Anyone who believes that who then notices the large number of violent Islamic attacks around the world will ultimately become confused and disturbed.

Oh, but we can fix that! Simply chant "islam was hijacked by extremists!" three times; throw three pinches of salt over your left shoulder; now, dance around in a fairy circle and sing kumbaya.

Feel better? Less disturbed and confused?

No?

Try it again with a liberal buddy!

Posted by: witness at September 1, 2008 9:12 AM

"Anyone who believes that who then notices the large number of violent Islamic attacks around the world will ultimately become confused and disturbed."

I recommend that our astute politicians seek counsel with CAIR so as not to be mislead by those who somehow think that Islam is not the religion of peace.

There is simply no evidence out there that points to the Islamic ideology promoting any form of terrorism.

After all we certainly don't want to be accused of being Islamophobes thus being defined as confused and disturbed.

I'm buying into the myth for my own mental health.

Posted by: Mackie at September 1, 2008 9:35 AM

7th anniversary of 9/11 in 10 days.

That Islam is such a peaceful religion.

Posted by: darcy at September 1, 2008 9:54 AM

Oh, God - there are Mohammedans of significant number in Angola? Sub-Saharan Africa?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 1, 2008 9:58 AM

Peaceful as the grave.....

Posted by: faithmy at September 1, 2008 10:02 AM

For some weird reason muslims seem eager to sink into the bloody pool of gruesome.

The beheading of this girl was a group action.
Not one depraved maniac, a bunch of them.

This kind of human sacrifice is elating to the depraved. They get 'high' from it.

Allah demands human sacrifice. The more torturous the better. The possessed submitters comply.

There is little difference between Islam sacrificing humans to Allah, and Aztecs carving the hearts out of thousands to influence one god or the other. Or even 'Christians' burning accused witches at the stake.

Well the Aztecs are gone, and so are the brutes
that hid their perversions behind the Church.

'Christians' no longer burn witches, they buy their books. That's civilization and human spiritual advancement in action.

Inner struggle jihad is a struggle against
inner perversions. Muslims lose that struggle easily and give over to perversions. One of them is the acceptance and practice of human sacrifice.
Allah willing...and he always is...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 1, 2008 10:45 AM

"confused and disturbed"

The poor dhimmi whose illusions have been shattered.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 1, 2008 10:58 AM

What are POTUS, who dangled the 'Christian faith' at elections, and Americans, who laped it up, doing? Then again, why should POTUS, whose daughter is enjoying bliss and Americans, busy touting Obama / McCain, do (until their daughter's are raped / murdered)?

Posted by: Alert at September 1, 2008 11:09 AM

Would the "christians" consider Baal worshipers to be worshiping the same god as they do?
Just because the word Allah translates to god in Arabic does not mean the Biblical God is "god".
The name Bill does not refer to one man, there are millions of men named Bill.
The nature of the Biblical God is in total opposition to the nature and purpose of allah. Not the same deity.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 1, 2008 11:45 AM

I think that's a bit much.

Of all world leaders, W has done the most to fight terrorists. That the fight is incomplete and has been imperfect is no reason to blame him/trash his daughter(s).

The issue is most certainly not what W could or should have done to prevent the slaughter of this poor girl.

The issue surely is what will you, any one of you, do if a savage with a knife stands in front of you ready to decap a girl. A boy. A man. A woman. Your friend. Your son or daughter. Your wife.

Oh, wait... that'll never happen here. Sorry.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 11:50 AM

Undaunted,

I agree. Alert's post is reminiscent of something one might read at the daily Kos.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 1, 2008 12:19 PM

After eight years of feckless leadership, a vast treasure wasted in Iraq, iftar dinners in the White House, holding hands with muslim potentates and no end in sight - I am ready to blame President Bush. Only a fool signs up for endless, inconclusive war.

The shoe fits President Bush. Let him wear it.

Posted by: HotSpur at September 1, 2008 12:19 PM

Muslim extremists recently attacked the Christian community

Why does the press insist on using the word "extremists" when reporting these things? This was a mob of every day run o fthe mill muslims. Nothing extreme about it.

