Hopefully Savage will regroup after increasing protective measures. And hopefully he will be able to tie the threat to its sponsors.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 15, 2008 4:22 PM

Considering that other Talk-Show Hosts,ie.ALAN BERG(also a Jewish-American) have been MURDERED, by AMERICA-HATERS/ANTI-SEMITES(in Berg's case NEO-NAZIS), there is no doubt that ISLAMONAZI JIHADISTS would threaten an outspoken Michael Savage for standing up to them , performing "Counter-Da'awa", and than SUING their FRONT Group for what amounts to INTIMIDATION!
The ONLY Place "CAIR" could have even prevailed in Court was in the Capital of Left-Wing America-Bashing,San Francisco.
Now, by DEATH THREATS against Savage ,they took that INTIMIDATION to a HIGHER LEVEL, with the result being that a Brave American had to back-off of his Constitutionally Guaranteed LEGAL RIGHTS or risk FACING the ultimate JIHAD WEAPON!
WAKE-UP AMERICA

Posted by: CHOI at August 15, 2008 4:24 PM

CHOI, dude, calm down. You're gonna bust a vessel, shouting like that.

As much as I despise Savage, I wouldn't wish harm on him or his family. It's just a darned shame he couldn't haul the all the kiddies down at CAIR into court and squeeze all of their funding information out of them.
With their post-9/11 membership down about 90%, or so, I have to wonder where all the funds are coming from.

*cough! cough! (saudigovernment) cough!*

Posted by: give me doughnuts at August 15, 2008 4:32 PM

Threats to our families are the worst kind of threat, its bad enough to have threat to yourself, but when its against your family, well not much is worth the price to pay. l would add that just having a radio show and talking against islmaists, Savage will have threats against him and his family. its too late Mr.Savage unfortuanately you will have to be very careful from these cowardly islamists mobsters.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 15, 2008 4:38 PM

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said the Islamic organization had "nothing whatsoever" to do with any threats and that any allegations to that effect would be "scurrilous."

So, did he condemn the threats?

Posted by: Sounder at August 15, 2008 4:47 PM

Why is it that FBI goes into overdrive when any Muslim scum organization even falsely claims of death threats and outspoken people like Savage are threatened and the agencies sleepwalk? Has Dhimmitude hit American security agencies too? Where are the ACTIVE defenders of free speech in the "land of the free and home of the BRAVE"? We CANNOT let the Islamic scum silence us infidels.

Posted by: IndianTiger at August 15, 2008 4:50 PM

Savage has been savaging Muslims and Islam for years; now suddenly he gets a death threat that makes him back down? It can't be a coincidence this death threat relates to his actions against CAIR, and it must be an unusually credible threat to make Savage back down. Even if the ones making the threat are not "officially" connected to CAIR, one thing's for sure: they are acting to protect CAIR, so at best CAIR has some murderous supporters.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at August 15, 2008 4:50 PM

No reason we can't all prepare to face any threat.

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2007/08/give-me-back-my.html

Posted by: undaunted at August 15, 2008 4:50 PM

Good point Sounder. Very good.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 15, 2008 4:51 PM

Savage dropped the law suit becasue he knew he would lose again, not for any other reason.

Like all media gadflies, he seeks to capitalize on the negative innuendo he is casting at his hated foe as he bows out...nothing more.

Truth

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at August 15, 2008 4:54 PM

The court filing gave no details, but in a telephone interview Horowitz said the factors included an alleged phone threat to Savage. Horowitz said he wasn't accusing the Islamic group of making threats, but said Savage didn't want to take the risk that the case could inspire a "lone nut" to try to harm his family.

So, I suppose if you have a family then you had better not offend islam or they will die, is that correct?

Welcome to the third world America; it is only just beginning.

CAIR deserves a lot of credit actually; not only do they have most of the US government under their heel but they can get lawsuits dropped through intimidation and death threats.

9/11 was the best thing that ever happened for the islamic movement it seems.

I'm not sure that the various mobs can garner that kind of clout that CAIR apparently has this country.

Hats off to CAIR I guess, the really know how to do business in America.

Posted by: witness at August 15, 2008 4:55 PM

Abdullah Mikail,

Did you make the threat? You seem to be enjoying the intimidation.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 15, 2008 4:58 PM

OT, this movie might be worth the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM9OkgCP10c

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 15, 2008 4:58 PM

I enjoy legal matters and following court cases...you should read the entire transcripts of the HLF trial...I have almost eveyr week of transcpipts...what an embarassing sham....our government prosecutors are unfortunately so stupid they are beyond help...they basically went to trial with nothing but opinion conjecture and the unindicted co-conspirator schmears.

The only thing that drug it out is the desire in the judiciary to bow to the Hawks in Washington because they want a conviction.

Unfortunately even when we Muslims get a fair trial and justice is served with acquittals and they are proven innocent bigots don't like it.

What can I say? There has been a lynch mob mentality in the US for centuries.

Truth

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at August 15, 2008 5:17 PM

Savage dropped the law suit becasue he knew he would lose again, not for any other reason.

