I wonder what they call all the hate filled passages in the Koran directed towards all Non Muslims? Has the UN banned these passages as hate against Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism etc. NO! It is for our own protection that we expose this hatred towards women and non Muslims. While the Islamic world can utter fowl and despicable language against non Muslims it is not considered hate, when they kill, kidnap, rape non Muslims it is not call hate...what the HELL IS IT called? Oh yeah the religion of peace. The sickness and perversion and the PC policies had led to real damage to free peoples and human dignity one of the most cherished values in a liberal democracy.

Posted by: savsiv at July 17, 2008 11:18 AM

"As Muslims we have fully integrated into British society, but we have no desire to assimilate to an inferior culture."

Oh, really? Then GET OUT.

The arrogance of these people never fails to amaze me.

Posted by: Mo at July 17, 2008 11:23 AM

The Imam's response - "As Muslims we have fully integrated into British society, but we have no desire to assimilate to an inferior culture."

Then why did you move to Britain if the culture is inferior?

Should leaving the Islamic faith be punishable by death? His response, "In Britain, no, but in an Islamic state, yes."

And how many times has the West been reprimanded by the third world for tolerating in third world countries what it would never accept for itself?

Will you people make up your minds?

"Just as we punish our children to reprimand them, so too sometimes it is justifiable to reprimand our wives. It is our duty."

Punishment and physical assault are two very different things. Your wife is your equal in the West. If you don't want to treat her as an equal then stay in your superior (boy, are you blind!) culture.

How does a multiculturalist embrace two cultures where one hangs homosexuals as they did the 14-year old boy in Iran last month, while the other protects and advances the rights of homosexuals?

Good question. Anyone on the Left care to take a crack at it?

Posted by: PMK at July 17, 2008 11:24 AM

I'm wi' Mo. Again.

Posted by: undaunted at July 17, 2008 11:25 AM

"As Muslims we have fully integrated into British society, but we have no desire to assimilate to an inferior culture"
-- from the article above, quoting a Shi'a permitted, alas, entry into Great Britain

It is Great Britain that possesses an "inferior culture"?

Visit the great museums of the Western world. Look, with a magnifying glass, for the signs of "Islamic art" -- and don't attribute the rubric "Islamic art" to that produced by non-Muslmis (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists) in lands conquered and ruled by Muslims. What is there, exactly?

Visit the great concert halls of the world. Ask to see some examples of Muslim contributions to world music. Mosque music? None, of course. Or a rich tradition of popular song, or folk music? None, of course. Ask how today World Music Festivals, or Western orchestras, fare anywhere in the lands ruled by Islam. Ask about the murders of singers of Rai in Algeria, and of wedding-singers in Afghanistan, and about the bombing of music stores by Gazan Arabs, or by Iranians faithful to the spirit of Khomeini. Ask

Let's go on. Let's try philosophy. What is there, exactly? Well, at this point let me quote from a previous article I wrote on Deux-Rivisme:

"Oh,and now is the time to mention that long and glorious list of the Great Men of Islamic Civilization who Practically Constructed -- in their days off -- the Western world. One must never fail to mention those Great Figures. Dominique de Villepin never fails to mention them when he gives his little speeches and deuxriviste pep talks in Cairo, or at the "Library" (whew -- $225 million in Euros down the drain) of Alexandria, or anywhere he dares to travel in the Maghreb. So here they are. Get out your pencils, and note them down: Al-Kindi, Al-Farabi, Avicenna, Averroes, Al-Rhazi. Oh, have I left anyone out? Yes, I forgot to mention Avicenna, Al-Rhazi, Al-Kindi, Al-Farabi, Averroes. And perhaps I did not mention Averroes, Al-Farabi, Al-Kindi, Al-Rhazi, Avicenna. Oh, how silly of me to have forgotten to mention, and I'll add them here, if you don't mind -- Averroes and Avicenna. And also Al-Rhazi. Did I leave anyone out? Oh yes, Al-Farabi. Sorry.

What a list. How can Europe be expected to top that, with its pathetic little list of supposed "great men"? Or the Chinese, on their high Tang horse? Or the Koreans, or the Japanese, or the Mayans with their supposed calendrical and other scientific achievements? Don't even try to top that list of Great Islamic Achievers. And please don't bring up the matter of just how many of them were orthodox, and how many practically apostates. And certainly do not begin looking into which ones were Persians and Turks and which ones were Arabs. That would not be fair. That would not be kind. That would even be Islamophobic."

