Gummah: "Any real American who votes for Heytch is a self-hating moron!"
Then just about half of the United States, including most of its blacks, apparently hates its own guts with a vengeance.
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Yes, I am afraid that is so. Those are the folks who worry: "Why do they hate us" when I'd rather say let's let THEM worry about not giving US too much reason to be too annoyed with them!
There is some good justification for a lot of blacks to want to vote for this guy - even if such a vote is against their ultimate long-term interests.
They finally want to see a black President. I can't blame them for that sentiment. But that isn't my own personal interest. My one main concern is containment and rollback of islam world-wide.
So if there is a black tough-guy candidate who doesn't have all sorts of terrorist [Bill Ayers, and Ms Dohrn] associations and the Rev. Wright and FarraKKKan [from a white perspective] in his closet I'd be VERY HAPPY to vote for that person.
Containment and rollback. I don;t even care about the economy or the price of gas because those things are often used to advance the agenda of islam.
I want ZERO tolerance of anything that seeks to subvert the Constitutions, the Laws and the customs of all our lovely Western countries.
That included Japan and others in East Asia of course. I am all about helping those who want to live FREE of islam - including militarily.
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Personally, as an African-American, I do not like Barrack Obama. The man just sounds like one political PR spin after another; he comes off to me as totally fake. "Change," my hindquarters.
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And "hope" my foot! I use the "change" line when panhandlers come my way. I tell them to "vote for Obama, he'll give you change"
-o-
However, my dislike of Obama pales in comparison to my utter loathing of violence committed in the name of the barbarian moon-god and his pervert "prophet". Back to the 7th Century with your hateful ideology!
Posted by: Narrator 1
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I didn't dislike the man at all when I first saw him at the convention in 2004. But now I realize he is pulling a fast one. A complete LIAR without a conscience of any kind.. obsessed with becoming the "first black President" at all cost.
By any means necessary.
Look how he treated his own granny who raised him.
And WHY were these radical moslem women even allowed NEAR his campaign? Who let them in?
The people workign for "H" seem a bunch of islam-friendly Jew-haters.
Then what about "H" meeting with Hamas just recently!
There is so much more but I think I made my point.
I'd say that a vote for "H" is ultimately a vote for Hamas. So if you think Hamas likes you and has your best interests at heart then vote "H".
Obama needs to call Tony Rezko and GET A BIGGER CLOSET!!
he's running out of room.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 4:24 PM
Oh, and he has all the old Jimmy Carter retreads on his staff.. which is pretty bad news..
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 4:29 PM
What I would really like from Obama is some evidence of real understanding of Islam. Instead, he just seems to be concerned with his image as it relates to Islam and how that will impact on his campaign.
I'm left to conclude that Obama is just as clueless as the next person out there, if not more so.
Given a choice between a Muslim candidate who can speak with authority about the negative aspects of Islam in a coherent and honest way, and a non-Muslim who is basically a narcissist with a superficial gloss, I'd pick the Muslim.
at July 6, 2008 5:13 PM
You have no idea, Robert, how much mileage I get out of that "What race is Islam again?" line.
And you should see the stupid looks I get in response. It's obvious that the notion simply has never dawned on them before. Those who aren't rendered entirely speechless start mumbling and stumbling and bumbling.
(Of course, when I write the question out, as I've also had occasion to do, I always tip the hat to the one and only RS).
Regards,
HAID
Posted by: Haid Dasalami at July 6, 2008 5:19 PM
Obama is black? I read where he is really caucasion/arab, with only about six percent black.
The US gov apparently recognizes a 'Negro' (thier terminology) at 12% If this is incorrect, please correct me...
at July 6, 2008 5:28 PM
So they can keep on doing their Creeping World Domination thing without us noticing.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 1:18 PM
Actually, I think the Creep has broken into a Canter.
We really need to start doing something about it before the Gallop starts.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 5:36 PM
I don't think we are going to address this on Jihadwatch but the real concern here is not so much the fundamental influences of Islamic ideology.
The fact is that Barack Obama has emersed himself in "Black Liberation Theology" for the past twenty years which is at the cornertone of Reverand Jermiah Wrights Sermons.
One really needs to look carefully at this theology to get a glimpse at how Obama my function as our President.