Like all media gadflies, he seeks to capitalize on the negative innuendo he is casting at his hated foe as he bows out...nothing more.

Truth

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at August 15, 2008 4:54 PM

How do you know, Abdullah the Mohammedan? Not biased, are you?

Lie.

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2008 5:24 PM

What can I say? There has been a lynch mob mentality in the US for centuries. --Abdullah the Mohammedan

Oh really? Well, why don't you go and live in an Islamic country where all is fair and just, LOL!

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2008 5:25 PM

Like all media gadflies, he seeks to capitalize on the negative innuendo he is casting at his hated foe as he bows out...nothing more. posted by Abdullah or whatever his name is today.

And isn't that just what the Muslims do? Except they don't "bow out" until the court throws them out.

Posted by: gymgal at August 15, 2008 5:33 PM

9/11 was the best thing that ever happened for the islamic movement it seems. --witness

You are so right. It's unfathomable. They mass-murder over 3,000 of our citizens, incinerate them, and yet somehow...somehow...no one can say anything bad about Islam and Mohammedans! You can't even say the word "Jihad." You can't even mention an Islamic Terrorist attack in which numerous innocent people are murdered, or YOU are accused of "hate!"

It's insane. Totally insane. Mohammedans are laughing their heads off at our insanity! Why wait? Why don't we just hand over the West to the Islamic Barbarians, now?

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2008 5:36 PM

What can I say? There has been a lynch mob mentality in the US for centuries. --Abdullah the Mohammedan

You must be hundreds of years old!

LOL!

I think you have us confused with dar-el-islam!

or maybe Saudi Jihadia, the land of religious and gender apartheid!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl at August 15, 2008 5:36 PM

"acquittals and they are proven innocent" Hardly proves innocence. In many instances it proves lack of evidence. Fair enough. That's how western fairness of justice works unlike Islamic justice, like how impossible it is for Muslim women who have been raped to come up with four witnesses to prove the act.

Posted by: Sounder at August 15, 2008 5:36 PM

interestinconundrum;

Great clip. Thanks.

Posted by: undaunted at August 15, 2008 5:38 PM

"Saudi Jihadia" --Ynkedoodl

Oh, that's good, YankeeDoodle! So right!

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2008 5:38 PM

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at August 15, 2008 4:54 PM

Hello again Abdullah.

Abdullah is a regular commenter at FPM, and he is quite critical of Spencer's positions, but has been relatively fair in his criticisms, although I don't agree with nearly everything he says.

Name-calling is probably not warranted here at JW. There is enough of that at FPM.

Posted by: awake at August 15, 2008 5:40 PM

Scheduled jury selection to begin on Aug. 21 and the retrial for Sept. 8. (Re the HLF Drama Rama)

http://www.law.com/jsp/tx/PubArticleTX.jsp?id=1202423767737

More transcripts to follow along with!

Posted by: Ladywolfnl at August 15, 2008 5:42 PM

"...like how impossible it is for Muslim women who have been raped to come up with four witnesses to prove the act.

Posted by: Sounder at August 15, 2008 5:36 PM

Right. Which is why Islamic countries love to brag that they have no rape. The truth, however, is that there's rape galore, but the rape victims are too intimidated to report, knowing that if they can't supply the impossible - 4 witnesses - THEY will be imprisoned on either fornication or adultery charges. Islamic prisons are filled with girls and women whose only "crime" is that they are rape victims. There is 0 justice for rape victims in Islamia.

There is also the chance, highly probable, that if they report rape, their families will murder them. So, they don't report.

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2008 5:51 PM

So, who was Bush lying to:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html , right after 9/11?

Oh that's right, Americans will believe anything their POTUS/commande-in-chief parrots, even if it is right from his extended family quote-book. But then, Ameeicans elected him, not his Al-Sauds. So, guess the cruel joks is on Americans.
And, in a democracy, people get the gov. they deserve.

Posted by: Alert at August 15, 2008 6:00 PM

Abdullah Mikail,

Did you make the threat? You seem to be enjoying the intimidation.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 15, 2008 4:58 PM

Just like allah the pre-Islamic Arabian pagan moon deity that doesn't exist, would.

allah hates all Infidels, and enjoys the heck out of seeing them intimidated and mass-murdered. Merciless allah, uncompassionate allah.

The irony of which is that allah is a fictional character, like zeus or jupiter, and doesn't exist.

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2008 6:09 PM

I enjoy listening to Savage. I gave money to Savage for this lawsuit, but let's face it Michael Savage has his vulnerabilities and weaknesses.

First of all Michael Savage supports a Palestinian terror state in Israel. Yes, please don't tell me I am lying. I challenged him on his program a few years back.

Then during the second Lebanon war (August 2006) Mr. Savage complained that Israel was killing too many Shiites in Lebanon, in south Beirut. I was astonished. Here is a man that says, "Kill them! Kill them all!" I would never say anything like this on the air.

The past few days Savage has been taking Russia's side -- in a manner of speaking -- in her invasion of Georgia. I'm not sure where Mr. Savage stands. He's a flag-waving American, self-describe nationalist. For a Jew, this is in and of itself problematic.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 6:20 PM

I enjoy listening to Savage. I gave money to Savage for this lawsuit, but let's face it Michael Savage has his vulnerabilities and weaknesses.

