I have still not been able to understand, some please help me out....
why if Americans give $100.00 of money to these groups it is followed with an arrest and charges of aiding and funding terrorist groups, and rightfully so.

But when the U.S. State Department gives the same groups Millions $$$ to Billions of dollars of our money and calls it 'outreach' that is ok.

This is a double standard of National Security and goverment. If this money falls into the hands of terrorists and those terrorists kill Americans, then those U.S. goverment employees should be held accountable that both passed the policy and wrote the check.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at August 6, 2008 2:55 PM

Well, at least James K. Glassman can be trusted to behave soberly and sanely when it comes to government money. When he wrote a book, and then flogged and touted that book everywhere, a book in which, back in 1999, he confidently predicted that within a few years the Dow would undoubtedly hit 36,000, no government money was spent. Only private parties, those who believed his mountebank's patter, were the losers.

So, there has been progress, you corrosively critical naysayers, Progress with a Mind-Your-Ps-and-Qs-Capital P, in the Office of -- drumroll please -- the Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs.

Be thankful.

Count our blessings.

American Taxpaying Man wants but little here below.

Posted by: Hugh at August 6, 2008 2:58 PM

This is whatever level is beyond UNBELIEVABLE!
The State Department,a LONGTIME Bastion of Arabist DHIMNI's and the as yet Unexplained "thinking" on the part of "newly" Misunderstander of "The ROP" , Karen Hughes, is not only Dangerous to this country and our Allies, but is the ultimate TAQQIAH Driven TROJAN HORSE-AND WE'RE PAYING FOR IT!

Posted by: CHOI at August 6, 2008 3:09 PM

Doesn't surprise me at all. The double standard of swatting the hornets [terrorists] but protecting the nest [Islam in general] has been the norm all along.

Since this administration cannot reason that Jihad terrorism is a direct expression Islam, there is probably worse stinkin' corpses still hiding in the closest waiting to be uncovered.

Posted by: SoteriA at August 6, 2008 3:09 PM

Are we Constitutionally able to functionally operate? Due process and rule of law must be the vehicle by which these outright enemies and collaborators end up being hanged.

Exile, imprisonment, or death for sedition and treason.

Who in Congress will sponsor the legislation?

Posted by: Hyman Roth at August 6, 2008 3:16 PM

If I were a radical terrorist, I would know absolutely that I have beaten the American infidels.

The actions of the U.S.State Depart are contemptible. C. Rice must resign.

Posted by: n.a. palm at August 6, 2008 4:14 PM

Karen Hughes was assigned by Bush to "wage peace" against Islam, but in her ignorance and incompetence, she only perpetrated the reality that "Peace" with Islam consists of dhimmitude and jizya payments.

Interesting trivia: Karen Hughes' book about her White House experience is currently listed on Amazon.com at #1,245,856 - which is even less popular than O.J. Simpson's book of lies, "I Want You to Know".

Posted by: Xero G at August 6, 2008 4:25 PM

This testimony by Steven Emerson would not have been heard in Washington if Rep. Brad Sherman had caved in to MPAC's demands. Check out this item on his website:

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ca27_sherman/morenews/MPAC.html

It's so refreshing to see a Democrat doing his homework on these people.

Posted by: Pavlov's dog at August 6, 2008 4:30 PM

Example b western businesses and goverment are not only not fighting jihadists but are helping islamify the west for control.

Posted by: spcbat at August 6, 2008 4:46 PM

I'm shocked!

Come on, not really! WE call them terrorists. Bush and Company call them Muslims, practitioners of the religion of peace, people whose religion has been taken over, "hijacked" by a small coterie of the violent. Democrats kept calling on Bush to reach out to Muslim groups. What did they expect would happen?
For at least three decades we have been on the lookout for the "peaceful Muslim", the one who wants nothing but to live in peace. Reagan was almost brought down by the attempts at outreach, in his case to groups that claimed to be looking for a way for Iran and the US to get on good terms again. That was over twenty years ago.

