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Menashe Amir, the Iranian-born head of Radio Israel’s Persian language service, has said: “One of the Iranian religious leaders said if Obama will enter the White House, then Islam will conquer the heart of the American nation.”
Of course Barack Obama is not a Muslim. But if Muslim peoples and states are heartened by the belief that his "Muslim connection" makes him a secret sympathizer, and if he acts in such a way as to allow Muslims, with their conspiracy-theory view of things (conspiracies against them, but also secret conspiracies by "hidden" Muslims), to continue to believe that he is, then it is not enough for him merely to deny being a Muslim. For that is not the main point, or should not be, in what is worrisome about that "Muslim connection" insufficiently rejected. Obama has not provided any demonstration of that rejection -- a meeting with Ayaan Hirsi Ali might help. Nor has he shown any understanding of Islam that takes us beyond the sentimental pieties of Bush, Rice, and others in the current, miscomprehending and therefore confused and endlessly surprised administration. See, for example, the dawning realization that Pakistan is not that "staunch" ally that Bush kept thinking it surely must be, and never was -- and because of Islam, never can be.
And if Muslim regimes and rulers and peoples believe that Obama is a "secret sympathizer" (naturally not making a move toward an open return, or reversion, to Islam out of political calculations that they, the taqiyya-masters, find perfectly understandable, even laudable), they may well be emboldened to act as they might otherwise not act. See Iran, see its possible imperviousness to pressure from an American government headed, as many may think, by a "secret Muslim sympathizer." See Slow Jihadists and Fast Jihadists alike.
For that matter, think of European political figures. How easy will it be for them to meet with an American President named Barack Obama and confide in him, behind closed doors, that the situation in their lands has become very dangerous, and will become more so, because of the enlarged presence of aggressive Muslims? How easy will it be for them to explain that the Western countries, working in tandem, must not only end Muslim immigration, but also end Saudi and other outside funding of mosques, madrasas, propaganda, campaigns of Da'wa, and finally, create an atmosphere that is not one of continued accommodation but of resolute refusal to make their countries any more Islam-friendly than they already have made them -- to their own great sorrow, based on a dawning realization of what has passed, and is passing, and is to come?
Will the leaders of France, Italy, England, Spain, Germany, Denmark, The Netherlands confide in Barack Obama? In the councils of NATO, will generals from European countries describe to their American counterparts the terrible internal security risks that Muslims in European armies, and police forces, and simply inside the Lands of the Infidels, the Bilad al-Kufr, now so obviously pose? Or will they hesitate, because they too, are uncertain about Barack Obama?
These are not theoretical nor wild questions. They are verisimilar. They are perfectly valid. And the fact that at neither Barack Obama nor his advisers have recognized this problem, or have warned Muslim rulers and regimes and peoples not to harbor any illusions about supposed "secret sympathies" -- well, that both amazes and alarms.
Compounding this alarm is Obama’s choice of foreign policy advisers. Obama chose, early on, the egregious and execrable Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter’s man. Does Obama really wish to be associated with Jimmy Carter in any way? Brzezinski helped Carter abandon the Shah (with Gary Sick playing his little role as an “Iran expert”), though I doubt that Brzezinski had a hand in composing Carter’s treacly letter to the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was addressed by Carter “as a fellow man of faith.” And Brzezinski, with Carter, was the chief bullier of Begin and the rest of the Israeli delegation at Camp David.
And then there is Samantha Power. Her entire career has been owed to her “work” on genocide; the Sudan made her. Yet there is no indication that Samantha Power understands that the Sudan has been an exhibit over the past two decades of Muslim Arab malevolence and aggression toward the Christians and animists of the south and toward the non-Arab Muslims of Darfur. In the south it has been a classic Jihad, designed to continue the push southward by the forces of Islam that has been going on, slowly at first, over the past century in the Sudan. The result has been about 2 million murdered or starved to death. And in Darfur, which for some reason was of much greater interest to the kristofs and the powers that be, exhibits the signs of being not a classic Jihad against the Infidel, but is rather a manifestation of the Arab supremacism of which Islam has always been the vehicle.
While McCain shows similar incomprehension, all this hardly inspires confidence in Barack Obama.
