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And they offer this warning right around 9/11. Now that's class. More on this story. "Radical Muslims warn of another 9/11," by Duncan Gardham for the Telegraph, September 13 (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
Muslim extremists have held a meeting at the heart of the area where the liquid bombers lived in which they warned of a British September 11.One speaker at the meeting, held on the anniversary of the attacks in America, told the assembled crowd that the West should "listen to the warnings."
The meeting, in front of a 100-strong crowd at a community centre on the Lea Bridge Road in Walthamstow, east London, was also addressed by the exiled preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed via video link from the Lebanon.
His appearance was greeted by cheers of "faith" and "god is great" as he claimed to have foiled a bomb plot against him by agents of the British Government, although much of his speech was inaudible due to technical difficulties.
Walthamstow was home to two of the three members of a gang found guilty of conspiracy to murder. They face a retrial over allegations they were targeting trans-Atlantic flights.
Among the speakers were a number of former members of the banned group al-Muhajiroun, once led by Bakri from his council home in Edmonton, North London.
The most incendiary speech was delivered by Saiful Islam, from Luton, Bedfordshire, who praised Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda for their "courage" in retaliating against the "dictatorship and oppression" of the West.
He said: "The blame of 9/11 belongs to no one but the American government. They are the terrorists. Sheikh Osama warned America numerous times, it was because of their own arrogance, because they thought they are a superpower and nobody could match them, that Sheikh Osama taught them a lesson – a lesson they still haven't learned."
Mr Islam warned that unless British and American troops were withdrawn from "Muslim lands" they would be to blame for the consequences, saying the West would "never achieve security until our own lands achieve security".
"Wake up. Withdraw. Listen to the warnings. Muslims will stand side to side, not just al Qaeda. The actions of the British and Americans have given prominence to al Qaeda. All of us have a part to play in stopping the violence or the next 9/11 will take place in Britain, the next 7/7 could take place locally," he added...
Posted by Raymond at September 14, 2008 10:31 AM
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How about withdrawing Muslims from non-Muslim lands? That would make a lot more sense.
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at September 14, 2008 10:55 AM
Raymond, sorry to be a pedant, but this story already appears on JW (albeit the Daily Mail version), posted yesterday by Marisol, under the heading:
"Jihadist preacher Anjem Choudary: "We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law" in Britain".
Posted by: Matamoros at September 14, 2008 10:59 AM
my first impression would be why the hell have these muslims in the WEst! send them back, take down their mosques, aka islamists war rooms!
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 14, 2008 11:04 AM
Britain is today in the vise-grip of islam.
The grip is not likely to loosen, the only give is from the British.
islam gets what islam demands.
There is an article in today's Sunday Times announcing the arrival of Sharia Law courts in Britain. There is no protest, no howling, no letters to the editor or the local MP or the Church.
No,islam is firming its foundation and not even a murmur from the British.
Still, the Nu Labour, the chattering classes and the Guardinstas are happy!
Posted by: Hermit at September 14, 2008 11:22 AM
"islam gets what islam wants" reminds me of an old song by The Jam!
Posted by: Hermit at September 14, 2008 11:25 AM
Why aren't these bastards being deported?
Posted by: Cornelius at September 14, 2008 11:28 AM
pc airheads won't believe the danger there in, till its too late. let's hear for them, hear hear!
Posted by: theygottago at September 14, 2008 11:29 AM
He laughed that Muslim families in places like Whitechapel and Bethnal Green in east London were having "10 or 12 children each"
And that is the problem.
As I posted earlier, how do we get to a stage that hard policy options become acceptable? As the radical Imams state, further 9/11s in America or Britain, possibly by Western Muslims, are likely to happen. Hopefully, this will lead to hard policy options. It is a necessary evil but far better then the ultimate catastrophe of a vanished West.
How do we get to the stage, asap, when hard policy options become acceptable? Well, provocation on the one hand, and dhimmi like appeasement on the other, is one way. Britain and America seem to be doing just this. Both have been heavily involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, not just in occupation but trying to change the nature of these Muslim societies. Such occupations of Islamic countries is waving the red flag to Muslims, as here
Mr Islam warned that unless British and American troops were withdrawn from "Muslim lands" they would be to blame for the consequences, saying the West would "never achieve security until our own lands achieve security".
This is the "provocation" side of our policy. The other aspect of the policy, "appeasement", is to appear weak at home, by allowing in Muslims, treating them and their customs with respect, and behaving in a craven dhimmi manner. Provocation by invading Muslim countries, incites Muslims, while appeasement at home gives them encouragement that they can get away with more 9/11s.
If further 9/11s occur as a consequence, then I'm certain there will be a dramatic change in the political environment. The sitting government will fall, bringing in a government with a hard policy. The very appeasements that the previous government had been engaged in, will be used to show, that despite our very best efforts to make Muslims welcome here, they have turned against us.