Posted by: Mackie at July 6, 2008 5:43 PM
'One really needs to look carefully at this theology to get a glimpse at how Obama my function as our President.
Posted by: Mackie'
look no further than Al SHarptons or Jessie Jacksons records on solving problems.
Posted by: pulsar182 at July 6, 2008 6:00 PM
Muslim, shmuslin, I will not vote for him no matter what he is, was, or now claims to be.
Race and ethnicity mean nothing to me. His blatant pandering is obvious after his statements concerning the Heller Decision compared to his past record on gun control. I even bet he cheats at solitaire.
Pandering is a sly form of lying.
Posted by: Pelayo at July 6, 2008 6:54 PM
Duh_swami, his "Fight The Smears" website has a link to a very bad image of his birth certificate. It appears to indicate that he is caucasian. Is this a bad image for a purpose?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
Posted by: Pelayo at July 6, 2008 7:05 PM
Can anyone explain to me why Muslims are supporting Obama in the first place, seeing as how his views on abortion and homosexuality fly completely in the face of Islamic teaching? As devout and virtuous as Muslims seem to want people to think they are you would think they would be aligned with the Republican conservative party as are most serious Christians.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at July 6, 2008 7:06 PM
"I want ZERO tolerance of anything that seeks to subvert the Constitutions, the Laws and the customs of all our lovely Western countries."
When any president wins he must take the oath of office, that oath is sworn by the candidate to uphold the constitution of the United States.
Which is why I will not be voting for Senator John McCain for president.
You see we have some history here, because years ago McCain swore an oath to love honor and cherish his wife til death do them part. McCain broke that oath, divorcing the wife of his youth and marrying a younger model.
I cannot trust anything McCain says because he has already broken a public oath. Obama has not had any rumblings of such faithlessness in his life so as far as this fundamentalist Christian is concerned Obama would be better for president than the oath breaker John McCain.
Posted by: stickman at July 6, 2008 7:07 PM
" We will know when the new Prez starts kissing terrorists and praying in mosques..."
Do you mean like George W. Bush has been doing???
Posted by: Madame Vengier at July 6, 2008 7:08 PM
Re: "stickman's" post. Oh, please, get a grip.
Reagan got divorced, too, and so do millions of people worldwide. The Clinton's aren't divorced, but Bill has cheated on Hillary numerous times. But, I guess that's OK with you as long as they're officially married.
What an idiotic criterion on who to vote for. Idiotic.
Go McCain.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 7:21 PM
It's amazing how much mileage Obama is getting on image, as an exotic person who can be accepted, and how wonderful that makes people feel. But should the office of the presidency be a vehicle for touchy-feely therapeutics? Shouldn't people focus, as Martin Luther King once put it, on the content of Obama's character, rather than on the color of his skin?
So far, there seems to be a lot more form than content in his campaign. I'd like to hear something more insightful than the dubious benefits of tete-a-tetes with Ahmedinejad.
at July 6, 2008 7:49 PM
Since when are muslims NOT pissed off at us in the West?
Posted by: PorkFatRules at July 6, 2008 8:02 PM
Obama is nothing more than another socialist as far as I am concerned; he might as well be white as the driven snow and answer to the name "stalin."
His skin color is meaningless to me but what I am concerned with is this:
JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama employed and continues to employ senior staffers who belong to the Nation of Islam, and the presidential candidate has some "worrying" ties to the controversial group headed by Louis Farrakhan, a former key Obama insider told WND.
The former insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity, expressed particular concern that Obama employed at least two Nation members in his early days as a state senator, when his office was staffed by only a handful of workers.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66167
Is this true or not?
questioned Obama about a recent headline in his hometown paper, The Chicago Tribune, that said "Louis Farrakhan Backs Obama for President at Nation of Islam Convention in Chicago." When asked if he accepted Farrakhan's support, Obama said he had been "very clear" in his "denunciation of Minister Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments" and called such comments "unacceptable and reprehensible."http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/02/obama-renounces-farrakhan-000244.php
Okay, so which is it? Is BO getting support from the NOI or not?
In any case, I will be surprised if BO doesn't begin with a crescendo of "the religion of peace" and he joins the PC/Multiculturalist choir.