Posted by Hugh at September 8, 2008 10:32 AM
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Did he really say it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQK_EhDhZQ
Surely it's been taken out of context.
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at September 8, 2008 10:48 AM
How many people have been saying this? It doesn't matter whether Obama HIMSELF is a Muslim.
No one in his right mind would say Jimmy Carter was a Muslim. That didn't mean his policies weren't harmful to America.
In Obama's case, it's how others will view him. His search for his own identity led him to Kenya. His familial connection involved him in internal Kenyan politics, something no other American leader could have done. What will that connection mean to the US? Where are Obama's loyalties? He's binational. No man can serve two masters.
Regarding Europe: why should the name of the American president have any bearing on how Europe handles its own laws? Europe has taken pride in breaking with America on many occasions. The US isn't part of the EU and it has no vote in any European country.
If Europeans want to end Muslim immigration and make their countries less accommodating to Islam then who or what is stopping them? No one should let them blame their own failures on the US. They're sovereign nations, so let them act as such. We have enough failures of our own to deal with.
at September 8, 2008 11:20 AM
The fact that he could utter "my Muslim faith" without hesitation doesn't help him at all. He couldn't say that unless he meant it. Most folks have no idea how hard it is for someone who is say a practicing Catholic to inadvertently say s/he is say they are a Baptist. Its not done, because the faith you practice is part of your identity.
So IMO I'd say Obama's loyalties lay with Islam and not the west given his upbringing and his associates, not to mention his books.
In his books he repudiates his white side, parents and the west in general whom he sees as the enemy.
Then factor in the so-called church he attended for 23 years preached hatred toward whites and their civilization, preached hatred toward Jews, preached Black supremacy, and allied itself with Hamas and their terrorist activities.
Add in his long friendship with those unrepentant ex-terrorists and America haters Ayers and Dorhn.
Then there is his friendship with Khalidi and the despicable Al-Mansour.
IMO anyone who has friends like this will not look out for America but will pursue a more pro-Islamic agenda here and abroad.
at September 8, 2008 11:57 AM
It doesn't matter that Obama's paternal family is Muslim. What matters is his commitment to fighting Jihadism and not apologizing for it or giving any more of a foothold into the West to Islam as it already has. That is in serious doubt. Some of the strongest critics of Islam were themselves born Muslim and didn't leave it officially until adulthood. Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, to name a few. They are far likely to fight Islamization than Obama, or even Bush or McCain.
Posted by: Max Publius at September 8, 2008 12:14 PM
Well Sen.Obama let the cat out of the bag with the words, "my Muslim faith".
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 8, 2008 12:20 PM
Abrog8 - no, you're right, it's out of context. But the issue is how other islamic countries will see him, which is as an apostate. I think the political duplicity of islamic thought will simultaneously permit rage at his apostacy and love at his generosity and banality.
As for meeting AHA (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) - yes, absolutely. And Hilary too. This is something Democrats should insist on prior to the next election, as proof that their regime will not be tolerant to islamist pressure; call it a probable precondition of support. McCain should be pressured to do the same, and Palin, and everyone else. I intend to write them all about exactly this; McCain to encourage him to put his actions where his mouth have put him (from the laudible comments at the RNC) and Clinton or Obama as a "you know, the other side is doing this: maybe you should think about it" sort of prod.
Prophet Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at September 8, 2008 12:30 PM
Geoff - an apostate? Why not an undercover agent?
Lying is permitted to fight the jihad. Why wouldn't his supposed Christianity be part of it?
Even if he was sincere in his Christianity, it's a safe bet he would be welcomed into the fold if he claims to see the error of his ways and "converts" to Islam. Maybe you can't leave Islam as an adult but you can certainly join.
at September 8, 2008 12:41 PM
Posters above resurrect the very theories that I strove to deny or dismiss -- that Obama is either a Muslim or an apostate from Islam. To be an apostate, you must be of a certain age; below that age, as a child, one is not held to have embraced Islam in quite the same way as those judged to be adults, so that the charge of "apostasy" is unlikely to be made, or upheld. He is, however, suspected of harboring sympathies for Islam, based both on assumptions and on some facts. He has never shown an interest, not even during the past six years since the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks, in reading more, in studying more, in finding out more about what Islam inculcates, and what many Muslims -- though possibly not his father -- in fact not only are taught, but believe, about Infidels, and about the duty of Jihad to spread Islam and then to insure its dominance.