Appeasement is not always bad. It can be used to show the people that we have gone a mile and more to avoid conflict. Yet due to the intransigent behaviour of the adversary, we have been left with no other possibility to save ourselves. Churchill did the same, after Chamberlain had gone the extra mile.
Posted by: DP111 at September 14, 2008 11:36 AM
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/09/democratic-party-war-room-reacts-to.html
'Democratic Party War-room reacts to Palin'
You've got to see this folks...watch it to the end, it just gets funnier and funnier.
Posted by: Cornelius at September 14, 2008 11:45 AM
Jihadis Discuss Means of Poisoning the Water Supply of Denmark and Great Britain
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2374403
Posted by: skevin at September 14, 2008 11:49 AM
Ironic, isn't it, that on the one hand the islamist tries to point out 9/11 was totally engineered by GWB and the Zionists as a way of generating hatred towards, and an excuse for attacking the poor, downtrodden, peace loving muslims.
Then on the other hand, without even a blush, they threaten more of the same.
They can't even keep their lies straight.
Silly muslims.
Posted by: PorkFatRules at September 14, 2008 11:55 AM
They've BEEN holding up signs outside the Finsbury mosque that say, "UK YOUR 9/11 IS COMING."
They've BEEN doing that. Hello UK - Can you lemmings read??
Posted by: darcy at September 14, 2008 11:58 AM
More on the hate-o-rama at which Bakri spoke here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022681.php
Posted by: MarisolJW at September 14, 2008 12:12 PM
What they said in their speeches shows that they hate America, they say we are arrogant. They try to make it sound like they are the victums when they are the ones who attacked us first for no good reason.
Posted by: gymnast_2 at September 14, 2008 12:16 PM
Do the English,Welsh,Scottish,Northern Irish have any autonomy left. Thats the real question and the real problem as I see it.
People have far too much faith in the political process to come to terms with the fact that any elected figurehead will not be willing to undertake the "dirty work" simple because they fear sharing the same chapters in the history books as Adolf Hitler and Tzar Alexander III.
Do the people of the British Isles still have it in them to take back thier destiny or will they remain neglectingly handicapped by historic tales of human rights attrocities ever fearful of being the bad guys.
Will "Lest we forget" be enshrined as the last known sentance in the decedant English language or will people snap out of the Politically correct hypnotism in time to act.
This struggle, for peace and prosperity has ultimatly caused us the people to pull a hangmans knot tighter and tighter around our throats simply because we agreed some time ago knives were dangerous in the wrong peoples hands and it was in everyones best interest to be disarmed and passive and tollerant people.
Posted by: OLDEngland at September 14, 2008 12:17 PM
This was taken from another post, but does apply here. We can blame the Brits for this no less than we would blame ourselves. The Brits can do nothing; we can do nothing except watch in amazement in the realization that we are only several short decades away from the same situation. One of the biggest problems, in my opinion, is the fact that you can't even quote what these Islam Nazi’s are saying without looking like a right-wing nut case in most circles. In addition moderate Muslims really do have very little compulsion to forthrightly address this issue either, because the potential downside of any real discussion and resolution could be pretty bad for them (good apples with bad and all). Right now the easiest thing to do is to plop the "race" card down and scream "NAZI RACIST", and watch us all run for cover. If one of our leaders were to take these quotes and say it publically that would be the end of their career, so here we wait, and watch. We can't even talk to each other about it without offending. Nothing will be done until provinces start violent secessionist movements. When they have the power to instigate secession they will. When this happens only politicians that use these quotes will keep their jobs, and that will be a very bad time indeed, alea iacta est. If you are reading this and think I’m a right-wing radical for saying that, just look at history, unfortunately for us there isn’t any historical data to support any other conclusion. If someone can find any I'd really love to see it. From posts like OLDEngland, and many others most of us are on the same page. There simply aren't any moves on this chess board that we can take at this time, all of our pieces are tied up as they say.
at September 14, 2008 12:24 PM
In our systm of Government, the power lies with but a few public departments and their heads (head of the Executive branch, who is not only the President but also the commander-in-chief), head of the State Department. etc....
Once these 'heads' are accused of and intimidated into submitting to Islam like:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
and...
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2008/sept/109216.htm
.. given our nature of government, the whole nation is pretty much subduded. In addition, Americans are at war among themselves (Deomocrats v/s Republicans), which makes it easy to weaken the nation. Also, behind the cloak of a "Religion", Islam enjoys untold protection and freedom, in Dar-al-Harb. Only when other facets of Islam , namely the propaganda wing (Taquiyya, Kitman and Da'wa'), the armed wing (Al-Jihad), does the danger takes shape. Most Americans are not even aware of some of the dangerous facets. Those who are, still do not add up all the facets into a big picture, while key politicians are already subjected to Dhimmitude.
