Ends justify the means. Our ends.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at August 15, 2008 11:07 AM

The religion of peace in action!
How many "peaceful" Muslims have read it?

Posted by: PMK at August 15, 2008 11:08 AM

All that sugar in the cake - diabetic coma!

The only innovation in Islamic culture - finding new and different ways to kill kufirs since 700 BC.

Posted by: tanstaafl at August 15, 2008 11:17 AM

'Another method listed is wrapping the target in "a strong plastic bag", which the book says hardly leaves a trace on the body and could leave the impression that it was suicide....'

LOL...come on.
Really?

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at August 15, 2008 11:17 AM

This has been in the works for a while.
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002220.html

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 15, 2008 11:53 AM

It stupifies me the ingenuity with which these jihadists approach murder. If they would just offer a slight fraction of their ingenuity to the betterment of humanity (infidel & muslim), what a better place this world would be.

Posted by: David England at August 15, 2008 11:54 AM

Al Qaeda Training Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2FQyevc-i0

Posted by: Hugh at August 15, 2008 11:57 AM

Imagine spending your life thinking up ways to kill people. What a "religion".

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 15, 2008 12:11 PM

Other weapons to ponder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DZHtrYlLhU&feature=related

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 15, 2008 12:18 PM

Leftist pie-throwers are always a risk on campus, but the next pie could kill.
....................................

I've always disliked pie throwing. Throwing a pie is not an argument, and the attack is quite frightening for the victim until he realizes it is no more than a pie.

Not only is pie throwing meant to make the victim look foolish--standing there covered in pie--but often the victim is laughed at for "over-reacting" or being a coward--i.e., flinching before being pied. There is always the implication that the victim "can't take a joke". In addition, a pieing almost always stops the victim from speaking, at least until they can clean up.

Still, in the whole scheme of things, pieing someone, while disrespectful and childish, is not an act of great violence. With the tactics listed in this jihadi manual, that could change.

more from the article:

"It is dedicated to various people including: "the prisoners languishing in the prisons of tyrants be it infidels, apostates or hypocrites, Christians or Jews or Infidels, Idolater and apostate"."

Now, many jihadists have been apprehended by "Christians or Jews"--Israel or the West. But there is more going on with this "dedication". That would be Takfir--the idea that *any* regime or entity, even those that are clearly Muslim, are by definition "apostates or hypocrites" if they dare to imprison jihadists.

Posted by: gravenimage at August 15, 2008 12:45 PM

Ooo, interestinconundrum... bitchin'.

Posted by: undaunted at August 15, 2008 1:12 PM

perhaps they willput put suicide belts on pies, come near one and boom pie all over you.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 15, 2008 1:53 PM

Could someone please explain again why all of us do not support deporting all Muslims including citizens from the West? I'm all ears.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at August 15, 2008 1:56 PM

Cuz everyone ain't as smart as us?

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2008/08/another-quickie.html

Posted by: undaunted at August 15, 2008 2:25 PM

DenverRodeo,

Probably because "all of us" includes those individuals and entities who profit daily from relationships (be they politicians,diplomats or ex-diplomats,petro-business related,State dept.,DOD,academia/publishing,bankers offering Sharia options,and even an ever growing encroachment into law enforcement) with nations,kingdoms,organizations and individuals ,who ever coyly ,seek to promote the "slow Jihad" aimed at removing all obstacles to the spread of islam.

Such enablers are the primary culprits in this ongoing drama and wouldn't hesitate to oppose any and all ,through ridicule ,and if necessary, prosecution (ever encroaching in the US) who threaten their golden goose.

That's before we get to practitioners of totalitarian ideologies who consider muslims to be sufficient cannon fodder toward their own aims.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at August 15, 2008 2:41 PM

We need G.C. Scott, I guess I didn't mean literally "ALL" of us, I meant all of us here who are against Islam.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at August 15, 2008 3:21 PM

--like the guy with pie on his face, for example, from what I understand, Horowitz would be against deporting all Muslims.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at August 15, 2008 3:22 PM

Right on DenverRodeo,there is indeed a differing of opinion on how to deal with this dilemma within the camp of those who can see the big picture and where the future may be heading. Perhaps many just see mass deportation as impractical,especially considering the current immigration situation.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at August 15, 2008 3:57 PM

Put this story together with the one about the Muslim in a hotel room in Denver with a pound of cyanide.