My guess is Brad Sherman would not have been so conscientious if it were a Democrat in the WH. The party that calls Bush a warmonger and demands he negotiate with the leading state sponsor of terrorism is suddenly up in arms about the State Dept. doing PR with Muslim groups? If the FBI had raided those groups, Sherman and company would have decrying the police state we are in, the violation of First Amendment rights and so forth. Profiling would have been the charge. Not all Muslims are bad, etc. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard that Bush was going to find a way to cancel the November election and keep himself in power.

Congress authorized this outreach, didn't it? People from both sides insist we are not at war with Islam. The State Department has been a sanctuary for the jihad-friendly for many years, and it didn't start with Bush or with Clinton.

Of course these people are bad guys and we shouldn't be dealing with them but it's hard to see how we don't as long as we maintain a schizoid policy of condemning terrorism while reaching out to civilian groups whose leaders and members support terrorism. Either one-billion-plus people are our enemies or they're not.
As long as we insist on looking for the good guys in that billion-plus then we're bound to get taken now and again (and again and again and again). War is deceit.

The assumption that Hughes deliberately and knowingly funneled money to terrorists is a bit much.

Posted by: PMK at August 6, 2008 5:26 PM

CONG.SHERMAN is what the Democratic Party used to be-PATRIOTIC and on OUR SIDE!
No doubt the Left-Wing Islamofascist DUPES will VILLIFY this Great American the way they do SENATOR LIEBERMAN.

Posted by: CHOI at August 6, 2008 5:27 PM

I would give Karen Hughs the benefit of a doubt and say that she probably did what most idiots in Washington do when faced with a problem that they know nothing about solving (the list is long), they throw money at it.

Posted by: pismopal at August 6, 2008 6:07 PM

Your tax dollars at work. This happened because so many people in high positions in the government are so ignorant about Islam, and they were elected by a largely clueless electorate. What to do: Read Robert's books, tune in to Jihad Watch, keep studying. Then vote.

Posted by: jewdog at August 6, 2008 6:11 PM

"Outreach" to the Muslims: "White American slaves" kissing their masters'shoes.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Posted by: Enragedsince1999 at August 6, 2008 6:30 PM

jewdog wrote...
What to do: Read Robert's books, tune in to Jihad Watch, keep studying. Then vote.

Geez, yea but for whom??? The choices suck. They both seem as clueless as George and company. And even someone who actually understands would have an uphill battle with the entrenched minions at State. If I thought Obama would actually immediately withdraw from Iraq and let the bloodbath begin I'd vote for him. But he ain't gonna. I think I'm going to stay home, get drunk and clean firearms.

Posted by: Rick at August 6, 2008 6:41 PM

Yes, Rick, it's tough to make a choice from what we have, but I think McCain is far superior to Reverand Wright's congregant. Recently, McCain visited Israel and didn't meet with Abbas. Thumbs up.

Posted by: jewdog at August 6, 2008 6:45 PM

Will the "Decider" decide to address this? I doubt it.

Posted by: MP at August 6, 2008 7:08 PM

Since very early in this administration, it has been apparent that President Bush is subject to a most puzzling debility: he cannot tell friend from foe. We have seen this debility at work in his relationship with Senator Kennedy, Representative Pelosi, and other political opponents. He befriends people who reciprocate by dumping on him ... then, after a quick shower, he befriends them again. President Bush gains nothing in these transactions - and learns nothing.

The behavior of Karen Hughes toward our muslim enemies is an extension of President Bush's debility through his appointees.

Posted by: HotSpur at August 6, 2008 7:15 PM

I know many admirers of George W. Bush do not want to believe this, Karen Hughes is the face of George W. Bush.

This is vintage Bush.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 6, 2008 8:07 PM

Jewdog wrote: "Yes, Rick, it's tough to make a choice from what we have, but I think McCain is far superior to Reverand Wright's congregant. Recently, McCain visited Israel and didn't meet with Abbas. Thumbs up."

John McCain supports Mr. Bush's immoral, anti-Israel policies. Please wake up. Obama may be worse but McCain is no thumbs up. Both McCain and Obama will seek to sell Israel out to the jihadists. Enough with this looking for a hero. There are no heroes in this contest.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 6, 2008 8:12 PM

I doubt Karen Hughes knows much about the Koran, Hadith, Sharia, Islamic history, etc., but how many in the elite circles that control so much of this country do----or any other Western country for that matter? The defeat of Islamic supremacism will have to be a ground-swell movement. There is no other course.