Posted by: walterc at September 1, 2008 12:25 PM

Just to clarify because I'll be gone all day and unable to answer any responses to my post above, the notion that Bush is somehow to blame because Muslims murdered a Christian girl in Angola is a typical example of "Bush derangement syndrome". We expect as much from our dhimmified, Leftist opponents, blaming Bush and America for every evil perpetrated anywhere in the world. We don't expect it from regular posters here at JW/DW.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 1, 2008 12:29 PM

Undaunted,

I disagree with your position.

"W" came out with the refrain "Religion of Peace" crap that has tied the hands of the Western Democracies. He made it possible for the Mohammedan to scream "Islamophobe" every time some one criticizes fundamental doctrines of Mohammedanism and the Bibliography of it's False Pedophile Prophet.

"W" has done the same amount of hamstringing of the West as any other Dhimmi Politician, all the while spinning it all on his way to the bank flush with Saudi Cash.

As for "W"'s daughters, I find it very interesting how he expects us to sacrifices our children on his failed strategy, while his offspring party and travel the world. (Oh in case you tell me there is “peace in Iraq and the surge is working… That just means the Shiite and the Sunni are now united against you and me, very dumb strategy.)

Want a better strategy, let the Shiite and the Sunni slaughter each other, instead of you and me. It’s their own religion that calls for this, we only need to stop them from killing us and our children. Ask Hugh, he has a better one too.

As for what I would do if some typical knife wielding Mohammedan Maniac attacked? I'll just remind you of the 2nd amendment. A Japanese General once said that they had never thought of invading the mainland of America because “every single blade of grass would have a barrel behind it.” And this is why you have riots and threats in Europe and in America only Leftist gun grabbers and Mohammedan wringing their impotent hands about “Islamophobia” in America.

Posted by: senor doeboy at September 1, 2008 12:48 PM

I'm with Cornelius.

Hotspur, I've clicked on your monicker many times to try to get to your web page or blog but the page is somehow never available, if there is one at all. So I don't know your qualifications to make the assertions you have so often made here viz the prosecution of this war by Bush, et al.

The fact remains there was and is a threat with which W has dealt and will to the degree and in a way that the totality of world circumstances permitted and will permit. None of us knows the details of those past/future circumstances and it's pure hubris for anyone to suggest they do or will or can.

It's not the job of the POTUS to protect anyone from Africa or Asia or even Canada. His job is to protect Americans. Period. The evidence strongly suggests that he has done a good job of that.

Don't damn the good in your irrational demand for the perfect.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 12:48 PM

Thanks for the sagacious insight, senor. And for the reminder of the 2d Amendment.

Everything's coming into focus now.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 12:54 PM

The issue surely is what will you, any one of you, do if a savage with a knife stands in front of you ready to decap a girl. A boy. A man. A woman. Your friend. Your son or daughter. Your wife.

Oh, wait... that'll never happen here. Sorry.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 11:50 AM

Convening a prayer session doesn't register in brain as the initial response for some reason.

Such a savage in the hypothetical situation that you describe would have seven virgins in the hereafter; but the intended decapitee would be relegated to complete more time in the here-and-now, if you get my drift.

Rule me out as a spectator in such circumstances -- I believe that goes for most regular JW readers -- yourself included.

Posted by: witness at September 1, 2008 1:02 PM

"Why does the press insist on using the word "extremists" when reporting these things? This was a mob of every day run o fthe mill muslims. Nothing extreme about it."

It's a circular thing: when reporters see Muslims beheading, then those Muslims must be "extremists". When reporters see Muslims not doing or saying anything violent, then those Muslims must be "moderate". This keeps the Bush myth alive.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at September 1, 2008 1:04 PM

It's not the job of the POTUS to protect anyone from Africa or Asia or even Canada. His job is to protect Americans. Period. The evidence strongly suggests that he has done a good job of that.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 12:48 PM

