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How? Demographic conquest. And yet Britain continues to hemorrhage money in welfare payments to polygamists and to immigrants who have no intention of integrating. And it continues to fail to protect young girls who are pulled out of school and forced into marriages. "Have more babies and Muslims can take over the UK' hate fanatic says, as warning comes that 'next 9/11 will be in UK'," from the Daily Mail, September 13 (thanks to Alex):
Muslim hate fanatics plan to take over Britain by having more babies and forcing a population explosion, it has been revealed.
The swollen Muslim population would be enough to conquer Britain from inside, they claim.
Echoing Algeria's Houari Boumedienne in 1974: "We will conquer you through the wombs of our women."
Fanatics told a meeting of young Muslims on the anniversary of the 9/11 atrocity, that it would then be easy to impose Sharia law on the population, the Sun newspaper reported.
Speaking at a meeting in London, Anjem Choudary, right-hand man of exiled preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed, said: "It may be by pure conversion that Britain will become an Islamic state. We may never need to conquer it from the outside."
He added: "We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law."
His comments were made as voice of hate Bakri warned that the next 9/11 would take place in the UK.
Speaking via video link the exiled cleric said Osama bin Laden had taught the Americans a ‘lesson’ seven years ago, but the ‘crusaders’ had not learned.
He said the next ‘9/11 will take place in Britain, the next 7/7 [London bombings] could take place locally’.
Bakri told a 100-strong audience of supporters in Walthamstow, east London this week that he believed the British government was trying to assassinate him and claimed to have foiled a bomb plot.
Technical difficulties meant much of his speech was inaudible, but his appearance was greeted by cheers of ‘faith’ and ‘god is great’ at the community centre.
Bakri’s right-hand man, Anjem Choudary, led the proceedings in person, under the auspices of a group called Association for Islamic Research.
The most incendiary speech was delivered by Saiful Islam, who lauded Bin Laden and al Qaeda for their ‘courage’ in retaliating against the ‘dictatorship and oppression’ of the West....
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>>He added: "We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law."
His comments were made as voice of hate Bakri warned that the next 9/11 would take place in the UK.
Oh, STFU you pagan Barbarian savage Primitive.
UK, what are you doing? DEPORT HATE-FILLED MOHAMMEDANS AND STOP ALL FUTURE MOHAMMEDAN IMMIGRATION NOW? GOOD GRIEF - JUST HOW SUICIDAL ARE YOU????
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at September 13, 2008 2:44 PM
i have to agree with darcy on this one. how suicidal are you?
Posted by: theygottago at September 13, 2008 2:53 PM
If some of these people have dual citizenship,can't some mechanism for depriving them of their UK nationality be put in place for coming up with treasonous statements like this ("We may never need to conquer it from the outside" for crying out loud - he should be in a dungeon in the Tower).
at September 13, 2008 2:56 PM
Treason used to be a crime. This is what happens when you piss on the Gospel and devote yourself to Socialism.
Posted by: Jr. at September 13, 2008 2:56 PM
First UK Sharia court up and running in Warwickshire
Posted by: miira at September 13, 2008 2:57 PM
"We will conquer you through the wombs of our women."
Not if they don't stop blowing themselves up.
at September 13, 2008 3:00 PM
Demographic conquest.
Thanks to corrupt White House and timid State Department, Muslim immigration is aceletated with:
... "Religious" visas for Imams:
http://www.pakistanlink.com/Opinion/2005/Jan05/21/08.htm
.... Increased student's visas (yes, the ones 9/11 murderers were issued):
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=108804&d=10&m=4&y=2008&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom
.... Improved Muslim demogrtaphics:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/25/world/middleeast/25visa.html
.... Overall comfort, Thanks to the State Dept:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/09/109309.htm
.... ummah can just walk into Dar Al-Harb, on it's way to the Khilaphat.
Shukran, Dhimmmis.
Posted by: Alert at September 13, 2008 3:03 PM
The US government is allowing in tens of thousands of Iraqi "refugees" and there are plans for tens of thousands more next year.
The Human Rights Industrial Complex is howling that this isn't nearly enough.
They cite poor Sweden - a country of 9 million - who have taken in way more.