Many of the Western elites (particularly Americans and Brits) did rather well against Nazism and Communism, and that's to their credit, but the elites today are failing us because they have been snookered by a totalitarian ideology that covers itself with pseudo-theological thought and masquerades as just another major world religion. Even many Israelis, who should know better than anyone else that Islam is the source of the problem, can't bring themselves to acknowledge this. Understandable, then, though regrettable, that the Karen Hughes type persists to this day. But this must change if we're going to prevail against the monstrosity which is Islam.

Posted by: Wellington at August 6, 2008 9:21 PM

John McCain is more sympathetic to Israel's need for defensible borders, and less enthralled by the "land for peace" formula than G. W. Bush. He is also less tolerant of the Palestinians demonstrated bad faith--take it or leave it.

Posted by: John C at August 6, 2008 9:26 PM

I am frustrated enough by the failures of both Republicans and Democrats that I am almost ready to write in Paris Hilton for President.

Obviously, that would be a vote wasted, but here are the choices:

If McCain is elected, we would be led by someone who actually has been a P.O.W. Such a person will hopefully understand the stakes, that this is not a game, that freedom should not be taken for granted, and that we can actually lose in the clash of civilizations and end up having our freedoms curtailed by a very intolerant people. McCain will hopefully show some leadership initiative, grit, and hopefully a new and intelligent point of view after his election. Unfortunately, McCain has so far failed to show that he understands the true nature of the Religion That Must Not Be Named. He seems to subscribe to the politically correct view that the radicals have hijacked a great religion of peace.

If Obama is elected, at least the Democrats will be in control of everything so that if things go from bad to worse, they will have nobody to blame. Knowing that, they might unexpectedly try to do a few things right. Either that, or they will screw up in front of everybody and hopefully people will open their eyes, the political pendulum will swing and in 4 years we may see the election of the sort of person we need. We need more liberals to wake up to the fact that a life under sharia does not include the liberties and human rights they take for granted as they unrealistically obsess about a few Al Quaeda inmates at Guantanamo being denied civil liberties, or as they insist on the "human rights" violations resulting from controlled borders.

(Although I am not an Obama supporter, at least Obama has occasionally shown a willingness to discriminate in regard to Islam, and he can do that without being labeled a racist or Islamophobe. Witness, for example, the removal of Muslim-clad women from photo ops, and the banning of the color green in his travels to the Middle East. Unfortunately, his reasons for doing these things are probably simply political -- to avoid creating an impression he is in bed with Islam and losing votes -- and may not translate to a willingness to break political correctness taboos or to confront the unpleasant realities of Islam once elected. Given Obama's past associations, it is likely he would lead us further down the path of dhimmitude and subjugation, thereby inflicting on us all a just punishment for being stupid in our political choices. But we can always hope he would turn out better than predicted.)

Unfortunately, we do not know what either candidate would do once elected, or how motivated or intelligent they would be in response to the steady pressure of the Religion That Must Not Be Named.

We can survive the next 4 years on the hope that things cannot get much worse, and that if they do, things will get so bad that people will finally start to wake up.

Posted by: Karl2 at August 6, 2008 10:48 PM

"You are either with us, or against us." Never have so powerful of words been so friviously applied, including by the one who said them.
When Hughes was appointed to this so-called outreach program, I remember her stating the books on her reading list on Islam included Esposito and Armstrong--two authors practically synonymous with dhimmi apologism. I thought, how can this high official be so ignorant and out of touch with the reality of Islam? What forces are at play that such slick empty suits can rise to the top of their fields and have so little depth of knowledge, yet strut with such arrogant pride and they sell our nation to Islamofascists? If ignorance of law was still no excuse, much of the Bush administration would be sitting in Supermax along side Ramzi Yousef.

Posted by: Max Publius at August 6, 2008 10:51 PM

Well, with the worst jihadist nations as our allies in a war against the only credible non US counter weight to Iran, what do you expect? I admire Bush for willing to fight but he has compromised himself so heavily with such scum like the Pakies and Saudis as allies, it's really hard to take anything seriously at all. This fiasco, a typical waste of our money, is proof. Why not just send $ to the Hitler and Stalin School of Tyrannical Studies. It would be like collaborating with Mussolini and Hitler in WW ll so we could take on Vichy France and Franco Spain.

