the good news that the MSM never tells us, is that the Nato forces are killing the islamists in record numbers, and if they can follow them back to the pak to finish them off would be great!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 13, 2008 11:04 AM

At this rate with every Islamic Jihadi killed the Islamic porn heaven is running out of the 72 virgins and young prepubescent boys. Better start performing surgery to meet the needs of these Jihadis who have been lusting after these nubile young girls and boys. How can one really respect such a ideology, no wonder the Muslims go berserk when non Muslims criticize or make cartoons of such a pathetic and vile religion.

Posted by: savsiv at July 13, 2008 11:14 AM

I am just reflecting on the partnership of the Afghanistan National Security Forces with the international forces, esp the USA.

**** If the Obamanation is elected, and pulls out the US from Afghanistan (or/and Iraq), and the jihadists reign, what is the chance that Obama will be impeached by a Demo Congress?

Posted by: confused at July 13, 2008 11:15 AM

Each time we start to think there is a lull, things spike up again. It is the same as the lesser known insurgency in the deep south of Thailand.
Will Obama keep his promise and get troops out?
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Posted by: redandwhitestripes at July 13, 2008 11:15 AM

How can it ever end? Impossible.

When they carry a gun, they're Taliban.

When they are in their villages, they're civilians.

And we are building mosques for them and pay compo when someting gets damaged. Is that still PC or collective insanity?

On top of everything you have the perpetually clueless:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/07/13/hazel-blears-will-go-on-an-international-tour-to-find-moderate-islam/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 13, 2008 11:37 AM

"War rages on in Afghanistan...."
-- from the article above

And it will rage on, and on, and on. Sometimes a little less intense, sometimes more. Sometimes this tribe or ethnic group -- Tadjiks and Uzbeks in the north, Pashtuns in the south, the Hazara toward Jalalabad in the center-west -- will be more aggressive, sometimes that. The Shi'a Hazara may or may not be able to defend themselves, or to attack in turn, Sunnis, whether ur-Sunnis of the Taliban variety (who before they were so rudely interrupted by the Americans, were trying to wipe the Hazara out).

Sometimes they will do it with mere rifles of World War I or World War II vintage, or home-made affairs, or sometimes with stuff left behind by the Red Army, or stuff given by the Americans --what happened to all those Stinger missiles? Are any still operational? -- to fight the Red Army, or given yesterday, or today, or tomorrow, to fight, supposedly, the "resurgent" Taliban.

And if, save in the most limited of ways, the Infidels were to get out of the way, and let the Muslims fight each other -- and suppling some intelligence from spy satellites and drones, and now and again resupplies of weaponry to the side or tribe or warlord who happens, at that point, in promoting its or his own interests, to be furthering as well the interests of Infidels -- then all manner of things would be, if not well, at least a good deal better. And we Infidels, spending less, and letting Pakistan's military have to worry about "implosion" in Afghanistan, can turn our attention, as it ought to be turned, to Western Europe, and to the main instruments of Jihad in the Lands of the Infidels: the Money Weapon, Da'wa, and demographic conquest.

For in Afghanistan, there is no end to this.

The Taliban may be wiped out, or not. It hardly matters. Another Taliban will come along, for the ideology of the Taliban, the ideology of Islam that remains intact and unchallenged and not undermined -- for the Americans do not dare to hint that there is anything wrong with Islam, do not dare to try to undercut the hold of Islam on the minds of men -- and won't be, until the conditions are created, the conditions not of prosperity but of self-generated misery (as in the Islamic Republic today), with no Infidels in sight, that will cause some to start making the connections between the nature of Islam and the failures, political and economic, social and moral and intellectual, of Muslim polities, and Muslim peoples.

That is the best way: to exploit the pre-existing fissures within Islam, by doing not more but less, and by educating Infidels, or giving them the means to educate themselves, about the meaning, and menace, of Islam, so that they can with knowledge, and self-assurance, act in their own civilizational defense, and put -- for all time -- Muslims on the ideological defensive, as they will be forced to try to answer the unanswerable proosition, about those connections, between those many kinds of failures, and Islma itself.

That might save the Western world many trillions of dollars. Any possibility of a Finder's Fee? I need a good computer, and I need to redo a bathroom, and a few other things. So, dear Pentagon and State Department, or foundations, or anyone else for that matter who sees and agrees with me, to kindly send your grateful checks made to me, care of this website. Really, this advise, nicely written up in a black binder, possibly with a Power-Point presentation on a CD, will end up costing this country much less than what Halliburton, and Blackwater, and a thousand contractors, and ten thousand consultants in the "war on terror" have cost the long-suffering, benighted, naive American government, "winning" those hearts, "winning" those minds.

How does that phrase go? Oh yes:

"Money is a terrible thing to waste."

I may have gotten the phrase slightly wrong. Well, I like my version.

Posted by: Hugh at July 13, 2008 11:44 AM

"Money is a terrible thing to waste."