Sorry undaunted, but Vincent Bugliosi has legal evidence that Bush "knowingly" took America to a war on "lies" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45f1Riv_z1I ). Is this the "good job"? What is the evidence you mention? That USA is not attacked after 9/11? Wafa Sultan disagrees ( http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52962 ). Assuming, evidence supports your claim, in the larger scheme, realize that terrorism is only a tactic, towards a global khaliphat and establishing Sharia. How does "Islam is Peace" ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html ) help against terror, much less Khilaphat / Sharia? Do Iftaar dinners resist or support Khilaphat? What message does "Respecting Islam" ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html ) send? If this is mere "being uninformed" (a pc word for ignorance), in these times of terror and deception, giving passes to the POTUS/commander-in-chief, who got elected as a "war president", does not cut it. No, this is not about Republicans v/s Democrats. Nor about "Libersls v/s Conservatives". Given, like you say, His job is to protect Americans, he should have:
- Expelled Saudi Arabians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Pakistanis from America.
- Frozen assets of the above countries.
- Recalled US ambassadors and sent a stern message to states involved in 9/11.

Yet, he:
- Increased, yes increased, student's visas (the very visas abused by 9/11 terrorists) from Saudi Arabia.
- Blackened pages on Saudi Arabia from 9/11 interim report.
- Included states involved in 9/11, as "allies" in the phony "war-on-terror".
- Increased arms and aid to the same states (now that they are convenient "allies").
- Allowed the Bin Ladens to escape when ALL American flights were grounded.

While he has supported Islam and terror from all non-violent quarters, even if Bush did not support terror, supporting Khilaphat and Sharia is not protecting Americans. No, POTUS/commander-in-chief cannot get away with starting a phony war, which has cost America billions of tax-dollars, blood and lives, as a smoke-screen to protect Islam, which Wafa Sultan has observed, empowers terrorists.

Posted by: Alert at September 1, 2008 1:31 PM

"The community in Andulo is confused and disturbed, not least because they had believed what the Muslims told them: that Islam is a peaceful religion and that Muslims and Christians are brothers and sisters, worshipping the same God...."

That confusion can be eliminated once the lie that Christians and muslims worship the same God is also eliminated.

Posted by: PorkFatRules at September 1, 2008 2:13 PM

Police being unable to stop the attack and fleeing the scene sounds dangerously similar to Ontario Provincial Police withdrawing themselves from policing Caledonia - a small town in Ontario, Canada, where the native protesters occupied a new development site and are terrorizing the community for 3 years.
It is happening not just in Africa, it's happening very close to home. Do we have a right to protect ourselves? DO WE?

Posted by: Charles Martel at September 1, 2008 2:16 PM

"A nation healed; A world repaired; We are the ones we've been waiting for."

Send the One and he shall redeam all.

Sarc/Off

Posted by: Kuffar at September 1, 2008 2:27 PM

Sorry, but Bugliosi testifying before a congressional committee headed by John Conyers and his witch-hunting crew cannot be construed as a fair trial by any stretch of imagination. And what has Bugliosi done of note other than try a slam-dunk case on Manson?

"Legal evidence" would be something that had been accepted by a judge in a trial. Past tense. There has been no trial. Therefore there is no legal evidence. Vincent may have circumstantial evidence that convinces some but that doesn't mean it's legal and should be accepted as truth and fact. The trier of fact is a court of law, not the twisted logic of an arm-chair quarterback.

If any of the "evidence" you post here was "legal" the Democrats would have begun impeachment proceedings in November '06. The fact that they haven't should tell you something, but evidently you miss that point of common sense.

As for letting Shia and Sunni kill one another while we watch, that is nonsense, a priori.

Shia and Sunni have shown a willingness to set aside their minor and few denominational differences in order to kill those with whom they have great and many differences: us. Any president who turns his back on these enemies in hopes they will kill one another off so we don't have to would be dangerously irresponsible. It is strategically wiser to draw those enemies away from the US, into a kill zone of our choosing and to destroy them there. That is what military experts advised because it was and is right and that is what W permitted them to do in his effort to protect us. It has not gone as perfectly as your hubris requires. But it is a job that must be finished and finished there.

There are many here with lots of wisdom about this and that subject. But there is one man in the world who has to sort through all the information and all the options and do what is best for that moment and for the future. That man is not me ~ neither is he anyone here.

