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"AL-Qaeda has released a video featuring a senior commander who was rumoured to have been killed in Pakistan in July, threatening more attacks against Denmark after a suicide bombing on its embassy in Islamabad, according to the SITE group which monitors Islamist websites." -- from this news article
Now Danes have to intelligently consider the following:
1) What is the likelihood that some of the Muslims in their midst will agree openly with this sentiment, and wish to further the declared goal?
2) What is the likelihood that some of the Muslims in their midst will agree with this goal but, while willing to offer financial and moral and other kinds of support, will not themselves participate in furthering such a goal?
3) What is the likelihood that some of the Muslims in their midst may agree with the declared goal, or at least with the goal not of wiping out Denmark and Danes physically, but of ultimately wiping out Danish legal and political institutions, and taking over for Muslim rule? They hope to do this through demographic conquest -- large families, continued immigration, driving native Danes to leave the country, and a constant effort to convert the psychically and economically marginal, whether among native Danes or other immigrants, so that from 2% Muslims become 10%, and from 10% become 20% of the population, and keep rising, and are given positions, to better "integrate" them, in the police, the army, the government.
Meanwhile, they vote as a bloc, the only bloc, and as such are able to control more and more Danish politicians. And in a few decades, not more, they will be able to work their will, or to prevent non-Muslim Danes from being able to work their own will, to continue to be part of NATO or, ultimately, of any Western alliance. They will be able to prevent Denmark from expressing solidarity with that West, and from summoning the strength to deal with what, all over Europe, will by that time be an inexorably rising Muslim population.
4) What is the likelihood that a Muslim who, at the moment, simply wants to make a living and has given little thought to Jihad, or to removing all obstacles to the spread of Islam, will be so grateful to the Danes that he will never have such thoughts, not even if he suffers personal reversals -- loss of a job, loss of status, loss of a Danish girlfriend or a thousand other possibilities -- that might cause him to turn to religion, that is to Islam, as his solace, his consolation, his Total Explanation for Everything, with results for non-Muslims that are not reassuring?
5) What is the likelihood that the children, the grandchildren, the great-grandchildren, of a Muslim who is largely indifferent to the duty of spreading Islam and ensuring its dominance, will themselves always and everywhere feel that same indifference, or even leave Islam altogether? Are the chances excellent that we can be assured that such a person will never change his mind, or that his children or grandchildren will always and everywhere tend to become less, rather than more, fervent in their faith? Do we have any evidence, one way or another, on which to base such a judgment?
6) Tolerance is an Article of Faith in the Western world, and nowhere more so than in the Netherlands and in Denmark. Every assistance has been extended to Muslim immigrants in both countries. How are things working out? Have Muslims been particularly well-behaved in the Netherlands? What happened to Pim Fortuyn (and don't be fooled into thinking he was killed for any reason other than his opposition to Muslim immigrants)? What happened to Theo van Gogh? Under what conditions does Geert Wilders, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali when she lived in the Netherlands, live?
And what about Denmark? Any reason to worry about cartoonists such as Karl Westergaard? The editors of Jyllands-Posten? Every single Danish man, woman, and child who visits a Muslim country? We know, do we not, that death threats have been made against Danes, that is against non-Muslim Danes, in a horrific campaign of hysteria and hate led by, fed by, orchestrated by, Muslims who live in, and have been the recipients of every conceivable benefit from, the people and government of Denmark?
7) Is it possible that the word "religion" is entirely inadequate to describe Islam, which is a Total Belief-System, more akin to the totalitarianisms of the twentieth-century in its ability to control, to such a great extent, the lives and minds of its adherents? Is it possible that Islam is to be distinguished from other alien creeds (Hinduism, Buddhism), because Islam, uniquely, is both alien and hostile to the West, as it is to all non-Muslim peoples, societies, states, civilizations? Is it wrong to refuse to avert one's eyes from what is contained in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira? Is it wrong to note that the Perfect Man, the Model for All Time, Muhammad, regarded with pleasure the mass killing of the bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza? That he was pleased when informed of the murders of those who had mocked him in satirical verses, Abu Afak and Asma bint Marwan? That he attacked the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis not because they had done anything to him (they hardly knew of his existence) but merely to seize their women and their property? That he married and had sexual intercourse with little Aisha when she was nine, and because Muhammad is the Perfect Man, Ayatollah Khomeini on coming to power promptly reduced the marriageable age of girls in Iran to nine? That he told Muslims that "war is deception" and practiced what he preached when he entered into the Treaty of Al Hudaibiyya with the Meccans in 628 A.D., a "truce" that was to last ten years, and that Muhammad found a pretext to break after 18 months, once he felt his own side had become sufficiently strong to attack the Meccans without further delay?
8) Is it possible that the political and media elites in the Western world were not paying attention, and certainly not heeding the real experts on Islam, though they did have time to heed the army of Western hirelings, including academic apologists for Islam -- see Olivier Roy or Gilles Kepel on one level, and even lower down, John Esposito and his henchmen Voll and Haddad. Or simply google "MESA Nostra" for more details on the scandal of a virtual Muslim monopoly in this country -- here and there aided and abetted by non-Muslims eager to curry favor with their Muslim colleagues, or keenly aware of the vigilance of such colleagues in monitoring others, and not daring to incur their wrath -- of academic teaching and "research" on Islam, the history of Islamic conquest, and the attitudes and behavior of Muslims toward non-Muslims over the past 1350 years, and -- immutably -- today?