Imagine what those running Saudi Arabia, or the Islamic Republic of Iran, might think with Barack Obama. They might well believe that they can continue to get away with the kinds of things they have gotten away with, and perhaps even more, because "Barack Obama is in the White House." Certainly the primitive masses of Muslims will think he is one of them, and that spells trouble for American policy if they are encouraged to behave based on their misperception of Barack Obama -- a misperception that does not go away merely because he says he "is a Christian." That won't do.
Posted by: Hugh at September 8, 2008 12:43 PM
I don't think Obama is a muslim in any legalistic way. He is not obligated to participate in jihad...one would hope.
But he should, by his history, know enough about Islam, to be able to answer the questions, 'Is Allah God'? And, 'is Mohammad his messenger'?
All candidates should be asked that question...
If, as President, he is soft and enabling for Islam, they will continue to praise him. But the first time he is trapped into taking deadly action against muslims, the honeymoon will be over.
Bush the muslim killer seemed to overcome that. Probably holding hands with Bandar and kissing the King had something to do with it. I wonder if President Barack will kiss the King, I wonder if the King will let him? I wonder if Barack will look deep into Putin's eyes and see his soul...I wonder if Putin will let him...
at September 8, 2008 1:05 PM
Well, there you have it--the difference between the two candidates. John McCain can't recall the number of houses he and his wife own. Barack Hussein Obama, on the other hand, can't remember which religion he happens to profess at the moment.
Posted by: John C at September 8, 2008 1:23 PM
Here's what Obama really thinks:
Its a interview with Brooks, in it Obama states that both Hamas and Hezbollah have legitimate claims.
Here are two excerpts:
"It’s time to engage in diplomatic efforts to help build a new Lebanese consensus that focuses on electoral reform, an end to the current corrupt patronage system, and the development of the economy that provides for a fair distribution of services, opportunities and employment."
"The U.S. needs a foreign policy that “looks at the root causes of problems and dangers.” Obama compared Hezbollah to Hamas. Both need to be compelled to understand that “they’re going down a blind alley with violence that weakens their legitimate claims.” He knows these movements aren’t going away anytime soon (“Those missiles aren’t going to dissolve”), but “if they decide to shift, we’re going to recognize that. That’s an evolution that should be recognized.”"
Posted by: waltc at September 8, 2008 2:23 PM
Hugh said
They might well believe that they can continue to get away with the kinds of things they have gotten away with, and perhaps even more, because "Barack Obama is in the White House." Certainly the primitive masses of Muslims will think he is one of them....
I understand your position and I agree. The problem with BHO is, NO ONE is sure what to believe. But that won't stop the zombies from shuffling to the polls in numbers for the collective good of the people. In fact, the more you don't know the easier it is. In my opinion the Hippie Yippie Liberals are driven by emotions. Words like 'Change' and 'Hope' and 'Believe' stir those feelings that drive them. No reason to know more.
BHO's ties with Islam (however loose the may be) are not my sole concern. His strategy of Socialism being a step forward to the utopia of world multiculturalism is a tool for our enemies. A tool that would be used extensively if he where elected. I believe watered down Socialism is his scope regarding the word change. From there, it is only few more steps. The Collectivists are waiting for a message of some sort or another. I don't think BHO has yet decided what that message will be.
Posted by: Abrog8 at September 8, 2008 2:27 PM
On Obama being an apostate subject to death penalty, I think people are misunderstanding the point.
The underage Muslim who leaves Islam is not subject to the death penalty while he's underage, but it seems that the death penalty does kick in once he becomes an adult, if he's still an apostate:
"A person born of a Muslim parent who later rejects Islam is called a "Murtad Fitri" (Apostate - natural). This is viewed a treason against God. They are given a second chance. If they repent of their decision, they will be released."