Posted by Hugh at January 7, 2007]

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2008 11:45 AM

But the Muslims gave us Algebra!
They gave us the decimal system!
We have "Arabic" numbers!

/sarc off

Posted by: PMK at July 17, 2008 11:56 AM

How do you convince an idiot he’s an idiot? Worse, that he’s a criminal idiot? Islam is brain dead. How do you convince the brain dead they are criminal idiots?

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at July 17, 2008 12:04 PM

Quote: Adding to this, the recent resolution passed by the United Nations, banning criticism of Islam and Mohammed, essentially making it akin to 'hate speech', drives all of us to discern what we can do, as private citizens on both sides of the pond, to maintain the free speech traditions we've enjoyed in western civilization, and for which so many have died. Unquote

And my use of free speech follows -
muslims get your paeodophile led cult of death out of MY country, and UN - take this, fold into a whole bunch of sharp corners and stick it where the sun don't shine and then get the f*ck out of MY country and MY life!!

And if you don't like my comments - tough sh*t

CC

Posted by: CelticCoyote at July 17, 2008 12:37 PM

Muslims don't just "think" that they are superior to all other cultures, they "know" they are more superior. They are carbon copies of the WWII German Nazis in this regard.

Posted by: Spot on at July 17, 2008 12:39 PM

I'm with undaunted and Mo. If Western culture is so inferior, then just leave. Go back to your wonderfully run Muslim countries. Oh wait, I guess they can't because they need to take over the whole world. You know, often times when attempting to figure out the Muslim mind I find it very helpful to try and think as a child would. Then everything starts to fit.

Posted by: Wellington at July 17, 2008 1:10 PM

How do you convince an idiot he’s an idiot? Worse, that he’s a criminal idiot? Islam is brain dead. How do you convince the brain dead they are criminal idiots?

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at July 17, 2008 12:04 PM

Two major areas of action can address it:

1) By letting them reap what they sow -- no assistance or handicapping whatsoever.

2) By proving that what they think is wrong in terms of bricks and mortar. Real, concrete demonstrations that Allah is powerless.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at July 17, 2008 1:20 PM

As Muslims we have fully integrated into British society, but we have no desire to assimilate to an inferior culture"
INFERIOR CULTURE bs;
most arabs in the middle east are less than 3 generations from being nomads or the middle east versions of sharecrops in other words peasants,
most have the peasant attitude that there culture is the soupiour one despite in this case being mired in a 7th century political;moral ,religious,and ethics system that has done more harm that good . one that still practices fgm,wife beating , and slavery!! compair this to western cluture that has made most if not all the medical and tecnalogoigal advances ie eliminating small pox EXCEPT IN MUSLIM PACKISTAN ! or putting men on the moon. or inventing and developiing the computeror creatting the great music like bach or beytoven did
and then theres da vinci this imman needs to be imo horse wiped on his ass to wake up his brain and put on the next pig boat to what ever in his option culture that is so much superior cult-tur he came from

Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at July 17, 2008 2:46 PM

All this can be explained by the electoral clout of the muslim and other immigrant communities.

I have been trying to find a report by the “Indo-Asian News Service” – IANS, in February this year which states this power quite openly. Rami Ranger a leading hindu who settled in Britain 35 years ago is supporter of the British Conservative Party and he is reported to have said “No British political party can govern if they to upset the asian population on immigration as they are concentrated in cities which allow them to deliver 40-50 seats in parliament”.

If this is what the reasonable and pacific hindu’s think, then consider the attitude of the muslims with their open contempt for British society. They hold the balance of power and they know it.

So far as I know this statement on the “Indo-Asian News Service” was not reported in the British press.

Posted by: Fred at July 17, 2008 2:52 PM

All this can be explained by the electoral clout of the muslim and other immigrant communities.

I have been trying to find a report by the “Indo-Asian News Service” – IANS, in February this year which states this power quite openly. Rami Ranger a leading hindu who settled in Britain 35 years ago is supporter of the British Conservative Party and he is reported to have said “No British political party can govern if they to upset the asian population on immigration as they are concentrated in cities which allow them to deliver 40-50 seats in parliament”.

If this is what the reasonable and pacific hindu’s think, then consider the attitude of the muslims with their open contempt for British society. They hold the balance of power and they know it.

