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Taqiyya in full-swing in Madrid. "Attempts to impose views lead to conflicts," by Badea Abu Al-Naja for Arab News, July 18:
MADRID: Sheikh Hassan Al-Saffar, a prominent Saudi Islamic scholar, expressed his hope that the World Conference on Dialogue in Madrid would help defeat instigators of wars and conflicts as well as proponents of a clash of civilizations.Read: help defeat all who speak the truth about Islam, revealing its most troubling doctrines.
Speaking to Arab News on the sidelines of the conference, Al-Saffar said the move to impose one’s ideology over others was the main factor that threatens peaceful coexistence of people of different faiths.Really now, coming from a “prominent Saudi scholar”—in other words, a radical wahhabi—and unless he is specifically talking about Muslims, how can anyone take such talk seriously? While everything he said is true, of course, he, as well as all objective students of Islam, Muslim and non-Muslim, know that the only religious group that’s in the bad habit of “imposing” its view on others, attempting to “dominate” them, “propagate” their ideas, and undermining “coexistence,” all while “believ[ing] that only their religion is correct and others are wrong, are—drum roll please—Muslims. History unequivocally portrays this; while Islam’s sacred texts—from Koran to Hadith—command it. Koran 9:29 alone (said to abrogate the more tolerant Meccan verses) commands Muslims to do all those things he descried: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."“Some people think that it’s their right to impose their views on others as they believe that only their religion is correct and others are wrong.This attempt to dominate over others undermines coexistence and human relations,” said Al-Saffar. “Those who want to propagate their ideas should present them in a decent manner and give the public the choice to accept or reject them. This will encourage free thinking and generate respect for the views of others.”
[…] Al-Saffar said religions like Judaism, Christianity and Buddhism have undergone changes during the past several centuries, like the changes that have taken place in Islamic thought. “We cannot draw a picture of another religion based on an old book that was written centuries ago.”Huh? So if Judaism, Christianity, and Buddhism (why no mention of Hinduism, incidentally?), had undergone absolutely no changes, would that then make them bad? And what, exactly, is so troubling about the messages of their “old books”? No where in these books, unlike the Koran and Hadith, are believers commanded to hound, persecute, and subjugate others. Oh yea, the Hebrews purged Canaan: not the same thing. The commandments given the Hebrews to fight and slay the Canaanites were of a temporal quality, then and there, whereas Islam's commandments are transcendent and apply at all times.
Of course, al-Saffar may have been specifically talking about Muslims; but if he was, he would not be a "prominent Saudi cleric." He would probably be facing apostaty charges.
Posted by Raymond at July 18, 2008 8:06 AM
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What a liar. This hypocrite represents a country whose religious doctrine/politics spills over with intolerance of other religions and governments that stand for freedom of choice. Is there anyone at this conference who will call him to the carpet and pull his pants down in public exposing him for the fake he is?
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at July 18, 2008 8:44 AM
A majority of all world wars, virtually every act of terrorism - who are the true instigators?
muslims.
Posted by: DJM at July 18, 2008 8:46 AM
a cleric from the land of chopping body parts trys to sound sincere. if this were not so serious it would make a great comic relief on SNL.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 18, 2008 8:48 AM
Speaking to Arab News on the sidelines of the conference, Al-Saffar said the move to impose one’s ideology over others was the main factor that threatens peaceful coexistence of people of different faiths.
Yes and he is one leading proponents of this ideology that threatens peaceful coexistence of people of different faiths.
Posted by: Briars at July 18, 2008 8:48 AM
Speaking to Arab News on the sidelines of the conference, Al-Saffar said the move to impose one’s ideology over others was the main factor that threatens peaceful coexistence of people of different faiths.
Yes and he is one leading proponent of this ideology that threatens peaceful coexistence of people of different faiths.
Posted by: Briars at July 18, 2008 8:48 AM
And where is the journalist covering this "conference" who will question him and challenge him about what is going on in Saudi Arabia at this very moment?
Why can't any of us even set foot in Mecca?
Why can't oil workers, who have no intention of propagating their faith, bring their own bibles and crucifixes into SA?
Posted by: PMK at July 18, 2008 9:11 AM
A whabbi cleric from Saudi Arabia lecturing about the pitfalls of religious intolerance to participants at the World Conference of Dialogue is a bit like a communist leader lecturing about the virtues of democracy at a conference sponsored by the ACLU ( American Civil League Union).
The Whabbis in Saudi Arabia are directly responsible for the religious intolerance that is widespread in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is an Islamic theocratic monarchy in which Islam is the official religion; the law requires that all Saudi citizens be Muslims.
