Riyadh: A Saudi man working with the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice recently killed his daughter for converting to Christianity.

Cold-blooded murder ... how virtuous.

Posted by: Lori B. at August 13, 2008 2:40 PM

Oops. They meant "Commission for Prevention of Virtue and Promotion of Vice."

A simple mistake.

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at August 13, 2008 2:59 PM

Again this bizarre paranoia that Islam cannot survive on it's own merits, that there are "conspiracies" against it everywhere, that every conversion is a victory for someone else's "jihad". This attitude is unique to Islam, as far as I can tell.

I don't suppose any Christian church will openly regard this girl as what she is: a martyr. That would be a bit provocative, wouldn't it? At least, until the oil runs out.

Posted by: Novalis at August 13, 2008 3:03 PM

No way of stating that the murderer has a misunderstanding of islam. Well, okay, it will be made to seem that way, after all CAIR has a lot of practice in this field. One more argument against the lie of islamic intellectualism.

OT
To anyone at JW, both commentators and writers, I am wondering if anyone has done a study on the likelihood of converts from muslim converting, or reverting if you will, back to islam in the absence of pressure? Obviously the number would be higher among those who survive the initial attack and are allowed to go back. But just curious as to how many choose to do so when not under pressure. I hhad heard the some Soviet defectors had trouble assimilating into a free society after having had every aspect of their lives controlled. And since islam is very much like communism/socialism, wonder if that also applies.

Posted by: Kevin at August 13, 2008 3:15 PM

I see her father getting 6-months in jail if he gets any time at all. It is legal in Saudi Arabia (and the Muslim world) to kill any female you want.

Posted by: Mystical Time Traveler at August 13, 2008 3:21 PM

I read recently that Queen Rania, the "hip" one, recently ended her website promoting a positive image of Islam, to counter misunderstandings by us infidels in the West. There is nothing in this horrific story to misunderstand. Nothing.

Posted by: HOV Dummy at August 13, 2008 3:31 PM

Interfaith dialogue, Saudi style.

Posted by: Wellington at August 13, 2008 3:32 PM

wow...horrible just horrible. Jesus wasn't kidding that his word would set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother. In this case a father against his daughter.

Posted by: kyros at August 13, 2008 3:49 PM

"heated debate." Are they trying to be funny?

Posted by: MP at August 13, 2008 3:55 PM

It sickens me to think,, they have had 1400 years of this medieval death cult, in "secrecy".

Far away from the western infidel civilized world. And up until the Internet,, their barbaric ways,, were kept secret, anyone raising alarm was murdered.

To think just HOW many little girls and young women and yes, little boys.

Have been murdered so horribly like this young woman was.

In all those centuries, when this so called religion of peace,, was behind the islamic "veil", safe with their horrible secrets, no prying eyes and minds,, questioning.

Reminds me of that Wafa Sultan cartoon,,

her with her blazing flashlight of "REASON", exposing

the TROLLS, under the rock,, those sick perverted old men who marry little one year girls.

to the brutal light of day.

I really think it's Karma, what comes around goes around.

AND with our SWORD,, called the Internet,, we are much more powerful than they are. Because,, people can SEE from the muslim's actions, every day,, what a NOT peaceful religion this is.

I am feeling so sad and angry, for this young woman,, who was savaged,, by a SAVAGE!!

)0(
solsticewitch13

The Whole World is Watching,,

quote from Stuck Mojo,,
Open Season, CAIR Remix

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at August 13, 2008 4:01 PM

Time for Muslims to declare a jihad on the evil Western technology that is corrupting their youths. Burn those PCs, phones, planes, etc.

Posted by: saynotoislam at August 13, 2008 4:10 PM

Islam - what an evil cult, and so are it's followers, they are evil too.

Posted by: champ at August 13, 2008 4:20 PM

But can anyone even imagine the abominable UN "human rights council" taking Saudi Arabia to the task? Can anyone imagine the repugnant Louise Arbour, the rabid former UN anti-Serb Inquisitor, who now heads the evil "human rights council" even addressing this atrocity? The Louise Arbour who covered up the direct role of the Military Professional Resources International staffed by career American military officers in the "Operation Thunder" 13 Augusts ago by Nazi Croats who finished Hitler's job on the much-suffered Serb community of Krajina?
I have no doubt that the Georgian atrocity on thousands of South Ossettian civilians last week was carefully modeled on that "Operation Thunder". I also have no doubt that it was supervised not only by the US Army, but by "retired", "private" American generals of MPRI, the ones who ran the original "Operation Thunder". Indeed, I saw it coming even before it was launched, and expected it to start on PECISE dates of the Krajina massacre, Aug. 1 - 4 (the "white American slaves" of the US military are as big on anniversaries and symbolic dates as are their Islamic masters). And guess what? On Aug. 1, the Georgians tried to assassinate the leaders of South Ossetia with a heavy mortar barrage on the downtoun of its capital Tskhinvali. And on Aug. 4, they tried again with powerful American sniper rifles. But they postponed the all-out assault until Aug. 8 when Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, "the adult in the Russian government", was away in Beijing, and the new President, "the nice little kid" Dmitry Medvedev was "home alone" in the Kremlin. The Nazi Croat atrocity fast-forwarded 13 years and transplanted from the Balkans to Russia's back yard in the Caucasus region, and supervised by the very same American war criminals. Were it not for the Russian Army that struck back hard, the US-backed Georgians would have totally razed the Ossetian life from the region, just as the Nazi Croats razed the Serb life from Krajina. Too bad, the misfortunate Serbs did not have such saviors riding to the rescue 13 years ago.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Posted by: Enragedsince1999 at August 13, 2008 4:21 PM