Think about how cyanide acts.

Word to interestinconundrum who wrote:" Imagine spending your life thinking up ways to kill people. What a "religion"." Yep. Human sacrifice cult. More and more I become convinced that Human Sacrifice is the big secret at the core of Islam.

I've been going through the archives here and ran across something to which another poster drew our attention, 3 years ago, and which I promptly copied and kept in a file that I call 'Nasty Muslim Texts'.

It bears re-posting in this thread, because it lays out the mindset to a T. They really ARE supposed to spend their time cherishing and nourishing hatred against the kafir, plotting and planning and inciting murder and then, if they can, translating that hate and those plans into murderous action.

QUOTE

"Xcerpt from `ENTIRE QURAN IS A MANUAL ON JIHAD`

"The Hadis collections, commentaries on the Quran (tafsIr), and treatises on this specific Islamic lore also proclaim that the so-called Ayats on jihAd “revealed” at Medina pertain to only one form of jihAd, namely, jihAd bil saif - striving by the sword.

" At the same time they mention three other forms of jihAd as follows:

"jihAd bil nafs: striving by the heart or conscience, that is, cursing the KAfirs silently or in private if conditions do not permit cursing them publicly by means of speech and writing etc.

"jihAd bil lasAn: striving by the tongue or word of mouth, that is, preaching against the KAfirs publicly, pasting pejorative labels on them, and threatening them with the defeat and disgrace which await them in this world, and the doom hereafter.

"jihAd bil qalam: striving by the pen, that is, writing down on paper and other materials what one has harboured in one’s heart or harangued in one’s speeches or plans to say at the appropriate opportunity. The written material is used for preservation of the Polemics as well as for its wider circulation.

http://voi.org/books/tcqp/chi3.htm

"Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 21, 2005 12:58 AM" ENDQUOTE

Khazaal's activities fall into all three categories - jihad of the soul, jihad of the tongue, and jihad of the pen.

Pray that the twelve Aussies who are now hearing what Khazaal was up to - all that poisonous s**t he was contemplating, and compiling, and spreading about to incite others like himself - are capable of exercising their common sense and seeing what's in front of them: a Nazi-like ideology of perpetual hatred against The Other.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 15, 2008 5:47 PM

This argument again?

Some of us are descended from groups or tribes that were once the targets of American ethnic cleansing. We seem to have lost our taste for such things afterwards.

Mass deportations on the basis of religion is against both the Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses. If you want to argue that Islam is not, in fact, a religion, you'll have to ask SCOTUS to set down what religions are and are not. Do that and you may not get an answer you like.

It seems that some are willing to annihilate the pluralistic, liberal culture in which they live in order to defend it. I will be generous and assume their sense of irony was removed at birth.

What should really make you sweat isn't American immigration policy, but the 200 million Muslims who live in India and China. Those who mean to deny access to science and technology to Muslims will have to do something to reverse the economic explosion that's affecting about a third of the human race.

You have fun with that, now.

Posted by: Not Telling at August 15, 2008 9:12 PM

Not Telling

you're a Mohammedan, eh?

If you're dreaming of a Mohammedan takeover of Russia and of China, and subsequent subjection of the entire planet to the delusion and desolation of Mohammedanism, for the glutting of the appetites of a few horrible caliphs and the utter misery of everybody else...

Let me tell you something. Neither the Bear nor the Dragon are hampered by any of the scruples that have, so far, prevented Western Europe and India and Thailand and the Philippines and the USA and Canada from a. recognising and b. removing a clear and present danger, that is, the presence in their midst of people among whom are far too many who actively harbour, teach and seek to put into practice a supremacist totalitarian ideology of World Conquest which dehumanises and names as Prey all persons who refuse to join, or pay Protection Money to, the Gang (aka the Ummah).

The Bear likes vodka. The Dragon likes rice wine, and pork. Both like pretty women who walk down the street with uncovered hair. Both like music. Both like dancing (Russian ballet; Chinese opera), and sculpture, and poetry, and art that represents living beings.