Religious freedom is virtually non-existent. The Saudi government does not provide legal recognition or protection for freedom of religion, and it is severely restricted in practice throughout the kingdom.
The public practice of non-Muslim religions is prohibited. As a matter of public policy, the Government guarantees and protects the right to private worship for all, including non-Muslims who gather in homes for religious practice; however, this right is not always respected in practice and is not defined in law.
at July 18, 2008 10:01 AM
He seems to be a Shiite. Wonder why the Sowdis took him along for the ride...
Check this out:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.img4free.com/images/bigguy079/sheikhhassanalsaffar.jpg&imgrefurl=http://rasheedsworld.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html&h=338&w=450&sz=54&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=wQ2YYd-UXqbZXM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSheikh%2BHassan%2BAl-Saffar%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN
at July 18, 2008 10:05 AM
Sorry, the link above doesn't work.
Here is the same from the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/world/middleeast/05shiites.html?pagewanted=1
at July 18, 2008 10:25 AM
He would probably be facing apostaty charges.
Or at least be labeled an islamaphobe.
Posted by: walterc at July 18, 2008 10:45 AM
“We cannot draw a picture of another religion based on an old book that was written centuries ago.”
by al-Saffar
O.k., I'll go along with that. I'll stop drawing my picture of Islam based on that old book, the Koran.
Instead I'll draw my picture of Islam from the contemporary words and actions of its spokesmen and adherents. It's a big picture, and it includes: the Twin Towers massacre, the attacks on the London, Madrid, and Bombay trains, the murder of schoolgirls in Indonesia, the use of children to clear minefields in the Iraq-Iran war, the slaughter of the Ibos in the war for Biafran independence, the genocide of Christians and pagans in Sudan, the more-or-less continuous misile attacks on Israel, the "ethnic cleansing" of the Hindus in Bangladesh, the murder of Western tourists in Egypt and Bali, etc. etc.
This is by no means intended as a complete list. It's only one corner of my picture of Islam in action.
So, o.k., I'll go along with the mufti (whatever...) and forget about an "old book". Actions speak louder than words anyway, as the old saying goes; so let's just judge Moslems by their actions in the here and now.
By the way, isn't it blasphemous to refer to the Koran as an "old book, written centuries ago"? I thought it was eternal, existing even before the beginning of time. So, off with his head!
at July 18, 2008 11:04 AM
> Why can't any of us even set foot in Mecca?
Absolutely!
And, if this Saudi Islamic scholar really believes that "This attempt to dominate over others undermines coexistence and human relations,” why isn't he pressuring the Saudi government to allow building of churches, synagogues and temples of other faiths in his own country? Why isn't he demanding freedom of religion, including full religious practice and expresion, in Saudi Arabia?
Well, we know why -- because he would no longer be considered an Islamic scholar if he proposed such a thing. But it just emphasizes his hypocrisy.
Posted by: StephenDvd at July 18, 2008 11:05 AM
“Those who want to propagate their ideas should present them in a decent manner and give the public the choice to accept or reject them. This will encourage free thinking and generate respect for the views of others.”
-Saffar
"He seems to be a Shiite."
-sheik yermani
Now it all makes sense. One Muslim sect lecturing another. It didn't seem right that he would actually call for religious tolerance. All he really wants is tolerance of his brand of Islam. Infidels don't merit the same consideration.
Posted by: PMK at July 18, 2008 12:17 PM
This is the expected ‘monologue’ given by a prominent cleric of the Wahhabi Cult at the interfaith ‘dialogue’ in Spain.
“We cannot draw a picture of another religion based on an old book that was written centuries ago.”
In the end, using carefully worded texts to approximate the truth, they lie. All the posts above echo this, that they lie in their shamelessly self-promoting doctrines of the Allah Cult to dominate the whole world. Religious freedom, freedom of thought and belief, are all impossible by the tenets of this Allah Cult, and is should always be understood that whatever comes out of their clerics mouths are the same hypocricy practiced by their aggressive Cult for the past 1400 years of jihad. It is time to put a stop to this deceitful idiocy once and for all, and save humanity from the mind and body enslavements of Islam. Not a religion, and 'interfaith dialogues' do not exist in Islam, only total mind-body political control to remove all human freedoms. This is the truth of Islam.
at July 18, 2008 12:18 PM
Al-Safrar can get the ball rolling by practicing what he Speeches by not practicing what he Preaches.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at July 18, 2008 4:27 PM
Is any Spanish Catholic person, from Madrid, reading here today?
Then perhaps you can print off, from here at jihadwatch, the articles attached to the following links; print them off by scores, by hundreds, and scatter them from one end to the other of the city of Madrid.
