I have sought treatment from numerous doctors from foreign countries--an Indian doctor, several Hispanic doctors, and others--but I reached a point several years ago where I will not avail myself of the services of any doctor with a name that even remotely sounds like it could possibly be Arabic / Muslim.

I think this is sad because I'm sure there are fine non-Muslim physicians out there with Muslim-sounding names (and perhaps Muslim physicians with non-Muslim-sounding names--even scarier).

Perhaps if things get bad enough, the "cultural Muslims" will get tired of the infidel-hater jihadis and do something useful. Somehow I doubt it.

Yesterday I came across a website with interesting descriptions of the various "types" of Muslims one might encounter: well-informed fundamentalist, savvy fundamentalist, self-deceived moderate, ignorant moderate, etc.
I found it an interesting read. (I'm not making any endorsement of the site overall). Here is the URL: http://www.truthformuslims.com/articles/marion_2005_07_types_muslims.htm

Posted by: cumulusnine at August 20, 2008 10:26 AM

It comes down to the quality of the medical school/teaching hospital through which these men pass. No one who believes in what this man does can be true to the Hippocratic Oath.
The only people he can treat would be fellow Muslims.
This man was "once promising". The arrest might not have been enough to get him canned but then the website came to light. He posted this stuff himself, so he can't say he was framed. There are probably many actions besides malpractice that can cause a doctor to lose his license to practice medicine. The arrest and subsequent revelations might have been sufficient to warrant expulsion from medical school.

Posted by: PMK at August 20, 2008 10:27 AM

Knowing intimately how Medical Schools work, I would be very surprised if not astounded if he were only put on a probation of sorts, even being aware of how delicately [certain] minorities are treated. There is complete review for those who have been convicted of a crime. Since he has plead guilty, he is hopefully caught in that question or a red flag comes up.

As for the previous poster, what are you reasons for not going to a physician with that type of name? I'm just wondering and I don't want to presume what you would say. I'm curious.

Posted by: Palamas at August 20, 2008 10:32 AM

As usual, Hugh puts into words what many fear to say. As more Muslims settle in Infidel lands, this issue Hugh raises is very relevant. Already in the soon to be sharia country of England, The Muslim Doctors association mentions the spread of Islam as one of it's primary duties, and given Islam's supremacist creed, it wouldn't surprise if some of these doctors reserve their best efforts to treat Muslims. It won't surprise me either to see some doctors actually try to make some Infidel's health worst or ignore a condition as part of a personal Jihad.

Already Muslim doctors have been shown to be Jihadists. There's this example Hugh mentions, and the doctors who tried to blow up Glasgow's airport in Scotland. Just part of what we in the West will be facing as the number of Muslims in our midst grows.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at August 20, 2008 10:47 AM

Hussein Zorkot's is an instructive case. He is a "Lebanese American." He apparently had a fairly good existence in the United States, so good, in fact, that he was admitted to medical school, and apparently could afford to go. He had made it into his third year when he decided to express his pent-up feelings about Infidels by showing up at a park with a car containing two knives, an Ak-47 (doesn't everyone have those in their picnic baskets? Yes, if everyone is the title character in Flannery O'Connor's story "The Misfit" or the title character in Evelyn Waugh's "Mr. Loveday's Little Outing"), and all sorts of other disturbing material in his backseat, he himself gotten up in man-in-black style (with his face also painted black) , in other words he, Hussein Zorkot, was dressed to kill, and judging by all this evidence, had not the police intervened, he might well have let himself go, have been responsible for a little mayhem, possibly a little murder, directed at Infidels.

Here's how a local paper described the case of Hussein Zorkot:

"The controversial case gained national attention in late 2007 when Zorkot, then 26 years old, was observed carrying a loaded AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifle near the west side of the park, which is located north of Ford Road near Schaefer.

Following his arrest, Zorkot's status as a Lebanese American and his open support of Hezbollah, which has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United States, led some to classify the Dearborn resident as a terrorist.

Zorkot was arraigned on charges on Sept. 11, 2007, in Dearborn's 19th District Court — the same day city officials issued a press release about the incident.

