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Now don't go getting all excited. Doesn't your local church have a torture chamber? What's that? It doesn't? Well, okay, but there must be at least a room in the basement where they rough up heretics? No? But...but...well, at very least Father McGillicuddy has a pair of thumbscrews -- doesn't he? He doesn't? Well, then, uh, remember the Inquisition! And the Crusades!
"Chain wrapped around 'old man's body' found in mosque," by Arwa Damon for CNN, August 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- "There are the bloodstains on the wall, and here it is dried on the floor," says Abu Muhanad as he walks through a torture chamber in a Baghdad mosque where more than two dozen bodies have been found."And here, a woman's shoes. She was a victim of the militia. We found her corpse in the grave."
Chunks of hair waft lazily across the floor in the hot Baghdad breeze.
"This was the torture room," says Muhanad, the leader of a U.S.-backed armed group that now controls the mosque.
"This is what they used for hanging," he says, pointing to a cord dangling from the ceiling. "Here is a chain we found tied to an old man's body."
The horrific scene at this southwestern Baghdad mosque is what officials say was the work of a Shia militia known as the Mehdi Army. Residents who live near the mosque say they could hear the victims' screams.
The militia had been in control of the mosque, called Adib al-Jumaili, for at least a year and a half....
Posted by Robert at August 19, 2008 3:14 PM
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Churches I went to had water torture tanks right up front. Every few weeks, the pastor would dunk somebody under the water until they said they believed in Jesus.
Yea, something like that.
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at August 19, 2008 3:27 PM
Maybe they use the torture chamber to "encourage" suicide bombers.
Posted by: Spot on at August 19, 2008 3:36 PM
A Master-List of Mosques Behaving Badly should be compiled. It should include, from U.S. military records, all the shoot-outs in Iraq (and Afghanistan) with people who fired on American soldiers from mosques, or ran to mosques in order to avoid capture, and used them as places from which to attack Americans (until the Americans stopped, as they eventually did, from holding back).
It should also include all of the mosques in Western Europe found to contain false papers (sometimes in false ceilings, as in the mosque in Milan on Viale Jenner), including forged passports, and AK-47s, explosives, and videocassettes of beheadings of Infidels, and audiocassettes to whip up the Believers to evern greater deeds of derring-do against the Infidels, yes all that stuff, that weaponry, those forgeries and counterfeits, those hysterical whippings-up of hatred for Infidels -- see what Saudi-supplied "literature" has been found in American mosques -- and that by now the security services of the Western world are so used to that they practically yawn at what they find, but that the rest of us have to piece together, from a story here and a story there.
Meanwhile in churches, last I looked, I could find hymnals, the Book of Common Prayer, candles lit in memory of the recently departed, information on volunteering for the food bank and soup kitchen, and disaster relief at home and all over the world, including such relief, notably, in Muslim countries.
Compare. Contrast.
Think.
Posted by: Hugh at August 19, 2008 3:39 PM
A Master-List of Mosques Behaving Badly should be compiled. It should include, from U.S. military records, all the shoot-outs in Iraq (and Afghanistan) with people who fired on American soldiers from mosques, or ran to mosques in order to avoid capture, and used them as places from which to attack Americans (until the Americans stopped, as they eventually did, from holding back).
It should also include all of the mosques in Western Europe found to contain false papers (sometimes in false ceilings, as in the mosque in Milan on Viale Jenner), including forged passports, and AK-47s, explosives, and videocassettes of beheadings of Infidels, and audiocassettes to whip up the Believers to evern greater deeds of derring-do against the Infidels, yes all that stuff, that weaponry, those forgeries and counterfeits, those hysterical whippings-up of hatred for Infidels -- see what Saudi-supplied "literature" has been found in American mosques -- and that by now the security services of the Western world are so used to that they practically yawn at what they find, but that the rest of us have to piece together, from a story here and a story there.
Meanwhile in churches, last I looked, I could find hymnals, the Book of Common Prayer, candles lit in memory of the recently departed, information on volunteering for the food bank and soup kitchen, and disaster relief at home and all over the world, including such relief, notably, in Muslim countries.
Compare. Contrast.
Think.
Posted by: Hugh at August 19, 2008 3:40 PM
You know, they just love killing, doesn't matter who they kill they enjoy it.