,b>According to sources close to the victim, the religious police member had cut the tongue of the girl and burned her to death following a heated debate on religion.

What does this have to do with islam? /sarc_off

Posted by: witness at August 13, 2008 4:47 PM

These people are not human. I see no reason to regard them as such. Many of us are still trying to make excuses for their behavoir. No reason.

These are muslims.

Posted by: credit man at August 13, 2008 4:55 PM

Novalis: Well said. I was thinking the same as the mention of the manner of the deed reminded me of Fox's book.

Revelation 6: 9-10
When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained;
and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 13, 2008 4:55 PM

These people are not human. I see no reason to regard them as such. Many of us are still trying to make excuses for their behavoir. No reason.

These are muslims.

Posted by: credit man

I completely agree!!

Posted by: champ at August 13, 2008 4:57 PM

A Saudi man working with the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice recently killed his daughter for converting to Christianity.

And it is evil sods like him who was responsible for 15 Saudi schoolgirls getting burned to death, through being forced to retrieve their hijabs from their blazing school building, as detailed in the hyperlink below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at August 13, 2008 4:58 PM

I am almost at a loss for words on this one. Outrageous is one word that comes to mind. How many more of these murders are going to take place before someone in a position to make an immediate change in the situation (the people of this cult themselves?) says "Enough. No more."?

Posted by: charlie at August 13, 2008 5:17 PM

A terrible tragedy....the man who has brought up the daughter in the islamic way cannot dare to see himself being challenged.

I personally cannot see why anybody would ever want to leave Islam. The love and mercy Allah SWT shows to his slaves is beyond words and comprehension.

All the ink in the world is insufficient to write of the superlaitives offered by Allah SWT...every leaf moves in the wind because he wills it...even every kuffar takes a breath of oxygen because he allows it.

His Abu was probably a hard working man bringing in the riyals so that she could have the latest phones, ipod and computers.

Unfortunetely for him...(probably not being a computer literate or blogger) didn't realise what his daughter got upto on the PC.

She would have read about the how the christian has reformed christianity to "civilise it".

She would have wanted the same for Islam...but his father knew that the words of Allah in the Koran cannot be diluted.

Kuffar have lost the will to pray...or to listen to their God...they think they know better than God himself....how dare they change the word of God....Islam will make no such mistake ...there can be no reformation...we live and pray as instructed by the everybody's Lord...Allah SWT.

In truth had he not bothered with the computers and internet...she would have been a normal saudi girl...the kuffar influence reached from afar through her eyes and ears and altered her love for Allah SWT....slowly at first ...then at pace...daring to insult her religion and her parents....where was her mother in this ?

In Islam we say that "kuffar parents pollute"...they take their children away from Islam....in this case the ultimate insult is to move away from Islam whilst you in Islam already...it's a bit like ahhhhh....a bit like a fish drowning in the water that it swims in...I mean it's virtually impossible....and the insult to the father who achives this impossibility...well it's infront of you.

For all muslimas reading this post...don't leave Islam...it is your home and your life...may you all live long and prosper....just don't spend so much time on the computer.

Posted by: hindenberg at August 13, 2008 5:37 PM

This is a truely evil cult where it has to kill their own children in order to keep them in line. If
islam were a ROP there would be no need to kill those who leave it, such as we have among the other religions of the world, Jewish, Christianity, etc.
Evil crawls under rocks when the light shines on it, it is the vampire of the world. where are the voices of indignation among the liberal groups, the women's groups who are mainly leftist? Where are they? Those who do not speak up against this atcrocity will become its next victims.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 13, 2008 5:44 PM

Hindenberg wrote:"....for all Muslimas reading this post ..don't leave Islam .. just spend less time on the computer...."

Shouldn't you have ended with "spend less time on the computer IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR TONGUE AND YOUR LIFE."?