Posted by: witness at July 6, 2008 8:12 PM
Pelayo...Yes, I saw that certificate before, no state seal etc. Looks like a fake. Probably is a fake. I really don't care if he is black or what, but what I do care about is his song and dance routine. At first I did not take him seriously, but when breath holding, purple lipped, blue hued liberals, started swooning, at his very presence, I started paying attention. He has a lot of negative baggage, too much of it. I would not vote for him either. How well do you think he will do dealing with world tough guys like Putin? I think the idea of Obama as US prez, probably makes Putin smile...
If not laugh out loud...
at July 6, 2008 8:14 PM
Obama is black? I read where he is really caucasion/arab, with only about six percent black.
The US gov apparently recognizes a 'Negro' (thier terminology) at 12% If this is incorrect, please correct me...
Posted by: duh_swami
Obama is, at most, fifty percent black. Kenya's demographics suggest he probably is. Muslims make up ten percent of the population while Arabs, Asians and Europeans combined comprise just one percent.
Christian denominations are seventy percent of Kenya's population. Kenya has the largest body of Quakers in a single nation.
Posted by: PMK at July 6, 2008 8:21 PM
Stickman what kind of judges do you prefer for the Supreme court? you just had a slim ruling for keeping guns, dont you think Obama would put in the worst judges, you would lose your freedoms overnight with his selection. you could not speak freely about islam before being sent to court to making these islamists feel bad about their religion. just something to ponder.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 6, 2008 8:51 PM
Darcy. I know that people break vows all the time. In spite of your assertion that it is "idiotic" to vote for someone based on their past record, what else do we have to go on? We cannot read peoples minds, we are not privy to the circles that these elites travel in.
I know President Reagan also was a divorced person, from what I have heard he did not initiate the divorce.
I will repeat it here, why should I trust that McCain will keep a vow to the american people that he broke with his wife?
Trust and keeping ones word is important no matter what the faithless and UNtrustworthy might say.
Some people are concerned that Senator Obama might be a secret Muslim practicing taqiya, but until there is something more than evil minded suspicions he still wins in the record of keeping the faith derby.
Like I said McCain has a record, he stood up and swore an oath in front of the world that he would love honor and cherish his wife til death would part them and then he broke that oath.
With that record nothing that he says leaving that oath breaking UNaddressed can convince me that he would somehow honor this oath though he lightly esteemed the oath he made to the woman that waited for him while he was at war.
I do not think that somehow McCain would be more trustworthy with me than he was with his wife, that to me would be idiotic.
Posted by: stickman at July 6, 2008 9:00 PM
Zena since you ask about judges I might remind you that most of the judges that supported the rulings about giving citizenship rights to terrorists were appointed by republicans, though they all were said to be originalists when they were nominated.
It is sort of like buying a can of tunafish at the store and getting home and opening it and finding out it is cat food.
Posted by: stickman at July 6, 2008 9:05 PM
Ishoof, a lifelong Republican.
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Time to join the other party, Ishoof! Addition by subtraction for the Republicans.
Time to clean house, Republicans!
Remember you are AMERICANS, Republicans. Fugeddabout getting a few islamo-votes or a few larazisma-votes..
Do the right thing and you will get the AMERICAN VOTE!!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 9:09 PM
I do not think that somehow McCain would be more trustworthy with me than he was with his wife, that to me would be idiotic.
Posted by: stickman
Good then you can vote for the Taquiyya-Master HUSEEIN "H"Eytch Osama!!
I bet you were the first to agree with Slick Willie that he wasn't "really" having sexual relations with "that woman" too!
And I bet you voted for John "thrice married" Heinz Ketchup too!!
Now get off this board, traitor.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 9:21 PM
" We will know when the new Prez starts kissing terrorists and praying in mosques..."
Do you mean like George W. Bush has been doing???
Posted by: Madame Vengier
Absolutely...It may become an American presidential tradition. Somehow I can't picture McCain doing it...
PMK...someone posted a link here a while back about research done on Obama's family line. According to that, his father was more Arab than black. That would make Obama more caucasian/Arab. I will try and find the article and post it.
The only difference it makes is that if he is not 'black', he can't be the nations first black President. A mute point actually, but interesting just the same...
at July 6, 2008 9:25 PM
Never mind the guns, the Supremes have just granted habeus corpus to the GITMO freaks. I'd rather have a heavily-armed sex offender as my neighbor than one of those guys.
