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In preparation for the jihad against Dar al-Harb. More on this story. "UK faces threat from British Muslims returning from Afghan" from the Economic Times, August 3:
LONDON: The UK faces serious security threat from British Muslim extremists returning from Afghanistan after fighting alongside Taliban, a top British commander has said.
"There is a link between Kandahar and urban conurbations in the UK," said Brig. Ed Butler, who spent six months commanding British forces in Afghanistan."There are British passport holders, who live in the UK, being found in places like Kandahar," Brig Butler was quoted as saying by a daily newspaper.
The British commander said he had seen evidence that terror groups based in southern Afghanistan were plotting with Muslim extremists in Britain to carry out attacks in the UK.
He suggested the traffic between Britain and Afghanistan may flow in both directions, with some British Muslims returning from the region and posing a domestic security threat. British Muslims are part of the Taliban militia fighting against UK security forces in Afghanistan, the top British commander said.
According to the report, a Whitehall source confirmed that the UK security services are aware of some radicalized British Muslims returning to the UK from Afghanistan.
"There are very small numbers of British citizens traveling out there, being trained up and then returning to the UK," the source said.
Western intelligence agencies have expressed concerns that Afghanistan and its lawless border with Pakistan are housing camps used by Jihadi groups to train radicals from the Western countries.
Earlier this year, Nigel Inkster, a former deputy head of MI6, warned that Taliban groups over the border in Pakistan have "dispatched terrorists to a number of locations including Spain and the United Kingdom," the report said.
Posted by Raymond at August 3, 2008 8:05 AM
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Oh my! British Muslims returning from Afghanistan! Wow I wonder when they go there do they need visas to enter Afghanistan? With a EU passport as Chertof said this will become a problem for the US, since EU passport holders can enter the US without a visa for a limited time.
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at August 3, 2008 8:22 AM
Until the ruling elites and msm types name the enemy our borders will be porous with islmaists pouring into our Western countries. These MSM types are very far left liberal and ingrained into their heads are so anti US/Western that it might take a generation to get rid of the ruling baby boomers ruling elites. We need more cartoons to agitate the homegrown islamists in order to help the MSM identify them as the enemy. even the destructions from 9-11 did not wake them up, perhaps a few more brave editors who can publish more cartoons will hasten our MSM.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 3, 2008 8:39 AM
They're just figuring this out?
If British Muslims are being trained in Afghanistan, what about American Muslims? If they're not there already, they can't be far behind.
Posted by: PMK at August 3, 2008 9:27 AM
PMK-
"If British Muslims are being trained in Afghanistan, what about American Muslims? If they're not there already, they can't be far behind."
Why should they? They're training here.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 3, 2008 9:36 AM
As i am also British i think they should automatically be detained and tried for treason then hanged on re-entry to the country. the same for any American Muslims that come back with possible blood on their hands. If they want to go and fight that's the risk they take but no way should we let these same people that have been attempting to kill our soldiers free passage to-and-fro :/
Posted by: Sm0kA at August 3, 2008 10:24 AM
poetcomic1,
There are some things you can't train for outside of the military or a war zone without others noticing. How many roadside bombs have been set here recently?
Posted by: PMK at August 3, 2008 10:35 AM
testing
Posted by: RebeccaNER at August 3, 2008 10:47 AM
PMK -
Road bombs and guerrilla warfare are not the skills Islam needs in the West anyway. Terror targeting, bomb chemistry, practice runs on airplanes, use of firearms. All are going on here and now. The best Jihad training of all is going on in our University science departments and hi-tech labs and yes Saudi students are STILL coming here and openly learning to fly jets.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 3, 2008 11:26 AM
If they are successful with an attack, then muslims all over the UK will probably be attacked at random.
The security services had their hands full stopping the violence against muslims after 7/7.
at August 3, 2008 11:34 AM
Earlier coverage here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022046.php
Posted by: MarisolJW at August 3, 2008 11:49 AM
Ken CleanAirSystem
"The security services had their hands full stopping the violence against muslims after 7/7"
Any details? I know the censorship is very tight in Britain. Imprisonment and the destruction of careers are normal for saying or publishing anything that "Damages community relations" but there has been nothing in the MSM.
Posted by: Fred at August 3, 2008 12:25 PM
Mention Afghanistan jihadis and Pakistan is implicated. Mention Iraqi jihadis and Iran and Syria are implicated. Now it's Europe that's involved.