That good man is George Bush, with able aid from another good man, Dick Cheney.

And they deserve some respect.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 2:43 PM

undaunted wrote:
"It's not the job of the POTUS to protect anyone from Africa or Asia or even Canada. His job is to protect Americans. Period. The evidence strongly suggests that he has done a good job of that."

The last statement is demonstrably false. To leave one's borders largely unguarded, as bush has, when your enemy is hell-bent on killing your citizens & wreaking whatever havoc they can on your society/economy, is criminal recklessness. There's no excuse here, no judgment call on the issue of border security. And I am sick & tired of the so-called rebuttal that because we haven't been hit by another terrorist attack after 9/11, bush's border security has been at least adequate. If results are all that matter to you, then I suppose that you would have no objections if a car driver drove down the street w/ his eyes closed, as long as he didn't have an accident. The recklessness inherent in that behavior doesn't impress you, b/c, after all, it's results that count. I would no more credit bush for keeping us safe on the home front despite his open border policy than I would congratulate that willfully blind driver for not having an accident.

bush's initiatives for the past 9 months or so w/r/t nkorea, iran, libya & kosovo (and perhaps others that I've forgotten) are entirely reminiscent of the end-of-quarter deal stuffing that tech companies engaged in during the dot com boom in order to hit their financial targets. He's thrown caution to the wind just so he can get a deal signed and proclaim, "Problem solved." No problem has been solved. He's just kicked the can down the road a bit. And in the case of nkorea, they're playing bush just like they played clinton

Posted by: sheik yer booty at September 1, 2008 3:35 PM

undaunted (whatever) -

I guess that I missed the memo that says one is required to have a website before one has an opinion. Whatever.

I believe that we have not suffered an attack since 911 because the muslims have not chosen to attack us here, again. Yet.

President Bush taking credit for protecting America in the open borders context is not unlike taking credit for the change in seasons - it may have happened on his watch, but I don't really believe that he's responsible for it.

Just accept it, undaunted. President Bush is a doofus, tongue-tied, frat-boy, dimwit disaster for the Republican Party and America. No number of ex-guvie clerks saying it ain't so will change that fact.

Deal with it.

Posted by: HotSpur at September 1, 2008 5:13 PM

President Bush is a doofus, tongue-tied, frat-boy, dimwit disaster for the Republican Party and America.

Posted by: HotSpur at September 1, 2008 5:13 PM

After America elected him, Bush has done more for Saudi Arabia than for America. Ironically, when push came to shove (9/11 and after), Bush stood AGAINST America, for Saudi Arabia. Ofcourse, Bush also had to pay-off the corrupt businesses that had financed his campaign so, it was much easier just leaveing the borders open in the name of "compassion" and "jobs Americans won't do" (if that is not spitting on hard-working American's face, what is?). But things got out of control when patriotic border patrol agents Ramos and Compean stopped a Mexican drug dealer. Now what was Bush to do? You guessed it. What a corrupt, timid "war president" do i.e. betray Americans, who electd him. But no fear, as he already had Americans killed in a fake war and got away with it.

Posted by: Alert at September 1, 2008 5:40 PM

As you will.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 9:08 PM

Hotspur, I questioned your qualifications to judge strategic military matters, not if you had a blog or website ~ a question deliberately unanswered by you. A site or blog would have given us some frame of reference as to whether you have these qualifications but, as expected from many of your previous posts, there's no lead in your pencil.

Deal with it.

Too, when did the words paranoid and delusional become synonymous with alert?

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 9:29 PM

undaunted (guvie) -

My qualifications to judge strategic military matters derive, soley, from watching President Bush F-around for the last eight years.

Now, back to your cubicle and browse the web until your next break. Try not to snore.

Posted by: HotSpur at September 1, 2008 9:54 PM

Hotspud, you crack me up.

Cheers.

Posted by: undaunted at September 1, 2008 11:23 PM

According to the CIA Fact Book, the religious/ ideological breakdown in Angola is as follows:

Religions:

indigenous beliefs {ie traditional African animism - dda} 47%, Roman Catholic 38%, Protestant 15% (1998 est.)

