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Jeffrey Imm of the Anti-Jihad League of America, a longtime friend of Jihad Watch (whom I thank for links on practically a daily basis), here provides a report on ongoing jihadist activity in British mosques:
The UK's Security Service MI-5 report recently leaked to the UK Guardian newspaper is reported to show that "there is no single pathway to violent extremism" and "there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."However, a new documentary "Undercover Mosques: The Return" by UK's Channel 4 is to be broadcast on September 1 that shows Islamic supremacists promoting such radicalism directly in British mosques: "Channel 4 announces return of Undercover Mosque," by Tara Conlan for the Guardian, August 22:
In the new documentary, a female reporter attends prayer meetings at an important British mosque which claims to be dedicated to moderation and "dialogue with other faiths".According to Channel 4, "she secretly films sermons given to the women-only congregation in which female preachers recite extremist and intolerant beliefs".
In one scene, as hundreds of women and some children come to pray, a preacher calls for adulterers, homosexuals, women who act like men and Muslim converts to other faiths to be killed, saying: "Kill him, kill him. You have to kill him, you understand. This is Islam."
Channel 4 also said that in the same mosque, "the reporter visits the bookshop and discovers books and DVDs still on sale, promoting extremist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic and intolerant messages".
The undercover reporter also "films inside a key Saudi-funded Muslim organisation, which claims to promote tolerance and integration yet distributes literature which promotes intolerance for non-Muslims, an extreme version of sharia law and teachings which support discrimination against women".
In addition, Undercover Mosque: The Return also "investigates the role of the Saudi Arabian religious establishment in spreading a hard-line, fundamentalist Islamic ideology in the UK - the very ideology the government claims to be tackling".
A former Foreign Office minister tells Dispatches he thinks the government should take a stronger line on the issue.
On January 15, 2007, UK Channel 4's Dispatches broadcast its initial "Undercover Mosque," documentary, which was the source of protests by British Islamic organizations. (Online video of this documentary is available online.) The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) accused the documentary of "misrepresentation," and West Midlands police and Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) claimed that the program was heavily edited and distorted comments. In November 2007, however, UK's media regulator Ofcom found that such accusations of misrepresentation were false; in January 2008, UK Channel 4 and producer Hardcash sued the West Midlands police and CPS for libel. Channel 4 and Hardcash were awarded a six-figure sum in damages in May 2008 by the West Midland police and CPS for the false accusations.
In the first "Undercover Mosque" broadcast, Dispatches captured the Islamic supremacist ideology being preached and taught in British mosques. Per Channel 4, the broadcast included sermons in which: "preachers proclaim the supremacy of Islam, preach hatred for non-Muslims and for Muslims who do not follow their extreme beliefs - and predict a coming jihad. 'An army of Muslims will arise,' announces one preacher. Another preacher said British Muslims must 'dismantle' British democracy - they must 'live like a state within a state' until they are 'strong enough to take over.'"
After the initial "Undercover Mosque" broadcast, UK Conservative MP Lee Scott stated at the time that "I was appalled by some of the things we saw, it must be investigated, I want to know what this stuff was, and why it took a TV documentary to expose it. The mosque must know what is happening inside its building." UK Labour MP Louise Ellma stated: "It's deeply disturbing that this preaching of hate is still going on. There should be a further investigation into the bookshop and what these people are preaching." A year and a half later, the new Dispatches documentary will show that such activities are continuing in British mosques.
In June 2008, UK Channel 4's Dispatches broadcast another documentary "From Jail to Jihad" showing the spread of Islamic supremacism throughout British prisons, and in August 2007 another Dispatches documentary was broadcast "Britain Under Attack from Jihad."
The recent UK MI-5 leaked report ignores the obvious "pathway to violent extremism" is through Islamic supremacist ideology being taught directly in British mosques, despite the numerous reports of this by UK's Channel 4 and others in the United Kingdom. Clearly UK's government is unwilling to face the growing Islamic supremacism in the United Kingdom.
With three failed attempts at mass-casualty terrorist attacks on the United States, British Jihad and its growing Islamic supremacism remains a major threat to the United States. Ongoing news reports on British Jihad and Islamic supremacism are being tracked at BritishJihad.com.
Posted by Robert at August 22, 2008 3:33 PM
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There is also a growing problem of radical islamic supremacist ideology in American Mosques. mappingsharia.com was out to expose this although I haven't seen any updates from their site in a while.
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at August 22, 2008 3:47 PM
Per Channel 4, ... 'An army of Muslims will arise,' announces one preacher. Another preacher said British Muslims must 'dismantle' British democracy - they must 'live like a state within a state' until they are 'strong enough to take over.'"