Posted by: MorrisMinor at August 6, 2008 11:08 PM

HotSpur,
political games like dealing with Pelosi and Kennedy are nothing and harmless and work both ways. It's Bush sucking up to Pakies, Saudis and Sudanese and underwritnig the Paleos while supposed fighting a war on (can't say Islamic) terror that is the crime. Time to turn Rush off!

Posted by: MorrisMinor at August 6, 2008 11:12 PM

Karl2: I would suggest you take into your calculations about Obama and McCain that the former, if elected, will appoint very liberal judges who will occupy their positions for life, or at least until retirement at their pleasure. An almost untold amount of damage could be done by liberal judges negating virtually anything the executive and legislative branches might put forward for literally decades to come, irrespective of how realistic or patriotic these two branches of government may be in future years about Islam and other matters. By far, the best reason to vote for McCain, someone whom I have several reservations about, is that he is almost infinitely more likely to appoint sensible people to the federal bench.

This is NOT the time to stand on some arid principle about McCain not being conservative enough or Islamically aware enough or whatever. Such thinking smacks of self-indulgence to the point of narcissism and foolhardiness. To all those thinking of not voting for McCain because he doesn't get Islam correctly or because he doesn't get your pet interest the right away, etc., I would reply, politely, PLEASE DON'T!. Save your sacred principles for some other election and think long term. Very long term. Judicially long term.

Posted by: Wellington at August 6, 2008 11:39 PM

Well said Wellington...

Posted by: duh_swami at August 7, 2008 12:23 AM

The money I've spent reading Robert's books, Bat Ye'or's books, Andrew Bostom's books, Serge Trifkovic's books, and recently Ali Sina's work was money better spent than what I've paid in taxes to the government.

Posted by: FredIsinglass at August 7, 2008 12:35 AM

it seems like the state deptis more that willing to give our enamys aid and comfort

Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at August 7, 2008 1:02 AM

Excellent point Wellington and well stated. Appointments to the Supreme Court are reason enough to vote for McCain, regardless of any other misgivings many of us (myself included) may have about the man.

But there is one more reason to vote for McCain. He knows, to the core of his soul, the bitter taste of American defeat.

In the not so distant past, in the darkest days of the war in Iraq -there came a great hysterical clamor, from some of our countrymen, that our Armed Forces were “worn out by the war” and “strained to the breaking point”. At the time, the entire Democrat Party and the Main Stream Media shrieked this message endlessly – it became “truth” by repetition.

McCain’s reply were words to the effect that it is far preferable to have a “strained Army” even “to the breaking point” than a defeated one. He went on to describe the state of our Armed Forces after Viet Nam – the discipline problems, the morale problems, the drug problems, the utter misery of the whole organization - and the many hard years it took to get it back on track.

Our Nation, unlike our Military, has not recovered from the defeat of Viet Nam. You can see the after effects everywhere, in the pathological self flagellation of the “Hate America First” crowd, in the sedition of the Democrat Party and in the spiritual bankruptcy of multiculturalism to name just a few.

McCain knows, far more than most, the consequences of an American defeat.

I would bet my life that he will do everything in his power to avoid another.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at August 7, 2008 2:28 AM

There is continuous talk of Islam destroying Western Civilisation...

At the same time the West (or at the very least JWers) fervently insists that Islam does not meet our high Western standards and cannot belong here.

You insist that the West is superior in every way....and yet there are huge signs of Western life erosion on every level of our society.

The workplaces have prayer rooms, the airports have footbasins, the dogs are forbidden in taxis, the army has muslim soldiers, the welfare system ensures muslims at home don't starve.

Grants are given to build the highest minerets, the political battles are being won for speaker assisted call to prayer....your church bells have stopped rings, hijabs and Korans are freely available, whilst films and books of the life of the Rasool are banned....and

to top it all generous aid is given to the very people who you say are trying to "devour" you.

Indeed the westerners do lots of things that harm themselves....like paying for alcohol which harms them, like cigaratees ...and then paying again for the hospitalisation.