Posted by: charlie at August 13, 2008 5:53 PM

hindenberg is proof that being a Muslim having access to a computer is simply not enough reason to be tortured and killed for...

Posted by: pulsar182 at August 13, 2008 5:53 PM

Whew! I'm glad just owning a computer doesn't get you killed. Remember not to flirt with those cucumbers though!

Posted by: charlie at August 13, 2008 5:56 PM

hindenberg, you have assigned blame to everyone but the man who committed this heinous crime. You blame the west, the internet, even this girls mother. Are you kidding?! Not only are you a Muslim apologist, but you are crazy too, because you end by defending a man who butchered his own daughter: "....and the insult to the father who achives this impossibility"

Your comments are stupid and poisonous, and don't even connect with the truth, or even with common sense. Islam truly is for losers, as exampled by your twisted logic.

You won't last long, that's all I've got to say. Be gone, and take your Islame with you!

Posted by: champ at August 13, 2008 6:03 PM

OK Guys. The nabi feels compelled to point out that, of course, there is nothing in the qur'an, ahadith or sira which says "kill your daughter if she dates guys or won't wear a hijab". So it's just a cultural practice of the Arabs to do this. There is no honor killing in mohametanism and you should know that mohametanism dosen't prescribe death for girls who date around unless they are married. If they are single the punishment is more like flogging. OK. Sheesh!

But of course this girl changed her religion so kill her for sure. It is the mohametan way.

nabi ZK

...go ahead and ask for a FREE fatwa...

Posted by: zonie kafir at August 13, 2008 6:04 PM

hindenberg wrote "where was her mother in this ?"

Her mother was doing her "female duties", which means EVERYTHING since the men are so lazy all they do is sit around and pray and drink tea and admonish every culture/religion but their own. Hold up a mirror hindenberg, see??

Posted by: gymgal at August 13, 2008 6:06 PM

Dear Hindenberg,

I suggest that Muslim men should be insulted (they are easily insulted) and do away with their daughters. In this manner the world will be rid of Islam and Muslims too.

Eventually they will go too far anyway.

Posted by: credit man at August 13, 2008 6:14 PM

Bit more. Not so sure about the tongue cutting but burning is a mohametan no no. Kill her for sure but fire is allen's punishment.

That is all...

nabi ZK

...the nabi wonders how this man can live with himself after this act...

Posted by: zonie kafir at August 13, 2008 6:15 PM

I concur with Champ. I read more sympathy for the murdering father in Hindenberg's post than I do for the tortured, suffering girl. What kind of animalistic group eats its own and revels in it?

Posted by: charlie at August 13, 2008 6:17 PM

Oh yes. And hindenberg. Why don't you change back to your old screen name? We will all forget that you walked out in a huff and said you would never return. OK?

Your friend Yoni Kafir

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at August 13, 2008 6:19 PM

Thanks, Charlie. It's amazing to me that hindenberg blamed everyone BUT the murderer, and then he turns around and defends this scum. Wouldn't 'hind' make for an interesting juror on a murder trial? He would get laughed out of the courtroom.

You're ridiculous, hindenberg, ridiculous.

Posted by: champ at August 13, 2008 6:27 PM

The result of angry zealot men with no assignment except to have a bowel movement. Pathetic animals

Posted by: pismopal at August 13, 2008 6:27 PM

"In Islam we say that "kuffar parents pollute"
Posted by: hindenberg

Have you seen Gaza, Yemen, Sudan, Egypt, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, or any Muslim dominated neighborhoods in Uk, France, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Canada, USA, or even Pakistan?"

Compare those Muslim neighborhoods where ever you may find the with the neighborhoods of Non Muslims...big difference...really...you will see who are the master polluters..

Posted by: pulsar182 at August 13, 2008 6:30 PM

Hindenburg-

1. This is not a tragedy. This is cold blooded murder that could have been completely avoided. The only tragic thing is that this poor girl was subjected to a person like her father.
2. Do not expect us “kuffar” to sympathize with this man. He is an emotionally weak human being who would be viewed as a criminal in a sane society.
3. You do not understand the basic concept of cause and effect. A person that murders their own child is responsible for the murder. A person that does that is morally perverted, narcissistic. If they are not mentally ill, they are actually evil.
4. It is funny that you would say “kuffar parents pollute” while addressing a situation where a child was murdered by someone who is supposedly better than the rest of us. Of course the only reason he is better is because he buys into a religious system designed by a man who would be considered the moral equivalent as Jim Jones, Warren Jeffs, and Charles Manson had he lived the same lifestyle today as he did when he designed the religious system. I said it. If the timeless prophet lived now and committed the same acts, he would either be on death row, or in a maximum security prison.

In short Hindenburg, you are an abusive prick. There is no excuse to remain in the cult you are in.