Where there's smoke, there's Islam.
at August 3, 2008 1:34 PM
Troll alert:
Ken CleanAirSystem
"The security services had their hands full stopping the violence against muslims after 7/7"
No they did not, there was zero violence against Muslims following 7/7 as you well know. None. Not one incident.
Posted by: Dirty Kuffar at August 3, 2008 1:39 PM
The fool and his country will soon be parted...
Expect everything, be surprised at nothing, be prepared for anything.
Islam, who is at war with dar al-harb, has no moral compass, or the one they do have is broken. Islam can only be beaten into submission, not by brute force alone, but by the whip of truth.
We already see how they recoil and react before truth...They can't defeat it, so they attempt to control or outlaw it. More truth is required...layers of it, until Islam is smothered.
The famous truth tellers of dar al-harb should not stand alone, but joined by ever growing numbers of truth tellers. As this happens the opposition also grows in response, but the supporters of lies, have not the intestinal fortitude of the truth tellers.
A lie is supported by internal rot and soon decays. Islam realizes this also,
thats why taqiyya and terrorism...they are the real pillars of Islam...Without those, Islam falls into utter disrepair...Western authorities get the terrorism part (sort of), but fail the taqiyya test.
They need reality therapy, the cure for taqiyya intoxication. They wont get that from muslims, only from the truth tellers of dar al-harb...
Those who are deep into taqiyya intoxication need recovery or replacement. Which is almost the whole British and US governments.
Stop importing trouble...start exporting trouble makers.
at August 3, 2008 1:40 PM
Bottom line here for Britain and all the West is that until Islam, all of Islam, is seen as the enemy, erosion of the West will continue. There is no good Islam just as there is no good cancer. It's just that cancer is more easily discernible as a negative than is Islam.
Posted by: Wellington at August 3, 2008 2:25 PM
Chickens coming home to roost?
If you tolerate Nazis, you get concentration camps. If you tolerate radical Islamists, you get jihad.
'Nuff said.
Posted by: tanstaafl at August 3, 2008 3:16 PM
In the late 1980's a paki mullah was detained at Heathrow. He had in his possession photos of himself in uniform, holding weapons, in the company of others doing the same.
My memory is a bit sketchy but I think he may have been detained on a tip of from the Indians.
His lawyers got him released because they played the "freedom fighter/fear of torture/can't trust the Indians" card.
Unfortunatly these bastards have been tolerated for too long.
We need an alliance USA/UK/Israel/Russia/China/India/Serbia/Greece/anyone willing.
This is going to get worse.
Posted by: apostate_islam at August 3, 2008 3:24 PM
Bottom line here for Britain and all the West is that until Islam, all of Islam, is seen as the enemy, erosion of the West will continue.
if only we had politicians who could speak those words...
Posted by: theygottago at August 3, 2008 4:34 PM
Relax people, these guys were just enjoying a Club 18-30 break to the world class hotspots of Kandahar.
Like other Brit holidaymakers they spent most of the time completely bladdered and lying around in gutters. The rest of the time they spent trawling the seedier side of town looking for a shag.
Its seems to be a common outing for folk of a particular religious persuasion in Britain these days, hey - you can even end up bringing back a new wife or two to increase the benefit claim.
All this talk about learning to use a kalashnikov and construct body belt bombs is plain rubbish. How could such a mirthful and even-tempered group even consider such things.
We will no doubt be getting out the flags to celebrate each successful return.
Posted by: idiotboy at August 3, 2008 5:26 PM
"Taliban-trained Muslims infiltrating Britain"
Taliban-trained Muslims infiltrating ___________"
Your country/town can just as easily be named here, too.
Posted by: champ at August 3, 2008 6:13 PM
Last thursday I commented about how I love America.
I added that the Taliban have a stronger stomach constitution than us and that if we had to fight them in in Alabama or Montana ...that possibly we would lose that contest.
Now quite obviously my foresight at that juncture (only 4 days ago mind) was ridculed and laughed out of JW.
Now the postee "Mr Champ" agrees that soon fighting the rough and tough Taliban in Alabama would be quite in order.
Albert strongly backed the Alabama folks suggesting a clear victory...but I shiver and shudder at the Taliban fighting skills and their abandon of life in their cause.
Add to this the chronic obesity problem of Alabama (together with the likes of Huston, Texas etc), I mean can you trust people who do not even show knuckles when clenching their fist.
These people will run out of puff simply by picking up their weapon and trying to run and hide for cover....it gives new meaning to the weekly documentry called "the biggest loser".
I genuinely fear for our future and mean no disrespect to Alabama.
However you would not want me to lie about the future would you?...after all I have been proved right about a particulare point in only 4 days.