First of all Michael Savage supports a Palestinian terror state in Israel. Yes, please don't tell me I am lying. I challenged him on his program a few years back.

Then during the second Lebanon war (August 2006) Mr. Savage complained that Israel was killing too many Shiites in Lebanon, in south Beirut. I was astonished. Here is a man that says, "Kill them! Kill them all!" I would never say anything like this on the air.

The past few days Savage has been taking Russia's side -- in a manner of speaking -- in her invasion of Georgia. I'm not sure where Mr. Savage stands. He's a flag-waving American, self-describe nationalist. For a Jew, this is in and of itself problematic.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 6:20 PM

Savage has made some pretty stupid comments, and also some very perceptive ones, but at least he's entertaining.
Really, the governemnt should be demanding to know CAIR's financial sources, not a private citizen. The whole "War on Terror" is 20% security and 80% farce.

Posted by: jewdog at August 15, 2008 6:21 PM

He's a very bright man Jewdog. He reads the Bible on the air to his radio listening audience. Would that he had absorbed what he read.

In the book of Numbers, there is the story of the spies Moses sends into "Canaan" to spy out the land. The spies brought back a very discouraging report. The said there were giants in the land and "we were but grasshoppers" in their sight.

Thus they discouraged the sons of Israel from taking possession of the land. Only Joshua and Caleb encouraged the people to put their trust in God.

Savage reminds me of a grasshopper. He is a very fearful man. Otherwise why does he support a Muslim terror state in Israel? Where is his faith in the Almighty?

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 6:33 PM

With their post-9/11 membership down about 90%, or so, I have to wonder where all the funds are coming from.
*cough! cough! (saudigovernment) cough!*
Posted by: give me doughnuts

Where did some of George W. Bush's (Arbusto / Harken Energy) wealth come from? Where did some of Carlyle Senior Advisor Bush Sr.'s wealth come from? Where was the Carlyle Group's meeting on 911? Who attended the meeting?

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 6:48 PM

If by "taking Russia's side" you mean noting the exact parallel between American lies about genocide in Kosovo back in the late 1990s and Russian lies about genocide in South Ossetia these days, I'm sympathetic. But other than considering how our foreign policy in the Balkans was the proximate cause of Russian policy in the Caucuses, I don't find any common cause with the Russians or favor their arguments. Russian media comparing their actions to the US after 9/11 is just one step above the DPRK news agency, but with less entertaining old Communist colloquialisms.

Posted by: Beagle at August 15, 2008 6:58 PM

If by "taking Russia's side" you mean noting the exact parallel between American lies about genocide in Kosovo back in the late 1990s and Russian lies about genocide in South Ossetia these days, I'm sympathetic.
Posted by: Beagle

I think it insane for Bush and McCain and the Republicans (my party) to support the establishment of any more jihadist states, whether in Kosovo or in Israel. You've got no argument from me.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 7:04 PM

Er, Caucasus.
It's really uncanny how the Russians picked an exact duplicate of the situation in Kosovo to highlight the hypocrisy of US foreign policy concerning self-determination versus national sovereignty.

The lying about Serbian genocide continues to this day. Milosevic died in custody without a prima facie case being established, after years of effort. The Russians are really enjoying throwing it back at us.

Posted by: Beagle at August 15, 2008 7:13 PM

Savage is a man who sees Mexican Catholics as a bigger threat to American than the 911 hijackers.

Michael Savage has spent years railing against the Mexican invasion, all the while CIAR and their allies have been lying in wait for the little man.

So let's go after Catholics. Let's go after Mexicans. Surely there were one or two Catholics on those 911 jets.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 7:18 PM

seeing as it has been reported that cair is the muslim brotherhoods usa's covert arm the statement "CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said the Islamic organization had "nothing whatsoever" to do with any threats and that any allegations to that effect would be "scurrilous."
like there dead leader mohamad when the said out load will no one rid me of this poet mr hopper could do the same and since he just made a comment and no orders were given he can claim denability on the death treats

Hooper said, "It's clear that this baseless and frivolous lawsuit wasn't going anywhere and he decided to cut his losses."...
naa more likely given jihadist tendencys to decapitate like mr pearl it was more llikely his head he did not want to loose

Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at August 15, 2008 7:37 PM

"CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said the Islamic organization had "nothing whatsoever" to do with any threats and that any allegations to that effect would be "scurrilous."

Hooper said, "It's clear that this baseless and frivolous lawsuit wasn't going anywhere and he decided to cut his losses."..."

As I wrote above, I gave to the Savage legal defense fund. My gosh, was that ever hard earned money down the drain. Savage announced a few days later, most of his donations came from a certain racial / ethnic group. I wonder who that racial group was? Could it have been from my race? Or perhaps it was from Mr. Hooper's race / ethnicity / religion? Savage never said. He's afraid to identify with his own people. Maybe?