Sharia forbids lots of good things that the Bear and the Dragon like.

The Ummah represents Competition.

At present the Bear and the Dragon may be doing deals with some parts of the Ummah; but the moment the Bear and the Dragon recognise the nature of the Mohammedan beast, the Mohammedans will not be able to find a hole deep enough to hide in.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 15, 2008 10:12 PM

Not telling: I suggest you look up the word "cult." You might not like what you find. While you're at it, look up "Branch Davidians," "the Manson Family," and "outlawed polagamy". Freedom of religion is protected in this country but so is freedom FROM violent cults.

Posted by: charlie at August 15, 2008 11:29 PM

It's just a matter of time before the "religion" called Islam is found in a court of law to be nothing more than another violent, twisted cult, so not only will you be hiding in holes from the Bear and the Dragon, you won't be able to hide in plain view under the Eagle any more either.

Posted by: charlie at August 16, 2008 12:24 AM

"you're a Mohammedan, eh?"

I'm sorry, DD, the correct answer was Methodist. Thanks for playing though! We're all winners when we try our best. =)

"At present the Bear and the Dragon may be doing deals with some parts of the Ummah; but the moment the Bear and the Dragon recognise the nature of the Mohammedan beast, the Mohammedans will not be able to find a hole deep enough to hide in."

Brutal regimes are very good at killing and imprisoning people. They seem to have a hard time doing the same to ideas. The Chinese have attempted, and failed, to burn away Tibetan nationalism for decades. Soviet social engineering could not wean Poland from Catholicism. Ovens and gas chambers didn't end Judaism. Nero couldn't even wipe out a Jewish splinter sect using lions and pyres. People died or were stuck into memory holes, but their memes persisted.

Nero failed when the only safe way to communicate your faith was to cross your fingers behind your back. How much worse would he have done contending with decentralized wireless communication? (Note how this ties in with the original post above, and its online assassination manual.)

The fact is this: you have no big brother who is going to show up and kick Islam's butt for you. If your goal is the conversion, death or imprisonment of a billion-plus people who live across the width of the entire globe, you lost the fight before you even started.

"It's just a matter of time before the 'religion' called Islam is found in a court of law to be nothing more than another violent, twisted cult"

You vote for your guys, I'll vote for mine and in the long run we're both worm food. Sound like a plan? =)

Posted by: Not Telling at August 16, 2008 12:41 AM

I wonder if Christianity can spread in the Muslim Middle east. This could be an interesting wild card.

Posted by: Family Values at August 16, 2008 1:00 AM

"in the long run we're both worm food" from a Muhammedan poster above.

Its about the in-between, brother. Keeping Muhammedanism out and away from our shores is all we need.

Who says we can't do that?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 16, 2008 1:01 AM

Sheik Yer'mami

You sound like a fascist moron. LGF lizard by any chance?

Posted by: Family Values at August 16, 2008 1:04 AM

Pardon me, but no, "you vote for your guys and I'll vote for mine" doesn't sound like a plan. Not if you're talking about a jury who has been instructed to uphold the law, unless you plan on losing.

Posted by: charlie at August 16, 2008 1:14 AM

Looks like we have a serious troll infestation on this thread.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 16, 2008 2:52 AM

"Pardon me, but no, 'you vote for your guys and I'll vote for mine' doesn't sound like a plan. Not if you're talking about a jury who has been instructed to uphold the law, unless you plan on losing."

The phrase is "strict scrutiny". There is a class of rights that are considered so precious that any law restricting them must pass the tightest inspection SCOTUS can muster. The justices must agree that the law serves compelling state interest and that the law is narrowly tailored to meet that interest. Also, there must be no less restrictive means to serving that interest.

(My Gov't professor would be proud.)

See the issue of Mormon polygamy: It's legal to be Mormon and it's legal to preach polygamy, but it's illegal to take more than one wife.

Branch Dividians? If you desire, you can call David Koresh God, but you can't stockpile illegal weaponry and abuse children in his name.

Don't want people to blow you up or kill their own kids? Wonderful. Thing is, there are all sorts of laws against blowing people up or killing your own children. In a phrase we Republicans use a lot, the issue is not one of law, but one of enforcement.