Posted by: sh217 at August 13, 2008 6:35 PM

Add one more name to the long, long list of those who, in Islamic countries, down the centuries, have abandoned Mohammed, and embraced Yeshua of Nazareth...and promptly been killed, mostly by their own families.

Here is the link to Samuel Zwemer's "The Law of Apostasy in Islam", which may be read in its entirety online. It names many other such Muslim-background martyrs of the Christian faith.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Zwemer/Apostasy/index.htm

Since no-one in Saudi Arabia will do this for her; since her murdering father will have shoved her into the ground hugger-mugger; let those of us who are Christian say for her now the prayer of commendation.

"Go forth, O Christian soul, on your journey from this world.
In the name of God the Father, who created you.
In the name of Jesus Christ, who suffered for you.
IN the name of the Holy Spirit, who strengthens you.

In communion with the blessed saints
and aided by angels and archangels and all the heavenly host
May your portion, "Rania", this day be in peace
and your dwelling in the heavenly Jerusalem."

"Receive her, Lord, as a lamb of your own flock
as a child of your own creating
as a soul of your own redeeming;
and grant that whatever sins she may have committed
through the weakness of her earthly nature
may be forgiven
and that she may enjoy forever
the clear shining light of paradise."

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 13, 2008 6:42 PM

I had not realized when I wrote the above posts, the profit mohammed (Mud be upon him) built in the self distruction of Islam. (Honor Killings)

Go Mud man go.

Posted by: credit man at August 13, 2008 6:44 PM

"....just don't spend so much time on the computer.

Posted by: hindenberg "

are you frightened they might just find out the truth about Islam? The Islamic parents and Islamic clerics certainly are frightened about such knowledge being acquired by the young ones.

Discovering the truth about Islam is one of the reasons Muslims try so hard to get restrictions placed on freedom of speech.

The young people just may discover that the reasons for their miserable lives and the ever increasing deaths of their friends and neighbors are directly attributable to the followers of Islam or their parents who belong to Islam.

It really does not take much to connect the dots..

Why do you suppose the Muslims attack their own schools? Bomb internet Cafes? Ban Satellite TV antennas?, Jam radio signals?, Outlaw TV?, Forbid Non Muslim publications? Refuse to hold real interfaith discussions in Muslim lands? Kill Non Muslims for passing out Non Muslim religious reading materials? Forbid medical aid teams such as the ones trying to provide Polio vaccines and other preventive medicines to improve the lives of the children? Kill those who have discovered the truth about Islam and have wisely chosen to leave Islam?

and on and on the list goes...it clearly shows Islams ruling clerics do not want the truth about Islam getting out...for it were to happen on a large enough scale...Islam would become but a footnote in the dusty pages of old history books..

Posted by: pulsar182 at August 13, 2008 6:46 PM

@champ

You are the real losers ...by reformation you have off cut your God's voice...and the young are cruelly exposed to this lies.

This man is warped in the sense that he could not control his temper and could not win the logical argument with his daughter.

I think that he should have gone and studied the injeel...found that Jesus himself was a muslim ...and thus logically argued that there was no need for churches in the Suad as this would simply perpetuate the lie of christianity.

He is at fault certainly...he needed to educate himeslef rather than work all hours that many arab men do to try and give their daughters a decent upbringing.

The girl certainly seemed to have modelled herself on western teenager behaviour...is this right?

I think that possibly turks have the best balance & upbringing...their daughters seems to be educated ...staying within the deen AND listen to their parents.

Posted by: hindenberg at August 13, 2008 6:49 PM

Hyderberg is definitely on smoke.

Posted by: credit man at August 13, 2008 6:53 PM

The girl certainly seemed to have modelled herself on western teenager behaviour...is this right? from above

Why? Because she used modern technology? Because she actually thought for herself? Good thing she wasn't driving a car, who knows what her father would have done for that "western" behaviour.

I am refraining from typing ignoramus, oh wait, I just did.

Posted by: gymgal at August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

Thank you dumbledoresarmy

Oremus...

Posted by: jewcat at August 13, 2008 6:57 PM

American politicians who associate with Saudis are worthless vermin and should be treated exactly as such.

Posted by: Max Publius at August 13, 2008 7:01 PM

hindenberg: You're really a comedian, aren't you? If you are, you're a sick comic. But if you actually are another brain-washed Muslim, then that's even worse. Either way you need help. Fast like if the former. Faster like if the latter. Lots of luck in either case with the rest of your life.

Posted by: Wellington at August 13, 2008 7:07 PM

Hindenberg - I am not going to waste any more energy on you after this post, but I must say that it's obvious that you PESRSIST in sympathizing with the murderer (one who purposely takes the life of another) in this case. Therefore it is also obvious that you are warped, for whatever reason, but I think you were probably warped by the cult you belong to. I will pray to Jesus for your soul and for the Christian-Martyred soul of the young convert girl in Heaven as well.