According to my Christian source book (dated 2001; and the editors are normally well-informed on things African - the original compilers were South African) the stats are somewhat different - 94 % 'christian', 5 % traditional beliefs, and the rest accounted for by former Marxists and Bahai and Buddhist (!).

So neither source even mentions Muslims as part of the religious 'mix' in Angola. The Muslims must be a recent importation in the wake of 'aid' from Muslim countries. Looks as though they've started right in on combat jihad.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 2, 2008 2:15 AM

According to the CIA Fact Book, the religious/ ideological breakdown in Angola is as follows:

Religions:

indigenous beliefs {ie traditional African animism - dda} 47%, Roman Catholic 38%, Protestant 15% (1998 est.)

According to my Christian source book (dated 2001; and the editors are normally well-informed on things African - the original compilers were South African) the stats are somewhat different - 94 % 'christian', 5 % traditional beliefs, and the rest accounted for by former Marxists and Bahai and Buddhist (!).

So neither source even mentions Muslims as part of the religious 'mix' in Angola. The Muslims must be a recent importation in the wake of 'aid' from Muslim countries. Looks as though they've started right in on combat jihad.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 2, 2008 2:16 AM

According to the CIA Fact Book, the religious/ ideological breakdown in Angola is as follows:

Religions:

indigenous beliefs {ie traditional African animism - dda} 47%, Roman Catholic 38%, Protestant 15% (1998 est.)

According to my Christian source book (dated 2001; and the editors are normally well-informed on things African - the original compilers were South African) the stats are somewhat different - 94 % 'christian', 5 % traditional beliefs, and the rest accounted for by former Marxists and Bahai and Buddhist (!).

So neither source even mentions Muslims as part of the religious 'mix' in Angola. The Muslims must be a recent importation in the wake of 'aid' from Muslim countries. Looks as though they've started right in on combat jihad.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 2, 2008 2:17 AM

Oops - multiple posting. Sorry.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 2, 2008 2:18 AM

Strange how some people can find ways to blame Bush for everything. They even go further back in history before he was born to find sh*t to blame on him. Next they will tell us that Qctavian Bush and Augustus Cheney are responsible for the sacking of Rome. I don't agree with the way Bush pursued the War on Terror, but it's better than nothing. As we shall soon find out at our own peril. Our feelings and opinions are irrelevant. Action is the only thing that will protect us. There will not be another 9/11. It will be known by whatever that day is gonna be, and we will realize that 9/11 was a warning shot.

Posted by: Infidel One at September 2, 2008 2:35 AM

If ever a reason was needed...

Now it's time for you to demand from your favourite charity that none of your money goes to islamic nations.

Islamic nations cause war and strife, then we fund charities to clean up their mess. I say send a strong message to charities - stop funding Muslims or we will stop funding you.

Posted by: Stefcho at September 2, 2008 5:11 AM

I don't agree with the way Bush pursued the War on Terror, but it's better than nothing.

Posted by: Infidel One at September 2, 2008 2:35 AM

Take a close look. Allies in the phony "war on terror" are terrorists (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) themselves. How did that happen? This when the Saudi investments in Arbusto and Harken energy pay off. You see, with a few 'tweeks', "War on Terror" can be turn around to fund, arm and help terror. Proof:
- Student-visas for Saudi Arabia are doubled:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?status=article&id=293758606605909&secid=1501

- Aid to Pakistan has been trippled:
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/index.php?sid=382836

Posted by: Alert at September 2, 2008 8:52 AM

...Now what was Bush to do? You guessed it. What a corrupt, timid "war president" do i.e. betray Americans, who electd him. But no fear, as he already had Americans killed in a fake war and got away with it.

Alert

It is hard not to think that way about Bush, especially when he refuses to pardon Ramos and Compean. However, years ago I had the opportunity to work with a gentleman who was born with the proverbial "silver spoon in his mouth" much like Bush. This individual that I worked with sounded good but was so stupid, naieve, and unknowing about anything regarding other people, that I really believe that Bush is THAT STUPID. So stupid in fact that he would actually go around in public holding the hand of the King Abdulla and looking into the soul of Putin. Just look at that stupid smile on Bush's face. Remember Laurel and Hardy? That is a "Laurel" smile.