Posted by: jewdog at July 6, 2008 9:29 PM
Reporter: Mr. Obama, are you a Muslim?
Obama: Yes, I was indoctrinated in the Islamic faith in my early years. However, the supremacist theology did not suit my view of life and when I could choose, I became a Christian. However, I have a vast knowledge of Islam and the Jihadist point of view and there can be no one better than an ex-Muslim to identify their purpose and to destroy their attempt to overthrow our country and the ideals for which we as Americans stand for.
(Dream off)
Posted by: Briars at July 6, 2008 9:41 PM
Now get off this board, traitor.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 9:21 PM
Really. It's too stupid to have here. Good Grief! Join the 21st century, and while you're at it, try and pass the second grade, s'man.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 9:49 PM
stickman: Yeah, McCain cheated on his first wife but later he said, and says to this day, that he was a jerk in doing so. Obama, by contrast, never does anything wrong. His church does, his pastor does, central Pennsylvanians who are bitter do, hell, even his own grandmother ("a typical white person") does, but not the Messiah. Oh no, Obama wants to lecture us all about our failings but never his. Give me a guy who's cheated on his wife, fessed up, has been loyal to his second wife and wants to lead this nation over a self-proclaimed saint any day of the week. Get real, will you?
Posted by: Wellington at July 6, 2008 9:49 PM
replying to umahgumahs 921 post,
"I bet you were the first to agree with Slick Willie that he wasn't "really" having sexual relations with "that woman" too!"
You lose, I think that those kind of relationships are a sort of sex. Like the old man told me, I may not cut the mustard but I can still lick the jar.
"And I bet you voted for John "thrice married" Heinz Ketchup too!!"
You are wrong again, while I voted Nader in 2000, I voted for W in 04.
"Now get off this board, traitor."
Take a long walk off a short pier junior.
Posted by: stickman at July 6, 2008 9:55 PM
Wellington, I agree that Obama has many problems with consistency, I am old fashioned enough not to gloss over the narcissism of our modern day pols.
As for getting real, I think that I am real enough. My own take on this election as many other past elections is that there is not much of a choice between the two, both candidates have their drawbacks in my opinion.
Maybe I will just vote third party, but I will iterate that I will not vote for an oath breaker.
Posted by: stickman at July 6, 2008 10:02 PM
PMK and other interested parties.
The article I referred to was on Kenneth Lambs website 'Between the Lines'. The full article I did not find, but I did gleen this:
"Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian, that from his mother. What those who want Mr. Obama to write history by becoming "America's first African-American president" ignore is that his father was ethnically Arabic, with only 1 relative ethnically African Negro - a maternal great-grandparent (Sen. Obama's great-great grandparent, thus the 6.25% ethnic contribution to the senator's ethnic composition.).
"That means that Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.
According to US law, a person has to be at least 12% to qualify as a black (Negro as they call it).
What does it all mean? Beats me, but I wont vote for him regardless...
Posted by: duh_swami at July 6, 2008 10:47 PM
stickman your point is well taken, but you know for sure that any judges appointed by Obama would be a far leftist, where as Bush to his credit has really done a fine job of his appointees. you need another Republican to get a few more good judges to override the divide now. Obama is on record a far left politician, just look at his very short record.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 6, 2008 10:49 PM
You would think that Obama's website would have enough anti-semitic content to sate the Muslims.
Posted by: Grafted at July 6, 2008 11:10 PM
Saw the interesting use of the expression "swift boated" to mean the opposite of what it was.
The "swift boaters" told the truth about Kerry - that he was a primping posing liar who lied about his military service - he was exposed for what he was - a liar - to be swift boated is to be exposed to the light of truth.
As for Barry Hussein - he is just the front boy for the liberals and Marxists and socialists in the Dem party - at best he's another Jimmy Catta - a catastrophe waiting to happen.
Posted by: dgene at July 6, 2008 11:20 PM
Take a long walk off a short pier junior.
Posted by: stickman
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Make me, grumps.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 11:38 PM
According to US law, a person has to be at least 12% to qualify as a black (Negro as they call it).
Whaaaaat? I realize there are racial preferences in education and government contracts, and there may be some criterion somewhere, but certainly nothing rising to the level of "US law." Or I want some of my law school money back. And nobody uses "Negro" any more. Though given what we know about human migration apparently everyone could hang an "African" in front of their usual designation. But scrapping "African" would only take us back to "black."