Posted by: charlie at August 13, 2008 7:09 PM

sniff, sniff...Do I smell Rawalpindi?

Posted by: pulsar182 at August 13, 2008 7:13 PM

If Jesus was a muslim, he'd be a very bad one.
1. He was born to a Jewish woman, wouldn't that make him part Ape and Pig?
2. He would denounce the concept of stoning.

Calling Jesus a muslim is even more illogical than calling him a Christian.

Posted by: sh217 at August 13, 2008 7:18 PM

OK Guys. The nabi feels compelled to point out that, of course, there is nothing in the qur'an, ahadith or sira which says "kill your daughter if she dates guys or won't wear a hijab". So it's just a cultural practice of the Arabs to do this. There is no honor killing in mohametanism and you should know that mohametanism dosen't [sic] prescribe death for girls who date around unless they are married. If they are single the punishment is more like flogging. OK. Sheesh!

It sure seems that only select "Arabs" do this with any regularity for the last 14 centuries. It is an situationally reflexive expression of logically derived Qur'anic principles via a Qur'anically hypertrophied male ego thoroughly inculcated in Qur'anic misogyny, Qur'anic false piety, and Qur'anic vigilanteeism, evaluating relative (no pun intended) values and acting relatively (no pun intended) predictably. http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1699
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50128.htm

The Risala : A Treatise on Maliki Fiqh
Chapter 37. Judgements on Homicide and Hadd-Punishments

37.3b. The tariff for wilful killing

The blood money for murder, if accepted, in camels is 25 four year old she-camels, 25 five year old she-camels, 25 three year old she camels and 25 two year old she-camels The blood money for accidental homicide is 20 of each type and 20 male three year old camels.

[ If blood money is accepted or retaliation impossible due to the disparity, then the camels consist of these four types: 25 which are hiqqa, 25 which are jadha'a, 25 which are bint labûn, and 25 which are bint makhâd. In the case of the accidental killing, there are twenty of each of the four categories, as well as twenty three-year old male camels (ibn labûn). The blood money for intentional killing has less categories than the accidental killing, even thought the number is the same.

[Male camels are less valuable than female ones.]

37.3c. When a father kills his son

The blood money is made more exacting in the case a father who kills his son by throwing a piece of iron at him and killing him. He is not put to death for his death, but he must pay 30 five year old she-camels, 30 four year old she-camels and 40 khalifas, which are pregnant camels. It is said that the 'aqila [the tribe] pay that and it is also said that it comes from his own property.

[ This includes anything which he does without the intention to kill him. He is not executed because of the respect for fatherhood. If circumstances indicate the he actually intended to kill him, then he is killed for him in the well-known position.

[Ashhab takes the position of Abu Hanifa and ash-Shafi'i that the father is not killed for his son because he was the reason for his existence. Included in this judgement are mothers and grandparents.]
There is disagreement about who pays the blood money. The well-known position is that the killer, father or anyone else, pays it immediately and it is not delayed. If he has property at that time, it is taken from him. Otherwise it awaits his wealth. It is said that this heavier blood money is owed by the 'aqila (tribe). Ibn al-'Arabi says that it is the tribe which pays the blood money. It is said that it comes out of his own property if he has property. If he does not, then the tribe pays it.]

37.4. The tariff for other than Muslim men

37.4a. Half the tariff

The blood money of a woman is half that of a man. The same applies to the blood money of Kitabis, and their women is half of that of their men.

[ The blood money of a free Muslim woman is half that of a free Muslim man. So her blood money is fifty camels, in fourths or fifths according to whether the killing is accidental or deliberate. The more severe form [if the victim is a daughter] is 2/3rds of 16 and a third of camels from every type. In money, it is 500 gold dinars and 6000 silver dirhams.

The same is true for the Jews and Christians. It is half that of the Muslims based on what an-Nasa'i reports that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The blood wit of the people of the dhimma is half that of the Muslims. There is half of that blood money for Kitabi women.]
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ABewley/RisAhkam.html

BTW: Was there something particularly amusing about this particular case (which I would call foremost martyrdom, as well as an honor killing)? Not enough of a visual with the glossotomy and pyromania?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 13, 2008 7:26 PM

I think that he should have gone and studied the injeel...

You mean like Mosab Hassan Yousef?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 13, 2008 8:16 PM

It will take time, but all we need to do is educate all non muslims about the evils of islam. losers such as this hindenberg are lost to this black death cult, and will not open his eyes to life and love from religions such as Christianity. the bright Muslim who wakes up from their death cult will leave it when they realize the "Big Lie" of islam and disgusting hoax that it really is. these bright Muslims are the dangerous ones to the pious walking dead muslims with their muslim clerics, as these enlightened Musims will bury their black death cult by leaving it in droves.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 13, 2008 8:39 PM

Imagine a grown man believing that if you go walking round and around some square black rock that the Creator of the Universe is blessing and honoring and glorifying you.