Posted by: Spot on at September 2, 2008 9:58 AM

When the criticism of Bush starts to shade off into conspiracy theories about Bush, that's where I glaze over. I agree that in some ways Bush has been ignorant and incompetent about Muslims, but if he's more than that knowingly, then he's evil. And I can't buy that. You'd need solid evidence for such an outrageous accusation. And allegations like Alert's

"when the Saudi investments in Arbusto and Harken energy pay off. You see, with a few 'tweeks', "War on Terror" can be turn around to fund, arm and help terror. Proof:
- Student-visas for Saudi Arabia are doubled:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?status=article&id=293758606605909&secid=1501

- Aid to Pakistan has been trippled:
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/index.php?sid=382836"

don't cut it. That ain't solid evidence. That's a tissue of innuendos and interesting allegations, with too many dots missing to make credible the accusation that Bush knowingly sides with the enemy -- knowing they are the enemy! That's where loony Right meets loony Left.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at September 2, 2008 12:58 PM

DenverRodeo,

I think you have it about right regarding Bush. Bush is not a person who could hope to benefit in any way from intentionally doublecrossing his country. His "ability" to perform as required is in question and his ability to remove the wrong influences in his decision making is in question but not his intentions.

Posted by: Spot on at September 2, 2008 5:08 PM

Sopt on, DenverRodeo,

Fresh from the press: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/09/president_bush_1.html#comments

Posted by: Alert at September 2, 2008 6:29 PM

It is hard not to think that way about Bush, especially when he refuses to pardon Ramos and Compean. However, years ago I had the opportunity to work with a gentleman who was born with the proverbial "silver spoon in his mouth" much like Bush. This individual that I worked with sounded good but was so stupid, naieve, and unknowing about anything regarding other people, that I really believe that Bush is THAT STUPID. So stupid in fact that he would actually go around in public holding the hand of the King Abdulla and looking into the soul of Putin. Just look at that stupid smile on Bush's face. Remember Laurel and Hardy? That is a "Laurel" smile.

Posted by: Spot on at September 2, 2008 9:58 AM

Spot on,

While it is prudent to see and listen to people, in politics, it is quite the opposit. Remember politicians are in the business of "communicating", "convincing" and "swaying" listners. In order to accomplish this, politicians deploy any and every legitimate means. After all, they have to put up this act only until the next election. That is why, often, as in the case of George Bush, voters feel anything from feeling 'let-down' to downright 'cheated' after having voted for their candidate, who talked them into voting for him/her. Like I said, the act only needs to be put-up only until the next enection. If you recall, Bush had not even breathed a word about amnesty while promising a secure USA, while upholding conservative and Judeo-Christian principles. No sooner he got elected (thanks to the controversey, in Florida, where his brother was the Gov.). All he had to do was to out-do his "Skull & Bones" buddy, John Kerry. Note that neither his Saudi connections, nor immigration were considered issues. A keen follower would have noted that:
- Bush went AWOL.
- Bush was a failure in his endeavours like education andf business.
- Bush Sr. had close ties with wahhabbies in Kuwait and Riyadh.
- Bush's failing businesses Arbusto and Harken Energy were funded by Saudis.
- Harken Energy, a relatively small company, won a large contract beating ARAMCO. Secret? Georgie was ion the board of directors, revealing deep financial connections between wahhabbis and Bush.
- First Gulf war started when Saudis were in danger and ended when Saudis were secured.
Finally, Bush had no record of standing up either for principles or for the nation.
Point is, Americans tend to vote based on get swayed by words and personality rather than issues and record.
Like many Americans you seem to be surprised at Bush's betrayal of America at the hands of wahhabbies and illegal immigrants. I for one would be surprised if he did not sell America out, and have a record to prove my stand, if you see the point.

Posted by: Alert at September 3, 2008 1:05 AM