Night, everybody.

Posted by: Not Telling at August 16, 2008 4:36 AM

Don't go to any Islamic food outlets...they are poo poo...literally.

Posted by: herself at August 16, 2008 11:26 AM

Not Telling,

I think your're a bit off with your population figures. The number of Moslems in India and China is more like 150, not 200, million. And those in China are almost all in a couple of outer provinces.
There are more Christians than Moslems in India and China.

Posted by: ebonystone at August 16, 2008 1:08 PM

From above...in the long run we're both worm food".

That's fine for then, but this is now.

Foolish statement of the day::::From above. Branch Dividians? If you desire, you can call David Koresh God, but you can't stockpile illegal weaponry and abuse children in his name.

Who abused those children more, David Keresh, or Clinton/Reno? Tortured for 51 days and then killed. Swell, now there's a great version of Children's Protective Services... How about the elite 'hostage rescue team', who rescued not one child??? They killed a lot of people but they never 'rescued' anyone.
Had the Clinton/Reno team never pulled this raid as they did, those children would still be alive, as well as a lot of innocent adults...This shameful event has so many coats of white wash on it, that it has been totally covered up, and nearly forgotten.

But does oppressive government ever learn? The raid on the Texas Mormon offshoot church was done with tanks, and guys with helmets and automatic weapons. A slight slip up could have been another Waco...brought to us by whom? Oh yeah all those child molesting polygamist's, certainly not government. It takes tanks to arrest people like them....

Posted by: duh_swami at August 16, 2008 1:30 PM

"I think your're a bit off with your population figures. The number of Moslems in India and China is more like 150, not 200, million. And those in China are almost all in a couple of outer provinces."

Didn't check my source; it's about 180 million between the two nations.

"There are more Christians than Moslems in India and China."

CIA World Factbook estimates about 40 million Chinese Christians. There are about 20 million in India. In my math classes, 60 million was less than 180 million. (Even if you want to give credence to the estimate that fully 10% of China is Christian, that's still going to be less than 180 million people.)

I still stand by my point: There are 180 million Muslims in a region that is slowly transforming itself into the center of the world; how do you intend to shut them out?

Posted by: Not Telling at August 16, 2008 8:16 PM

Not Telling - As far as I can see, you didn't actually make a point. You gave a fact (which may or may not be accurate) and you asked a question. Just what IS your point anyway? Maybe what we have here is just a failure to cummunicate, but I've been following this thread since last night, and I'm still not sure what your point is. Granted you are probably full of information that your professors are proud of, but to what purpose?

Posted by: charlie at August 16, 2008 8:25 PM

Point? I'll even italicize it this time:

The fact is this: you have no big brother who is going to show up and kick Islam's butt for you. If your goal is the conversion, death or imprisonment of a billion-plus people who live across the width of the entire globe, you lost the fight before you even started.

My point is that I think many of the commenters here are irrational with their approach to handling the Takfiri threat. Mass deportations? Somehow ending the flow of data and money into regions with high Muslim populations? These aren't plans; they're fantasies. They're the fantasies of people who are powerless to deal with a threat we as a nation had ignored for decades until we were suddenly and devastatingly attacked at home.

"a fact (which may or may not be accurate)"

You can take up any statistical anomalies with the CIA. They could use the help. =)

Posted by: Not Telling at August 16, 2008 8:49 PM

sheik - I think you're right. I think we have at least one Tokyo Rose (or should I call it a Dementor?) broadcasting in this thread. The boasting about the immensity and power and fast growth of the ummah, and the use of the term Takfiri, which to the best of my knowledge NO non-Muslim poster here, in all of five years of often detailed discussion, has ever bothered to use, since it applies only to intra-Ummah relations, clinched it for me.

General observation: it might be worth someone's while to go over a month's or a fortnight's threads, when they're archived, and keep track of which topics attracted the most Boggarts and Dementors.

Which news items do they ignore? Which ones do they fasten on, and frantically try to deflect attention from?

And what is it that they DO NOT want us to do, or even think about doing?