Of course if silly Mohammed had written in that silly Qur'an that every good muslim is to rope an ankle up behind their backs and then wrap the rope around their necks, and then to command that if you want to be a good muslim you are to stand on one leg and hop around that big black stone a hundred times, hindenberg and his fellow silly muslims for the last fourteen hundred years would be doing this too, and these silly muslim "men" would forever think they're being blessed and honored and glorified by their god as they're hopping around together.

"Mohammed told us to ...! Kill the infidel for mocking our religion!"

Anyone got a list of other silly rituals muslim "men" perform, thinking the Creator blesses them by their performing of these silly religious rituals ...? Boy am I glad I don't have all those dopey Islamist thoughts coursing through my head hour after hour, day after day. Thank God ...!

hindenberg, the will and the intentions of the Creator are not defined and expressed within the words and the thoughts generated from the Qur'an. A true picture of the personality of the Creator cannot be gleaned from the words and the thoughts generated from the Qur'an. Islam the religion and its rituals are similar to the Incan and Mayan religions, where the Incan and Mayan priests would escort little girls, young women up the steps of a pyramid and then throw these kids into a pit of fire. The Incan and Mayan priests performed these rituals hoping for better crops, less drought, ... and to be blessed by their gods. hindenberg believes Mohammed and the Qur'an only because he knows no better.

... and Islam will be the last of the worst of the dinosaurs to die.

Posted by: k24anson at August 13, 2008 9:02 PM

Maybe Hindenburg is the murderer.

In a way, aren't all Muslim men really murderers because they condone what Allah says about murdering their daughters in the "holy" book? You all read what H said, Islam can't be reformed, they like it the way it is, no, they LOVE it the way it is. Or is it that Muslim men are particularly warped so acting out on what Allah offers just feeds their psychosis and perpetuates the vicious cycle, much to their enjoyment?

All you "good" Muslim girls out there, "don't leave Islam...it is your home and your life...may you all live long and prosper." Yeah, live a long time so you can be used to squirt out child after child after child and maybe you will be rewarded by having a couple or even several blow themselves up in the name of Allah. Yeah, that will do your heart some good! And make sure you let hubby bring any old extra wives in that he likes, because they can help with the dishes and Muslim men don't know how to be in a relationship anyway so why beat your head against a stone? Or a moon rock? And when you catch him having sex with the kids or murdering your daughters for, oh, I don't know, pick a reason, or when he dumps you and leaves you alone and takes the kids to some other woman's house to raise, just remember, Allah is a all giving, all merciful.

Yep, Islam is a beautiful thing. Now stick that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at August 13, 2008 9:23 PM

Riyadh: A Saudi man working with the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice recently killed his daughter for converting to Christianity.

Islam didn't kill this girl. Her FATHER did.

Odd how one never hears Christian societies warning Christians from watching Muslim programs lest they convert in droves.

Posted by: PMK at August 13, 2008 9:26 PM

Hi CC

I think you miss my intent here. Of course there is nothing funny about this and I agree that the girl is a martyr not only for Christians but also free thinking people everywhere.

I also agree that mohametanism inculcates a culture of hatred against women which leads to these crimes, even if such actions are not directly sanctioned by the book or tradition. Remember the Yazidi girl last year? She ran off with a mohametan boy and her family, and the whole town, did the same and since they were Yazidi and not mohametan.

What I did mean to do was ape a mohametan straw man who points out the non-mohametan nature of the crime. I did this by pointing out that well under other slightly modified circumstances, i.e. the girl is married, that the penalty IS death. I also pointed out that death is mandated for her "crime" of apostasy, as if that is in any way just or reasonable. I was saying "Do not think the mohametan so unreasonable as to kill for nothing. He must have some absurd mohametan reason to do so." Possibly my sarcasm didn't quite come through.

Hope it's a bit more clear to you now.

Posted by: zonie kafir at August 13, 2008 9:26 PM

I see her father getting 6-months in jail if he gets any time at all. It is legal in Saudi Arabia (and the Muslim world) to kill any female you want.

Posted by: Mystical Time Traveler

I see him getting congratulatory notes from everyone he knows and from many people he doesn't know. He defended Islam from his own daughter. Islam mattered more to him than his own flesh and blood. The ummah came first.

Posted by: PMK at August 13, 2008 9:31 PM

hindenberg - Jesus was Jewish, not a Muslim, and Muhammad was a false prophet:
http://www.creationapologetics.org/editorials/islamsmohammed.html

Posted by: champ at August 13, 2008 9:46 PM

Hindenberg: I personally cannot see why anybody would ever want to leave Islam. The love and mercy Allah SWT shows to his slaves is beyond words and comprehension.