So far as I know this statement on the “Indo-Asian News Service” was not reported in the British press.

Posted by: Fred at July 17, 2008 2:55 PM

I understand they came up with the idea of Zero? Was it done to better define who they are?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at July 17, 2008 3:04 PM

Algebra. The mathematical formula to determine how many Infidels need to be kept alive in order to pay the bills.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at July 17, 2008 3:06 PM

Just think how tough algebra would have been if it were invented by the Chinese!

Posted by: Richard at July 17, 2008 3:42 PM

PMK.. Actually algebra was invented in India. It was brought to the west via the Arabs. So even Arabs inventing algebra is a myth and/or lie.

Posted by: one of the chosen people at July 17, 2008 3:45 PM

one of the chosen people,
That's right. That's why I used the sarc switch and all those exclamation points.

I still hear the lie in the MSM, however. Newscasters and journalists still don't know.

Posted by: PMK at July 17, 2008 6:43 PM

Here's the Ultimate Führer of the "superior culture":

*~@}:~{>

Ooops.. did I just violate some United Nazis edict?

So sorry!

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 17, 2008 7:45 PM

Salieri called Mozart inferior.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 17, 2008 8:57 PM

It isn't so much that Salieri called Mozart inferior that makes one worry about salieris on a civilizational scale. It's that Salieri didn't really think Mozart was inferior, and knowing the truth gnawed and gnawed at him, giving rise to those stories -- and one of Pushkin's "little tragedies" -- based on the notion that, out of envy, S. poisoned M.

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2008 10:50 PM

"As Muslims we have fully integrated into British society, but we have no desire to assimilate to an inferior culture"

In Islam good is evil and evil good, so why wouldn't inferior be superior, and superior be inferior?

Everything in Islam glorifies the lowest common denominator in morality and culture.

Posted by: rational at July 17, 2008 11:02 PM

They invented a criminal cult. That's all they ever invented...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 18, 2008 3:14 AM

PMK says; But the Muslims gave us Algebra!
They gave us the decimal system!
We have "Arabic" numbers!.....

The Greeks and Hebrews had signs for numbers long before the Arabs

It is now universally accepted that our decimal numbers derive from forms, which were invented in India and transmitted via Arab culture to Europe

We also know that several different ways of writing numbers evolved in India before it became possible for existing decimal numerals to be marred with the place-value principle of the Babylonians to give birth to the system which eventually became the one which we use today.

The first important astronomical work, "Sürya Siddhanta" ("knowledge of the sun"), was written about the beginning of the fifth century. Hindu mathematics from here on became subservient to astronomy rather than religion. The mathematics coming from India were also influenced by Greek, Babylonian and Chinese mathematics.

In the beginning of the first century, India developed to scripts:

Conclusion: In its final form the Hindu system of writing numerals is fundamentally different from that of the Egyptians, the Ancient Greeks and the Romans. The Hindus have special symbols for the individual numbers from one to nine, whose rank are indicated by their positions.

The Hindu system is to some extent a continuation of the early Chinese system, although it has not been proved that there was direct influence. The Hindu system is a pure place-value system. Only a pure place-value system needs a symbol for a missing amount, for a non-existent rank, the zero.
Arab scholars did not make any use of syncopation or of negative numbers

Only the Hindus within the context of Indo-European civilisations have consistently used a zero.

Posted by: Gabrielle at July 18, 2008 5:43 AM

"As Muslims we have fully integrated into British society, but we have no desire to assimilate to an inferior culture"

Too late. Radical Muslims are showing their culture IS inferior(and twisted, but I digress). They don't need to assimilate into what they believe inferior. They were born into one! And the more these radicals open their mouths, the more they show their own inferiority.

As far as those who are not radicals, start speaking up if you don't want guilt by association. Those who have spoken up against all this crap, have assimilated and became real citizens in other societies, we applaud you.

Posted by: samhein at July 18, 2008 7:13 AM

'The Imam's response - "As Muslims we have fully integrated into British society, but we have no desire to assimilate to an inferior culture." '

Let us remember that for this imam, an 'inferior culture' is not merely miniskirts and Bridget Jones, football hooligans, or the middle-class anomie of 'Four Weddings and a Funeral' - it is the Dome of St Paul's and Westminster Abbey, the portraits of Gainsborough, the sermons of John Donne, the poetry of Gerard Manly Hopkins and John Betjeman, the music of Thomas Tallis and William Byrd, Morris Dancers and Maypoles and Kings College Chapel Christmas service and change ringing of church bells. It is Sir Isaac Newton and Charles Darwin - Infidels to the backbone. And I am sure the imam would cheerfully consign to the flames John Milton's Areopagitica; and would delight in unhanging the bells of St Paul's and silencing them forever.