I may have gotten the phrase slightly wrong. Well, I like my version.
Posted by: Hugh

You got it right. I know this to be a fact from personal experience. I wish I had now, all the money I wasted in the past. I would not be rich, but I could buy some good wine and cheese...Maybe a gallon of gas...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 13, 2008 12:06 PM

Of course it will go on and on.

If Russia, at the height of their military power, had to pull out of there and admit defeat after 10 years and thousands of deaths then I highly doubt that the US and the NATO forces can do much. This is the way of life for the Islamofacists there, just another normal day. Either hang out in the village and be under the radar or decide to go out and be part of the Taliban. What hat to wear today?

IT's a losing battle, no matter how many troops are there. Sure, we may make some progress, but that progress is undone the next week.

I have no answers, but I can see the writing on the wall.

Posted by: gymgal at July 13, 2008 12:23 PM

The good news: We killed some Talibums.
The bad news: There's a lot more where they came from. Afghanistan is still an Islamic country. It has no oil or other valuable resources.
So on balance, are there enough reasons to keep up our "investment" in Afghanistan?
My understanding is that there is only one reason we invaded and are still there: To deny Al Qaeda a safe haven. But Al Qaeda has merely moved elsewhere.
Yet, ever more billions keep flowing to OPEC and its jihadist affiliates. Isn't that the root cause of this whole mess, and not some God-forsaken stretch of real estate?

Posted by: jewdog at July 13, 2008 12:39 PM

Money is a terrible thing to waste."
posted by Hugh

But, boy, is the gummint ever good at it! It's about the only thing they do well.

Posted by: ebonystone at July 13, 2008 1:06 PM

jewdog why do we still jail and/or put to death those who murder, why do we jail the thief? l mean it never stops always some people will kill and steal. why do the cops chase down criminals, l mean there will always be more eh? we need to pound on them until they cry uncle, and with this pc among our governing elites it will take much longer than if we did a Hiroshima on them.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 13, 2008 1:14 PM

Official: 9 US troops killed in Afghanistan...

Breaking news, official count unknown...Yahoo news...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 13, 2008 1:31 PM

I'm with you Zena. We need to go WW2 on them. No more pussyfooting around.

As for the Allied deaths Swami is mentioning.. I can can hear that earnest glee in the voices of the "n"pr stooges tomorrow morning already.

We tie our troops' hands.. the enemy hides in mosks.. and we treat these mosks as "holy".

we need to get it inside our heads that a mosk is NOT a church or a temple.

How many of OURS would still be alive if they were free to make their decisions on the battlefield without first consulting a manual or a lawyer?

Funny how that is never discussed on "n"pr!

Why is it that when I hear of US troops dead the first thing comes to my mind are the smirky gleeful KOS-kids who "work" at "n"pr?

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 13, 2008 2:01 PM

"n"pr: Can you say Tokyo Rose?

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 13, 2008 2:02 PM

"Militants fired machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars from homes and a mosque in the village of Wanat in the northeastern province of Kunar, a mountainous region that borders Pakistan.."
-- from the article

So the "militants" fired on this base "from homes and a mosque in the village of Wanat." What does that mean? That must mean that the base was located very close to the village, and was known to the villagers. Surely the Americans knew that. And surely they had been assured that the villagers were on their side, might even supply them with food, might even warn them if the Taliban was coming.

Or could it be that all along they had been fooling the Americans? It is possible to be a big tough Navy Seal or Green Beret, and still have no idea what you are dealing with, not understand the depths of mendacity and meretriciousness of your supposed "allies."

Where exactly was that base placed, in relation to the village of Wanat, and what exactly were the previous relations, or understandings, that the Americans thought they had, with the villagers in that village of Wanat?

Lessons learned, possibly? Or is the winning-hearts-and-minds stuff just too deeply imbedded in the brains of the bigger shots, civilian and military, who make the decisions, and who put at much greater risk those soldiers who are already risking their lives?

Posted by: Hugh at July 13, 2008 2:49 PM

from the article:

"Militants fired machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars from homes and a mosque in the village of Wanat in the northeastern province of Kunar, a mountainous region that borders Pakistan.."

Does Wanat continue to exist?

Why?

Posted by: justamomof4 at July 13, 2008 6:12 PM

and if they can follow them back to the pak to finish them off would be great!
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

And follow them through Pakistan destroying everything as they go until we meet up with the Indian Army somewhere in the middle (see FDR, Churchill, Stalin in WWII and Sherman's march across Georgia during the American Civil War).

The way to win a war is to attack with such overwhelming force that the other side loses the will to continue fighting. That's how the North won the civil war and how the allies won WWII. Total destruction of their homes, infrastructure and military until just basic food and housing is the peoples primary concern and they become angry with their leaders for bringing it on them.

Then you work on helping them rebuild and "win hearts and minds" or at least minds and you tell them what their new constitution will and will not contain. And in this case (as was the case with Japan and Shintoism) there will be no official recognition of islam in society.

Anything less is a waste of time, personnel and money, as we've seen from Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq I and now Iraq II and Afghanistan.

Posted by: walterc at July 14, 2008 6:12 PM