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 7:57 PM

Robert Spencer has a family. Hugh, Bill Warner, Pamela Geller, Michelle Malkin, and many others have families too. Does anyone believe they haven’t had threats? Anyone who would stand up to “them” should be afraid for their family, but if no one stands up to “them” due to fear for their family then we have already lost.

God bless those brave souls who risk all, including their families, to save all, our families. Thank you.

Posted by: butterfly at August 15, 2008 8:09 PM

Robert Spencer has a family. Hugh, Bill Warner, Pamela Geller, Michelle Malkin, and many others have families too. Does anyone believe they haven’t had threats? Anyone who would stand up to “them” should be afraid for their family, but if no one stands up to “them” due to fear for their family then we have already lost....God bless those brave souls who risk all, including their families, to save all, our families. Thank you.

Posted by: butterfly at August 15, 2008 8:09 PM

You're right but it is more than that. It's a matter of being consistent. Savage has not been consistent in my opinion. When you are inconsistent, you leave yourself open to the enemy.

This is what is happening to President Bush. Bush has not been consistent. Our enemies see this inconsistency and weakness and they take advantage of these weaknesses and inconsistencies as the Russians and the Iranians are doing. Same holds true with Savage.

We have to know who the enemy is. Savage's enemies are virtually everywhere. Let's stay focused. We have an enemy.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 15, 2008 8:21 PM

What can I say? There has been a lynch mob mentality in the US for centuries.

Truth

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail

Hey, Troll. Truth? With a comment like that, you do not know what Truth is. Obviously.

Why are Mohammadeans incapable of speaking or even knowing the Truth?

Truth - ha! Next he'll be trying to convince us that Islam is a religion of peace.

Posted by: champ at August 15, 2008 9:12 PM

butterfly,

what an excellent post! I join you in thanking everyone who stands up for what's right for our country, for humanity too. For speaking out.

It's just sad that most of the politicians are sitting and silent.

And regarding this Russia thing.....well, Bush has gone on his vacation so.....

Hmmmmm isn't Katrina a Russian name?

Posted by: gymgal at August 15, 2008 10:11 PM

Savage drops lawsuit against CAIR after death threats
...................................

Well, this is damn disturbing. I do not always agree with Michael Savage, but he is no shrinking violet--these must have been very ugly threats, and Savage must have had reason to take them especially seriously.

As usual, Muslims deny that they scream "for the blood of Christians or Jews or anyone they hate" by screaming for the blood of someone they hate.

more:

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said the Islamic organization had "nothing whatsoever" to do with any threats and that any allegations to that effect would be "scurrilous."
......................

As Sounder mentioned, I notice that Hooper does not decry death threats made against Savage in his organization's name--he just denies that he made them himself.

Posted by: gravenimage at August 15, 2008 11:39 PM

Savage probably realized that his suit was going nowhere and used the threat as an excuse to back down. Too bad, as much as he grates me, that was one of his better moves when he filed suit against CAIRless.

Posted by: MorrisMinor at August 16, 2008 2:42 AM

Wild Jew:

"So let's go after Catholics. Let's go after Mexicans. Surely there were one or two Catholics on those 911 jets."

Stop with the BS. I have listened to Savage enough to know he often rails against the Arabs and Jihadists.

Are you sure you are not really a Mexican Catholic.

Posted by: Davod at August 16, 2008 6:55 AM

I will say this again. WHY is CAIR allowed to exist in the USA? It is WELL KNOWN that this group has terrorist ties. How in the hell can the US government be so quiet and pc? Are they scared? If so, then they need to make room for those who WILL take a stand against this religion and against CAIR.

I won't even go in to the fact that they should also be watching every single mosque in this coutry and end muslim immigration here.

I remember Bush making his famous "You're either with us or against us" comment. I guess the US government, our own government, is against us!

Who'da Thunk!

Posted by: samhein at August 16, 2008 7:58 AM

>>How in the hell can the US government be so quiet and pc? Are they scared? --samhein

They're scared of being labelled racist, bigot, and hater.

Being called those words is worse, much much worse, doncha know, than the Global Jihad.

Posted by: darcy at August 16, 2008 8:39 AM

I will say this again. WHY is CAIR allowed to exist in the USA?

perhaps the saying about keeping friends close, and enemies closer might apply here.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 16, 2008 8:51 AM

Abdullah Mikail, the lynch mob mentality is an Islmaic idea...brought to you by Profit Mohammad. Savage is just another example of it...If you don't believe me, start reading this forum more often...and check out the daily world news.

Posted by: herself at August 16, 2008 10:18 AM

CAIR will get their just desserts. They can't stop everyone.

Posted by: herself at August 16, 2008 10:30 AM

CAIR has singlehandedly silenced the first amendment.

The worst part is America doesn't even know it yet. If we did, it would be acceptable because it was in the name of "tolerance".

F*** TOLERANCE!
I served my nation in South Korea, and not once did I see a South Korean embrace anything North Korean.

Y'know why?

Because they understood who their enemies were.

Posted by: Eversor at August 16, 2008 10:32 AM

CAIR has singlehandedly silenced the first amendment.

