What other reason would infidels have but to keep a keen eye on Muslims. This is just another plot to add to a growing list of such acts of plotting terror and harm non Muslims. A continuous act of malevolence from the religion of peace and its minions.

Posted by: savsiv at July 21, 2008 9:40 AM

Littering, loitering, peeing in the alley, blowing up planes--its all petty crime to dhimmi British officials if the perp is Muslim.
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Posted by: Max Publius at July 21, 2008 10:09 AM

Public nuisance? Isn't it really terrorism?

Posted by: Sounder at July 21, 2008 10:57 AM

"Public nuisance? Isn't it really terrorism?

Posted by: Sounder "

not if you are Muslim. besides the Brits agree with the Muslims.

Posted by: pulsar182 at July 21, 2008 12:07 PM

"public nuisance" yep, it sure would have been a "nuisance" if 10 planes would have blown up, think of the clean up costs (end sarc).

Posted by: gymgal at July 21, 2008 12:18 PM

Those pesky little Muslim bombs.

Posted by: Spot on at July 21, 2008 12:37 PM

Regular Dennis the Menaces, or Dennises the Menaces, or something.

Posted by: Hugh at July 21, 2008 12:52 PM

It's hard for us infidels to grasp, but the contempt Muslims feel for us means that little things like mass murder are truly nuisances. When we exterminate cockroaches or termites, do we view it as a genocide? Of course not. It's absurd.

We are like cockroaches and termites, dirtying up the planet with our refusal to follow Allah, and our eating up of the world which belongs to Muslims. We're pests. We're kaffir. That's the regard Muslims hold us in -- the people whose hearts and minds we're literally dying and spending our treasure on to "win".

Posted by: jsla at July 21, 2008 1:20 PM

Pulsar182-

"besides the Brits agree with the Muslims."

That's a pretty broad statement. Would you care to back that up with solid evidence?

Posted by: Wishbone at July 21, 2008 1:35 PM

Even some of the naivest Westerners are beginning to notice -- no matter how much they'd prefer to look away, with all the hatred spewing forth from Islam, with all the misbehavior of all those misunderstanders, one must begin to ask some questions which go against their preconceived dogma about how the world is.

One question that must be asked: Why are Muslims so determined to exterminate us from the planet?

Could it possibly be that our sheer existence, our stunning success in the world, made all the more humiliating by Muslim's complete failure to contribute anything of value to civilzation, makes them hate us?

Once one asks that, other questions might spring to mind...

How do seething Muslims feel, fed as they are on bitterest bile from their earliest moments on earth, how must they feel as they compare themselves to us, they with all their hatred and rage and failures, and we lacking so conspicuously in hatred by comparison?

What must they feel when they look at the shattered wastelands of their Islamic homelands, when they gaze upon the desiccated filth of their sewage filled streets in virtually every dirty little town they inhabit? What must it be like wallowing in the omnipresence of Islam with all that it has brought or failed to bring? What rage must they feel when they compare all that humiliating failure to our successes, to our happiness in the world, and our prosperity? What do they feel when they know we trenchantly reject their Islam?

Is this what makes them so furious?

Does their complete inability to face the failures in themselves, does the humiliation that must engender allow them to project that rage onto us, and accuse us of all the crimes and atrocities they dream about inflicting on us, and which many of them actually succeed at inflicting?

Is that the reason they celebrate baby killers in Lebanon, or hand out candies and ululate insanely when planes are flown into infidel skycsrapers by pious Muslim shahids?

Is our existence and success without Islam proof positive that their system is an utter failure? Do they know this full well on some level of consciousness?

Is this the reason Muslims would prefer to annihilate and subjugate us, rather than confront that catastrophic ugliness of their all encompassing "religion"?

Why do Muslims prefer to plow us under, why would they prefer to shatter the unflattering mirror we hold up? Is it possible that their incompetence and lack as human beings is so gargantuan due to their degradation under the yoke of Islam that it's better in their minds to see us genocidally eliminated rather than facing the challeng they're clearly not up to in confronting the cancers eating their souls?

Posted by: jsla at July 21, 2008 1:42 PM

islam is more than a public nuisance. It's a public menace.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 21, 2008 1:49 PM

...but the contempt Muslims feel for us means that little things like mass murder are truly nuisances...

Jsla

The feeling is mutual I'm sure.

Posted by: Spot on at July 21, 2008 3:42 PM

I hope these suspects are charged with conspiracy to committ murder and acts of terrorism. To me, committing a public nuissance is too mild a charge.

Posted by: Christian at July 21, 2008 5:56 PM

I would like to ammend the complaint...muslims are the public nuisance and they were conspiring to commit murder. Thank you your honor.

Posted by: pismopal at July 21, 2008 7:06 PM

Having your airplane blown up, that is just SO annoying!