"An under-aged male is imprisoned, and only executed if he remains an apostate when he becomes of age."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_apos3.htm
So if this is accurate, Obama is a "murtad fitri" and subject to the death penalty in Islamic law -- he wasn't when he was not yet an adult, but he became a marked man once he became an adult and continued not to be a Muslim.
Remember that Malcolm X was assassinated by a Muslim.
at September 8, 2008 2:48 PM
Father: muslim with communist leanings.
Step-father: muslim with communist leanings.
Mother: radical hippie chick with communist leanings.
Preacher: USA hating, black "liberation theology" nonsense.
Good friend: William Ayers, radical, hippie terrorist.
Hmm, yes he's a "good American" isn't he?
The Messiah with a thin resume.
McCain-Palin by a comfortable margin.
Posted by: Nessus at September 8, 2008 3:01 PM
B.O. has read Bush's book on terrorists, check out his first interview from the Factor on Fox.
If true, its a plus for Bush as he agrees with Bush on his outlook, or he knows the truth and is lying.
You make the call.
Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at September 8, 2008 3:18 PM
Hussein is a Muslim.
"My Muslim faith" - there you go.
Posted by: darcy at September 8, 2008 4:39 PM
Islam teaches that a newborn has an innate ability to know and believe in his creator, and to understand good and evil. Muhammad (pbuh) stated: "Every child is born with the believing nature...it is his parents who make him into a Jew or a Christian."
from
http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_apos3.htm
To be an apostate, you must be of a certain age; below that age, as a child, one is not held to have embraced Islam in quite the same way as those judged to be adults, so that the charge of "apostasy" is unlikely to be made, or upheld.
by Hugh
Isn't apostasy part of sharia law? Can I infer from Hugh's statement that some parts of sharia apply from the date of birth and some don't?
There was no problem with killing teenagers and even younger girls for talking to boys, etc. Honor killings were fine. Is the honor killing outside sharia? It's always justified by quoting the koran or some hadith or other. How come girls are expected to conform fully to the rules of Islam from day one but the guys get a pass? The women appeared to be given no choice on whether or not to accept Islam.
At what age does a Muslim cease to be a child?
One minute, Islam is set in stone and the next it's infinitely pliable.
at September 8, 2008 6:54 PM
None other than the leader of Libya calls Obama a Muslim.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/the_obama_is_a_muslim_smear_co.html
There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama.
Allah willing, it will turn out that this was merely elections propaganda. Obama said he would turn Jerusalem into the eternal capital of the Israelis. This indicates that our brother Obama is ignorant of international politics, and is not familiar with the Middle East conflict.
We still hope that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity, and in his faith....
Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2008 7:20 PM
From Fox News:
In an interview Sunday with ABC’s “This Week” host George Stephanopoulos, Obama tried to suggest that FOX News and others “closely allied” to Republicans are promulgating the notion that the Illinois senator is Muslim.
Asked about whether McCain himself has done anything to suggest he’s Muslim, Obama said, “Let’s not play games. What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come…”
“Christian faith,” Stephanopoulos interrupted, correcting Obama.
“… my Christian faith. Well, what I’m saying is that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim. And I think that his campaign’s upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time,” Obama said.
Posted by: jewdog at September 8, 2008 9:48 PM
I come from a large family that's pretty much divided equally between left and right. Even my parents rarely saw eye-to-eye on an election. That made it difficult for me when I was young because my candidate was whomever they were against. It was sort of like the "Archie Bunker" household politically. To this day, political discussions between myself and a couple of my brothers can come close to blows, and needs to be avoided.
I find it very strange that some people here, especially Nessus, seem to believe that political affiliation is a genetic trait; like eyes and hair color. I can't even reconcile it being a learned behavior.
Posted by: Mick_n_NYC at September 8, 2008 10:25 PM
Obama is a chameleon. He'll change colors and jump through any hoop to please diverging audiences.
But Obama's bonding with Muslims is really more than that. He does feel he comes from there, even though he was raised in an American family. It's part of his yearning for his missing father he'll never meet. It's his preoccupation with the victims of society as a community organizer and the blaming of others which goes down so well with post colonial thugs who are quick to lay the blame for their own homegrown problems with the white man. Instead of focussing on colorless virtues of work ethics or self promotion here is a world view that emphasizes ethnic victimization, a perception that blends so well with irrational Arab conspiracy thinking. And this is also a world view that seeks solutions in stronger institutions that will look after you, and ultimately, sadly, less individual freedom. These concepts are well received in the Islamic world and in the supranational institutions such as the UN that they monopolize.