Posted by: Eversor at August 16, 2008 10:32 AM

and not many here realize the importance of this event.

Posted by: Alert at August 16, 2008 10:51 AM

Stop with the BS. I have listened to Savage enough to know he often rails against the Arabs and Jihadists.
Posted by: Davod

I did not say he doesn't rail against the Arabs and the jihadists. I remember clearly, immediately after the 911 Muslim-terror atrocities in New York and Washington, here in our local Republican party -- I was an activist then -- the emphasis became illegals from Mexico. I thought, "What is this?" We were attacked by Muslims and immediately the anger and concern shifted to the Mexican immigrants. No one seemed to care about jihadists or wonder about Islam. It was the illegals from Mexico that captivated the imagination.

Now I will grant you, our borders need to be secured and all aliens in the United States should be documented -- perhaps deported in some cases -- but why the shift from Muslims to Mexicans who are mostly Catholic?

Why was 911 used as a springboard to attack everything Mexican by so many of my fellow conservatives? Might it have something to do with America's history of nativism and xenophobia?

Did you know, prior to and during the second world war, Americans in large numbers (according to polls) were dead set against modifying strict immigration quotas, even for German Jewish children?

One measure, submitted to the Senate in 1939 by New York Democrat Robert Wagner Sr., a Catholic, would have brought 20,000 German Jewish children to stay in American foster homes under Quaker sponsorship. The bill met with a torrent of opposition and died in committee. "Strictly speaking, it is not a refugee bill at all," one witness testified, "for by the nature of the case most of those to be admitted would be of the Jewish race." The witness, Francis H. Kinnicutt of the Allied Patriotic Societies, was speaking on behalf of the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Daughters of the American Revolution and several dozen other groups. Scores of equally distinguished witnesses gave similar testimony.

Don't men like Savage exploit this deep-seated nativism and xenophobia? Beyond that, when someone claims to be a "nationalist," I say, watch out. Savage appears to subscribe to Theodore Roosevelt's dictum in reverse: "Walk loudly and carry a little stick." What is he going to do with the torrent of money he collected from his listeners within the past couple of weeks, or so he claimed the other night? Savage (Michael Wiener) has been soliciting large amounts of money from his listeners for his lawsuit against CAIR.

He got a threatening call and he drops the suite. Will he return his listener's money? Hasn't he discredited himself to a large degree?

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 10:55 AM

From post above: Hasn't he (Savage) discredited himself to a large degree?

No...Superman sometimes rests up as Clark Kent, 'mild' mannered reporter. He took on the big bad gang of Mohammadopolis, but they exposed him to kryptonite, so now he has to recover his strength.

Also from above: What is he going to do with the torrent of money he collected from his listeners within the past couple of weeks, or so he claimed the other night?

That's a fair question, but how much is a torrent?

Posted by: duh_swami at August 16, 2008 11:14 AM

I will say this again. WHY is CAIR allowed to exist in the USA?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

Yours is a darned good question. Ask President George W. Bush. It was Bush who, only days after the 911 atrocities, opined before a joint session of Congress and the American people:

"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. (Applause.) The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. (Applause.)"

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 11:17 AM

I'm disgusted yet again (but not surprised) by the threats against Michael Savage. This seems to be the only answer that Muslim people know to anyone/anything that dares to challenge them and their "faith." Makes me want to be tolerant, I can tell you that!!! (I trust you know that I'm dripping sarcasm all over my keyboard.)

I have a basic answer to this whole affair--one that I've been advocating for at least a year now. It is simply imposing my own personal "economic sanctions" by not doing business with any Muslim-owned business. I also notice where certain products I buy in a big-box store are made, and then purposely buy substitutes for anything made in a Muslim country. (Example: Turkish-made yarn. There are several mail-order companies that get their yarn from the poor in Peru and other non-Muslim countries, and I can buy wool from them for what synthetics from Turkey cost.) If we all started refusing to buy from Muslims as much as possible, maybe they would "deport themselves." And even if they didn't, we've kept our money out of the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Posted by: RosettaStone at August 16, 2008 11:19 AM

Just a short comment on this last point Bush made:

"The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them."

On September 11, 2001, Mr. Bush said: "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them..."

That we will make no distinction between the "terrorists" who committed these atrocious acts and those who harbor them, are fine sentiments. Has Mr. Bush held fast to these fine sentiments?

Early October 2001, Bush unveiled his vision of a 23rd Muslim terror state in the Middle East. As Frontpagemagazine editor David Horowitz acknowledged recently, under Bush's watch we've seen the establishment of two new terror states / entities in the Middle East, in Gaza and Lebanon. Since 911, Mr. Bush has consistently worked with those who harbor Muslim terrorists.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 11:26 AM

If we all started refusing to buy from Muslims as much as possible, maybe they would "deport themselves." And even if they didn't, we've kept our money out of the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah.
Posted by: RosettaStone at August 16, 2008 11:19 AM

We'r all thinking like that. If we can avoid fill-up at a Muslim gas stations, and stop using Muslim gas, we can make a big difference to the war on terror.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at August 16, 2008 11:48 AM