When I read this, and when I watch the Islamic gestalt recoiling from, and obsessively seeking to silence and destroy music, art, women, beauty, thinking, freedom, life...I am reminded of these words from David Bentley Hart's "The Beauty of the Infinite", concerning Hell:

"Hell is with us at all times, a phantom kingdom perpetuating itself in the wastes of sinful hearts, but only becomes visible to us as hell because the true kingdom has shed its light upon history.

'In theological tradition, most particularly in the East, there is that school of thought that wisely makes no distinction, essentially, between the fire of hell and the light of God's glory, and that interprets damnation as the soul's resistance to the beauty of God's glory, its refusal to open itself before divine love, which causes divine love to seem an exterior chastisement.

'Hell is the experience (a possibility in each moment) of divine glory not as beauty but as a formless sublimity; it is the rejection of all analogical vulnerability, the sealing off of the 'self' (or the cosmos) in univocal singularity {when I read this bit about 'univocal singularity' I thought instantly of Islam's obsession with purity, with Tawheed, 'Oneness', and its terror of, its driving will to destroy, anything and everything Other than itself - dda}, the 'misreading' of creation as an aboriginal violence."

..."exile is possible within the beauty of the infinite only by way an exilic interiority, a fictive inwardness, where the creature can grasp itself as an isolated essence...though hell is the purest interiority it is also by contagion a shared interiority, a palpable fiction and common space superimposed upon creation, with a history of its own; but still it is a turning in, a fabrication of an inward depth, a shadow , a privation, a loss of the whole outer world, a refusal of the surface..." [Beauty of the Infinite, pp. 399-400]

Islam, as most terribly and purely exhibited in figures such as Khomeini, who pronounced 'there is no fun in Islam', or those who murder wedding singers and blow up music shops, and force women to move in public spaces as shrouded ghosts, appears to me to be, in fact, one long furious teeth-gritted "resistance to the beauty of God's glory".

It is possible - quite possible - that someone fully programmed/ possessed by Quran, Sira, Hadith, someone like Sayyid Qutb or Khomeini, is so warped in their perception of reality and in their responses that they experience as a horror and an assault (if you like, as a rain of fire) that which we would perceive and experience as innocent joy, freedom and delight.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 18, 2008 8:09 AM

dumbledoresarmy: Wonderful and beautiful post above about what really constitutes Hell. It also reinforces the sad conviction that Islam has such deeply sick aspects to it that it could produce a Qutb, a Khomeini and a multitude of others with an outlook on life that is so distorted. Thanks.

Posted by: Wellington at July 18, 2008 1:10 PM

Here, by way of a non-western and indeed non-Christian example of the beauty from which Islam flees and which Islam seeks to destroy - a beauty which I would regard as a reflection of the divine glory - is a link to a story about one of the most inspiring TV programs I have ever watched - The Tenth Dancer.

http://www.360degreefilms.com.au/productions/tenthdancer/gallery.html

Nine out of every ten classically-trained Cambodian temple dancers, the Royal Court Ballet, were murdered by Pol Pot. Among the few who survived was a woman who was found and filmed, by the documentary makers, as almost singlehandedly she trained new dancers, reviving out of her own memory, and from one book that she had tenaciously preserved, the knowledge of her art.

I, a Christian, would regard that art as a manifestation of beauty, grace, the 'glory of the nations'. It celebrates and adorns and displays feminine grace and beauty; it is both dance and prayer.

But the imams would, I am sure, regard it all as haraam, to be detested and destroyed (or, perhaps, secretly indulged in behind closed doors, performed by terrified slave captives for the pleasure of hypocritical sheikhs and sultans and emirs).

Yet another reminder of what we are all fighting for: a world in which Indian and Thai and Cambodian and Balinese and gypsy dancers, and flamenca dancers, and hula dancers, and the British Royal Ballet and the Russian Ballet, and [insert names here, according to taste and knowledge] can pursue their craft without fear.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 19, 2008 12:06 AM