Dearborn Mayor Jack O'Reilly has defended the city's decision to delay releasing the information three days, and told the Press & Guide the information was withheld until after Zorkot's arraignment to avoid stirring up fears of another terrorist attack.

While Zorkot openly supports Hezbollah on his Web site — www.zorkot.org — he has not been identified as a terrorist or linked to any terrorist group, according to law enforcement officials.

The Dearborn resident pled guilty last month to the charges of possessing a weapon in a vehicle, possessing a weapon with unlawful intent and felony firearm.

According to Dearborn police, Zorkot was dressed in dark clothing and had his face painted black when officers located him on Sept. 8, 2007, inside his 2007 Ford Escape, which was parked on the park's west side. The engine was still running.

Officers approached the vehicle, which proceeded to pull out of the parking space and head northbound toward the park's entrance. Dearborn police were able to block the vehicle in before it was able to leave the park.

When approached by officers, Zorkot opened the driver's side door, but remained inside the vehicle. He then asked officers why they had stopped him, and said, "You guys are always harassing me."

During the confrontation, officers observed Zorkot lower his right hand toward the center console, which was out of view. According to police reports, officers feared Zorkot may have been reaching for a weapon and grabbed his left wrist while ordering him to exit the vehicle.

An officer at the scene observed the AK-47 in the vehicle's backseat, and alerted her fellow officers that the Dearborn resident was armed. Zorkot was then forcibly removed from the vehicle through the driver's side door — although he initially refused to let go of the door.

When he refused to release the door, officers struck Zorkot's arm once with a plastic flashlight, however, the Dearborn resident refused to let go.

A Taser was then deployed, which struck Zorkot between his shoulder blades. The electrical jolt caused Zorkot to fall to the ground, where he began rolling back-and-forth.

When Zorkot refused to comply with the officers' commands, he was stunned again and taken into custody.

Evidence technicians then searched Zorkot's vehicle and found two pairs of cloth gloves, a military combat belt with a canteen and two knives, boots with socks, a receipt for the AK-47 rifle and ammo, a gunlock and keys, a list of Metro Detroit shooting ranges, numerous photographs of Zorkot standing in front of billboard depicting "various Muslim extremists," a briefcase containing a laptop and a cell phone.

Two cameras, a portable AM/FM radio, a pair of binoculars, four computer CDs, an Army surplus bag, a camouflage face paint kit, a Lebanon flag, a VCR cassette of "The Never Ending Story," and eight prepaid international phone cards were also found inside the vehicle.

Based on the statements he made at time of his arrest, and the materials found inside his vehicle, a search warrant was issued for Zorkot's home. Police have not disclosed the results of that search."

For this he was given two years of probation, risible punishment only if you are the laughter-through-tears type.

But there is something else about the Hussein Zorkot case that is not only instructive but positively piquant.

For this same would-be bringer of mayhem and murder (had he not been intercepted in time)-- just look at what he had in his car and how he was dressed -- might simply have been one more in series of those who have supplied such episodes of one-man my-own-personal Jihad (bizarre and inexplicable only to those who have not been paying attention to Islam) this Hussein Zorkot , happened to have been quoted, a year or two before, in an article that appeared in the Wayne State Medical School Alumni Magazine.

And here is what Hossein Zorkot said then, in the language we have all grown accustomed to, even been taught to celebrate, on our cretinized campuses:

'Celebrating one of the most diverse student bodies in the country, the Wayne State University School of Medicine held its annual Ethnic Week in October. "Although Ethnic Week was only over a span of several days, the unity which we all displayed holds lifelong implications,”said Houssein Zorkot, second-year medical student and president of the Board of Student Organizations. “Becoming aware of cultural and ethnic issues is essential to a career in medicine. Thankfully, the WSU School of Medicine has a very diverse student body. The more diverse the body, the richer the experience. We had fun, too — it was great."'

http://www.med.wayne.edu/news_media/scribe/PDF/2006/06WinterScribe.pdf

Print that little paragraph out and send it to friends as part of your personal Celebrating Diversity and Jihad Day, your very own observance of Ethnic Week and Dhimmihood, or any other idiotic yoking to your liking.