Abdullah Mikail

Sounds like you're a slave of allah.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at August 16, 2008 12:02 PM

Wild Jew...You may have heard that, 'God loves a duck'...Now you can hear, 'Allah loves a Bush'.
A Bush has leading muslims over for dinner, gives them good jobs in sensitive areas, protects the image of Islam at all times, and generally kisses their butts, while at the same time, orchestrating the killings of not so important muslims. As a reward, they let the Bush pray in their mosque. And let him give away large chunks of others money to their brothers, the least deserving people on the planet.
Jesse Jackson was right when he said 'Stay out of the Bush's'.
We will be out of the Bush's soon, but we face a dark forest, and a bad case of poison oak.
'It's gunna take an ocean of calamine lotion', to get rid of it.
It might be worthwhile buying stock in a calamine lotion company, and maybe a few flashlights...

Posted by: duh_swami at August 16, 2008 12:29 PM

For anyone who loves freedom, the defeat of the Savage lawsuit is a cause for celebration.

Savage hookwinked us all by telling us that this lawsuit was a cause for free speech. Yeah, it was about free speech but it was CAIR's free speech that was being infringed, not Savage's. Indeed, if Savage had prevailed, first amendment rights would have lessened for all of us.

America is such a great country that we even extend free speech to questionable organisations like CAIR.

Michael Savage is an ENEMY of free speech:

http://tinyurl.com/27ladx

Posted by: Tony Kondaks at August 16, 2008 1:31 PM

America is such a great country that we even extend free speech to questionable organisations like CAIR....
Michael Savage is an ENEMY of free speech:
Posted by: Tony Kondaks at August 16, 2008 1:31 PM

I don't by this Tony. We are at war. CAIR is an enemy within. Enemies have no "free speech" in time of war much less in time of peace. Where was free speech in America during WWI? Woodrow Wilson, conceivably amongst the most "liberal" Democratic presidents in American history, greatly restricted speech. Are you familiar with Wilson's friend, George Creel and his Committee For Public Information? What about the Espionage Act and the Sedition Act? Postmaster General Albert Burleson was given power to ban "offensive material" (seditious material) from circulating through the mail. Wilson was a liberal Democrat, not an "authoritarian" Republican mind you.

Are you aware Japanese Americans were placed in internment camps by the FDR government during the second world war. FDR was another liberal Democrat.

Were FDR president today, he might have interred every American Muslim by now; CAIR officers and members would either be deported or tried for treasonous acts. Things have changed mightily in America in the past few decades.

You cannot be serious Tony.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 1:48 PM

Tony, I went to your web site.

You wrote in part: "But what about Savage’s claims that “CAIR is not a civil rights organization but instead is a political vehicle of international terrorism.” The attacks against him and others “are part of a pattern and practice to silence critics of CAIR and critics of CAIR’s foreign agenda under the false guise of civil rights,“ he says.

I have no idea whether CAIR is composed of terrorists or their sympathizers. For all I know, CAIR very well may be out to put a bomb under your mother's sofa. But until then CAIR will have the right to exercise their freedom of speech in a manner compliant with the rule of law.....

....And he’s demonstrated that he’ll abuse and misuse the court system in order to get CAIR to tow the."

I do not have an argument with the main thrust of your piece. Savage may indeed have demonstrated that he'll abuse and misuse the court system. In this you may be correct. I will leave it to legal scholars to sort it out. Perhaps you are such a legal scholar.

What is astonishing is your admission: "I have no idea whether CAIR is composed of terrorists or their sympathizers."

You have NO idea? Really Tony? You haven't a clue?

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 2:02 PM

Wild Jew wrote: "You have NO idea? Really Tony? You haven't a clue? (whethere CAIR is composed of terrorists or their sympathizers)."

No, I don't, Wild Jew.

Why? Because I am not familiar with them as an organisation and instead of ASSUMING they are what perhaps you and others declare them to be, I have no competency to make that assessment as I have only looked at their website for just a few minutes.

My concern is with free speech and the irresponsible way Michael Savage attempted to curtail said freedom.

Posted by: Tony Kondaks at August 16, 2008 2:14 PM

Savage probably realized that his suit was going nowhere and used the threat as an excuse to back down.
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I guess time will tell, if he continues his regular program. Should he be intimidated into silence about jihad terrorism, CAIR and other jihadist enemy groups at large and in the U.S. Should he avoid interviews with "controversial" guests on Islam and jihad terrorism, it seems to me, it will be more than using the threat as an excuse to back down. We shall see.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 2:14 PM

Tony, you wrote: "My concern is with free speech and the irresponsible way Michael Savage attempted to curtail said freedom."

I am not a free speech absolutist, though I will admit, I do value my freedom of speech. I am sure like Michael Savage, I have exceeded some reasonable limits from time to time. Most passionate folks do exceed reasonable limits. Thus I greatly value speech all the more.

Far be it for me to document all the well known ties CAIR has to Saudi Wahhabi jihadists, "Palestinian" Muslim Jihadists, Hamas jihadists, Hezbollah jihadists, etc. If spokesmen for an Islamic 'civil rights' group cannot bring themselves to call Hamas a terrorist group or Hezbollah a terrorist group or condemn Osama bin Laden by name when asked a direct question by a reporter, at this point in our history, I have a huge problem with this Islamic group.