These are a few of the questions that the admirable Danes ought to ask themselves. Perhaps someone in Denmark may see this posting, translate it, and allow it to be seen by a wider audience in Denmark, that country in Europe which so far appears to have better grasped the potentially mortal threat of Islam better than other countries in Europe. And this has happened before with Denmark, and that is why so few of us, at least in the United States, hearing that the Danes are putting up the stiffest and most intelligent resistance, are surprised.
Posted by Hugh at September 5, 2008 9:51 AM
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But why should the Danes, the Dutch or anyone else in Europe feel the need to stand up to Islam when American presidents and presidential candidates insist that Islam is a religion of peace and that "radical Islam" is the concern? George W. Bush emphasized Islam's "peace" after three thousand people were murdered in one day.
Even our most reliable ally since 9/11, Tony Blair, drew a line between Islam and Islamic terrorism. Both men took pains to point out that "peaceful" Muslims were not at fault and that only those who killed in the name of Islam should be dealt with.
Why should the Danes or the Dutch feel compelled to take a stand that two of the supposedly most powerful nations on earth refuse to?
Almost every question asked in this article should be asked of people in Washington.
It's also a question for JW. What are you looking for? Do you think Islam should be banned or do you think all Muslims are inherently friendly to the West and want the same things all of us do? If it's the latter then what do you expect THEM to do?
Do you think that this problem will go away if the al qaedas and Hamases of the world go away? Is the problem in Islam or in the people who "misinterpret" it?
What is a "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only"? If he can become a "radical" given the right chain of events, doesn't that mean he cannot be allowed to live among us at all? Everyone tries to separate the people from the faith: most Muslims are good and don't believe what is preached by al qaeda, etc. But how DO you separate the person who calls himself a Muslim from the faith? Only he can and, so far, he has refused to.
What are any of us supposed to do when people abide by our laws and appear to meld into society? Either we take them for people of honor or we don't. Is every Muslim a traitor-in-repose?
at September 5, 2008 10:40 AM
"They hope to do this through demographic conquest -- large families, continued immigration, driving native Danes to leave the country...."
Much the same thing is happening in the U.K. An article in the 'Telegraph' from 19 Apr 2008 reports that in the period a net 800 thousand British left the U.K. -- 1.8 million left, and 1.0 million returned; while a net 2.3 million immigrants arrived -- 3.9 million arrivals, and 1.6 million left. The article doesn't give figures for the homelands of the arrivals for the whole period, but notes that in 2006, 200 thousand came from the sub-continent -- India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka. There's no indication of how many are Moslems, but obviously they make up a large percentage.
Anyway a rough estimate is that native Brits are leaving at a rate of almost 100 thousand/year, and they are being more than replaced by new Moslem arrivals. The national suicide is accelerating.
at September 5, 2008 11:30 AM
First loyality is to other Muslims. Second to family, third maybe to country of residence whether or not a citizen. If push comes to shove under suitable circumstances there may be an insurrection in an occidental country. I refer to 2006 in France for an instance of how many police and soldiers are needed to quell riots.
Immigrants have usually been loyal to their new country. Muslims are prepared for disloyalty and what was called treason.
at September 5, 2008 11:33 AM
Good questions, Hugh. They're sobering and I can only hope they're read by many Danes and many others in the West. Islam is like no other religion and, as the seventh question above indicated, far more properly and accurately called a Total Belief System (a synonym, in effect, for a totalitarian ideology). In the final analysis it's difficult not to conclude that Islam in any Western society is a cancer in the body politic and it will surely metastasize unless excised from such a society or, at the very least, diligently contained. I concluded as much long ago.
I can look upon no American Muslim as a good American. Either such a person deludes himself, and thus his Americanism does not rest upon firm ground, or, what's worse, he knows exactly what Islam intends and so his Americanism is a charade. Either way, America is not made the better or stronger because of the Muslim in our midst.
America and Islam don't mix. Same for Denmark. Same for any Western nation.
Posted by: Wellington
at September 5, 2008 12:28 PM
From an article posted earlier at jihadwatch - 'Israeli MK to host...anti-jihad conference' -
" the anti-jihad conference will be held in December and will be attended by some 30 European lawmakers from Denmark, Italy, Holland, Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland and Britain."
I see Denmark heading the list of attendees.
Arieh Eldad gave as one reason for summoning the conference:
"There are 60 million Muslim immigrants in Europe, and they have not necessarily come there to be assimilated into society, but rather to resist it from the inside.
"The feeling in Europe is that the time has come to stop jihadist Islam, and this may be the last opportunity."
It sounds as though Eldad and others are thinking along the lines that Our Hugh is describing (that is, they are realizing that these Muslim 'immigrants' are behaving more and more like an invading and occupying army). Denmark may wake up faster than anyone expects.
at September 5, 2008 6:37 PM


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