Fred
at August 3, 2008 6:58 PM
hindenberg: You're underestimating a hell of lot of the folks from Alabama-----and every other state as well. Two points to consider in addition to this: 1) Particularly impressive are the best 10-20% or so of Americans. These particular folks will never hide, never give up. 2) I had a conversation with a Vietnam Veteran from West Virginia several years ago. I'll never forget what he said and it was this: The American soldier is the deadliest animal on earth; it can kill anything.
I agree with this veteran's assessment and should Taliban types start operating in America it is a certainty that we will employ our military here against them. The Islamic terrorists will have no chance after that. And don't forget about all those non-military folks I mentioned above and whom I'm certain you are underestimating. They're do just fine as well. I obviously believe in America and Americans more than you do. Bet most who post here do too.
Posted by: Wellington at August 3, 2008 7:24 PM
The dhimmi-kafir-multi-culti-self-annointed-elites running UK and UK's MSM and intelligence are actually publically admitting that there might be a problem with "the religion of peace"?!?
Now what will they do about it?
NOTHING!
(do stand by for street-intifada to keep the uppitty UK kafir-dhimmis in line)
at August 3, 2008 8:21 PM
From above: Now the postee "Mr Champ" agrees that soon fighting the rough and tough Taliban in Alabama would be quite in order.
I think that is 'Mrs Champ'...I agree with Wellington.
Posted by: duh_swami at August 3, 2008 8:23 PM
Thanks, duh_swami, my friend! :-)
Posted by: champ at August 3, 2008 9:06 PM
"Taliban-trained Muslims infiltrating Britain"
Taliban-trained Muslims infiltrating ___________"
Your country/town can just as easily be named here, too.
Posted by: champ
SLIGHT REVISION:
Excluding Alabama.
Posted by: champ at August 3, 2008 9:08 PM
Why should they? They're training here.
Posted by: poetcomic1
--
Yep.. islamberg right here in Noo Yawk state. We got a guv here who's blind to the fact. Sorry if that's an offensive joke.
The - often willful - blindness of our POLOticians will cost a whole lot of people a whole lot more than just their eyesight.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at August 3, 2008 9:32 PM
Ummah Gummah: There were (are?) Islamic nutjobs "training" in Sherman, Pennsylvania too, up in the Commonwealth's northeast corner in Wayne county. My guess is the FBI (and perhaps the IRS as well) is keeping an eye on these would be enthusiasts for Allah and Mohammed.
duh_swami: Wonder if you're waiting, as I am, for hindenberg's rejoinder. Wonder if he will. Wonder what it might be. Hey, hindenberg, I'm waiting. I think others are too. Give it a shot.
Posted by: Wellington at August 3, 2008 9:47 PM
Champ,
Sorry to disagree, but your:
"Taliban-trained Muslims infiltrating Britain"Taliban-trained Muslims infiltrating ___________"
Your country/town can just as easily be named here, too.
Posted by: champ
SLIGHT REVISION:
Excluding Alabama.
Includes Alabama, and all of our dominions and possessions, in spite of what that moron "Hindenberg" says.
Huston? Houston, we have a problem.
Posted by: boneshack at August 3, 2008 10:35 PM
Looks like hindenberg is going down in flames..
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at August 3, 2008 10:50 PM
..and then I saw a passport and the passport said to me.. look.. there's a moslem hiding behind me.. gee.. what next?
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at August 3, 2008 11:01 PM
Time to outlaw the following in the UK, as well as the USA:
the "most holy" Quran
the aHadith
the Sira
Or else the 1,375 year war will continue.
Until one day, when they get the upper hand,
and it will be over.
For us.
at August 3, 2008 11:08 PM
Boneshack,
"Excluding Alabama" was suppose to be an inside joke for Fred. Looks like I'm the only one who got it, though.
Posted by: champ at August 3, 2008 11:11 PM
Ummah,
Too funny! But not like this.
Our man Hindenberg said that...
I added that the Taliban have a stronger stomach constitution than us and that if we had to fight them in in Alabama or Montana ...that possibly we would lose that contest.
Beg to differ. Our American poseur seems to forget an awful lot about American history, and American subculture.
Now quite obviously my foresight at that juncture (only 4 days ago mind) was ridiculed and laughed out of JW.
As it rightfully should have have been.
If any islamist group wants to or begins to start a fight in ANY State, they will have picked the wrong fight.
Hindenberg: I will be glad to provide a "translation" of the above statement off-line, if you missed my meaning.
Good night.