But to focus in on only one aspect of items that may devour you ...Islam (and the jury is still out on this ...althoiugh some say ...that time's running out and its "5 mins to midnight") ...surely that's unfair.

I don't think Islam is there to devour us....no it's there to bless you, and soothe you...so that you too can have muslim son-in-laws...and prayer mats and korans on the highest and cleanset shelf in your homes.

Islam is there to bring happiness and meaning to miserable lonely lives of the kuffar....

those of you who have already made the jump to happiness...talk to your brethern...tell them of your lovely devout son-in-law and the smile of your covered up daughter....there is nothing to fear...

Posted by: hindenberg at August 7, 2008 6:08 AM

We will lose to islam just like every other culture. No one has ever won against islam. History proves that since its inception, Islam has continuously spread. There is no stopping it with our conventional thinking and conventional actions.

Four things must be done:
- Allah is not God
- Mohammed was not a good man
- Islam is not a religion
- Muslims are not citizens

Unless those first four steps are taken, there is virtually no way to win against Allah and those in its thrall. None.

We rage and battle against the shadow of islam. You can't beat up shadows.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at August 7, 2008 7:01 AM

@mike trivisonno

"We will lose to islam just like every other culture. No one has ever won against islam. History proves that since its inception, Islam has continuously spread".

Yes Mike, you have had the guts to say that which JWers dare not admit to.

Postees Mrs Champion and others say...NO...NEVER would I submit to Islam...

No one is asking you to submit.....only to join the club....everyone likes a winner babaay.... that is what life is about.

You may not join...but what about your offspring....cousins, uncles and aunties, servents, maids, pool cleaners....all are welcome

As for

"Allah is not God".....Allah provides us with the miracle of the Koran...this is Islam's greatest miracle....when it's in your home...you don't ask silly questions.

"Mohammed was not a good man"....Muhammed PBUH was the Rasool...the ultimate teacher who brought to you that message that cannot be beaten...you said so yourself earlier. Don't waste time semantics....he is the man to move mountains...once you believe in Allah....he is the best of the best.

"Islam is not a religion"....hear the speaker assisted Azaan at 5am ...and you will change your mind....let the holy verses wash over you...sway like reeds in the wind...back and forth...back and forth...like the hypnotic trance...it will envelope you...sink Mike...sink....deeper ...deeper...atta boy ...you got it now

"Muslims are not citizens"....yes I agree...they are the greatest global citizens....how dare to try to give such a hollow title ..

Posted by: hindenberg at August 7, 2008 8:21 AM

What I would like to know is this:

Who is the ONE that paved the way for the likes of Karen Hughes to even attain the position she has or had in the White House, enabling her to give all the millions to the Muslims who wish to destroy us?

Here's another question or two:

What's Hughes' background? Where is she from?

Her education in the tenets of Islam?

This is beyond astonishing - it is disastrous. It's the equivalent of funneling federal monies to Nazi Germany in 1943.

Posted by: INFIDELATLARGE at August 7, 2008 8:35 AM

hindenberg (or is it 'naseem' of old, in a new mask?)

SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

Ubul Kassim Ha-Meshugga ('the madman') was a 'prophet' of war, Islam is a religion of war (and more and more I think it is, in fact, nothing more or less than a human sacrifice cult, as hideous as was that of the ancient Aztecs), and the Qur'an is a book of war.

Unless and until YHWH destroys the Thing that inhabits you and speaks from your mouth, I have nothing else to say to you except THIS:

Psalm 2: 1-4.
Lamah rag’shu goyim
Ul’umim yeh’gu rik?
Yit’yats’vu malchei erets,
V’roznim nos’du yahad
Al Adonai v’al m’shiho.
N’natkah et mos’roteimo,
V’nashlichah mimenu avoteimo.
Yoshev bashamayim
Yis’hak, Adonai
Yil’ag lamo!

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 7, 2008 8:39 AM

Sorry to post a contrary comment, but for the first time in months I'm encouraged.

Karen Hughes manages to make the UK's track-record in dealing with islamicism look less moronic. Compared to this woman, our 'keystone kops', and the good ole ArchDhimmi of Canterbury come out with a shred of integrity intact.