Posted by: Beagle at July 6, 2008 11:52 PM
Zena since you ask about judges I might remind you that most of the judges that supported the rulings about giving citizenship rights to terrorists were appointed by republicans, though they all were said to be originalists when they were nominated.
Posted by: stickman at July 6, 2008 9:05 PM
This statement is surely inaccurate at best, willfully disingenuine at worst. Last time I checked, the four dissenters were Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas.
Out of the five dissenters, how many were appointed undera democratic regime?
Just asking.
at July 6, 2008 11:53 PM
stickman: It's your right to do, of course, what you want, but I would ask you how many people, including all of our former Presidents, do you believe didn't go back on their word sometime in their life, irrespective of getting away with it or getting caught? It seems you seek someone approaching a perfect human being rather than a transgressor (and in McCain one who put his life on the line in a way the vast majority of Americans never will) who has acknowledged his wrongdoing and has tried to live an upright life from that point onwards. As for not being impressed with either candidate, that complaint has been made by many in almost every Presidential election going back to John Adams. Besides, not voting for McCain is a half-vote for Obama and the kind of judges he will appoint to the federal judiciary should concern anyone who is not Far Left in their political leanings. Oh, one last thing, McCain's first wife is publicly supporting him for President. If she can find it in herself to support him, how can you not? Methinks you are dangerously close to being a holier-than-thou type.
Posted by: Wellington at July 7, 2008 12:00 AM
Stickman,
With all due respect, to base your vote on McCain's extra-marital affairs after returning home following brutal captivity seems naive at best. JFK was not a faithful husband as well as Clinton, both while they were serving in the highest office in the land. Neither had endured over 5 years of torture/isolation, yet treated the White House like a fraternity. I'm not excusing McCain's behavior. He has said he has regretted it and, here's the kicker, accepted RESPONSIBILITY for it, unlike Obama. If you are firm in judging character, what can you say about a man's character that tosses his friends and family as fast as you can say "controversial" and only because most Americans don't buy into their hateful rhetoric. Nothing is ever his(Obama's) fault.
Instead we have a candidate who wants to micromanage all facets of our lives. Amoung his dubious associates are a long list of shady characters that "aren't the people I thought they were..." Not someone I want to have control of the Oval Office.Here's just one story about those shady charaters the MSM is ignoring.TERRORIST LINK TO AN OBAMA FUNDRAISER
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/06/exclusive_who_i_1.html
I also don't want Nation of Islam staffers having any access to any part of our government http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html
Top that off with Obama's utter disregard for human life and I'd say we have a huge problem. See the article below
Obama defenders ignore his support for infanticide,
Washington DC, Jul 4, 2008 / 04:27 pm (CNA).- Political analyst Deal Hudson has argued that supporters of Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, are misrepresenting or even denying Obama’s support for “infanticide.” Hudson charges the Senator with supporting infanticide through his opposition to protections for infants who survive abortion attempts.
Writing on InsideCatholic.com, Hudson cites Obama’s opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA), which was first introduced into the Illinois legislature in 2001 after nurse Jill Stanek reported that babies who were born alive after abortion attempts at Christ Hospital in Illinois were left to die without attention from medical personnel.
During Stanek’s testimony before the Illinois legislature’s Judiciary Committee, on which then-state Senator Barack Obama sat, Obama asked whether the bill would subvert a woman’s right to an abortion. According to Hudson, Obama voted against the bill in committee but voted “present” on the Illinois Senate floor.
The bill was defeated, but reintroduced in 2002. That year, Obama again voted against the BAIPA legislation in committee. In the full Senate vote, Obama voted “no” and led the opposition to the bill.
He was the only state senator to speak against the bill on the Senate floor, saying:
“Whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the Equal Protection Clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute.”
In 2002 Sen. Hillary Clinton, Obama’s recent opponent for the Democratic presidential nomination, voted in favor of a federal version of BAIPA, which passed the U.S. Senate by a vote of 98-0.
Obama, Hudson argues, consistently opposed the law. In 2003 the state version of BIPA was introduced to the Illinois legislature for the third time. The Senate’s Heath and Human Services Committee, which was then chaired by Obama, refused to bring the bill to a vote.