Posted by: boneshack at August 3, 2008 11:16 PM
Sorry, Champ! You're right. The "/sarc" alert didn't flash on my computer when reading that.
I'll go stand in the corner for an hour!
at August 3, 2008 11:20 PM
“I added that the Taliban have a stronger stomach constitution than us and that if we had to fight them in in Alabama or Montana ...that possibly we would lose that contest.”
Cry HAVOC then!
And let loose the Infidel Dogs of Dar al Harb!
DEUS VULT!!
at August 4, 2008 1:13 AM
champ
I think you mean hindenberg, I am the real Fred do not be deceived by imitations!
BTW When the first jihadis were brought back to Britain the people in their hometown at Tipton in Staffordshire were none too sympathetic. Censorship is very strong in the UK so there was no written report just a blurred photograph in the Sunday Times of firemen removing a dummy in an orange jump suit from a lamppost.
Of course the BBC did an hour long TV special about them. They explained how they were just some ordinary British lads who stayed in a radical madrassa to save hotel bills and went into Afganistan to do humanitarian work.
You can see why the BBC is now regarded with contempt and occasionally called the B******t Broadcasting Corporation.
at August 4, 2008 4:12 AM
theygottago:
"Bottom line here for Britain and all the West is that until Islam, all of Islam, is seen as the enemy, erosion of the West will continue.
if only we had politicians who could speak those words..."
Any UK politician saying such a thing would find their career ended before the day was out. Haven't you heard? Criticism of Islam means you're a neo-Nazi.
Our best hope lies with people like the Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, who talked about no-go areas for non-Muslims. Being Asian himself, the good Bishop cannot be accused of racism.
Posted by: watling at August 4, 2008 4:55 AM
My sincere apologies to you "Mrs" Champ....an error of judgement that I hope you will forgive me for. It is rare for a woman to champion war heroics...mostly they just cry....I feel you will easily see how I made this simple my error.
@Wellington
I see your point about the 20% (although I suspect it is more accurately about 6-10% and diminishing).
Ofcourse the hindus had their 10-20% too. In their caste system they had the "Shatris"...the warrior caste who were to protect the rest...the farmer caste, the cleaner caste, the (hated Bharmin) religious caste etc.
When Islam introduced itself to the hindus, Prithviraj led hindus to victory against Muhammad Ghori in the 1st battle. In the 2nd battle under severe pressure Prithviraj asked the rest of the hindus to join the battle....
"I can only help by praying for you and your army" said the Brahmin,
"I can only clean your utensils" said the cleaners
"I can only clean your brown trousers" said the Hindu Jack Shit
and so although disgusted, Prithviraj lost and opened India to the richness of Islam.
The lesson here Wellington is that you CAN rely on the 6-10%, however once gone, America (including Alabama) will (have to) welcome Islam.
You will note that the obese do not work hard to shed the pounds....they simply buy bigger clothes...
perhaps the origins of the burka came from the obese of the hindus?
Fred
Posted by: hindenberg at August 4, 2008 5:02 AM
"It is rare for a woman to champion war heroics...mostly they just cry....."
Hindenburg,
You do the many women who post on this site a grave disservice. You would be surprised at how fierce we can be. I myself have Celtic ancestry, and Celtic women fought right alongside their men.
Don't make the mistake of judging all women by the example of muslimas.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at August 4, 2008 6:18 AM
I agree with this veteran's assessment and should Taliban types start operating in America it is a certainty that we will employ our military here against them. The Islamic terrorists will have no chance after that. And don't forget about all those non-military folks I mentioned above and whom I'm certain you are underestimating. They're do just fine as well. I obviously believe in America and Americans more than you do. Bet most who post here do too.
Wellington
I second your thoughts of the American "Can Do Spirit".
We all sit and watch the Islamic culture make their advances, much like (as uou have said) a cancer. I have my theories as to what they are likely to do next and you undoubted have yours. At this point, I know of no one who has thoroughly researched their progress and based on this information, extrapolated what they might do next. In pool this is known as "calling your shots". All important credibility and success is gained when we can "Call their shots". As far as I know, no one in any military position is even acknowledging that Islam has a method to their madness. So it will be up to someone else. Mark Steyn has done this with demographics in his excellent book "America Alone". I believe that we now need something showing their military patterns.
Posted by: Spot on at August 4, 2008 7:53 AM
"My sincere apologies to you "Mrs" Champ....an error of judgement that I hope you will forgive me for. It is rare for a woman to champion war heroics...mostly they just cry....I feel you will easily see how I made this simple my error."