Posted by: Kev at August 7, 2008 8:39 AM

Well, if we had a GOVERNMENT who had balls enough to stand up against Islam instead of making excuses, and BIG BUSINESS that would do the same, then this train wreck of a "religion" would not get a foothold.

But no! It is left to the individual to complain and fight, only to then be told by the governement and others that we have to be "tolerant".

This is BS. It is time that Islam is looked at for what it is, and brought down. And as much as I do not care for either candidate, I feel that Obama would be the one to sell out the USA further than we already are. I get absolutely no sound of caring about this country from either he or his wife, who is also a piece of work.

Posted by: samhein at August 7, 2008 8:47 AM

Mike

please remember that Despair is one of the deadliest of sins.

You saw just now how the Mohammedan Dementor 'hindenberg' seized upon your expressions of despair and predictions of inevitable defeat, and swelled up like a toad and crowed with a truly hideous joy and triumphalism, and poured out threats, trying to paralyse and hypnotise those who read here. A revolting spectacle, by the way, and one that tells me exactly where Islam comes from - straight from the pit of Hell.

So - unless you are yourself a Tokyo Rose/ Lord Haw Haw deliberately seeking to sap our will to go on resisting - please do not allow yourself to completely give way to expressions of despair and predictions of Doom. All you will do is provide food for the Dementors.

I may have told you to do this, before, but I will tell you again: read Jacques Ellul, 'Hope in a Time of Abandonment'.

Or pick up Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings and read Sam's song in the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

"Though here at journey's end I lie
in darkness buried deep
beyond all towers strong and high
beyond all mountains steep
above all shadows rides the Sun
and Stars for ever dwell:
*I will not say the Day is done
nor bid the Stars farewell*".

This is a psy-war as much as a physical combat. Don't forget that.

Don't feed the Dementors.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 7, 2008 8:58 AM

"Who is the ONE that paved the way forthe likes of Karen Hughes to even attain the position she has or had in the White House, enabling her to give all the millions to the Muslims who wish to destroy us?"
-- from a posting above

You know who.

But do you know why?

The Esdrujula Explanation covers it all:

Stupidity.

The biggest of all problems. Practically impossible to overcome. It's everywhere, whenever the matter of Islam comes up. And Stupidity is tied to laziness, and to podsnappery -- "I don't want to know about it" and "I don't want to hear about it."

After all, Islam requires a little study. It is not obvious. It is called a "religion" for want of a better term, but that word "religion" for many carries with it a halo or aura of inoffensiveness, and the word is inadequate to describe a Total Belief-System that contains, and mostly concentrates on, a politics and a geopolitics based on the view that the world is dividied between Believers and Infidels.

Because Islam is not familiar to us, and we rely on "experts" and many of those "experts" in academic life, are willing apologists for Islma (google MESA Nostra), and, in the corridords of power and among the pundits, are too lazy to actually read the Islamic texts, and the most penetrating Western scholars on the texts, and about the the history of Islamic conquest and subjugation of Infidels which is merely a 1350-year demonstration of Islam in practice.

Rigidity

The Administration and its most loyal supportres can't admit that the stated goals in Iraq make no sense, or rather, make sense only if we continue to wilfully misunderstand the threat of Islam, and they are apparently willing to do so in order to justify their support for Tarbaby Iraq.

Cupidity

The power of Arab money sloshing all over Washington and elsewhere in the capitals of the West, and its representatives, those smiling prince-bandars, those Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emiratians who are just like us -- why, their kids wear sneakers and go to U.S.C. and speak perfect American English, which proves they are swell fellows they must be swell fellows and just like us, and of course we can make decisions about their countries, about the Middle East, about Islam in Europe, based on our smiling encounters with these people, so ready to invest, in every way, in our country, and in our -- well, not "our people" but at least a select group of "our people" right here on K Street, and on certain campusses, and among the diplomats and intelligence agents who choose to work for them after a sometimes-premautre retirement, and all those businessmen, lawyers, investment bankers, busily "recycling" petro-dollars for their own use, and whose good is so easy to confuse, for many of the powerful, with the Greater Good of the country.