I do not believe enemies living in America have any right to freedom of speech. Were I king, they would have no rights whatsoever. They should be deported. On September 11, 2001, America was brutally attacked by 19 Muslims. Had they been 19 Jewish terrorists, I can assure you every Jew living in America would be suspect and rightly so. I remember well, when Jonathan Pollard was arrested for spying. Virtually every American Jew was questioned as to his or her loyalty; for many years this was the case. That's the way it is Tony, whether it is right or wrong. (Whether or not Pollard got an excessive sentence and a raw deal is another matter.)

The same should hold true for Muslim Americans. Every Muslim should be suspect until they are proven to be a good and peaceable Muslim, which no doubt there are some or perhaps many; we are simply not certain at this point.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 2:32 PM

Wild Jew, I'm with you. While Michael Savage is provacative and makes enemies of people other than CAIR, I'm glad he is there. When you are allowed to say what he says, you know you still have freedom of speach on the airwaves. He is like the canary in the cage in a mine. If he is gone, we are in trouble. CAIR tried to put him out of business to get even with him for what he says about Islam. He fought back.

People that want to shut up talk radio hosts because they don't like what they say, should scare us all. If someone says something on the radio that offends then change to another station and go on. Tony is way out of line defending CAIR because he don't like Michael Savage.

Posted by: Spot on at August 16, 2008 2:48 PM

Spot on, I guess I've got mixed feelings about Savage. I enjoy listening to him because he's an independent conservative -- or so he labels himself -- consequently he is not a partisan; he does not carry water for the Republicans even when they are wrong, like many of the others. On the other hand, I am not a fan of Savage for many of the reasons I listed above.

Though I gave a small contribution to Savage's suite, Tony may have a point about the fruitlessness of a lawsuit in this instance. CAIR, I believe is a front group for jihadist terrorism. Had CAIR demanded an apology from Savage for insulting Islam as is their custom, that would have been one thing but for some reason they did not demand an apology. Instead they went after his advertisers apparently using a segment of his radio program "out of context." But taken out of context is taken out of context. This is common practice in the art of political warfare. If someone is able to use something I said in public, by taking it out of context, then I've got to be more careful what I say in public and how I say it. Savage may have learned this hard lesson with CAIR as I am certain Spencer has over the years.

From my perspective, CAIR members and officers should be arrested and deported; in a perfect world. Unless or until that happens people like Savage are going to have to continue to expose these people in the manner he knows best. He has the microphone. It seems to me at this point the microphone is more powerful than our courts; that is unless Savage has been intimidated into silence.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 16, 2008 3:15 PM

I believe Maichael Savage.In my opinion he is a man of his word, and if he says he was threatened, then it must have been something very real. Meanwhile, the Islamization of our society continues, as now it is becoming even more bold in its progression. In the end we will have to suspend our constitution to rid ourselves of this plague. It will not be pretty, because we will wait too long for anything less than radical measures to prevail. Good day all :-)

Posted by: ethoman at August 16, 2008 3:32 PM

"I have no idea whether CAIR is composed of terrorists or their sympathizers."
Attributed to: Tony Kondaks

Then why on earth would you post something on the Internet that you know nothing about? Learn about CAIR, and then be horrified at what you've supported. Do you have any idea of how many of their former leaders have been convicted on charges of terrorism? Are you unaware of their aiding the "Flying Imams" attempts to silence passengers reporting of suspicious activity on airplanes, directly suing the passengers? What rock have you been living under?

No. I don't believe it. You have got to be a provocateur. You can't possibly be that ignorant.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 16, 2008 3:57 PM

Dear Concerned Citizen,

My concern was with Michael Savage's war against free speech, not whether CAIR is full of terrorists. I am simply not familiar enough with them to say one way or the other. If that is something you know about, God bless you, do what you must.

But I'll defend their right to free speech and oppose those, like Savage, whose actions jeopardize the freedoms of us all.

Posted by: Tony Kondaks at August 16, 2008 7:24 PM

I'm disappointed with Savage's decision not to file an amended racketeering claim. He always talks on his radio talk show how liberals don't have backbone with insane beliefs, how the country falling is apart because it lacks the will to fight for what's right especially on the illegal immigration problem. I realize lawyer fees cost a lot, but 25,000 people donated to his cause for free speech.

Savage did had a pretty good chance of making a case for the racketeering charge against CAIR even with liberal judges on the west coast.

Posted by: twoedgesword at August 16, 2008 8:33 PM

Savage's actions jeopardize free speech??? Hardly, Savage's case was that CAIR is operating using foreign money, which has nothing to do with free speech in the USA...more over keeping illegal foreign political interests from doing what CAIR is presently.

Posted by: SoteriA at August 16, 2008 9:38 PM

Too bad. I suspect the modus operandi now of Muslims wishing to get a law suit against Muslim organizations dismissed is simply to phone in death threats.