-from the article
But won't all of these charges, even if filmed from beginning to end, be dismissed as the views of extremists and not indicative of "Islamic" beliefs?
If people won't accept what is being said, then what? MI-5, an organization entrusted with the security of Britain, refuses to admit the truth.
We might all have to learn the hard way that jihadists say what they mean and mean exactly what they say and that "Muslims" will never reject them.
at August 22, 2008 4:03 PM
Check what these jihadi Kashmiri Muslims did to minority hindus in kashmir and drove them out of their land, now 5000000 kashmir's hindus are refugees in their own county
http://www.kashmir-information.com/Atrocities/Temples/index.html
Posted by: Voice Of Jammu & Kashmir(India) at August 22, 2008 4:04 PM
To readers of JW: All of my essays can be republished online for free. Every now and then, I will also give my permission to republish some of my essays in print. Anybody who wants to anywhere can republish my latest essay for free, also in print. If you want to translate it to German, Thai, Indonesian, Persian or some other language, that's OK, too, as long as I am credited as the author.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/atlas-exclusi-2.html
at August 22, 2008 4:26 PM
The female undercover reporter has ****'s of steel. I think it is a heroic act to standup and expose Islam for what it is. A first class job of reporting.
"Kill him, kill him. You have to kill him, you understand. This is Islam."
Muslims talking to Muslims is an ugly thing.
at August 22, 2008 4:34 PM
Does Channel 4 and their intrepid female reporter get the Anti-Dhimmi Award 2008 (Media Division), for doing this program?
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 22, 2008 4:55 PM
PMK, Good for Channel 4. I wish we had a channel that would do the same.
The last time we had to deal with people who felt deep down that they were superior to others, were the Nazis. I have met some former Nazis in my lifetime, and they really conducted theirselves as superior to others and I am sure, will do so for the rest of their life. That is their personality.
Posted by: Spot on at August 22, 2008 5:10 PM
India has world's largest pool of Muslims and they have started creating problems for other communities which is supported by Islamic Pakistan. To counter Islam, world has to look at Pakistan which is the nerve center of Islamic Jihad without which world is no longer a safe place.
http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Voice Of Jammu & Kashmir(India) at August 22, 2008 5:31 PM
Here is something Mr Spencer posted on April 7 2007.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015970.php#comments
It features an extended extract from a 'sermon' that the Ayatollah Khomeini [may his name be erased] gave in 1981 on the occasion of Mohammed's Birthday.
Here is that passage. Note how many times the word 'kill' appears.
"The real Day of God is the day that Amir al mo’menin [Ali, Shi'ite Islam's first Imam] drew his sword and slaughtered all the khavarej [a group that rejected Ali's leadership] and killed them from the first to the last.
"The Days of God are when Allah, the gracious, the almighty, causes an earthquake. It is when He slaps on the face. It is when he causes a hurricane. He whips this people to become humans.
"If the Amir al mo’menin [the leaders of the believers, Ali] wanted to be tolerant, he would not have drawn his sword killing 700 people in one go.
"In our prisons we have more of the same kind of people who are corrupt. If we do not kill them, each one of them that gets out, will become a murderer! They don’t become humans.
"Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting? Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of killing?
"Quran says; kill, imprison!
"Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy? Mercy is against God {i.e. 'allah' - dda}.
"Mehrab [the prayer niche in a mosque, in front of which the imam stands to lead prayers] means the place of war, the place of fighting.
"Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed, just as all the wars of Islam used to proceeded out of the mehrabs.
"The prophet has [had] sword to kill people.
"Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.
"We need a Khalifa [caliph, leader] who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people. In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people.
"In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza [a Jewish tribe of Medina, massacred by Muhammad] because they were a bunch of discontent[ed] people. If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe that was justice.
"The lives of people must be secured through punishment. Because, the protection of the masses lies beneath these very punitive executions. With just a few years of imprisonment things don’t get fixed. You must put aside these childish sentimentalism.
"We believe that the accused essentially does not have to be tried. He or she must just be killed. Only their identity is to be established and then they should be killed."
Now compare Shi'ite Khomeini's violent rant, with the passage from the article above, describing an exhortation delivered inside a mosque in England, twenty years later (a mosque that is most likely not a Shiite but a Sunni, Saudi-funded mosque):
"In one scene, as hundreds of women and some children come to pray, a preacher calls for adulterers, homosexuals, women who act like men and Muslim converts to other faiths to be killed, saying:
"Kill him, kill him. You have to kill him, you understand. This is Islam."
As Walid Shoebat, I think, once said: "What part of the word 'kill!' do you not understand?"
at August 22, 2008 5:31 PM
Bomb kills 21 in south Thailand
among the wounded, who included civilians, was the town's police chief, police said.
http://news.smh.com.au/world/bomb-kills-21-in-south-thailand-police-20080822-3zsh.html
at August 22, 2008 5:33 PM
Spot On,
I agree, Channel 4 is to be commended.