Timidity

Fear of rocking the boat. Fear of seeing Islam as it is, because that implies a much wider and deeper problem, one that is permanent. Those who, like Secretary Gates, now talk -- supposedly "realistically" -- about a "long war," and a "war that will take decades" -- are simply, with a slightly longer time frame, just as unrealistic, and dangerously misleading, as those who think or pretend to think that the "war on terror" will be over in just a few years.

And that is why those who presume to instruct and protect us -- the political and media elites -- have come to a collective decision.

They have decided that

1) there is a "war on terror" and not a jihad being waged world-wide that has no end, and that is hardly limited to terror but uses much more effective instruments those in power have yet to name or even to hint at (Da'wa, the Money Weapon, demographic conquest)

2) this "war on terror" can be "won" and then it will all be over

3) this "war on terror" is finite -- that it comes to an end when we get "the bad guys" such as those in Al-Qaeda, and the more than a billion moderate Muslims, loyally standing by us, or even pitching in as best they can, to collaborate in destroying terrorists "who have hijacked a great religion" and, of course, pointing out just how contrary to Islam the ideology of those terrorists, and the texts they so carefully adduce as evidence -- from the Qur'an and the Hadith --are simply misunderstood, misinterpreted, and those moderates can see that, can make the case because, so obviously, both the doctrine of Islam, and the practice of Islam as revealed in the behavior of Muslims toward Infidels over the past 1350 years, has reflected the good and the true Islam.

And that is why we need not bother to learn more about Islam, or even think about whether or not the acquisition of more knowledge and greater understanding might lead to a change in the policies designed to protect Infidels.

No, we already have our policies. We already know what we want to think, what are the limits and guidelines on what we will ever allow ourselves to think, about Islam.

____________________________

Stupidity.

Cupidity.

Rigidity.

Timidity.

The Esdrujula Explanation.

Posted by: Hugh at August 7, 2008 9:02 AM

Thanks, Hugh.

Posted by: INFIDELATLARGE at August 7, 2008 9:21 AM

please remember that Despair is one of the deadliest of sins.

I do not despair. I only point out the first four steps that MUST be taken to defeat islam.

For the last 1,400 years, we have willingly carried the burden of the islamic people. It is time to deny them their god.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at August 7, 2008 10:05 AM

@dda

you say "SHUT YOUR MOUTH"

dda....that's not very nice is it? The postees here say all sort of nasties about Islam ...but I don't tell them to shut up....comments are most welcome.

Psalm 2: 1-4.
Lamah rag’shu goyim

...you have the advantage of me....is there a translation somewhere?

dda...I'm sure you'd like me once you get to know me!

Posted by: hindenberg at August 7, 2008 10:41 AM

When a President is allowed to go to war without specifically and correctly identifying the enemy, all sorts of things can and will go wrong. Whar Karen Hughes has done, on behalf of the President no doubt, is just one of them.

Posted by: Spot on at August 7, 2008 10:48 AM

For the record, I agree with Wellington and Davegreybeard. But I do not want anyone to take my vote for granted, I do not want to be disappointed if McCain is elected and fails to deliver as much as we would like, and if McCain is not elected I want to be able to look forward with something other than despair for what the future might hold. Also, we can only survive if we maintain our sense of humor. Finally, I think Paris Hilton is totally hot.

Posted by: Karl2 at August 7, 2008 10:55 AM

Davegreybeard: You made a very good case for McCain as Commander-in-Chief. He'll do just fine in that role. He understands the American military about as well as anyone living today. So, between judges and the military how can a sensible person not vote for The Old Guy instead of The Messiah? I can't see how.

Karl2: Well, McCain and virtually all politicians will disappoint you someway. So you vote for the person who will disappoint you the least. And I actually think this is the optimistic way of looking at things. Oh, I have to disagree with you about Paris Hilton. She's OK, but for a woman to be really hot she has to not only be good looking (which Hilton is) but smart (which Hilton isn't) because intelligence is very sexy.

