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July 29, 2008

Ahmadinejad says "big powers" are "going down," blames them for AIDS, criticizes indictment of Sudanese president for genocide

Playing the blame game like a pro. "Ahmadinejad blames West for AIDS," from the Associated Press, July 29:

Iran's president on Tuesday blamed the US and other "big powers" for nuclear proliferation, AIDS and other global ills and accused them of exploiting the UN and other organizations for their own gain - and the developing world's loss.

Projection Alert -- more about the Non-Aligned Movement below.

But, he said, time was on the poor countries' side.
"The big powers are going down," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told foreign ministers of the Nonaligned Movement meeting in Teheran. "They have come to the end of their power, and the world is on the verge of entering a new, promising era."
Specifically, he criticized the indictment of Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir by an international prosecutor on charges of genocide in Darfur.
Instead, he said the International Criminal Court's prosecutor, who indicted Bashir on July 14, should instead press charges against Israeli leaders for assassinating opponents and imposing a food and medicine blockade against Palestinians.
He also warned that US attempts to reach an agreement with the Iraqi government over the future presence of American troops in the country, "will undermine the independence and rights of the people of Iraq."
Ahmadinejad's comments fit both the venue and occasion of the meeting.
The more than 100-member NAM is made up of such diverse members as communist Cuba, Jamaica and India and depicts itself as bloc-free. But most members share a critical view of the US and the developed world in general. And with Iran assuming the chairmanship of the conference Tuesday, Ahmadinejad's keynote speech was tailored to reflect the struggle that some NAM members see themselves in against the world's rich and powerful countries. [...]

The Non-Aligned Movement is left over from the Cold War and refers to non-alignment (often in name only) with United States' and Soviet Union's respective spheres of influence. It is worth noting that among the NAM's current 118 members are nearly all of the 57 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. That amount of, well, alignment, cannot be discounted.

While only infrequently mentioning the US by name Tuesday, Ahmadinejad made clear that he blamed Washington and its allies for trying to "impose their political will on nations and governments."
He accused the great powers of "fomenting discord .... to intensify the military and arms race" so they can feed their arms industries. AIDS, he said, also was the result of world conditions "imposed by big powers." [...]
"If the United Nations and the Security Council ... were supposed to deal with the problems of the world ... we would not have a problem called Palestine," he declared, in indirect criticism of the creation of Israel 60 years ago.

Posted by Marisol at July 29, 2008 1:43 PM
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meh, we've been accused of creating AIDS and other global ills before. Wake me up when he gets some originality.

Given enough time, every "big power" goes down eventually, but from within (we're getting there Mahmoud, don't worry about it,) and not from without.

His problem is that some places will just never rise to that status. Give it up, you're not Persia anymore, you lost all hope when your friend Muhammed ran around setting billions up for failure for centuries to come.

Posted by: Grafted [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 2:15 PM

Membership in the NAM should render a country ineligible for foreign aid. Indeed, members should shun such aid from countries they won't join in the fight against totalitarianism.
They want to stand alone, so let them.

Globalization should not touch them. Western countries should stop shipping jobs to nations that have decided they're too good to stand with us.

The revolution and subsequent theocracy have done more damage to Iran than the shah ever did. Not even $100 per barrel oil can help them. $50 per barrel would have been a windfall. Iran should be swimming in cash and the people should be enjoying a high standard of living. That they aren't is not the doing of the West.

Posted by: PMK [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 2:45 PM

Oh, the "US is responsible for AIDS" thing again?

Hey Robert, you need to put up a picture of Ahmadinejad smiling next to Jeremiah Wright! LOL

Posted by: Lori B. [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 3:15 PM

I's a shame we have to listen to this lie(n) SOB and his Islamic terrorist empire.

Posted by: Spot on [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 3:19 PM

Ahmadouchebag blamming the West for HIV? No surprise here. Remember he's playing to his audience in the Arab/Muslim world, where the most insane conspiracies are believed to be stone cold reality. And in many parts of Europe, too. Especially if the one to blame is Israel / USA / West.

Posted by: Proud Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 3:21 PM

There was some rain this morning just when I wanted to wash the car. Must be the superpowers fault.

Posted by: FreeSpeech [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 3:32 PM

I'd go one step further than PMK - declare the 'Non-Aligned Movement' the enemy, and start treating their members the way members of the Warsaw Pact/COMECON were treated during the Cold War. E.g. Tell India that the nuke deal is off, unless they quit the movement (it should be easier now, since the Marxists have quit the ruling alliance). That way, on a bilateral basis, peel off support for the movement, until all that's left is the Left and Islamic members.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 3:32 PM

"Iran's president on Tuesday blamed the US and other "big powers" for nuclear proliferation,"

By the way, who's developing a nuclear program?