Why don't we take a SECRET poll in Sweden and see how they feel about that.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at September 13, 2008 3:11 PM
I agree with what you are saying about the UK Darcy, i myself am a UK citizen but I am also disgusted that people like this can preach hate and get away with it because of political correctness, And i agree it should be considered treason but we have a spineless government who would rather pander to the fanatics than look out for the best interests of its people, in short, i am ashamed to be British :(
Personally, I would round up every single one of these hate mongers and either give them LIFE in prison (and by life i dont mean 15 - 25 years, i mean till they drop) with no appeals and no parole, or i would forcibly deport them to the Islamic cesspit of their choice, as long as they are out of my country and no longer spewing their hate.
We have to pull together and put a stop to this sort of thing being allowed, not just for us, but to save the future generations from a life of barbarism and slavery. Humanity should be reaching for the stars rather than running to the caves, as that is where these lunatics are taking us all.
Posted by: Sm0kA at September 13, 2008 3:20 PM
Macleans Magazine and Mark Steyn were accused of being hate mongers and hauled before Human Rights Commissions in Canada for writing about this exact subject, and what Muslims themselves say, about demographics and the inevitability that may come therefrom.
Muslims would rather we 'Islamophobes' do not put 2+2 together and above all, ignore the threats from the likes of Choudary. They are inspired by this trash and intend to advance with impunity, with our blessings of course. Zzzzzzzzzz.
Posted by: Sounder at September 13, 2008 3:31 PM
Sharia Law Now Officially Sanctioned In UK
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/09/uk-sharia-law-now-officially-sanctioned.html
Posted by: pastorius at September 13, 2008 3:42 PM
I have to agree with darcy on this one. how suicidal are you?
Posted by: theygottago at September 13, 2008 2:53 PM
The UK? Immensely. Colossal. Gigantic. Huge.
Get the picture? They're Lemmings.
Posted by: darcy at September 13, 2008 3:51 PM
“Humanity should be reaching for the stars rather than running to the caves”
Posted by: Sm0kA.
To Infinity... and Beyond!
We don’t need any of that ‘cold fusion’ nonsense or ‘zero point gravity’ stuff, far too fiddly and complex…lets use the power of inflammatory Muslims and their self perpetuating hot air to take us there instead. I have to admit to a feeling of surprise however when we hear of the new threat to be loosed upon us ‘Gynecological warfare’, the mind boggles. I do suspect that a cruise missile has a greater range than a burqua clad woman raising the hems of her garment and going “Phut!”. There is of course the danger of drowning in the amniotic fluids so we’d better get the scuba gear out then just in case.
at September 13, 2008 3:53 PM
"I agree with what you are saying about the UK Darcy" --SmOka
Uh Huh. This is the home of Winston Churchill and George Orwell (Eric Blair)?
WAKE UP UK!
Posted by: darcy at September 13, 2008 3:55 PM
His a link to an article Choudary has posted on his Islam4uk website, regarding his friend Omar Bakri.
He has been kind enough to include his phone number and that of Bakri's in the Lebanon, so please give them a call or at least send a text message!
at September 13, 2008 4:23 PM
it would then be easy to impose Sharia law on the population
lol this sand rat knows nothing about scotland the Scots almost concord in 1745 and came within 20 miles of London it would be interesting to see this paki imposing shari when muslims only make up .84 percent (42,557) less than one percent of the population
at September 13, 2008 4:54 PM
Miira, thanks for the post about the UK Shari'ah court.
Here are a few exerpts from the article:
"Cases already heard include an inheritance dispute between three sisters and their two brothers...
"In the inheritance case, the men were given double their sisters' inheritance [yes--that's straight from the Qu'ran]
A Muslim barrister (a judge on this kangaroo court) said: "We are trying to supplement English law by helping the British citizen not to be forced into or coerced into marriage [yes--because everyone knows what a terrible risk forced marriage is for "British citizens"--good thing there is this Shari'ah court so that they can finally have some recourse]
"Dr. Michael NazirAli said he was concerned that people might feel coerced into accepting sharia arbitration...[ya think? Bravo to the bishop for having the courage to come out and say so. Imagine the horror of escaping an Islamic hell-hole--as Dr. NazirAli did--and finding creeping Shari'ah in your new haven]
Here is perhaps the worst of it--once all parties agree to abide by the findings of the Shari'ah court (coerced or not, one would assume)--the "decisions are being upheld by a County Court Bailiff or High Court Sheriff". Let that sink in--the power of the British state--including force, if need be--is being used to *enforce Shari'ah law*.
What a horror! Britain is indeed suicidal. British common law is the basis for the most just laws in history, in the most civilized nations on the face of the earth--Britain, Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand--and they are giving way, bit by bit, to the laws of dark ages desert nomads.
I am enraged.