hindenberg: Islam is evil because it calls for war to be made upon the unbeliever (no other religion does) and sections out entire classes of human beings to be killed (or submit to pure second-class treatment where Muslims dominate). Its founder, Mohammed, was a brutal man and a sexual deviant. A gigantic fraud too. In short, Islam is a totalitarian ideology just as Marxism and fascism are. If you think Islam is a good thing, you've been brainwashed. And in the alternative, and just for argument's, suppose Islam is the true religion? Well then, this is a very creepy universe and God's a cosmic tyrant. Therefore, the only noble thing to do would be to play Prometheus, ultimately futile though that would be, against an evil deity. Oh, one more thing, are you Nassem?

mike trivisonno: We'll prevail because as time goes on more and more people will see Islam for the death cult that it is and it will eventually be about as ignored as all other failed totalitarian ideologies. It will exist marginally and that's about all. But this will take a lot of time. A hundred years or so I'd say. And many people are going to die unnecessarily because of this heinous religion, the only heinous one among the major faiths of the world.

Posted by: Wellington at August 7, 2008 12:38 PM

"...I'm sure you'd like me once you get to know me!"
Posted by: hindenberg

I am sure also sir, in exactly and precisely the same way I “like” rattle snakes.

The way they patiently lie in wait for their prey, the deception and cunning they employ, the way they eat each others young and their own – the way they swallow their prey whole.

Yes, much to admire here, an entity totally devoted to its own satisfaction even to the detriment of its own kind – a killing machine absolutely devoid of any human morals whatsoever.

So please join me hindenberg (or is it hiddenberg?).

I promise to show you all the hospitality you deserve!

Posted by: Davegreybeard at August 7, 2008 1:08 PM

@hindenberg

Psalm 2: 1-4.
Lamah rag’shu goyim

translation

Why do the nations rage?

(against My Messiah, My Anointed One...)

This is a beautiful prophecy of the coming of the Messiah, how the Messiah is the Son of God

(God says "today I have birthed you --hayom yiladiteecha"

It ends with "nashku bar" KISS THE SON!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl at August 7, 2008 1:26 PM

hindenberg states:

"Postees Mrs Champion and others say...NO...NEVER would I submit to Islam...No one is asking you to submit.....only to join the club....everyone likes a winner babaay.... that is what life is about. You may not join...but what about your offspring....cousins, uncles and aunties, servents, maids, pool cleaners....all are welcome"

To which I will repeat myself: NO & NEVER!!

Islam is a cancer on ones soul and on society as a whole, so I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole, nor would I recommend it to a friend or loved one either. Why would I offer the lies provided by your god to those I love, when I can offer them the Truth from the One True God?

Glad to see that you're finally showing us who you truly are: a Muslim troll looking for converts. No converts here, hindenberg, so take your Islamic invitations and dispose of them, as they are not being opened or read here. See, you'll find mine in the trash can where it belongs, unopened & unread.

Posted by: champ at August 7, 2008 7:13 PM

Why is it that Karen Hughes and all the other people in our government who are guilty of the same types of atrocities have not been tried for treason, convicted, and hanged?

Posted by: nightlight at August 7, 2008 9:44 PM

Why is it that Karen Hughes and all the other people like her in our government who are guilty of the same types of atrocities have not been tried for treason, convicted, and executed?

Posted by: nightlight at August 7, 2008 9:46 PM

nightlight: You can't try people in government for treason for policy decisions based on good faith and rooted in what is considered reasonable at a particular time. Yes, Karen Hughes is most certainly ignorant of Islam, and significantly so, but almost everyone in the American government today, from all political persuasions, proceeds on the premise (a false one to be sure) that Islam has been hijacked by extremists and that the religion itself is OK.

Were we to try Karen Hughes for treason (and American law as presently constituted would see her vindicated easily), we would have to try 90% in the American government as well. All this would be a waste of time----and counter-productive. What is necessary is directing the American nation as a whole to an entirely different concept from anything this nation has encountered before, and that is the realization that there is a major religion that exists which is evil---and destructive of so much that America holds dear. This will take many decades to sink in.

Hughes is merely ignorant. She's not a traitor. The larger problem remains, though, and this is having the American people as a whole understand Islam as well as most who post here at JW do, who are basically in the prophet mode. But prophets alone won't do the trick. Statesmen and the American people collectively are quite necessary too. In fact, without these, the prophets alone will only be right but not victorious. It will take all three.

Posted by: Wellington at August 7, 2008 11:25 PM