"Piquant" I described this contrast above. And, exactly as promised -- piquant.

Posted by: Hugh at August 20, 2008 10:52 AM

Palamas
I am another poster who will refuse a relationship with a physician whose name suggests that he/she has an islamic background. My reasons are legion but most have to do with my prejudice against islam and anyone raised in that culture and who might still have an attachment to it. I am down for banning islamic immigration so allowing them to practice medicine on infidels would be big no.
Before you get too shocked at my insensitivity consider how many medically trained muslims are involved in Jihad. Would you visit a restaurant that you know is unclean and the staff and owners rude? Certainly not...that is called prejudice.

Posted by: pismopal at August 20, 2008 10:54 AM

I am a Jew and would no sooner have a doctor named 'Mohammad' than one named Adolph Hitler. The last one I had is the clincher. I've had a kidney transplant for over 22 years, have done spectacularly well according to every doctor I've ever met. I got shunted to a Dr. Muhammad ___ when the regular dr. wasn't in. I pleasantly commented that my blood test was the best in years and how thankful I was to be doing so well. This cold aloof Muslim started CONTRADICTING me and telling me all sorts of horror stories, how numbers can lie, and had me shaking. It was purest sadism. I checked some of his 'facts' and found them exaggerated and untrue. Why would he do this? Because my name is obviously Jewish? Of course not, I'm just being paranoid.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 20, 2008 11:12 AM

I live in a rural area of Alabama, and recently one muslim doctor was arrested for over perscribing oxycodone, loretab and other potent medicines. Of course this was after the deaths of 3 people.

Posted by: AMartinez at August 20, 2008 11:31 AM

from Hugh's report of the arrest, it's ridiculous to treat this man as a citizen. He is an enemy combatant who it is reasonable to assume was planning to kill us.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at August 20, 2008 11:32 AM

As I said, I just wanted to hear the answer straight from the horse's mouth. I am a frequent reader here and intermittent poster. Should I be shocked? No.

I see where you are coming from about immigration ... but you have to know that practically this is almost an impossibility. As much convincing as one might try to do about how political Islam is and how it is not a "religion" as westerners understand it, people are not going to go for it on constitutional grounds. One would have to relate it to how the US gov't (I assume you are American, if not, correct me) thought it justifiable to monitor or quash the KKK or communists groups. I've found that putting a questionaire that is comprehensive (we do ask about communism) on immigration seems to be the only thing that we could even have precedent for doing.

The fact that Islam is terribly fascinating, devious and perhaps the perfect system, especially in the current world political atmosphere, for human domination is always going to be hard to combat. But therein lies its own dilemma --- its own fruits --- which many more are seeing and fortunately they are unable to hide.

It is odd that "Being ahead of your time and being wrong are indistinguishable." It saddens me that this may be true and that the only people wise up is if others perish.

Posted by: Palamas at August 20, 2008 11:39 AM

"As for the previous poster, what are you reasons for not going to a physician with that type of name? I'm just wondering and I don't want to presume what you would say. I'm curious."

Perhaps because of my instinct for self-preservation?

Muslim doctors are increasingly being involved in jihad. The recent attempted bombings in London were doctors, for instance. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287634,00.html

Then there is the Applebaum case in Chicago:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835433/posts

We hear about Muslim medical students in the UK who refuse to follow various sanitary procedures because it conflicts with their interpretation of modesty mandates in Islam.http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019792.php

We hear of Muslim UK doctors allegedly planning terror attacks in the US:
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/017277.php

And US Muslim doctors have been convicted:
"Jihadist doctors have also been arrested and convicted in the United States. One of them Rafiq Abdus Sabir an emergency room doctor and convert to Islam living in Boca Raton Florida was sentenced to 30 years in prison for swearing an oath of allegiance to Al Qaeda and scouting locations in Long Island to set up a jihad camp. Oncologist Rafil Dhafir who was jailed in 2004 on terrorism charges [and health insurance fraud). Dhafir fundraised for his Iraq "charity" at the Islamic Center of Boca Raton where Sabir was a congregant. Another doctor who visiting the Islamic Center of Boca Raton was Kassan Baiev whose claim to fame is saving the life of Chechen leader Shamil Basayev who masterminding the Beslan massacre. Baiev wrote a book about his experiences as a doctor in Chechnya called "The Oath- A Physician Under Fire" and became a minor celebrity. Left wing and anti Israel campaigner Vanessa Redgrave helped him raise money for a "children's charity"." http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3029

I could spend all day giving examples. Why would I want to seek treatment from a Muslim doctor? What kind of intelligence would that demonstrate?