In this respect, Obama shares a common language with the Muslim world, he represents the first step in their direction.
Unfortunately, a world view that is anchored in being victimized and seeking solutions in ever stronger institutions, in the end often leads to victimizing others and certainly has at its cost a lessening of freedoms for the individual. To the Muslim world, Obama's presidency would have a strong appeal.
Whether BHO is an apostate or not, (at least techniclally he is), I think that Dr. Phyllis Chesler's quote of Bat Ye'or accurately sizes it up:
If Obama is elected, America will become dhimmified even faster than Europe.
Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at September 9, 2008 3:32 AM
I'm more concerned now about McCain's lack of understanding about Islam.
Do you think he'd read one of Spencer's, AHA's or Shoebat's books if I sent it? Mayhaps Cindy would.
Why are our pols so dumb regarding the most important issue in the world?
Posted by: angryamerican at September 9, 2008 10:07 AM
If Mr. Obama was a true Christian, then Mr. Obama would never have stumbled over the question when the origin of life begins. He has been given many chances on this question but never can bring himself to the correct answer: at conception. When Mr. Obama in a relax interview on ABC Face the Nation with George Stephanopoulos , he said "his Muslim faith" .... a Freudian slip, and really reflecting his true position on faith. Mr Obama's voting record on Prolife issues has only confirmed his hypocrisy as being of Christian faith.
Posted by: fisherman at September 9, 2008 1:58 PM
Let me make a comment from the cultural viewpoint of a 53 year old African American woman from the Westside of Chicago who used to hang with and once covered a convention on behalf of the Black Panthers. I also studied Islam formally at Marquette University in 1975-1976 and I visited the mosque run by Walid D. Muhammed, the son of Elijah Muhammed. I know the context of this situation and why Obama is acting the way he is.
Islam has goose stepped itself into the Black community with Elijah Muhammed and the so called Nation of Islam. I have seen so called Christian Black leaders hugging on people who HATE our religion. These "leaders" like Wright allow these people to desecrate our churches with their hate. I saw it! One of them got up during the Christmas season and did a rap to "Part Time Lover" called "Part Time Brother" and called white people crackers-in a church, no less. My nieces whom I raised were sitting right there. Their father is Scottish. They started crying and this "brother" kept right on with his stupid hatred.
When I said something, ALL the Black leaders told me not to "wreck the unity."
THAT is where Obama is coming from in his approach to Islam-it's all a part of Black Unity. He is a typical Oreo cookie-trying to be more Black than anyone else because deep inside he is all fluff. Lots of mixed sisters and brothers do that to fit in. We used to make the joke that a "high yellow"
brother was more militant than God because he had something to prove. That's why he can say, "My Muslim faith" so easily. For many Black folks, having two faith is not only okay. It proves how Black you are.
“Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
That response would be considered cool by many Black people who are ignorant of their Christian faith.
So, no, that was NOT a slip. He meant what he said and this so called slip heartens the many Muslims around the world who see us, (Black people) as their automatic allies.
Posted by: Trimelda at September 10, 2008 10:39 AM
Thank you, Trimelda, for the keenness of your remarks.
Posted by: Hugh at September 10, 2008 9:11 PM
Trimelda,
Of all the posts here about this article, yours really touched my heart the most, thanks.
(I tried to email you to tell you, but it didn't go through for whatever reasons.)
at September 10, 2008 9:38 PM
the "my muslim faith" comment may be taken out of context. i saw the whole thing. it could also have been code. either way, because obama was born of a muslim father, he is muslim, no matter what he thinks. you convert out of it under penalty of death. i wonder why the muslims haven't issued a fatwa against him yet? must be a reason.
Posted by: oldbat at September 10, 2008 11:23 PM
Does Obama eat bacon? How does he feel about pork products? We have heard from his own lips that he wants to help US citizens kill their own babies- what kind of leader is that?
at September 11, 2008 9:48 AM
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