"While only infrequently mentioning the US by name Tuesday, Ahmadinejad made clear that he blamed Washington and its allies for trying to "impose their political will on nations and governments."

Impose their will - yep Islam, in everything, in western culture, in government, to the point where appeasement is rabid and free speech is now blasphemous.

"He accused the great powers of "fomenting discord .... to intensify the military and arms race" so they can feed their arms industries. AIDS, he said, also was the result of world conditions "imposed by big powers."

fomenting discord? like wiping Israekl off the map?

Arms race - yep, Iran, Hezbo, Hamas & all the Pals

Projection indeed. He's a master at it.

All the above characterizes what he and Iran and Islamists are doing precisely. Wise up infidels!

Posted by: Sounder [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 4:11 PM

Kind of laying it thick, aren't you, Beasty Boy?

Posted by: Narrator 1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 4:24 PM

It is silly the non Aligned Movement is aligned after all they are Aligned with one another.

Posted by: savsiv [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 4:48 PM

This makes me wonder just how high the HIV-AIDS infection rate *is* in Iran. Betcha it's through the roof.

They deny that they have prostitution, and they deny that they have homosexuals...in Iran, the country that produced "The Perfumed Garden"(!!). They deny that they have people who take drugs.

Oh yeah, suuure.

All denied, and swept under the carpet.

Add HIV-AIDS to an Islamic culture that is so pathologically devoted to the shame-honor paradigm that no-one will ever own up to failure or wrongdoing, or take responsibility for *anything*, and you have one lethal mixture.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 5:24 PM

Ahmadinejad says "big powers" are "going down"

Nearly right, "big powers" are "coming down"

Just look up one of these days and you will see them " coming down"

And you won't be able to run fast enough.

Posted by: Dsinc [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 5:31 PM

Another thought - I'll tell you why Ahmadinejad's so agitated about the indictment of Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir by an international prosecutor on charges of genocide in Darfur.

The Australian Prime Minister has been looking at whether charges of *incitement* to genocide can be brought against Ahmadinejad.

See, for example, the following article from the late May edition of the Australian Jewish News:

http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=5516

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 5:36 PM

Hi Folks,,

This just out on Newsmax,, more about Iran and their nuke,,

>>>

U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S.

Jul 29, 2008

Iran has carried out missile tests for what could be a plan for a nuclear strike on the United States, the head of a national security panel has warned.

>>>

read it all here,,

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/?s=al&promo_code=66D4-1


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"don't annoy the bikers"

Posted by: solsticewitch13 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 7:29 PM

Instead, he said the International Criminal Court's prosecutor, who indicted Bashir on July 14, should instead press charges against Israeli leaders for assassinating opponents and imposing a food and medicine blockade against Palestinians.
...................

This again illustrates an interesting phenomenon--Muslim-on-Muslim violence or oppression is rarely anything other than a local issue, while even the appearance of harming Muslims by any non-Muslim is an international issue, loudly condemned by all Muslim states.

That Israel is only closing crossings as a defensive measure, while trying their best to keep their own enemies fed and cared for in their own hospitals and at their own expense, does nothing to blunt Muslim fury against them.

That Bashir, in contrast, is carrying out a genocdal campaign against a Muslim population in his own country, is excused and minimized by other Muslim countries. The only ones who seem to care about the people of Darfur are those "filthy Kuffar", not their fellow Muslims.

more:

He also warned that US attempts to reach an agreement with the Iraqi government over the future presence of American troops in the country, "will undermine the independence and rights of the people of Iraq."
.....................

This is especially laughable. I have extremely mixed feelings about continued US presence in Iraq, but it is clear that Ahmadinejad's main concern is not the "independence and rights" of the Iraqi people, but a desire to give his own country a free hand there. Iran wants to see Iraq a client state, not a free country.


Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 8:00 PM

If the West is blamed for aids you can guess its all over iran like flys on poop! these pious muslims going around so morale and all with their iranian marriages of convience like a day or two hours for a quickie, you can better believe aids is in iran big time!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 8:14 PM

Interesting that Ahmedinejad and the Rev Wright of the Trinity Obama Church both blame AIDS on Western or White conspiracies. What's with that? Is there some kind of common denominator between leftwing preachers and jihadis re AIDS? Why AIDS? Hmmmmm........veddy, veddy intellesting....yeees..And how long have you been feeling that way, Mr. Ahmedinejad? Tell me about your mother. You found her attractive???