And as far as the torture goes, where is the "human rights" lobby now?? Oh right, they're still screaming about the new holding facility in Denver and waterboarding at Gitmo. Here's REAL torture people, take note.
Posted by: gymgal at August 19, 2008 3:43 PM
They recruit in mosques train in mosques.
They shoot out of mosques.
MOHAMMADS SATANIC RELIGION TECHES TO KILL WHY DO WE TREAT MOSQUES AS PLACES OF WORSHIP AND NOT ENEMY FORTIFIED POSITIONS BACK IN I THINK 92 ON ATLANYIC AVE IN BROOKLYN I REMEMMBER MUSLLIMS FIGHTING TO NOT ALLOW POLICE IN TO HIDE WEAPONS THEY HAD STORED THERE THIS IS NOT NEW.
at August 19, 2008 3:46 PM
I just assumed that torture chambers are part of the Muslim order of worship. Am I wrong?
Posted by: Kuffar at August 19, 2008 3:58 PM
This should be on every news channel 24/7. But alas all they want to talk about is obama.
Posted by: AMartinez at August 19, 2008 4:00 PM
"Father McGillicuddy has a pair of thumbscrews"
When I was a child a nun had a paddle but it was for Catholic children who misbehaved not for Protestants for worse.
Jerry
Posted by: Jerry M at August 19, 2008 4:01 PM
"Residents who live near the mosque say they could hear the victims' screams."
But all anyone could get riled up about was the presence of "infidel" soldiers on Muslim land.
Abu Ghraib was a mortal sin, an eternal shame that Muslims would never live down. What went on in this mosque? How many of the residents who heard the screams ever gave a hoot about those who died?
Posted by: PMK at August 19, 2008 4:12 PM
Name any other religion in the world, even some of the wackier cults, where people are tortured in the basement of the house of worship and it would be the topic of conversation around the water cooler for the next week.
Islam?
Silence. I'd really like to know why that is.
at August 19, 2008 4:18 PM
Maybe someone has an answer to this: Is there an international legal definition of "church" or "place of worship" under which these mosques would not fit? If their "places of worship" were internationally deemed "torture chambers" or "military/terrorists headquarters" that they really are instead, wouldn't it go a ways towards slowing this cancerous cult?
Posted by: charlie at August 19, 2008 4:19 PM
On a lighter note - the wackiest wildest thing my church ever did was have a cakewalk on Wed. nights! Watch out!
Posted by: charlie at August 19, 2008 4:24 PM
One wonders what effect this story will have inside Iraq on the popularity of Al Sadr and the Mahdi Army?...
...(the question was rhetorical).
Posted by: Cornelius at August 19, 2008 4:28 PM
Ah yes, in the old days we tortured the peasants for amusement, but failed to take it to religious heights, as torture to appease an evil god. The Moslems have one up on us there, since their torturing is mosque sanctified. Their mosques are not only command modules for jihad, armories, fortified shooting galleries, but now torture chambers? Ah yes, Allah’s Cult’s NOT a religion. Like the old Kali Cult, it must be dead ended.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at August 19, 2008 4:29 PM
Ah yes, in the old days we tortured the peasants for amusement, but failed to take it to religious heights, as torture to appease an evil god. The Moslems have one up on us there, since their torturing is mosque sanctified. Their mosques are not only command modules for jihad, armories, fortified shooting galleries, but now torture chambers? Ah yes, Allah’s Cult’s NOT a religion. Like the old Kali Cult, it must be dead ended.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at August 19, 2008 4:31 PM
Ec only one i can name thats satanic cults like one in new mexico where they torureed and killed many illegal immigrants a husband and wife team on a satanic alter forget the names/.
Posted by: spcbat at August 19, 2008 4:31 PM
Well, then, uh, remember the Inquisition! And the Crusades!
Sorry, they were a bit before my time.
You forgot the witch trials, and the ducking stool.
Posted by: ebonystone at August 19, 2008 4:40 PM
A torture chamber in a mosque? No! You are kidding, right?! Well, this doesn't surprise me at all, since Islam not only tortures the mind and soul, so why not the body too. More proof of how evil Islam truly is.