IMO Muslims need to be recognized as a special hazard sort of people that we must learn to deal with while brave people work toward laws or a constitutional amendment to effectively ban this extremely dangerous cult. This will take considerable time but the efforts to educate enough of the public about the real Muslim threats to our freedoms can eventually succeed in the USA as long has we don't have "hate speech" laws that our Muslim enemies would surely use as weapons.

No doubt hate speech laws are high on our enemies-of-freedom list of priorities should Obama get elected.

Posted by: FM at August 16, 2008 9:41 PM

While I don't doubt the possibility of death threats, the Stench From The Bench was probably the most serious consideration. The Judge invited Savage's team to submit a revised filing. Now, where have we seen this before? How about in the Peanuts comic strip where Lucy (for about the twentieth time) invites Charlie Brown to punt the ball which she snatches out of the way just before poor Charlie kicks the air and lands on his back again. Mike is smart enough to not fall for a sucker play.

Posted by: JeromeFromLayton at August 16, 2008 9:49 PM

Posted by: Wild Jew >>>

Posted by: RED at August 16, 2008 10:17 PM

Posted by: Wild Jew

I enjoy listening to Savage. I gave money to Savage for this lawsuit, but let's face it Michael Savage has his vulnerabilities and weaknesses.

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Judging by your subsequent attacks on Savage, I doubt you're being truthful about donating any funds. Why would you give money to someone you think so little of? You, sir, are a provacateur and quite possibly a liar. Even your username, wild jew, is offensive ... and I'm not even a Jew. Something more fitting like wild donkey might be more appropriate for you. I hope my post has been helpful.

Posted by: RED at August 16, 2008 10:30 PM

"Where is his faith in the Almighty?"

That is my question as well.

Posted by: lafn at August 17, 2008 2:11 AM

RED wrote: "You, sir, are a provacateur and quite possibly a liar. Even your username, wild jew, is offensive ... and I'm not even a Jew. Something more fitting like wild donkey might be more appropriate for you. I hope my post has been helpful.
Posted by: RED at August 16, 2008 10:30 PM

Who are you RED, that I should even answer you? What is your background? What is your faith? What or Who are you committed to?

You ask, why would I give money to him? Because he is a Jew and he "was" fighting the enemy. It wasn't much but it was something.

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Posted by: Wild Jew at August 17, 2008 9:13 AM

your username, wild jew, is offensive ... and I'm not even a Jew.
Posted by: RED at August 16, 2008 10:30 PM

Maybe because you are a Jew-hater.

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 17, 2008 9:25 AM

Perhaps someone with a legal background can answer this question for me:

In addition to the the free speech issue, Savage's lawsuit accuses CAIR of racketeering and improper use of their tax status.

Even if true, why is this Savage's concern? Last time I looked, Savage is not employed at either the FBI or the IRS. If CAIR is improperly behaving in those two areas, isn't it the responsibility of those two government agencies to bring CAIR to justice and not a civil lawsuit brought by a radio talk show host?

Posted by: Tony Kondaks at August 17, 2008 10:56 AM

How depressing that this lawsuit was dropped. I hope that CAIR get what's coming to them in due time. Hopefully it will be by a mob gone mad with that kind of mentality and anger. The government appears to have sold the American people out.

Posted by: Truth at August 17, 2008 11:06 AM

Last time I looked, Savage is not employed at either the FBI or the IRS. If CAIR is improperly behaving in those two areas, isn't it the responsibility of those two government agencies to bring CAIR to justice and not a civil lawsuit brought by a radio talk show host?

Posted by: Tony Kondaks

Tony, take a look at this. Hasn't President Bush set the politically correct example?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={E6B526B7-1FF9-4AF1-B4F0-449B08F9829D}

"....Hopefully, the FBI will also be reassessing its relationship to the terror-linked group as well. FBI officials have attended fundraising events for CAIR (“FBI Funded CAIR?”), and former FBI chief Robert Mueller was criticized for accepting a “humanitarian award” from the organization (“CAIR: How Close to Terrorism?”), which prompted him to return the award. And as Joe Kaufman reported back in 2003 (“CAIR vs. the FBI”), federal law enforcement’s alliances with CAIR has come back to bite them as CAIR’s agenda was found to be with the FBI’s. But even as recent as last month, CAIR officials were still offering “diversity and sensitivity training on Islam and Muslims” in the New Haven, CT office of the FBI. Perhaps federal prosecutors should be communicating more clearly to their FBI colleagues?

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 17, 2008 11:17 AM

It is interesting though Michael kept talking about his crucifixion on Friday. Do we need Michael Savage crucified for us to see the internal threat to our nation ... are we really that stupid, and if we are do we deserve his sacrifice?

Posted by: ethoman at August 17, 2008 12:41 PM

You, sir, are a provacateur and quite possibly a liar. Even your username, wild jew, is offensive ... and I'm not even a Jew. Something more fitting like wild donkey might be more appropriate for you. I hope my post been helpful.

Posted by: RED at August 16, 2008 10:17 PM

RED, will you have the decency to respond?

Posted by: Wild Jew at August 17, 2008 5:44 PM