No thanks.

I always am an active participant in whatever treatments I require. I read the primary research literature when available and make educated decisions with input from a respected and trusted physician. My first decision is to choose a physician that I know has no inherent bias against me.

Posted by: cumulusnine at August 20, 2008 11:40 AM

I would be skeptical of anyone offering kind words, with the genuine intent of being supportive, that I will be going to a better place.

Posted by: ronled at August 20, 2008 11:48 AM

Medical students from overseas are encouraged, they bring lots of money from their respective countries as "donations" to certain hospitals and universities that accept them. I know this guy didn't "come" from overseas to attend school, but others do. Lots from Saudi Arabia. I've heard this first hand, and on top of that I am told they are lazy, have no respect for women and really aren't up to snuff. Go figure.

Posted by: gymgal at August 20, 2008 12:22 PM

I too would never go to a doctor with a muslim name, I honestly do not know if I would get good treatment or not.

My best care has come from Jewish doctors. They are my first choice.

I feel sorry for Europeans with socialized medicine. Do they have a choice of doctor, or not? One more reason not to introduce socialized medicine into the United States.

Posted by: nichtdhimmi at August 20, 2008 1:52 PM

Be careful with this reliance on names. It is not enough, and sometimes it is too much.

There are many names that can be confused in this world of confusibles. A Copt or a Maronite may possess a name that might be confused by many with a Muslim name. Someone with a Muslim name may be quite uninterested in Islam -- not every Iranian refugee who deplores both Khomeini and Islam necessarily has a "Darius" or a "Cyrus" to reassure you, and not every Darius or Cyrus is necessarily an ancien-regime secularist, just as not every Antoine or Pierre from Lebanon is necessarily, in his outlook, akin to Pierre Gemayel or Antoine Fattal. Not every Greek Orthodox Lebanese named Charles shares the views of Charles Malik. Names can deceive. And even Malik's own son, is named "Habib Malik." Would you worry about him? You shouldn't, not in the slightest.

Discretion, tact, experience, feeling people out and figuring them out, all these, too, are needed. No need to alienate those who are, it turns out, on your side.

But if you know someone is a True Believer, or merely a Believer, and if you know he shows up at a local mosque to dispense taqiyya-and-tu-quoque, or there is some other giveaway or guide, then why not choose someone else for a matter so grave as your heart, your lungs, your liver, your pancreas, your ears, nose, and throat, and all the rest of this clayey portion.

You would want, in choosing either a primary-care physician or a specialist, to find out who is board-certified, who is recommended and by whom, and where someone studied, took his intenship and residency, under whom, and experience. You might even want to know about bedside manner, level of friendliness and interest and time given to patients. Why, with all that, or at least what you can, to find out about, in choosing or changing doctors, should you add another level of anxiety?

And why, since you understand that beyond the texts and tenets, there is something else, that something else which remains even when much of the literal faith is lost, or was never held in the first place, possibly based on filial piety or embarrassed defensiveness, that continues to be demonstrated in support for the "attitudes" and "atmospherics" of Islam. And these attitudes, that worry, can be found even in those who outwardly seem relaxed, even lukewarm about, or possibly lapsed in their Islam.

Why should you have to worry about any of this, or about the Mike-Hawash return-to-that-old-time-religion problem, which might take place unbeknownst to you, in the privacy of the mind of someone who, to your knowledge, at the moment exhibits only the forme fruste of the pathological condition that this Total Belief-System, if taken seriously, encourages?

Posted by: Hugh at August 20, 2008 2:43 PM

Sagacious.