Posted by: champ at August 19, 2008 4:46 PM
Meanwhile in churches, last I looked, I could find hymnals, the Book of Common Prayer, candles lit in memory of the recently departed, information on volunteering for the food bank and soup kitchen, and disaster relief at home and all over the world, including such relief, notably, in Muslim countries.
Compare. Contrast.
Think.
Posted by: Hugh at August 19, 2008 3:39 PM
Exactly. Yes, "Think." A great, and true, comment, Hugh.
at August 19, 2008 5:01 PM
And then there was the time I went to a Catholic church and the guy up front in the robe made me kneel in front of him and offered me a teentsy-weentsy cookie. I think he called it a "toast" but it didn't seem big or thick enough to be that kind of bread.
Anyway, he also had some water he tried to get me to drink, but I'd seen in movies where that church water actually was acid, at least when it was thrown on vampires and werewolves. And it makes your skin fall off and you scream real loud and eventually you die.
So, I passed on the toast and water. Lucky me.
Posted by: undaunted at August 19, 2008 5:09 PM
Name any other religion in the world, even some of the wackier cults, where people are tortured in the basement of the house of worship and it would be the topic of conversation around the water cooler for the next week.
Islam?
Silence. I'd really like to know why that is.
Posted by: ec marm at August 19, 2008 4:18 PM
We can't offend those who are inferior. It's called "political correctness."
Posted by: darcy at August 19, 2008 5:28 PM
This one sentence in the article caught my attention:
A single car drives down the main street as a pack of dogs runs through the twisted piles of metal that was once an outdoor market.
DOGS????? Were did they come from???
Posted by: Ladywolfnl at August 19, 2008 5:28 PM
A torture chamber in a mosque removes airtime costs to asktheimam.allah
Any questions about procedure are approved on the spot by the imam who uses the Koranstitution as guidance in the straight path to slaughtering the enemies of islam. Allah will approve, no doubt.
Posted by: Dsinc at August 19, 2008 5:36 PM
"How many of the residents who heard the screams ever gave a hoot about those who died?
Posted by: PMK :
apparently none of them..
Posted by: pulsar182 at August 19, 2008 5:40 PM
One time I read about some old Jewish pastors from Zion, and the story went that they kidnapped little Arab kids and drained their blood and used it to make donuts and pop-tarts and those little dough things you wrap weenies in... you know, with cheese jammed in there to make it gooey.
But that was after I grew up and learned there was a gray thing in my head called a brain and I could, any time I chose, use it to sort through things I heard and what people told me about this or that.
So, using that brain thing I easily figured out that the pastry story was just a load of paranoid bullshit.
Posted by: undaunted at August 19, 2008 5:41 PM
Mr Fitzgerald proposed the compilation of a list of Mosques Behaving Badly.
A preliminary list could probably be compiled just by a gentle stroll through the jihadwatch archives.
Copies of such a list, fully referenced, could then be submitted to the relevant authorities - such as town and shire and county councils - in the kafir lands, whenever and wherever the local advance party of Muslims were proposing to build a mosque. Or, for that matter, an Islamic School.
Further thought: I think I now understand something. Muslims forbid kafir to build new places of worship, or to extend or repair old ones. I think it is because they think the kafir use kafir places of worship the way that Muslims use mosques! (i.e. as war rooms, recruitment centres, arms dumps, sniper nest, etc.). 'Projection'.
*We're" 'projecting' - with massive error - when we assume a mosque is 'like a church' (i.e. primarily a place of peaceful spiritual contemplation and exhortation to charity and devotion). But MUSLIMS are 'projecting', too, when they assume a church, synagogue or temple is 'like a mosque' (i.e. primarily a war room/ arsenal/ centre for making plots against The Enemy Other).
Similarly: I suspect Muslims don't like kafir having any position of authority over Muslims because Muslims are assuming that such kafir would do to Muslims what Muslims would do if the positions were reversed...
Muslims don't let kafir, in Muslim lands, enter into the structures of power (commercial, military, civil service, government) in any meaningful way, because they take it for granted that kafir would do what Muslims would do, under those circumstances (i.e. defraud/ manipulate/ abuse/sabotage/ infiltrate/ take over).
Muslims plot world conquest and mass murder against us, because they are convinced that *we* are plotting the same against them; they are getting in the 'pre-emptive strike', precisely as in Qur'an 4:34 a man is permitted to 'admonish', then separate himself from, then beat, a wife from whom he merely FEARS 'rebellion' (she doesn't have to have actually *done* anything).