Posted by: gravenimage at September 13, 2008 5:06 PM
Somebody, somebody quick, make a film based on G K Chesterton's "The Flying Inn" - but give it a contemporary setting.
Because Chesterton's story was about the imposition of sharia in Britain, due to Muslim infiltration and subversion of the elites ('Lord Ivywood').
Rowan Atkinson - are you listening? Are you game?
Use Chesterton's story as a jumping off point to blow this whole business wide open.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 13, 2008 5:26 PM
"They cite poor Sweden - a country of 9 million - who have taken in way more.
Why don't we take a SECRET poll in Sweden and see how they feel about that.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah"
Here it comes, a public survey about what swedes are thinking about this...
Evidence from the Swedish Integration Board found that 67% of those surveyed felt that Islamic values are not compatible with those in Swedish society. Further, 46% of Swedes did not believe that Muslims were like Swedes, and 37% percent were opposed to the building of mosques in Sweden.
at September 13, 2008 5:33 PM
" Bakri told a 100-strong audience of supporters in Walthamstow, east London this week that he believed the British government was trying to assassinate him and claimed to have foiled a bomb plot."
Well lets cut the guy some slack here, he's at least got a sense of humour.
Posted by: Ian at September 13, 2008 5:34 PM
These British Muslims do not know SIKHS!
The SIKHS have special religious commitments against jihad! For example, it is not permissible to eat halal food! They learn the history of their religion and their religion is linked to antijihadism!
There are numerous SIKHS in Britain! I am confident they shall protect the British freedoms for all Britishs if necessary.
TRANSLATION: if ever one day, Muslims might feel enough numerous in Great-Britain to impose sharia, there are also numerous SIKHS and sharia is ever implicitly and sometimes even explicitly incompatible with their religion.
And British SIKHS are well integrated in Great-Britain and they are likely to defend the freedoms.
Dear British Muslims, if you want to be happy, convert to Christianity!
Posted by: Coaltaxopeuh at September 13, 2008 5:41 PM
England is a lunatic asylum.
Posted by: Silvester at September 13, 2008 6:08 PM
England is a lunatic asylum.
Posted by: Silvester at September 13, 2008 6:08 PM
Exactly.
at September 13, 2008 6:31 PM
To be forewarned is to be forearmed.
Now no one in Britain can say they weren't warned. What happens next is up to them. Do they want to defend their country and their heritage? Will the land of Shakespeare devolve into the land of sharia? Only Britons know.
Posted by: PMK at September 13, 2008 6:55 PM
I have a suggestion to what you can do with Choudary. Put a Qassam-missile up where the sun does not shine and fire it away at any random chosen sharia hellhole.
Posted by: Robin_Shadowes at September 13, 2008 7:16 PM
Immigrate, multiply like rabbits, capture the
vote = Sharia law.
Stop muslim immigration...
Posted by: duh_swami at September 13, 2008 7:52 PM
What these radical Muslims are saying, is simply a statement of fact. Muslims have larger families then other groups, and is clearly visible. It is therefore not irrational to assume, that in say 50 years, Muslims would be sufficiently numerous to vote a British Muslim party into parliament. Such a party will, according to the tennets of Islam, be obliged to vote in shari'a. And thus will end historic Britain.
It is very sad indeed - there really are no soft options left for Britain to survive as a historic nation. This is the real legacy of Blair and NuLabour - a vanished Britain brought about by a careless immigration policy, that ends the nation in less the 100 years.
It is not just Britain, but it is the fate of every Western nation.
There are no soft options left.
Posted by: DP111 at September 13, 2008 8:02 PM
To all Americans here who say Britain is doomed - and why don't they do anything about it?
I would like to point out that the exact same thing is happening in America.
In fact if you check back, you will find Robert has reported on most manifestations of this vile ideology and the stealth methods they are utilising to bring Sharia law into America.
at September 13, 2008 8:15 PM
duh_swami
I'm sure you realise that even if we stopped Muslim immigration, internal demographic growth of Muslims already here, will eventually lead to the death of every Western nation.
So how do we get to a stage that hard policy options become acceptable? As the radical Imams state, further 9/11s in America or Britain, possibly by Western Muslims, are likely to happen. Hopefully, this will lead to hard policy options. It is a necessary evil but far better then the ultimate catastrophe of a vanished West.
How do we get to the stage when hard policy options become acceptable? Well, provocation on the one hand, and dhimmi like appeasement on the other, is one way. Britain and America seem to be doing this.
at September 13, 2008 8:33 PM
"To all Americans here who say Britain is doomed - and why don't they do anything about it?