All the ink in the world is insufficient to write of the superlaitives offered by Allah SWT...every leaf moves in the wind because he wills it...even every kuffar takes a breath of oxygen because he allows it.

Yes indeed Fred, Allah is responsible for all that and more. You only mention the good stuff. How about Allah creating some people just to throw them in the fire. He created also pain and suffering, and cancer cells to kill your parents. He created earthquakes and great floods and has killed millions of people...Not counting animals.

Do you mind Fred, if I stay as far away from Allah SWT as I can get? He's bad news...
I read his book and don't see anything redeeming in it...Buddha said it...'If Allah created all this suffering, he can't be good, and if he is powerless to stop it, he can't be God'...

Posted by: duh_swami at August 13, 2008 9:48 PM

[Male camels are less valuable than female ones.]

I don't want to ask why. Hopefully it's because they "squirt" (lol I love that one ISabella) out little camels?

How many jalabas does it take to make a camel diaper anyway?

Posted by: gymgal at August 13, 2008 9:56 PM

Zoni,

...Sorry.

Perhaps a little too much CLP on my hair-trigger.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 13, 2008 10:03 PM

The link posted by Champ above is fascinating. Thank you Champ. I think my favorite quote from it is "...and he will be a donkey of a man.." from Genesis. I wonder if that should translate as in "asses" or as in not quite human, or both? It's eerily accurate in any case.

Posted by: charlie at August 13, 2008 10:29 PM

Hey, Charlie. Thanks, it is a good link, and my Bible calls him a "wild ass of a man", which certainly sounds more accurate, but "donkey" must be the PC version, LOL! Either way, it sure is true.

Posted by: champ at August 13, 2008 10:39 PM

How many of your Lord's favors will ye deny?

All of them, thanks. Drive through.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at August 13, 2008 10:41 PM

It is a CASUS BELLI!

The US Troops can leave Iraq and Afghanistan to attack seriously Saudi Arabia's regime.

"Muslims are evil": No, I do not believe Muslim are evil; they are sick and their dangerous and disturbing psychological sickness is islam. The sickness, islam is very evil, but the person, the Muslim, is just a victim of the dangerous sickness (like in "I am a Legend" with Will Smith: the bad ones can be cured, they are just contaminated by a virus).

All Muslims must be cured from that islam virus.
Islam kills more than AIDS, it kills also not contaminated people!

I pray that some californian searchers find the way out from oil so that US Troops might feel free to scratch out Saudi regime and all similar regimes.

All Muslim should leave islam just like this courageous girl did.

Posted by: Coaltaxopeuh at August 14, 2008 2:13 AM

Muslims are truly Satan's followers.

Posted by: Metroplex at August 14, 2008 2:13 AM

You know how they treat their women in Muslim lands. One can only imagine what other sort of arguments this poor girl lost to her father.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at August 14, 2008 6:50 AM

Yes, the arguments. Its interesting that so many Muslim women have been killed this year, or rather, daughters of Muslim men (think Sarah and Amina who did not post any religion on their My Space pages) when they were arguing with their fathers. Are Muslim men so insecure that if they can't win the fight they have to kill? Since most men are physically stronger than women on any given day, they can end the fight/argument/disagreement by pounding the hell out of her.

But what does that say about Muslim men's ability to think? What kind of enslavement do they live under in their minds when they won't take the time to learn how to get along or learn to disagree and let someone else have an alternative opinion?

I was watching the HBO miniseries John Adams last night and in it Benjamin Franklin says something about America being founded on the ability to disagree. Perhaps that's where we need to attack this ideology. Of course with our present Congress and the PC mentality that has poisoned the atmosphere, we're not allowed to disagree either. But then, I would rather ask for forgiveness than permission.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at August 14, 2008 7:21 AM

Hindenberg,

Please blow up like your namesake, the Hindenburg, did.

But before you go, write on the blackboard 1,000 times:

Jesus was NOT a muslim.
Jesus was NOT a muslim.
Jesus was NOT a muslim.
Jesus was NOT a muslim.
Jesus was NOT a muslim.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at August 14, 2008 7:46 AM

As a Muslim, she lived in Dar Al Suicde Bombing - Hell and died into an eternal Christian Salvation - Heaven.

Posted by: American at August 14, 2008 9:31 AM

I think our balloon friend is a froll , just like Naseem was.
His message comes through beautifully, islam cannot be reformed and we should resist with everything we've got.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 14, 2008 10:10 AM

American is right - she now resides with the Jesus who saved her soul and revels in eternal salvation.

She is a Christian Martyr - she died for her Faith.