But look at MI-5. I expect MI-5 to know more about what's going on than even the media. Are we to believe that they have had no one in the mosques taking note of what is said? Their report says "there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."
Suppose we had a channel that was as serious about covering Islam as it was the missing woman of the week? It would immediately be labeled a hate-monger. We have JW. It's accused of purveying hate and spreading lies. Even people who should know better cannot bring themselves to condemn the TENETS of Islam, lest they offend Muslims anywhere in the world.
3,000 people were murdered and all we've heard for seven years is how Islam is a religion of peace, even as the Islamic "militants" grow more belligerent and make open threats against all of us.
Does any of it matter if our government officials refuse to accept the truth and if we refuse to go against our normal voting patterns to elect people who will take this threat seriously?
at August 22, 2008 5:37 PM
"...a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."
This is probably true for followers of most religions. This statement statement should be qualified with "...except in the case of Islam."
Posted by: Eastview at August 22, 2008 5:47 PM
Let me try this again ;-(
"...a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."
From the article.
This is probably true for followers of most religions. However, to be accurate this statement should be qualified with "...except in the case of Islam."
Posted by: Eastview at August 22, 2008 5:51 PM
The undercover reporter also "films inside a key Saudi-funded Muslim organisation, which claims to promote tolerance and integration yet distributes literature which promotes intolerance for non-Muslims, an extreme version of sharia law and teachings which support discrimination against women".
This is not radical Islam.
This is not extreemism in Islam.
This is Sharia law.
All teachings in Islam support discirmination not only against women but against non-Muslims, and then you must be of the same sect.
at August 22, 2008 6:10 PM
Does any of it matter if our government officials refuse to accept the truth and if we refuse to go against our normal voting patterns to elect people who will take this threat seriously?
PMK
If enough of the public is finally made aware, there will be a tipping point reached. Politicans are preception oriented only.
Posted by: Spot on at August 22, 2008 6:37 PM
A man who is secure in his accomplishments does not need to assume a mantle of superiority over others. Only those who have a deep-seeded insecurity need to assert that their way is the best and that everyone should follow it, either voluntarily or by force. Isn't it ironic that followers of the Islamic ideology find it necessary to spout this kind of nonsense? They obviously have a very high sense of inadequacy and insecurity and, as long as they follow Islam, it seems to me that is a well deserved sense.
Posted by: George Mc. at August 22, 2008 6:57 PM
Switzerland: Former Guantanamo prisoners apply for asylum
Three detainees at the US Guantanamo Bay prison camp in Cuba have applied for political asylum in Switzerland, reports said Thursday.
Why can't they go where they came from?
The men are from Libya, Algeria and China, the Swiss federal office for migration confirmed. The Chinese man is a member of China's Uighur Muslim minority.
The spokesman for the migration office, Jonas Montani, told dpa that the applications would be handled like any other.
According to Swiss media reports, the three asylum seekers have been released from the US prison camp without charge. The camp was set up following the 2001 attacks on the US for suspected terrorists.
at August 22, 2008 8:16 PM
This does not surprise me. A moderate Muslim by our definition, is an Apostate. The penalty is death. This makes it very difficult to interpret the rules and laws in a moderate manner. Within Islam, actual moderates have a very difficult path. Unless you can get a large number of people to agree with you, change will be impossible. And even then, it will be resisted. Violently if the change is serious enough.
Posted by: joe-six-pack at August 22, 2008 8:21 PM
Thanks, Fjordman, I enjoyed your article. By the way, I love the Tina Magaard quote and have used it in a letter to the editor. She's a Great Dane, Woof!
Posted by: jewdog at August 22, 2008 8:27 PM
OT: Unmanned Drone On L.I. Sparks Terror Investigation
http://www.wnbc.com/news/17266645/detail.html
By Jonathan Dienst
POSTED: 1:36 pm EDT August 22, 2008
UPDATED: 7:57 pm EDT August 22, 2008
NEW YORK -- An unmanned drone being built by an engineer on Long Island sparked a large counter-terrorism investigation across the New York area, officials tell WNBC.com. Police said they had stumbled upon overnight testing of the drone at a little-used airstrip in Calverton, Long Island. The investigation began in February of last year, when investigators first learned testing of the drone was underway. Officials said the drone was being designed to carry more than 600 pounds of explosives. "It could be in the air for 8-10 hours and there's potential harm if it is carrying a large amount of toxic material," NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly said in explaining why his department's counterterrorism officials were concerned.