Posted by: undaunted at August 20, 2008 3:29 PM

"Be careful with this reliance on names. It is not enough, and sometimes it is too much. "

Reliance? No, just another clue. A signpost. Swim at your own risk.

"Discretion, tact, experience, feeling people out and figuring them out, all these, too, are needed."

When is the last time you spent enough time around a new doctor to "figure them out?"

Life comes at us fast. Not a lot of time to research everyone we come into contact with.

My doctor who is not a Muslim is under no pressure or risk of being seduced over to the "dark side." A Muslim doctor perhaps is.

I agree that your suggested approach is best and fairest, but not always practical.

Posted by: cumulusnine at August 20, 2008 3:58 PM

There is a long history of Muslim physicians involved in jihad. I am sure Debbie Schlussell did an article on it. Zawahiri came from an active Muslim Brotherhood recruitment effort in Egyptian medical schools. The recent UK doctors were another example. There have been many smaller cases of Muslim physician sabotage at hospitals. Arafat's brother who was head of the Plaestinian Red Crescent and prefected the use of ambulances to transport terrorists was another example. Does someone have more info? I think you might even say that being a Muslim and a physician raises the profile as a potential jihaddist.

Posted by: Papa Bear at August 20, 2008 4:09 PM

This country is absolutely loaded with people who are non discriminating, non discerning, non examining and non give a damning..so my little reaction to their suspicious sounding name is not likely to hurt them. It's just my way of holding off insanity and joisting at the windmill of political correctness.

Posted by: pismopal at August 20, 2008 4:47 PM

"Whoever killeth a human being, not in liew [sic] of another human being nor because of mischief on earth, it is as if he hath killed all mankind. And if he saveth a human life, he hath saved the life of all mankind." (Qur'an V/35)

Papa Bear,

You're right. Debbie did do an article (several) on this subject. The verse quoted above is part of the doctors oath, sanctioned by the Islamic Medical Association of North America.

They qualify when a DOCTOR is barred from killing someone (not in lieu of another nor because of mischief on earth). Mischief on earth covers a lot of ground, no pun intended.

Article is linked below. It links to many others.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/i_told_you_so_t.html

Posted by: PMK at August 20, 2008 4:57 PM

I understand that the Copts (Egyptian Christians) have a reputation for producing fine doctors.

Perhaps groups such as the Copts could discreetly make available to interested parties, the names of properly-qualified doctors of Coptic extraction, whether immigrants or descended from immigrants, practising in - for example - the USA, Canada, Australia, and the UK.

The Muslims have a finder for 'Muslim businesses', etc.

Nothing to stop us kafir from creating a similar database or databases of businesses and professionals. Peace of mind.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 20, 2008 5:07 PM

I think we have a right to choose our doctors based on their faith (as well as the other obvious attributes). Doesn't the hippocratic oath clash with certain Islamic beliefs concerning infidels?

I had an experience with an Islamic doctor similar to Peotcomic's (above). How can you explain the similarity between at least 2 experiences, that we know of, on probably opposite sides of the country?

Posted by: charlie at August 20, 2008 5:42 PM

" I had an experience with an islamic doctor similar to Peotcomic's. How can we explain the similarity between at least 2 experiences on opposite sides of the country?"
Above

I know..I know..pick me I know..

Posted by: pismopal at August 20, 2008 6:22 PM

and at least people are warned about this potential doctor but how many more doctors are already in this country enjoying a high standard of living and at the same time are trying to push the Sharia law in the judicial system of Americam They have the money to buy predatory lawyers and naive or corrupt judges. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/judgefields/

Posted by: Tartine at August 20, 2008 6:23 PM

"How will the lawyers defending that lawsuit avoid discussion of what Islam teaches, and avoid the problem -- it cannot much longer be avoided -- of Muslims treating those whom they are taught to treat with permanent mistrust and hostility?"

Unfortunately, I think I know the answer to this one. The defense lawyers will turn it around and say that the good doctor did his best, it is the islamophobic patient that has the problem

Posted by: Mick_n_NYC at August 20, 2008 8:19 PM

The Applebaum case is found at www.WhoKilledJA.com

It is the first time complete medical records have been posted to document to the world what happened to a patient killed by physicians.