It is the story of two little Catholic girls, from Pakistan, 13 and 10 years old, who have been kidnapped by Muslim slavers, probably raped, quite probably abused in other ways, and are now stated to have been 'converted' to Islam (the elder, all of 13, 'married' to the son of one of the kidnappers [may his name be erased], and a judge in Pakistan has decided in favour of the slavers, who now have legal custody of the girls, because they are now 'Muslims'... nullifying all rights of the girls' desperate parents and family.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021731.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021760.php
Original links:
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=12750&geo=2&size=A
and most recently, the third instalment, recounting how a Pakistani judge [again: may his name and memory be erased] in broad daylight, doubtless with a blissfully clear Muslim conscience, JUSTIFIED and GAVE THE STAMP OF APPROVAL to the slavers' vicious wickedness and cruelty:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021839.php#comments
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=12771&size=A#
Here it is, this story of mind-boggling MUSLIM wickedness and slave-taking and injustice, all 'justified' in the name of the expansion of Islam, the power and might and glory of Islam. THIS is the Islam that that cleric defends. I spit upon it. I despise it as a 'religion' that justifies and sanctifies slave-taking, kidnapping, rape of underage girls, theft and every form of gross injustice.
"The district of Muzaffargarh rules in favour of the Muslims, rejecting the request from the family that wants to bring home the two sisters - 13 and 10 years old - kidnapped last June 26. Christian associations charge that they could end up as prostitutes.
"Islamabad (AsiaNews) -
"District judge Mian Muhammad Naeem, of the section of Muzaffargarh, has ruled that the two Christian sisters "have converted in a legitimate manner to Islam", and for this reason they cannot be "restored to their family of origin".
"Setting aside the request from their father to regain custody of his daughters, the judge also admitted the "validity" of the marriage of the girls to two Muslims.
"Saba Younas, aged 13, and her sister Anila [aged 10] were kidnapped last June 26 in the village of Chowk Munda, in the province of Punjab, where they had gone to visit their uncle, Khalid Raheel.
"This is the same uncle who in recent days reported their kidnapping, asking for help from news organisations and human rights groups.
"According to Raheel's account, a Muslim fruit vendor named Muhammad Arif Bajwa kidnapped the girls, and then handed them over to a friend, Falak Sher Gill, who then organised the marriage between his own son and the older of the Christian sisters, Saba. In court, moreover, father and son both stressed the "complete willingness of the girl to contract marriage".
"The girls' uncle does not conceal his preoccupation, and denounces to AsiaNews that the Muslims involved in the kidnapping are acting as a "gang", recruiting the girls in order to "make them work in a bordello".
"
This alarm has also been heard by the Catholic commission for justice and peace (NCJP) in the country, which confirms the words of Khalid Raheel: the kidnappers are believed to be human traffickers linked to prostitution, known to the police and under the protection of some local politicians.
"For these unscrupulous people", charges Naeem Asghar, local coordinator of the NCJP, marriage is a pretence in order to control the girls, run their lives and exploit them for their own business purposes".
- Posted by Raymond at July 18, 2008 10:36 AM
This news report should be travelling from one end of Madrid to the other; it should be read aloud in every church in Spain, but especially, in every church in Madrid. Print it out and tape it to the door of every Catholic church in Spain.
Print it out; take it to the Cathedral in Madrid and lay it on the altar; light candles for Anila and Saba.
Get together and sit on the steps of the Catholic cathedral, and in the piazza, and read them aloud, in full; especially the last one.
And make sure every Christian, and every Jewish, guest, at this 'World Conference on Dialogue', gets their nose rubbed in all the awful details of what happened to Saba Younas (13 years old) and Anila Younas (10 years old), Catholic Christian girls, of Pakistan, and how they were 'converted' to Islam.
Sez Al-Saffar:
“Some people think that it’s their right to impose their views on others as they believe that only their religion is correct and others are wrong.This attempt to dominate over others undermines coexistence and human relations.”
Right on, Mr Al-Saffar. You've just described to a T the horrible crime that has been perpetrated in Pakistan, upon two dear little girls, Saba and Anila: a blatant "attempt to dominate over others", if ever I saw it. Except that it wasn't an 'attempt' but a done deed: an act of cruel, vicious, arrogant domination, and those who did it, unless they repent, are heading for the deepest pit of hell.
Mr Al-Saffar, when he uttered his piece of gross hypocrisy, should have been pelted with rotten eggs by every decent person present.
at July 18, 2008 7:48 PM
> No where in these books, unlike the Koran and
> Hadith, are believers commanded to hound,
> persecute, and subjugate others.
Really, no where in the bible are believers told to
persecute others?
Have you READ the bible?
Posted by: event_horizon at July 19, 2008 5:40 AM
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