Whatever they say they fear from us is probably what they are doing or mean to do.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 19, 2008 5:47 PM
"Similarly: I suspect Muslims don't like kafir having any position of authority over Muslims because Muslims are assuming that such kafir would do to Muslims what Muslims would do if the positions were reversed..." --DDA
Actually, DDA, I think it's because Mo told his brainwashed minions that they were the "superior peoples," and to "Kill the Unbelievers," and that he, Mo, was the Last Prophet. And that the Koran supersedes both the Torah and the Bible, and that these were "corrupted." And that Jesus is not the Son of God, but merely a slave to Allah. And that Slave Jesus will be assisting Allah one day in destroying both Judaism and Christianity, upon which destruction the whole world will worship Allah alone.
Those Islamic beliefs above are why Mohammedans hate the Kuffar and why they believe no Kuffar should have authority over them. As Mo mass-murdered Jews and Christians (Kuffar) so should they.
That's what I think - their hate lies in their Belief System.
at August 19, 2008 6:01 PM
DOGS????? Were did they come from???
I think there are lots of feral dogs running around in the Middle East (probably throughout the Muslim world), probably due to the facts that their societies lack the kinds of control we have due to ongoing violence, chaos, corruption etc, plus they don't have the culture of having dogs as pets like we do, so most end up being "homeless". I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of violence against feral dogs in the Muslim world, people shooting at them, burning them, beheading them, kids torturing them etc. If this is true, I doubt that the liberals at PETA know, or care about it.
Posted by: DenverRodeo at August 19, 2008 6:06 PM
Sam Solomon has a wonderful booklet named "The Mosque Exposed". It explains in some 80 brief pages. what a mosque really is designed to do. Weapons and torture chambers should not surprise anyone.
I encourage getting a few copies and distributing it to relevant people. That should put a brake on mosque projects.
Posted by: Henrik at August 19, 2008 6:08 PM
Once more the peace and love of Islam is revealed to the world...
Posted by: jewcat at August 19, 2008 6:53 PM
Mosques behaving 'badly'?
Mosques behaving according to the example set by Muhammad would be taking all kind of political decicision, passing judgement and initiating Jihad 'activities'.
Now, 'Good' and 'Bad' depends on your point of view:
Mosques acting Good in Islamic perspective will be acting Bad from a Western one.
Posted by: Henrik at August 19, 2008 6:56 PM
Hugh says,
Compare. Contrast.
Think.
Amen brother!
If a freak like Muhammad tried to stir up a cult in this day and age?
Posted by: Aiken Bryce at August 19, 2008 7:40 PM
I have some church meetings which felt like torture, but no, I've never heard of anything like this existing in the modern Church.
Posted by: James Martel at August 19, 2008 7:54 PM
I don't want to talk, but this one pastor's sermons were murder......
You know, finding a torture chamber in a mosque sort of keeps with the tone of the Qur'an.............remember all those descriptions of hell?
Posted by: tanstaafl at August 19, 2008 8:40 PM
It's no surprise that in Islam a "holy" place of worship contains a torture chamber when the accompanying "holy" book contains open-ended commands to terrorize, torture, and kill.
While the West will surely condemn the presence of "holy" torture chambers, why doesn't the West also condemn the presence of the "holy" torture handbooks (Qur'an)?
Posted by: Xero G at August 19, 2008 8:56 PM
Last Christmas, I was forced to sing, pray, and hold a candle. I shudder when I think about it.
Posted by: Abscedere at August 19, 2008 10:48 PM
Our synagogue has the press in the basement where we squeeze blood out of Muslim babies to make our matzoh and hamentashen. Then we recite the protocols and plot revolutions and financial takeovers.
Posted by: MorrisMinor at August 19, 2008 10:52 PM
This is seriously creepy. I haven't heard any screams from the mosque across the street (yet), but the place is a beehive. There's always something going on, from Friday to Sunday, then late meetings a couple of nights throughout the week.
If I do hear any screaming, I won't hesitate to call the Sheriff's Office. They know me there. This is such a weird neighborhood, I think I call the Sheriff at least twice a year.
Sometimes I wish I were a man, and could infiltrate that mosque. I probably couldn't speak their language, though.