No problem, Fred, apology accepted, as it is a most common mistake; although many a poster have usernames that do not indicate whether or not they are male or female, so good luck determining the difference during your travels on JW. I am still working on that myself.
And to be quite honest, I am not that creative for having picked 'champ' as my 5 year old moniker. My maiden name is Champion, and it's just a nick-name that stuck over the years that seems to work on this forum - nothing more thought out than that - so PLEASE don't credit me as a "war hero". Only those who truly put their lives on the line for their fellow countrymen deserve such a label.
Take care!
Posted by: champ at August 4, 2008 11:42 AM
Sorry, Champ! You're right. The "/sarc" alert didn't flash on my computer when reading that.
I'll go stand in the corner for an hour!
Posted by: boneshack
You're so funny, Boneshack! An hour? Hope your feet didn't get too tired. :-)
Posted by: champ at August 4, 2008 12:44 PM
"It is rare for a woman to champion war heroics...mostly they just cry...."
Ouch!!
/sarc on
Hey, Fred, if I were prone to tears, then I might take offense to such an assessment about women; but since I'm not, then I'll graciously let it slip by, but only this once, as you are now officially under my radar as making stereotypical wise cracks about women, so I'll be watching you, hinden!
If I'm a hero at anything, then I'm a champion watch dog, that's for sure. LOL! Pure breed "Irish/French", watch dog! If there is such a breed.
....only kidding!! I'm a champion tease, so get used to it!
/sarc off
I need to get back to business....no more joking.
Posted by: champ at August 4, 2008 12:57 PM
....pure bred, not pure "breed"....sheesh!
Posted by: champ at August 4, 2008 4:39 PM
Posted by: hindenberg at August 3, 2008 6:58 PM
… fighting the rough and tough Taliban ...
...but I shiver and shudder at the Taliban fighting skills and their abandon of life in their cause…
Is that part of a song lyric from the first draft of The Wizard of OZ Meets Mr. Rogers?
If I -- were King -- of the forrrreeeest.
With a woof -- and a woof -- and a royal growl - woof.
...after all I have been proved right about a particulare point in only 4 days.
Uh, how do you figure, Islamologic?
Posted by duh_swami:
Stop importing trouble...start exporting trouble makers.
Reduce anxiety...off a trouble maker.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at August 4, 2008 7:04 PM
hindenburg
Muslim boaster and sociopath
you wrote that the defeat of Prithviraj "opened India to the richness of Islam".
I spit on those words. Raped India. Enslaved india. RUINED India. Robbed India. Islam attempted to kill India and only gave up because at the time they didn't have the technology to enable them to kill every last human being in the place - and besides, dead people can't pay jizya or stock the harems. If ya wanna stamp your boot on someone's face, that someone has to be alive for it to be the most fun. *spit!*
Yeah. The 'richness' of Islam. At least sixty to eighty million Hindus and Buddhists, many of them POWs and defenceless noncombatants, singlemindedly butchered by psychopathic jihadists howling allahu akbar, in the single biggest recorded genocide in human history. Millions and millions more, enslaved. Girls and boys treated like things in the harems. PUKE. SPIT.
I can't think of enough bad words to describe what Islam did to India. It withers the mind to contemplate the wanton cruelty and abominable wickedness of the muslim invaders and the Muslim lootocracy that succeeded them.
'the richness of Islam'.
Here's Serge Trifkovic, in 'Sword of the prophet', citing Rizwan Salim's 'What the invaders really did', in Hindustan Times, December 28, 1997, on what Islam did to India: "Islam invaders broke and burned everything beautiful they came across in Hindustan".
Got that? - broke and burned everything beautiful they came across. Says it all.
Cities looted, sacked and burned, beauty destroyed, monks and scholars killed, libraries burned. Forests cut down. Women impaled on spikes - and then their babies shoved onto the spike coming out of their chests. PUKE. SPIT. Rivers of blood poured out in the name of 'allah'. Mountains of corpses - all of them human sacrifices to the demon war-god of the arabs, 'allah', may it soon be consigned to the dustbin of history along with the demonic 'gods' that inspired the Aztecs to their feats of mass murder and torture.
It is long past time for all the mass of bad karma that Islam has accumulated in 1300 years of singleminded dedicated mass murder/ human sacrifice, mass rape, mass robbery and mass enslavement to land on the heads of the Ummah.
Long past time for Islam to behold the face of Shiva and of Kali - the face of well-deserved utter destruction, the fire of holy anger falling at last upon what A Carlebach called Islam's "blasphemous disregard for all that is sacred to the civilized world".
at August 4, 2008 9:51 PM
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