Posted by: CGW at August 14, 2008 10:13 AM

The link posted by Champ above is fascinating. Thank you Champ. I think my favorite quote from it is "...and he will be a donkey of a man.." from Genesis. I wonder if that should translate as in "asses" or as in not quite human, or both? It's eerily accurate in any case.
Posted by: charlie

Yes, in some translations it says
American Standard Version
And he shall be as a wild ass among men; his hand'shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren.
Young's Literal Translation
and he is a wild-ass man, his hand against every one, and every one's hand against him -- and before the face of all his brethren he dwelleth.'
Geneva Study Bible

And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and {f} he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

That is, the Ishmaelites will be a separate people by themselves and not part of another people.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 14, 2008 10:15 AM

"the man who has brought up the daughter in the islamic way cannot dare to see himself being challenged." Posted by: hindenberg/Freddy/Naseem

Precisely. He cannot DARE to see himself being challenged. Not by a woman, even if the woman is his own flesh and blood. He has not the courage of his convictions, and is no match for she who does. So, to make up for that, he tortures his daughter (cuts her tongue out), then brutally murders her (burns her alive).

"Rania" is a martyr. Rania's father is a torturer and a murderer.

His boss at the Commitee for Virtue and the Prevention of Vice will be very proud of him. He may even get a promotion.

According to Jesus, even a murderer, if penitent, may enter heaven. But between this world and the next, Daddy's gonna have some 'splainin' to do.

Posted by: Abscedere at August 14, 2008 11:04 AM

Re: dumbledoresarmy's lovely eulogy for Rania. I hope you don't mind my reprinting it where I write, and re: hindenberg's rant: It is the Hindenberg which crashed and burned, while the world looked on weeping, "The Humanity!" I almost read this post as deep sarcasm, and if it was, it was brilliant. Really brilliant. Reread his screed with the sarcasm he should have intended for it to have:

"A terrible tragedy....the man who has brought up the daughter in the islamic way cannot dare to see himself being challenged.

I personally cannot see why anybody would ever want to leave Islam. The love and mercy Allah SWT shows to his slaves is beyond words and comprehension.

All the ink in the world is insufficient to write of the superlaitives offered by Allah SWT...every leaf moves in the wind because he wills it...even every kuffar takes a breath of oxygen because he allows it.

His Abu was probably a hard working man bringing in the riyals so that she could have the latest phones, ipod and computers.

Unfortunetely for him...(probably not being a computer literate or blogger) didn't realise what his daughter got upto on the PC.

She would have read about the how the christian has reformed christianity to "civilise it".

She would have wanted the same for Islam...but his father knew that the words of Allah in the Koran cannot be diluted.

Kuffar have lost the will to pray...or to listen to their God...they think they know better than God himself....how dare they change the word of God....Islam will make no such mistake ...there can be no reformation...we live and pray as instructed by the everybody's Lord...Allah SWT.

In truth had he not bothered with the computers and internet...she would have been a normal saudi girl...the kuffar influence reached from afar through her eyes and ears and altered her love for Allah SWT....slowly at first ...then at pace...daring to insult her religion and her parents....where was her mother in this ?

Now, don't you all feel better?

Posted by: Jewel Atkins at August 14, 2008 1:57 PM

I would love to see Pope Benedict XVI consider this Christian martyr for sainthood. Maybe through her intercession many more muslims will be converted. Saint Rania. Sounds pretty good to me.

Posted by: imamerican at August 15, 2008 12:22 AM

This is a good time of year to consider The 800 Martyrs of Otranto

800 just beheaded... Times were simpler then.

Posted by: A Simple Sinner at August 15, 2008 1:08 AM

I have a daughter who at the age of 15 decided that going to church and believing in Jesus was not cool. I have a daughter, I still do. I did not kill her because she no longer believed in Jesus but witchcraft. I talked to her, sometimes we had heated words, but I did not kill her. I prayed, showed her the word from the Bible. My wife and I did not stop praying and talking to her about the Love of Jesus. Love of Jesus changed my little girl and helped her see that witchcraft was not the answer.
She now never misses a sunday church service even if she has to work late on saturday. She wants to go to Bible College to me a missionary.
Man I am glad I am not a muslim I would have killed a child of God. I would have killed a true beleiver of God. She needed love to show her the way. But of course I know the truth about God's love and His son Jesus. So I didn't need to kill my daughter I just need to guide her to the truth, Jesus!

My daughter is 21 now and ready to go to Bible College.

Posted by: Chuck at August 15, 2008 9:27 AM

dumbledoresarmy,

Thank you. I just forwarded this story and the beautiful prayer you posted to my whole address book.

For Rania the New Martyr, may her memory be eternal!

Posted by: Provoslavni at August 17, 2008 12:54 AM

Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection and the Life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; - John 11:25

Posted by: KevinQC at August 17, 2008 8:02 PM