If it appears that they want to drive us off a particular topic, or shut down discussion of a particular tactic (note well the hysteria that rises whenever Kafir begin discussing the idea that Muslims, any Muslims, should be removed from the Lands of the Infidel? and what if any further immigration of Muslims should be halted, in one kafir land after another? - neither of these things is, in fact, impossible nor unthinkable) then whatever it is they want to distract us from should be what we focus on most resolutely, and continue discussing.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 16, 2008 9:19 PM

Dumbles, with a program like this we would have all bases covered in no time:

Immigration moratorium,
crackdown on illegals, internment & deportations
Full building stop on mosques and madrassahs
No welfare for (Muslim) spouses for 10 years
No child-support after 2 children
Rigorous law enforcement, no more exceptions
Massive anti-Islam/ anti-sharia campaigns supported by government
Warning to women not to get involved with Muslim men
Monitoring of mosques and madrassas
No taxpayer funding for mosques and madrassahs or Islamic clerics
No Muslims in government positions like immigration, the police, tax-department, or airport security.

Not necessarily in that order, but that would send a lot of the taqiyya spin meisters packing. And everyone of them, I mean everyone who is involved in promoting sharia or engages in subversive activities, must be stripped of citizenship and deported within one year. That would certainly send a message that we mean business.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 16, 2008 9:54 PM

Wow looks like almost 24 hours later we are able to continue this discussion without mindless "fact-laden" "professor-proven" seemingly pointless tirades.

Posted by: charlie at August 16, 2008 11:02 PM

I think a first step would be to cut off immigration of all possibly violent cult members. After that deal with the rest in a legal, non-violent manner. If non-violence doesn't work - we do have tanks don't we?

Posted by: charlie at August 16, 2008 11:15 PM

"Wow looks like almost 24 hours later we are able to continue this discussion without mindless 'fact-laden' 'professor-proven' seemingly pointless tirades."

I got tired of bringing light to the darkness and watched some Olympics. You boys have fun playing pretend without me, now. =)

Posted by: Not Telling at August 17, 2008 12:03 AM

The most insane cult members should be identified first (that's not too difficult)- then sent back to the dark cauldon of hell from whence they came.

Posted by: charlie at August 17, 2008 12:21 AM

sheik

agreed to every item on your list. (At least one item on it is something that at least one major apostate from Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, has recommended. She has repeatedly stressed that Islamic Schools should not be permitted in non-Muslim countries).

I wrote recently to the very conservative Australian think-tank that brought Ayaan Hirsi Ali to Australia only a month or two ago.

I explained to them that although I had a long history on the 'other side' of politics from theirs, I was so convinced that Islam represented a Clear and Present Danger to everything that I as an Australian held dear, that I would support policies x y and z relating to Muslims.

To wit:

a complete ban on all MUSLIM immigration (basically, no more Muslims to enter Australia under any circumstances, period);

stripping of citizenship and deportation for any Muslim found to be inciting, enabling or plotting Jihad or supporting the imposition of Sharia in Australia by any means (this would also apply to Muslims found to have been clandestinely practising or solemnising Muslim polygyny and other sharia customs such as marriage to prepubescent girls);

the closing of all Islamic Schools;

monitoring of all mosques and the shutting down of any mosque found to have been frequented by jihad plotters or preachers or to be purveying literature promoting jihad, antisemitism and the imposition of sharia.

Oh: and cessation of all military or economic 'aid' to Muslim countries,

redirecting the resources thus saved, into a concerted effort to help countries such as India, Thailand and the Philippines defeat the Jihads which are being waged against them both from within and from without.

I suggest, sheik, that you write to the same people and send them *your* wish-list.

And any idiot who says it is the 'white Australia policy' redivivus will have to get round the fact that Australian counter-jihadists like you and me - even while utterly forbidding *Muslim* immigration - are only too happy to see non-Muslim refugees from Jihad given asylum in Australia - Coptic Christians, Assyrian Christians, Hindus and Buddhists from Bangladesh, Hindus and Christians and Sikhs from Malaysia, Christians and Hindus from Pakistan, Sudanese Christians (but not Sudanese Muslims), Hindus from Bali, Chinese non-Muslims from Indonesia, Melanesian Christians from West Papua, etc.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 18, 2008 12:43 AM