Posted by: jewdog [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 8:40 PM

International Criminal Court's prosecutor, who indicted Bashir on July 14, should instead press charges against Israeli leaders for assassinating opponents and imposing a food and medicine blockade against Palestinians.
THEN THE LEADERS OF HAMANS AND HEZBOLA SHOULD BE INDITED AS WELL FOR ATTACKING INNOCENT CIVILIANS

Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 9:03 PM

As to the Dinnerjacket ..someone should tell him to quit experimenting with the Chinese knockoffs for Viagra while preparing for the Great Satan to fall since he's visually attritting downwards from 5'4" and that his "head" (the object appearing on his shoulders) is visibly becoming a Kaiser helmet no matter how much Rogaine he rubs on his cheeks

Posted by: nodak [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 9:03 PM

"And with Iran assuming the chairmanship of the conference Tuesday ..."

... yep - a 3rd world nation with style.

One day we's gonna be top of the bottom!!

Posted by: Occupant [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 11:59 PM

Ahmadinejad says "Blah blah US bad. Blah blah
West bad. Blah blah blah nukes bad but we want em'." AND...Other assorted stupidities...

My reaction to this particular tantrum? Yawn...See ya in the Straits of Hormuz asshole.

Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.

Posted by: Alaskan [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2008 12:50 AM

solsticewitch13 ... not sure (and no bikers were injured)

The military has been using radiation-hardened semiconductors for quite some time now. I believe silicon-on-saphire was one of the first of these technologies, but that was quite a number of years ago. I'm guessing some technologies exist which one doesn't readily read about. The article you linked seemed to have a complete all-or-nothing attitude to it - as though all is lost with a single high-altitude EMP. (I hope you never prove me wrong)

The guy just sounded too alarmist to be entirely credible.

Pray, Hope, and don't worry.

Posted by: Occupant [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2008 1:41 AM

Didn't Muhammad cure AIDS by drinking Camel Urine?

Posted by: Xero G [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2008 2:40 AM

July 29, 2008
Ahmadinejad says "big powers" are "going down," blames them for AIDS, criticizes indictment of Sudanese president for genocide
Playing the blame game like a pro. "Ahmadinejad blames West for AIDS," from the Associated Press, July 29:

Iran's president on Tuesday blamed the US and other "big powers" for nuclear proliferation, AIDS and other global ills and accused them of exploiting the UN and other organizations for their own gain - and the developing world's loss.
Projection Alert -- more about the Non-Aligned Movement below.

But, he said, time was on the poor countries' side.
"The big powers are going down," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told foreign ministers of the Nonaligned Movement meeting in Teheran. "They have come to the end of their power, and the world is on the verge of entering a new, promising era."
Specifically, he criticized the indictment of Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir by an international prosecutor on charges of genocide in Darfur.
Instead, he said the International Criminal Court's prosecutor, who indicted Bashir on July 14, should instead press charges against Israeli leaders for assassinating opponents and imposing a food and medicine blockade against Palestinians.
He also warned that US attempts to reach an agreement with the Iraqi government over the future presence of American troops in the country, "will undermine the independence and rights of the people of Iraq."
Ahmadinejad's comments fit both the venue and occasion of the meeting.
The more than 100-member NAM is made up of such diverse members as communist Cuba, Jamaica and India and depicts itself as bloc-free. But most members share a critical view of the US and the developed world in general. And with Iran assuming the chairmanship of the conference Tuesday, Ahmadinejad's keynote speech was tailored to reflect the struggle that some NAM members see themselves in against the world's rich and powerful countries. [...]
The Non-Aligned Movement is left over from the Cold War and refers to non-alignment (often in name only) with United States' and Soviet Union's respective spheres of influence. It is worth noting that among the NAM's current 118 members are nearly all of the 57 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. That amount of, well, alignment, cannot be discounted.

While only infrequently mentioning the US by name Tuesday, Ahmadinejad made clear that he blamed Washington and its allies for trying to "impose their political will on nations and governments."
He accused the great powers of "fomenting discord .... to intensify the military and arms race" so they can feed their arms industries. AIDS, he said, also was the result of world conditions "imposed by big powers." [...]
"If the United Nations and the Security Council ... were supposed to deal with the problems of the world ... we would not have a problem called Palestine," he declared, in indirect criticism of the creation of Israel 60 years ago.
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meh, we've been accused of creating AIDS and other global ills before. Wake me up when he gets some originality.