Also posted are the legal records of the ongoing malpractice action.

Posted by: emet-veritas at August 21, 2008 12:23 AM

I have often thought of Muslim doctors and because of the Quran and Hadiths, I will stick to my non-Islamic doctor. I feel safer.

Posted by: herself at August 21, 2008 4:09 AM

If a moderate Muslim does not renounce Islam and change his/her name to a non Muslim name he could be as bad as any Jihadist. Here is why, suppose a moderate Muslim marries another moderate Muslim in a western country like US or UK. Their children will be Muslims too and sooner or later will attend Mosques that will indoctrinate them (brain washing them) to hate and kill non Muslims or infidels. As you can see, in this case the moderate Muslims contribute to Jihad, to hatred, killings and extreme Muslims just like any extreme Muslims do. A moderate Muslim is nothing but a sleep cell unless he/she renounces Islam and change their names to non Muslim names

Posted by: American at August 21, 2008 10:23 AM

I described this case in detail to relatives, just to see what they thought the end result would be. The first thing that came out of their mouths was, "Deportation?"

So we have post 9/11 world in which a man is found in fatigues and an assault rifle (illegal). He is an immigrant.

If I went out and was caught with an AK-47 wouldn't I get worse than 2 years probation? I don't even have a website supporting jihad, hizbollah, or come from a suspicious.

Which brings up the question? Are the Feds on this to trump everything? They better be. What's homeland security even for? And furthermore ...

WHAT DOES ONE HAVE TO DO TO BE DEPORTED if not this???

Posted by: Palamas at August 21, 2008 11:53 AM

WHAT DOES ONE HAVE TO DO TO BE DEPORTED if not this??? Asks Palamas. Answer. No one will ever be deported from the US, for it is a mentality of liberalism, that everyone in the world has a "right" to become an American (and maintain their allegiance to their country of origin / ethnic tribe) back in the old country.

I live in Dearbornistan, Michigan. I'm familiar with this case. It is right to postulate, if I as a 4th generation white American were to run around one of our city parks dressed like a Hezbo-boy, wielding an AK-47, I would likely be punished much more severely than Zorkot, the wannabe Hezbo-boy.

Remember folks, Islam is very much a political ideology. It is spread through immigration. So called "moderate Muslims" are irrelevant. They quietly support the more radical of their brethren.

It's all about the immigration numbers....

Posted by: Nessus at August 21, 2008 12:58 PM

"It's all about the immigration numbers.... "

Nessus ;

Very true, although it is only a beginning. Once a person becomes a citizen, they become a lifeline to family in the native country. They can be used to import everyone tied to the family members far and wide.

One can become hundreds, and more again.

This aspect of immigration needs to be revised in wake of this threat from islam.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at August 21, 2008 2:13 PM

Nessus,

What did locals say? Did he get expelled from the Medical School? Was the judge a muslim? The jury?

Seriously, what is really going on here?

Posted by: Palamas at August 21, 2008 4:30 PM

Sorry for the delay guys......

Local reaction? Virtually none! There is virtually no news coverage of this issue, almost nothing.

Don't know the make-up of the judge and jury but I'm sure they weren't muslim, just a diversity obsessed, multi-culti, political machine no doubt.

Our mayor said (remember, this incident happened last Sept, right after 9/11), that the city didn't release the event to the media and public until AFTER 9/11, because he didn't want to create an anti-Muslim feeling within the city.

What nonsense.

There muslims around town are by and large, dual citizens, constantly on their cell phones, I'm sure talking back to the old country of Lebanon, Syria, etc.

You are right, Islofob IS-1, it's not only the original immigrants, its the relative they sponsor. This is true for Muslims and Mexicans as well. This nation is becomming "Mexicanized" based on endless family chain immigration.

The numbers and the policy of allowing immigrants to sponsor an almost unlimited number of "cousins" to enter this country. We are screwed unless these policies change.

Posted by: Nessus at August 22, 2008 7:40 AM