I would like to point out that the exact same thing is happening in America."
Ken CleanAirSystem,
So what's your point? Just because we Americans are too stupid to do anything about it means it's not a problem for Britain?
We are on the slow track to Islamization while Britain is on the express track.
Why can't Britain show us the way? Someone has to take the first step.
at September 13, 2008 8:55 PM
PMK,
My point is that it can be seen time and time again on various websites, comments from Americans who hurl abuse at Brits as if they are doing nothing (and are wussies for this) with regard to islamisation when in fact that couldn't be further from the truth.
It is not easy and we are not personally responsible for our dhimmi politicians but we have to suffer the consequences of their actions.
These comments come from people who fail to see that the same thing is happening in the US.
Your comment:
So what's your point? Just because we Americans are too stupid to do anything about it means it's not a problem for Britain?
I have absolutely no idea at all how you have arrived at this conclusion, from my comment in question.
Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at September 13, 2008 9:52 PM
Dumbledore's Army, thanks for the reference to GK Chesterton's "The Flying Inn". I have read a fair amount of Chesterton--most notably, his biography of Charles Dickens--but I had never heard of this work.
Here is a link to a review:
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=15-09-049-b
The book sounds amazingly prescient, with its "progressive Islam" and its prohibitions, and its embrace by a moronic British elite, with their disdain for British culture and freedoms, as well as resentment by most levelheaded Brits. From the tone of the review, though, I doubt that Chesterton thought Islam would be quite as violent and ugly as it is.
I'll look for the book. Apparently Dover has a new edition--I gather it was out of print for some time before this.
Posted by: gravenimage at September 13, 2008 11:53 PM
I think that It's just sick how the Muslims just engulf a whole civilization from the inside, putting the whole place under Sharia Islamic Law. I think it's scary because what would happen to America? America always has to be so "politically correct" that we can't talk about the scary issues that face us and look us straight in the eye. Personally I'm really scared. For example in my 7th grade language arts class they teach us about Islam and cut out all the bad stuff and make everything sound all great and wonderful that they do, when really it's not. If this kind of denial and this kind of false justifying is what we are teaching children like me to do then I don't think we are going to be safe from this in the future. I don't want America to end up like Britain. I never had and never will start to believe this trash they are telling us because it's not true at all.
Posted by: gymnast_2 at September 14, 2008 12:03 AM
"Echoing Algeria's Houari Boumedienne in 1974: "We will conquer you through the wombs of our women." "We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law." That was a terribly intolerant thing to post here don't you think? What is causing all of this is my intolerance! If only I made these people more comfortable, and quit it with the hate mongering all of the time they would be our allies, and we could defeat "terror" together! I must be a real racists! sarc off. WOW I kill myself sometimes!
Posted by: ethoman at September 14, 2008 1:24 AM
gymnast_2,
And what has Britain ended up like?
Have you ever been here?
Pray tell.
Do you think maybe that what you read and see on the internet may just be due to our highly developed impartial media?
at September 14, 2008 2:30 AM
This is from an e-mail from John B. in England
Reading the London Daily Express earlier made my blood boil, with yet another article about our British Muslim brothers wishing to cause carnage in a country that is rapidly loosing it's identity, under the title "Britain will be target of next 9/11, warn the preachers of hate". These people should be locked up and the key thrown away.
If you wish to read it, I have copied the article for you below:
BRITAIN is set to be the target of a September 11-style atrocity, Muslim fanatics were told at a meeting in London. And they cheered as exiled preacher Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed ramped up the hatred via video link from his hideaway in Lebanon. The 100 devotees packed into a community centre in Walthamstow heard leaders of the outlawed Al Muhajiroun sect describe Osama Bin Laden as a hero who had taught the Americans a lesson seven years ago.
The meeting, to mark the anniversary of the 9/11 attack on New York City and Washington D.C., was told that the “Crusaders” had not learned their lesson.
Saiful Islam, who is linked to a shadowy organisation called Salafi Youth for Islamic Propagation, said: “The blame of 9/11 belongs to no one but the American government. They are the terrorists.
“Sheikh Osama warned America numerous times. It was because of their own arrogance that Sheikh Osama taught them a lesson, a lesson they still haven’t learned.”
“Wake up. Withdraw. Listen to the warnings. Muslims will stand side-to-side, not just Al Qaeda. The actions of the British and Americans have given prominence to Al Qaeda. All of us have a part to play in stopping the violence or the next 9/11 will take place in Britain and the next 7/7 could take place locally.”
Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed’s former right-hand man Anjem Choudary told how the banned cleric’s aim of flying the “flag of Sharia” over Downing Street would become reality by 2020.
And fanatics chanted “God is great” when the former leader of Al Muhajiroun appeared via video link.
Much of his speech on Wednesday was inaudible because of technical difficulties but he claimed Britain was trying to assassinate him and he had foiled a bomb plot.
Yesterday he told the Daily Express: “I don’t understand what moderate Muslims have against Bin Laden.” He dismissed the murder of more than 2,000 people on 9/11 as “just an event”.
“Osama Bin Laden is a great personality and a legendary person for Muslims around the world,” he said. “He is a man who stands firm against imperialism, against America’s vile policies in the Middle East and in Iraq, and so he has become a real hero for Muslims worldwide.
“Anyone who denies that is either not a Muslim or is a hypocrite.”
Last night Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve said: “Having banned this man and outlawed the glorification of terrorism, what is the Government doing to prevent him preaching vitriol and violence in this country via video link-up?”
Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said: “This kind of rhetoric should remind us that the terrorist threat remains grave and very real.”
Iqbal Sacranie, former Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Great Britain, said: “Such outrageous and irresponsible comments are nothing new from the likes of Omar Bakri and his lot.
“These people know for a fact that they do not represent the views of the vast majority, if not the entire community, of Muslims in the UK. The police should take action on this.”
Sheikh Bakri, dubbed the Tottenham Ayatollah, was banned from Britain three years ago. Research earlier this year showed he has cost taxpayers more than £500,000 He was paid £300,000 in handouts for himself, his wife and seven children.
He was also paid £200,000 to cover rent and given a people carrier costing £31,000.
He faced possible treason charges after praising the London bombers and describing the 9/11 terrorists as “magnificent”. He claimed the voices of dead terrorists were calling young Britons to fight Jihad on British streets.
If you wish, feel free to post this on Jihad Watch. It makes me sick that the British Government allows these sort of meetings to take place. If you or I were to spout on about Muslims in a similar tone, you would be arrested for incitement PDQ.
Thanks John
MK
at September 14, 2008 4:55 AM
All the libs in England probably can't wait to have some more "intergation".
Posted by: Spot on at September 14, 2008 5:50 AM
Hello-Britain, These are the kind of People we are killing in Iraq and Afcrapistan. Having trouble adding 2+2???
You blokes manage to get together in the hundreds if not Thousands to protest just about everything in life. Especially the US. Yet, there is no mention of anyone Protesting this little gathering.
Do we in the US have to jump on the Band Wagon of hate to earn your loving attention?
Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 14, 2008 9:45 AM
Ken CleanAirSystem,
You see our fear at what is happening in Britain as abuse. We are concerned but we are POWERLESS. Only Britons can change their own situation.
I arrived at my conclusion because your statement suggested we don't know what's going on in our own countries. It was the glass houses argument. You see any comment as abuse.
I'll ask again: why can't Britain, which once ruled a mighty empire, show the rest of us how to deal with the Islamic influx? Someone has to take the first step. Britain is in a perilous situation right now, one that the rest of us can do nothing about.
This man wasn't speaking in Arabia. He was in LONDON! He was telling the British people that their rule by Islam was inevitable. What are Britons going to do?
How is that abuse?
at September 14, 2008 10:42 AM
PMK
The Brits can do nothing; we can do nothing except watch in amazement in the realization that we are only several short decades away from the same situation. One of the biggest problems, in my opinion, is the fact that you can't even quote what these Islam Nazi’s are saying without looking like a right-wing nut case in most circles. In addition moderate Muslims really do have very little compulsion to forthrightly address this issue either, because the potential downside of any real discussion and resolution could be pretty bad for them (good apples with bad and all). Right now the easiest thing to do is to plop the "race" card down and scream "NAZI RACIST", and watch us all run for cover. If one of our leaders were to take these quotes and say it publically that would be the end of their career, so here we wait, and watch. We can't even talk to each other about it without offending. Nothing will be done until provinces start violent secessionist movements. When they have the power to instigate secession they will. When this happens only politicians that use these quotes will keep their jobs, and that will be a very bad time indeed, alea iacta est. If you are reading this and think I’m a right-wing radical for saying that, just look at history, unfortunately for us there isn’t any historical data to support any other conclusion. If someone can find any I'd really love to see it.
at September 14, 2008 11:55 AM
ethoman,
You sound more defeatist than right-wing. I have the same problem with Britain that I do with the US and with Spain and with most Western countries. We see what is going on but we refuse to let go of our partisan ties. We will elect the same people over and OVER and OVER again. Why aren't we willing to back someone who will fight for US and for OUR right to be free? Why are we afraid of offending? Those who want to kill us aren't afraid of offending us. Why are we electing people who want to stifle our freedom of speech under the guise of "hate crimes"? We are not on Vulcan. People's feelings and emotions cannot be outlawed.