Posted by: Martin at July 21, 2008 7:07 PM

I had just flown to LA from London when the news broke on the planet about the bombers. I had to go through one of the most rigorous searches ever. My baggage was searched through for three hours. I told the officer who was standing by why he was keeping me at the airport. He had one look at my Afghan Passport and said, "We're just trying to make sure you are not a terrorist."

I didn't get angry. He had every right to do what he was doing. Killing non-Muslims for these people is like taking a bit from a donut. Killing a few other Muslims with the the other non-Muslims is when the donut is slightly stale. It's still good!

Posted by: AtheistAfghan at July 21, 2008 7:09 PM

From the article: "two British Muslims accused of plotting to blow up an airliner have admitted conspiring to commit public nuisance."

What this sentence - which appears, on the face of it, to be the Mother of All British Understatements - in fact seems to mean, is that while they flatly DENY plotting to blow up planes, they HAVE admitted to making threats of a more general nature:

"They have pleaded guilty to distributing al Qaida-style videos threatening suicide bomb attacks in Britain."

It is *this* activity - distributing threatening videos - which seems to be the "public nuisance".

UK jihadwatchers...perhaps, this coming Guy Fawkes Day, the 'Old Guy' should have some company, if not in the wheelbarrow (depending on the neighbourhood) but certainly in the bonfire- a clutch of turbanned or be-capped and bearded and pyjama-ed effigies, representing the latest batch of wannabe jihadi suicide assassins to have stood trial in Britain.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 22, 2008 11:21 PM

jsla

You wrote:

"Does their [the Muslims'] complete inability to face the failures in themselves, does the humiliation that must engender allow them to project that rage onto us, and accuse us of all the crimes and atrocities they dream about inflicting on us, and which many of them actually succeed at inflicting?

And again:
"Is this the reason Muslims would prefer to annihilate and subjugate us, rather than confront that catastrophic ugliness of their all encompassing "religion"?

"Why do Muslims prefer to plow us under, why would they prefer to shatter the unflattering mirror we hold up? Is it possible that their incompetence and lack as human beings is so gargantuan due to their degradation under the yoke of Islam that it's better in their minds to see us genocidally eliminated rather than facing the challeng they're clearly not up to in confronting the cancers eating their souls?"

I think you may be right, in spades.

Have you read psychologist M Scott Peck's book, "People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil"? Several times in the past few years I have recommended it to people here, because of the eerie way in which Peck's tentative mapping of the dynamics of what he calls "the evil personality" illuminates so much that is discernible in the texts of Islam and in the behaviour of many Mohammedan persons and groups.

In the chapter "Towards a Psychology of Evil', Peck argues that one of the distinguishing marks of true evil is the refusal to acknowledge that one has ever done, or could do, wrong.

"It is not their sins per se that characterize evil people, rather it is the subtlety and persistence and consistency of their sin. This is because the central defect of the evil is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it".

A little later on, he writes: "...those who have 'crossed over the line' are characterized by their *absolute* refusal to tolerate the sense of their own sinfulness".

Then: "a predominant characteristic, however, of the behaviour of those I call evil, is scapegoating. Because in their hearts they consider themselves above reproach, they must lash out at anyone who does reproach them. They sacrifice others to preserve their self-image of perfection".

{'Honor' murderers, anyone?}

And Peck observes:

"Scapegoating works through a mechanism psychiatrists call projection. Since the evil, deep down, feel themselves to be faultless, it is inevitable that when they are in conflict with the world, they will invariably perceive the conflict as the world's fault.

"Since they must deny their own badness, they must perceive others as bad. They *project* their own evil onto the world. They never think of themselves as evil; on the other hand,they consequently see much evil in others."

Furthermore:

"Evil, then, is most often committed in order to scapegoat, and the people I label as evil are chronic scapegoaters. In The Road Less Travelled I defined evil as 'the exercise of political power - that is, the imposition of one's will upon others by overt or covert coercion - in order to avoid...spiritual growth'.

"In other words, the evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Spiritual growth requires the acknowledgement of one's need to grow. If we cannot make this acknowledgement, we have no option except to attempt to eradicate the evidence of our imperfection".

And he concludes the thought:

"Strangely enough, evil people are often destructive because they are attempting to destroy evil. The problem is that they misplace the locus of the evil. Instead of destroying others, they should be destroying the sickness within themselves.

"As life often threatens their self-image of perfection, they are often busily engaged in hating and destroying that life - usually in the name of righteousness."

And so on, and so on: the whole chapter is worth reading, indeed, the whole book, all the more so because Islam is not even the tiniest blip on Peck's radar screen, he developed his 'psychology of evil' through painful practical experience with a selection of respectable middle class Americans (e.g. read the chapter 'Charlene: A Teaching Case').

But everything he says throws a searing light on, for example, taqiyya and tu quoque.

I think it would be very interesting to obtain Ali Sina's book about the figure of Mohammed, and read it side by side with Peck's 'People of the Lie', and Wafa Sultan's "When God Is A Monster".

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 22, 2008 11:51 PM