The Born Alive Infants Protection Act passed the Illinois legislature only in 2005, after Obama had left the body.
In his InsideCatholic.com essay, Hudson criticizes some Obama supporters’ argument that Obama’s several votes against BAIPA were not evidence of support for infanticide because the senator merely intended to uphold Roe v. Wade.
“Such bad logic completely detaches Obama's act of voting against the bill from its consequences,” Hudson asserts. “Without the passage of the bill infants born in Illinois remained vulnerable to the lack of treatment witnessed first-hand in Christ Hospital by Jill Stanek.”
Obama’s attempt to appeal to political moderates, Hudson argues, will have to work to overcome his past opposition to BAIPA.
“Once American voters start asking Obama why he would allow doctors and nurses to deny medical treatment to a newborn child it may raise the larger question about moral judgment,” Hudson writes. “Just the mere posing of that question to a candidate like Obama will strip him of his air of inevitability.”
And this one:
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCm8a5e47Kw
at July 7, 2008 12:15 AM
Beagle...I'm not positive but I think this 12% law has to do with the census and counting people...
Posted by: duh_swami at July 7, 2008 12:24 AM
'Can anyone explain to me why Muslims are supporting Obama in the first place, seeing as how his views on abortion and homosexuality fly completely in the face of Islamic teaching? As devout and virtuous as Muslims seem to want people to think they are you would think they would be aligned with the Republican conservative party as are most serious Christians.'
Posted by: Madame Vengier
This is a good point. Although I'm new here please allow me to react to that, and as I have a Muslim background I can try to give part of the explaination. This had to do with pride. Having the best religion, as Muslims obviously are convinced, doesn't correspond with the real conditions of Muslims in the world. They haven't achieved anything worthy in the modern world. If the US president can be associated with the Islam, this will give them an enormous push of pride, which they so much crave, even if his policies have nothing with Islamic teachings. It will compensate somehow for their feeling inferior, which they try to cover by acting superior. That is at least the psychological explanation.
Posted by: Amal.Mamoul at July 7, 2008 2:33 AM
duh_swami
I think I found the source for the claim at Julia Gorin's website. I guess such standards have to exist for so-called positive discrimination, just as the One Drop Rule existed previously.
Posted by: Beagle at July 7, 2008 11:01 AM
duh_swami,
It depends on how you define black. Thanks to immigration, there must be millions of American blacks who aren't descended from former slaves. Bill Clinton was named the first black president, by African-Americans.
Obama is the son of a Kenyan and an American, making him an African-American of sorts. In the Hall of Presidents, he would be the first one with black skin.
Any way you look at it, he would be the first president not descended primarily from white Europeans. Whether it's Arab or sub-Saharan African doesn't really matter. A Kenyan is also an African.
at July 7, 2008 12:14 PM
Just a couple thoughts on this little problem of Obama's:
1)Does this mean that the Muslim American Political Action Committee in the "holy city" of Dearborn, Michigan will refrain from endorsing Barack as they did for John Kerry? I sincerely hope not! You see, I swallowed my gorge in 2004 and purchased 10 of their buttons reading "Muslims for Kerry-Edwards." I passed these out to several friends including one of my college professors, who has called it his favorite piece of political memorabilia ever!!! In fact, the buttons were such a hit on my (conservative Catholic) college campus that I ended up buying 15 more of them. I trust Our Lord and Our Lady will forgive me for the transgression as it made my point!!! I really am looking forward to my "Muslims for Obama" button. May I suggest a background prominently featuring a airliner!?!
2) Our government has been utilizing "economic sanctions" against countries that sponsor terrorism. May I suggest that we adopt such a policy as individuals? I personally will no longer knowingly do business with any Muslim-owned company or business that contributes to such organizations as Hamas and Hezbollah.
By the same token, I would suggest that caring individuals begin using the fact that a company does business with Israel as a point in their favor. For instance, Intel just opened a new plant in Israel that is expected to make a 2% increase in the Israeli GDP. Jesus said those that so in good ground can expect an increase of up to 100-fold. May God honor this and other companies that support his people in Israel.
Posted by: RosettaStone at July 7, 2008 6:59 PM
Barack Obama is a high risk assassination candidate. He better wear a bullet proof vest and have a lot of security. I wish him well.
Posted by: Dobra Dyen at July 10, 2008 9:36 AM
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