Police surveillance video obtained by News 4 New York shows a white van rolling onto the tarmac, a small group of men jumping out and ground testing the unmanned flight vehicle.
Kelly said the engineer building the drone never reported his work to any agency including the Federal Aviation Administration or local authorities. Investigators said concern increased for a time when they learned the man behind the project was an Egyptian national who had entered the U.S. on a Sudanese passport.
"It was such a bizarre set of circumstances," said New York State Homeland Security Director Michael Balboni. "Of course we watched it as closely as we did anything that was on our radar screen."
NYPD officials worked with Suffolk County police and the FBI to determine there were no ties to terror. Under questioning, the engineer said he was an inventor hoping to sell this drone model to the U.S. military. NYPD Lieutenant William McGroarty said during the investigation they had other questions.
"What if this individual could not sell to the military?” McGroarty asked. “Would he then turn and sell it to the highest bidder?"
The military uses unmanned aircraft in Iraq and Afghanistan. But security officials worry about terrorists acquiring them. Earlier this year, Homeland Security officials issued a general bulletin warning they could be used "as an improvised explosive device.”
In this case, police said there is no evidence any laws were broken as the drone was tested on the ground. Officials said if it had gone into the air without prior FAA approval, it could have been considered a crime.
While there are no terror links, police said their investigation continues. The engineer, who News 4 New York will not name because he was not charged, did not respond to numerous requests for comment. His drone project has now been taken over by a Maryland-based company that has registered with the FAA, officials said. One investigator said the engineer, at best, had showed poor judgment in trying to do the project in a manner that raised so many alarms.
After repeated requests for information about this investigation, law enforcement agencies agreed to talk about the case to highlight the city's "Operation Sentry." This NYPD program enables city and suburban police to better share threat information. Officials said the drone investigation is one recent example of how Suffolk County police officials quickly engaged the NYPD's counter-terrorism division to help investigate the report of a drone sighting.
"Regional cooperation is the order of the day. Law enforcement gets it and is communicating more than ever before," Kelly said.
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From the story:
"Investigators said concern increased for a time when they learned the man behind the project was an Egyptian national who had entered the U.S. on a Sudanese passport."
... uh, yeah, that should at the very least increase the "concern".
"NYPD officials worked with Suffolk County police and the FBI to determine there were no ties to terror."
... Whew! I am so relieved! Aren't you all relieved? Must just be another one of those, "Nothing to see here folks; just move along now."
Posted by: Paleologus at August 22, 2008 10:28 PM
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
Good to see you posting. What's happening with your site?
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at August 22, 2008 10:40 PM
Thanx heroyalwhyness:
We'll be back in no time.
Any Muhammedan who believes he can take us down is delusional. We'll come back stronger and better!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 23, 2008 3:35 AM
Thankyou RS,
I have often wondered why there was no site following islamic goings on in the UK.
This is the first time I have heard of British jihad.com
Thanks again for the link
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When the pm of Turkey makes statements like this
Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
When statements like this are made,I often wonder exactly what our governments hear ???
Posted by: doubtingthomas at August 23, 2008 4:16 AM
PMK, Could it be that the MI-5, who once had an impeccable reputation, is now bending to political pressure and party affiliation similiar to what happened to our CIA.
Posted by: Spot on at August 23, 2008 7:50 AM
This is probably true for followers of most religions. However, to be accurate this statement should be qualified with "...except in the case of Islam."
Eastview
There is no significant civilized religion, except for Islam, that does not embrace the ancient "Golden Rule" in some form or another. The "Golden Rule" is a basic tenet of religion and is missing with Islam. This is why I believe that Islam is not a religion but a military/political facist system to control people, invented by Mohammad.
Posted by: Spot on at August 23, 2008 7:57 AM
"Could it be that the MI-5, who once had an impeccable reputation, is now bending to political pressure and party affiliation similiar to what happened to our CIA."
Spot On,
Bingo! That's the point. It's why even continuous news coverage and a deluge of brilliant investigative reporting isn't enough.
MI-5, an organization entrusted with the security of Britain, refuses to admit the truth.
If our leaders won't see the light and we won't remove our leaders then where do we go?
Posted by: PMK at August 23, 2008 8:59 AM
"If our leaders won't see the light and we won't remove our leaders then where do we go?"
Posted by: PMK
The only place left then seems to be into the streets with pitchforks!
Posted by: Eastview at August 24, 2008 3:56 AM
There is no significant civilized religion, except for Islam, that does not embrace the ancient "Golden Rule" in some form or another. The "Golden Rule" is a basic tenet of religion and is missing with Islam.
Posted by: Spot on
An astute and accurate observation.
Posted by: Eastview at August 24, 2008 4:03 AM
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