Given enough time, every "big power" goes down eventually, but from within (we're getting there Mahmoud, don't worry about it,) and not from without.

His problem is that some places will just never rise to that status. Give it up, you're not Persia anymore, you lost all hope when your friend Muhammed ran around setting billions up for failure for centuries to come.

Posted by: Grafted at July 29, 2008 2:15 PM
Membership in the NAM should render a country ineligible for foreign aid. Indeed, members should shun such aid from countries they won't join in the fight against totalitarianism.
They want to stand alone, so let them.

Globalization should not touch them. Western countries should stop shipping jobs to nations that have decided they're too good to stand with us.

The revolution and subsequent theocracy have done more damage to Iran than the shah ever did. Not even $100 per barrel oil can help them. $50 per barrel would have been a windfall. Iran should be swimming in cash and the people should be enjoying a high standard of living. That they aren't is not the doing of the West.

Posted by: PMK at July 29, 2008 2:45 PM
Oh, the "US is responsible for AIDS" thing again?

Hey Robert, you need to put up a picture of Ahmadinejad smiling next to Jeremiah Wright! LOL

Posted by: Lori B. at July 29, 2008 3:15 PM
I's a shame we have to listen to this lie(n) SOB and his Islamic terrorist empire.

Posted by: Spot on at July 29, 2008 3:19 PM
Ahmadouchebag blamming the West for HIV? No surprise here. Remember he's playing to his audience in the Arab/Muslim world, where the most insane conspiracies are believed to be stone cold reality. And in many parts of Europe, too. Especially if the one to blame is Israel / USA / West.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at July 29, 2008 3:21 PM
There was some rain this morning just when I wanted to wash the car. Must be the superpowers fault.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at July 29, 2008 3:32 PM
I'd go one step further than PMK - declare the 'Non-Aligned Movement' the enemy, and start treating their members the way members of the Warsaw Pact/COMECON were treated during the Cold War. E.g. Tell India that the nuke deal is off, unless they quit the movement (it should be easier now, since the Marxists have quit the ruling alliance). That way, on a bilateral basis, peel off support for the movement, until all that's left is the Left and Islamic members.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 29, 2008 3:32 PM
"Iran's president on Tuesday blamed the US and other "big powers" for nuclear proliferation,"

By the way, who's developing a nuclear program?

"While only infrequently mentioning the US by name Tuesday, Ahmadinejad made clear that he blamed Washington and its allies for trying to "impose their political will on nations and governments."

Impose their will - yep Islam, in everything, in western culture, in government, to the point where appeasement is rabid and free speech is now blasphemous.

"He accused the great powers of "fomenting discord .... to intensify the military and arms race" so they can feed their arms industries. AIDS, he said, also was the result of world conditions "imposed by big powers."

fomenting discord? like wiping Israekl off the map?

Arms race - yep, Iran, Hezbo, Hamas & all the Pals

Projection indeed. He's a master at it.

All the above characterizes what he and Iran and Islamists are doing precisely. Wise up infidels!

Posted by: Sounder at July 29, 2008 4:11 PM
Kind of laying it thick, aren't you, Beasty Boy?

Posted by: Narrator 1 at July 29, 2008 4:24 PM
It is silly the non Aligned Movement is aligned after all they are Aligned with one another.

Posted by: savsiv at July 29, 2008 4:48 PM
This makes me wonder just how high the HIV-AIDS infection rate *is* in Iran. Betcha it's through the roof.

They deny that they have prostitution, and they deny that they have homosexuals...in Iran, the country that produced "The Perfumed Garden"(!!). They deny that they have people who take drugs.

Oh yeah, suuure.

All denied, and swept under the carpet.

Add HIV-AIDS to an Islamic culture that is so pathologically devoted to the shame-honor paradigm that no-one will ever own up to failure or wrongdoing, or take responsibility for *anything*, and you have one lethal mixture.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 29, 2008 5:24 PM
Ahmadinejad says "big powers" are "going down"

Nearly right, "big powers" are "coming down"

Just look up one of these days and you will see them " coming down"

And you won't be able to run fast enough.

Posted by: Dsinc at July 29, 2008 5:31 PM
Another thought - I'll tell you why Ahmadinejad's so agitated about the indictment of Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir by an international prosecutor on charges of genocide in Darfur.

The Australian Prime Minister has been looking at whether charges of *incitement* to genocide can be brought against Ahmadinejad.

See, for example, the following article from the late May edition of the Australian Jewish News:

http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=5516


Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 29, 2008 5:36 PM
Hi Folks,,

This just out on Newsmax,, more about Iran and their nuke,,

>>>

U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S.

