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And at least one of them was or is KGB.
We have noted many times over the years how eager Russia is to help Iran and other jihadists, despite facing its own jihadist troubles in the Caucasus. And now this suggests that the linkage between Russia and the jihadists may be even closer.
"Finnish Islamists back Russia," from A Step At A Time, August 28 (thanks to Maxwell):
The possibility that Islamist movements in Europe and probably also further afield to some extent work in harmony with the Putin/Medvdev schemes in the field of military and foreign policy is evidenced by an interesting statement by the Finnish Islamic Party (Suomenislamilainenpuolue), which aims to represent the interests of Finland's small Muslim minority. The statement condemns the "aggressive acts of the Georgian leadership" and gives the party's full support to Russia. It also makes a savage attack on the president and government of Estonia, and demands that President Saakashvili be put on trial for war crimes. Although Finland's Muslims are mostly Tatars, and have little time for fundamentalist ideology, the document is a curious and revealing indicator of the sort of sources where the Kremlin may really be deriving support in today's world. The fact that the Hamas organization was the first to recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia may not be a coincidence.That some voices in Finland may be helping to foment a movement which they call a "Russian Intifada" among Estonia's Russian-speaking minority is shown by this blog, which is dedicated to the subject.
There has long been a noted connection between the Kremlin and Islamist groupings, and it is no secret that, as Alexander Litvinenko pointed out before he was brutally murdered in London, Al-Qaeda’s Ayman al-Zawahiri trained at a Federal Security Service (the former Russian KGB) base in Dagestan in 1998.
Posted by Robert at August 29, 2008 7:05 AM
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It's been said that there were Muslim separatists agitating in Abkhazia(?) and South Ossetia and that the Russians backed them as well.
Politics makes strange bedfellows. It has been seen throughout history. People whose interests seem diametrically opposed are able to join forces and work together to defeat someone who both hate more than they hate each other.
Once the common enemy has been dispatched, the fireworks begin. After 2011, when the US is out of Iraq, Russia and Iran will have their own battle.
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at August 29, 2008 7:47 AM
It is also worth noting that US always supported Pakistan in its jihad against India and Afghan Taliban against the Soviets and islamist Kosovo against Serbia. Even today the US considers Saudi Arabia and Paki-land to be
'moderate' allies rather than terrorist countries.
Politics make strange bedfellows indeed.
What is important to note is that muslims can be easily manipulated into serving short term strategic interests, but are extremely unreliable and backstabbers.
Posted by: infidel_hindu at August 29, 2008 8:27 AM
What is important to note is that muslims can be easily manipulated into serving short term strategic interests, but are extremely unreliable and backstabbers.
Posted by: infidel_hindu
having a flashback of own troubles of OBL. he was a freedom fighter too, look who he's fighting now.
russia doesn't know its that being fooled, or what?
i don't believe why any russian who deals with islamists after Belsan can stand up and be proud about of it.
Posted by: theygottago at August 29, 2008 9:48 AM
infidel_hindu,
You're right about Pakistan. It was the Cold War mentality. India seemed the more obvious ally but India had chosen to remain aloof. India decided it would not be drawn into the bipolar struggle.
Pakistan offered Americans help. It was willing to join us in the fight against Communism. India wasn't. Unlike India, we couldn't afford to be selective. Today people say the West's victory in the Cold War was inevitable, but no one knew that early on, and even as late as the 1970s, Communism still seemed to be on the march. We took our friends where we could find them.
Was it the British experience? What made India turn away from the West for decades? It was India's desire to remain out of the struggle that probably led US leaders to Pakistan. The non-aligned movement didn't help. Neutrality isn't the best way to win friends.
at August 29, 2008 10:40 AM
As it stands now, Russia and Islam deserve each other. Putins black belt won't help him much when the jihadi's come for him...
Posted by: duh_swami at August 29, 2008 11:23 AM
Robert,
Litvinenko, who had aparently engaged in some murky money extortion before his bizarre death, was a convert to Islam and an outspoken Chechnya jihad enthusiast. Contrary to that person's deliberate propaganda lies, Zawahiri was not trained by the Russian FSB in Dagestan in 1998. He was arrested by the Russian FSB in Dagestan in Jan. 1997 while trying to make his way to the breakaway jihadist Chechnya posing as a Sudanese businessman "looking for leather to buy". The Russians kept him in jail for 5 months in jail in the city of Makhachkala, trying to figure out what to make of him. They did not know who he was, but the US did, and it was not cooperating with Russia, totally devoted to cantacuzening jihad against her. All the terrorist training Zawahiri ever had he got from our CIA. He traveled in the US in 1991 & 1995, recruiting and fundrising for al-Qaida (Emerson has him on video).
11 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers fought against the Russians in Chechnya. The Big Four of 9/11 - Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Ziad Jarrah and Ramzi Binalshibh - originally intended to join jihad in Chechnya, but Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and bin Laden convinced them to take cenral roles in their "planes operation" against the Americans instead.
I am surprised that someone as brilliant as you are fell for deliberate lies by dubious persons.
Yes, the jihadists world over are now siding with Russia in its confrontation with the West. Iran and Syria take advantage of the crisis, eagerly offering their territories to Russia to deploy there any number of advanced missles, conventional or nuclear. And this is rather tempting for Russia. With the entire West this united in its hostility to Russia, it just might drive Russia further into the jihadists corner, for it cannot afford to be picky about allies as the West gloats that Russia "will be isolated". Russia and the West have now settled into the vicious cycle of mutual Cantacuzening. Bad for Israel. Bad for the US. Bad for the entire Western civilization. A great opportunity for the Global Jihad to have a huge "infidel" power with thousands of nuclear weapons squarely on their side against the West, which the Islamists are now gleefully exploiting.
And there were ample opportunities for the West to get Russia on its side: 6 years of Gorbachev, 8 years of Yeltsyn, and the first 2 years of Putin. 16 years of non-stop opportunity for the West to make a full alliance with Russia, all of them not just missed but maliciously and deliberately destroyed by the US and Western Europe.
The many years of Cantacuzening are now catching up with the West.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
at August 29, 2008 3:10 PM
Muslims are all too happy to play in Russia's proxy wars against the west. Nice to see the truth finally come out. Thing is, it's too late. We "need" them now because of Iran, and because of their supply route to Afghanistan. Medvedev is on his way now.
Russian Footprints
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjUzMGU4NTMyOTdkOTdmNTA1MWJlYjYyZDliODZkOGM=
Russian Secret Services' Links With Al-Qaeda
http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=252
at August 29, 2008 3:28 PM
What is important to note is that muslims can be easily manipulated into serving short term strategic interests, but are extremely unreliable and backstabbers.
Posted by: infidel_hindu
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I'm afraid that the islamofascists are using us against one another.
Imagine the United States and Russia united against islam.
at August 29, 2008 9:39 PM
PMK,
Abkhazia is mostly Christian and South Ossetia is totally Christian. The separatists are not Muslims.
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Ruslan,
Excellent points about Litvinenko. Also, don't forget that the Georgian psychopath Saakashvili has also given refuge to some of the worst Chechen terrorists.
While the neo-cons in the US do everthing to bring "democracy" to their beloved Muslims in Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc., they deny democracy to the Christian people of South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Nogorno-Karabakh. They also conveniently forget that both Putin and Medvedev are democratically elected and have the overwhelming support of the Russian people.
Posted by: Provoslavni at August 30, 2008 1:58 AM
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