Women aren't frequently seen--only once in a while. No burqa's so far, but they are hijabi.
Posted by: Abscedere at August 19, 2008 10:59 PM
In our own country, we have the right to decide what is a religion and what is not. We also have the right to codify that decision in law.
With respect to islam - islam is a racket founded by a brigand. islam Is certainly not a religion.
Let's draw up the appropriate legislation and begin the deportations.
Posted by: HotSpur at August 19, 2008 11:01 PM
"Let's draw up the appropriate legislation and begin the deportations." posted by Hotspur
I agree 100%. If we don't do it very soon and by our own law books, it might be too late. We need to do it before our right to "codify decisions in law" is taken from us by these growing numbers of cultists pretending to be a religion.
Posted by: charlie at August 19, 2008 11:41 PM
"Let's draw up the appropriate legislation and begin the deportations." posted by Hotspur
I agree 100%. If we don't do it very soon and by our own law books, it might be too late. We need to do it before our right to "codify decisions in law" is taken from us by these growing numbers of cultists pretending to be a religion.
Posted by: charlie at August 19, 2008 11:42 PM
My husband and I used to own a fire/flood restoration company in Encino, California, and two of our employee's were Muslim and they attended mosque each week; so one day my husband asked them what sorts of things were said in the mosques, and their answer really disturbed my husband, which was, "Oh, you don't want to know." And when my husband pressed them again for a clearer answer they just became more adament, "No, you don't want to know!"
There was no mention of a torture chamber, but now I'm beginning to wonder what we didn't "want to know."
Jeez, if someone asked me what we did in church on Sunday, then I would tell them, I wouldn't give them some mysterious and frightening answer like they gave. How weird is that?
Posted by: champ at August 19, 2008 11:58 PM
Hey Champ,
Why would that appear weird to you? We all know that cockroaches can't stand the light of day (well, any light for that matter), so what makes the zombies any different?
Absolutely nothing. They are nothing but cockroaches somewhat advanced on the evolutionary scale...a few thousand years?...but their behaviors are by-the-book examples of how 'cults' must protect themselves from inspection. I give you the Rev James Jones, for example.
Only that the zombies have perfected this over 1400 years. So why whould shock any of us?
We also know that over the past 5-10 the zombies have gotten especially protective and defensive over their cult leader and their cult manual. So, what are they hiding?
(That was a rhetorical question, since we all know the answer.) What am I, and what and YOU and everyone else here going to do to spread the truth? That's the $64m question.
Reader Charles Martel (knightemplar2@hotmail.com) has a superb "beginners" power point presentation about Mo that can be passed around. Simple and easy to follow.
Oh, and quite incriminating.
Anyway, as for torture chambers in mosques - one word: Bulldoze!
at August 20, 2008 12:18 AM
Champ wrote: "... if someone asked me what we did in church on Sunday, then I would tell them. I wouldn't give them some mysterious and frightening answer like they gave."
I guess they were afraid they might lose their jobs (or their green cards) if they said "Oh we "initiated" a few 9 year olds, talked about the most efficient way to kill you infidels, "disciplined" a couple of "wayward" daughters and wives, and decided to pretend to be peaceful until we had a better foothold."
They were behaving exactly as a cult would, weren't they? The Manson Family members didn't tell anyone except inner-circle family members what they did on their "creep-crawly" missions until they were forced to in court!
Posted by: charlie at August 20, 2008 1:23 AM
Hmmm--I wonder if Obama is a Mosque torture chamber graduate?
Maybe a Mosquechurian Candidate!
Posted by: guide inside at August 20, 2008 2:26 AM
MSM, hello. Cat got your tongue?
Posted by: Spot on at August 20, 2008 7:44 AM
"I guess they were afraid they might lose their jobs (or their green cards) if they said "Oh we "initiated" a few 9 year olds, talked about the most efficient way to kill you infidels, "disciplined" a couple of "wayward" daughters and wives, and decided to pretend to be peaceful until we had a better foothold."
Posted by: charlie
LOL, Charlie! Yeah, they were probably afraid of losing their jobs, and those scenarios you gave are sad, but unfortunately true; and the Manson cult is a good example, as Islam is a cult on a large, massive scale.
Posted by: champ at August 20, 2008 1:01 PM
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