"Right now the easiest thing to do is to plop the "race" card down and scream "NAZI RACIST", and watch us all run for cover."
But why run for cover? Don't you have confidence in your own views? Why not challenge those who call you such names? If a politician runs for cover he should be thrown out in the next election. Why aren't more people in Parliament going to lose their jobs? Is it because the people in Britain are like most Americans - they want members with seniority and power who can divert more funds to the folks back home? That's one reason why the US is such a mess. We deserve the government we have.
"Nothing will be done until provinces start violent secessionist movements."
But this means that there are people who are looking for something to be done. Why must it wait for secessionist movements? Why wait for violence to erupt? It's the problem with living in a democracy. We have to look in the mirror and tell the person looking back at us to get a move on. We have the government we deserve.
Does Parliament modify its district lines the same way the US Congress does the electoral districts - to ensure dominance in as many places as possible? Obviously Parliamentary majorities can change but how "safe" are individual districts, as a rule?
Posted by: PMK at September 14, 2008 2:49 PM
PMK
I am not silent about this in any way, and I inform all that will listen on this subject, and have for years. I have also been called a racist and an extremist for years and years. It takes a truly open minded liberal, there are some out there actually, to hear you after they have convicted you of such crimes. You have to be very knowledgeable on scripture, history, current events etc. (thanks Robert and all here for filling in the blanks … and still learning!). The conversation can actually take months if not years to play out, as it has in my case on many occasions. Most people are satisfied that Bush started it all, this is a very prevalent point of view not only here but all over the world, a bumper sticker explanation is great, because it reaffirms your view of the world in short simple comforting terms. It takes a person of real backbone and courage to stand up and say, “No I will not be silenced with baseless accusations.”, and it takes a very knowledgeable person to prevail in an argument once so accused. This is why politicians can not use this language yet, because the conversation takes a long time to sink in. You have to unlearn just about everything you think you know about history, from the Crusades on up, you have to learn a lot of scripture, which most Americans think is nonsense. You basically have to totally reorganize your freakin’ head to wrap your brain around this. The sort of stuff that fits onto a bumper sticker, or sound bite will never change minds. The only thing that will change minds on a large scale will be bombs, carnage, and more bombs, and carnage. I have warned my daughter that if she opens her mouth she will be judged as a racist, and a right wing extremist (the good part of that is at least it is very predictable where the debate will start … disadvantages can always be turned upside down by good strategy.) This is why she must be armed, and ready, so the day she does she will not be crushed by the ignoramuses who would wield such things in debate for an easy score. In closing I would say yeah I’m a defeatist, guilty as charged, but nor am I one that will give up either.
at September 14, 2008 4:51 PM
ethoman!
Whether you agree with or disagree with Bush, there is something you need to know!
The chant: "Everyone hates Bush!" and its attendant proliferation, was started by the MUSLIMS!
A Muslim acquaintance went to South Africa to participate in the million man march against going into Iraq. Then he went to London to repeat it. When he came home he told me, "EVERYONE HATES BUSH!" I never heard that malicious phrase before but suddenly it was the headline in every paper and on everyone's lips.
Did Muslims spread that ugly lie around the world? You can bet on it!!
Posted by: angryamerican at September 14, 2008 8:48 PM
Gymnast_2, I realize your "reading list" is getting really long, but here are two excellent books if you would like to learn more about what is going on with radical Islam in Britain--the first is Melanie Philips' "Londonistan", the other Mark Steyn's "America Alone". Even though it is such a grim topic, Steyn is actually a writer with a great sense of humor.
There is no doubt that Britain is a terrible mess, but don't count them out yet. My mother and aunt were in the service in Britain in WWII when they just a few years older than you are now. My mother was a teletype operator (ask your dad) and went through the London Blitz, and my aunt drove a military supply truck between London and the English channel in black-out conditions.
They didn't roll over to Nazi fascism, even though early in the war it seemed pretty hopeless. Maybe they will wake up and take on the threat of Islam.
Posted by: gravenimage at September 14, 2008 11:17 PM
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