Jul 29, 2008

Iran has carried out missile tests for what could be a plan for a nuclear strike on the United States, the head of a national security panel has warned.

>>>

read it all here,,

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/?s=al&promo_code=66D4-1


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solsticewitch13
"don't annoy the bikers"

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at July 29, 2008 7:29 PM
Instead, he said the International Criminal Court's prosecutor, who indicted Bashir on July 14, should instead press charges against Israeli leaders for assassinating opponents and imposing a food and medicine blockade against Palestinians.
...................

This again illustrates an interesting phenomenon--Muslim-on-Muslim violence or oppression is rarely anything other than a local issue, while even the appearance of harming Muslims by any non-Muslim is an international issue, loudly condemned by all Muslim states.

That Israel is only closing crossings as a defensive measure, while trying their best to keep their own enemies fed and cared for in their own hospitals and at their own expense, does nothing to blunt Muslim fury against them.

That Bashir, in contrast, is carrying out a genocdal campaign against a Muslim population in his own country, is excused and minimized by other Muslim countries. The only ones who seem to care about the people of Darfur are those "filthy Kuffar", not their fellow Muslims.

more:

He also warned that US attempts to reach an agreement with the Iraqi government over the future presence of American troops in the country, "will undermine the independence and rights of the people of Iraq."
.....................

This is especially laughable. I have extremely mixed feelings about continued US presence in Iraq, but it is clear that Ahmadinejad's main concern is not the "independence and rights" of the Iraqi people, but a desire to give his own country a free hand there. Iran wants to see Iraq a client state, not a free country.


Posted by: gravenimage at July 29, 2008 8:00 PM
If the West is blamed for aids you can guess its all over iran like flys on poop! these pious muslims going around so morale and all with their iranian marriages of convience like a day or two hours for a quickie, you can better believe aids is in iran big time!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 29, 2008 8:14 PM
Interesting that Ahmedinejad and the Rev Wright of the Trinity Obama Church both blame AIDS on Western or White conspiracies. What's with that? Is there some kind of common denominator between leftwing preachers and jihadis re AIDS? Why AIDS? Hmmmmm........veddy, veddy intellesting....yeees..And how long have you been feeling that way, Mr. Ahmedinejad? Tell me about your mother. You found her attractive???

Posted by: jewdog at July 29, 2008 8:40 PM
International Criminal Court's prosecutor, who indicted Bashir on July 14, should instead press charges against Israeli leaders for assassinating opponents and imposing a food and medicine blockade against Palestinians.
THEN THE LEADERS OF HAMANS AND HEZBOLA SHOULD BE INDITED AS WELL FOR ATTACKING INNOCENT CIVILIANS

Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at July 29, 2008 9:03 PM
As to the Dinnerjacket ..someone should tell him to quit experimenting with the Chinese knockoffs for Viagra while preparing for the Great Satan to fall since he's visually attritting downwards from 5'4" and that his "head" (the object appearing on his shoulders) is visibly becoming a Kaiser helmet no matter how much Rogaine he rubs on his cheeks

Posted by: nodak at July 29, 2008 9:03 PM
"And with Iran assuming the chairmanship of the conference Tuesday ..."

... yep - a 3rd world nation with style.

One day we's gonna be top of the bottom!!

Posted by: Occupant at July 29, 2008 11:59 PM
Ahmadinejad says "Blah blah US bad. Blah blah
West bad. Blah blah blah nukes bad but we want em'." AND...Other assorted stupidities...

My reaction to this particular tantrum? Yawn...See ya in the Straits of Hormuz asshole.

Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.

Posted by: Alaskan at July 30, 2008 12:50 AM
>>>solsticewitch13 ... not sure (and no bikers were injured)

The military has been using radiation-hardened semiconductors for quite some time now. I believe silicon-on-saphire was one of the first of these technologies, but that was quite a number of years ago. I'm guessing some technologies exist which one doesn't readily read about. The article you linked seemed to have a complete all-or-nothing attitude to it - as though all is lost with a single high-altitude EMP. (I hope you never prove me wrong)

The guy just sounded too alarmist to be entirely credible.

Pray, Hope, and don't worry.

Posted by: Occupant
>>>

Hi Occupant,,

I sure hope it never happens, and the article is proved wrong.

Hope to never prove you wrong either,,

SMILES!!!

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solsticewitch13
"don't annoy the bikers"

Posted by: solsticewitch13 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2008 6:21 AM

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