Add to that the open-invitation to Ummah into Dar-al-Harb, through immigration, and the writing is pretty much ont he wall. While few in the west can see it, Jihadists see this 'big picture', loud and clear.
Finally, those politicians and heads of departments who have submitted:
http://www.blessedcause.org/proof/Clinton%20Embracing%20Islam%20selling%20out%20children.htm
... and
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/shroder/040626
are hardly questioned, much less resisted.
Now, just 7 years after 9/11, Americans are facing a real possibility of an Islamic President (Only Tom Tancredo, R-CO, had his pulse on this writing on the wall, but he was discarded as a 'one-trick-pony)
You see, our system of governmen has it's strengths, but also weaknesses, which rest assured, Islam will exploit to the hilt.
at September 14, 2008 12:30 PM
How about withdrawing Muslims from non-Muslim lands? That would make a lot more sense.
Posted by: jewdog
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HELLO! That would indeed make a whole lot more sense.
These bastards are more than presumptuous.
Noone wants them and yet they are everywhere.
Let's get rid of any leftist-oriented government.
PS. This scumbucket also threatened Paul McCartney for planning to perform in Israel for the 60th anniversary.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at September 14, 2008 12:33 PM
"– a lesson they still haven't learned."
yep. we are not going to bow down to you.
Posted by: Ruebacca at September 14, 2008 12:36 PM
Here's the link:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1221142464894
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at September 14, 2008 12:36 PM
Cornelius...Thanks for that link, it was funny...
Posted by: duh_swami at September 14, 2008 12:49 PM
Is there not anywhere, where Muslims are being stopped? If not, the people will be the last force for Muslims to deal with. They know this of course, so they are focusing their efforts on the political concentrations of power. Once they have these political forces subdued, then they have real power against the people.
As long as we elect dunces and lawyers to represent us, we will get a very bad deal with Muslims and possibly more 9/11's. We need real people with COMMON SENSE in Washington. Someone that is willing to actually represent US.
If I took a phone book and picked names at random to replace the Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court, I believe we would have better government than we have now.
Posted by: Spot on at September 14, 2008 1:00 PM
Another "destroy yourself or we will destroy you" threat, as I see it. Homicidal Clowns.
Posted by: PraiaFlamego at September 14, 2008 1:22 PM
If another 9/11 ever occurs on American soil again, EXPECT the next time the Americans will say "enough" and a truly angry, possible violent backlash will take place against anything Muslim, period.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 14, 2008 1:43 PM
The headline is part of the problem. It's akin to saying "Christians occupy Iraq" or "Christians ban veil in the Netherlands". This headline should really be "Terrorists warn of another 9/11" to separate these nuts from everyday Muslims.
at September 14, 2008 1:58 PM
'Muslim lands'. I think not. They are all occupied lands..by Muslims. The only land that could perhaps call itself Muslim is Saudi Arabia...where the occupiers came from. So Western forces in these countries are there to liberate them from the Islamic invaders.
Posted by: johndoe at September 14, 2008 1:59 PM
Mr Islam warned that unless British and American troops were withdrawn from "Muslim lands" they would be to blame for the consequences, saying the West would "never achieve security until our own lands achieve security".
Arjun08,
Where are the MUSLIMS in MUSLIM LANDS who are saying that THIS MAN DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THEM?
They are SILENT!
Dissemble all you want.
Posted by: PMK at September 14, 2008 2:22 PM
"...because they thought they are a superpower and nobody could match them, that Sheikh Osama taught them a lesson – a lesson they still haven't learned."
Wait a minute!
How can a lesson be taught if it wasn't learned???
Oh, I forgot. This statement came from someone who'd also be comfortable with saying: "I will kill you a thousand times!!!"
at September 14, 2008 2:29 PM
Cornelius: Thanks for that link. It was four minutes of pure fun.
Posted by: Wellington at September 14, 2008 3:09 PM
It is time to be as nasty to them as they are to us.
Like in Yougoslavia before Clinton bombed Serbia.
We all know by now how the Serbs - who were on the American side in WWII by the way - have suffered under the moslems.
For centuries!
I don't think we can yet understand the rage that unleashed itself when they saw the chance to repay their oppressors in kind.
We in the West are so divided that we actually helped the camp of islam against Serbia.
The insanity of it all..
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at September 14, 2008 3:11 PM
possible violent backlash will take place against anything Muslim, period.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 14, 2008 1:43 PM
Ain't gonna happen. You see, the law-enforcement, under orders from politicians, will take harsh action against anyone who is 'racist' or 'discriminates' against 'minority'. Infact, law-enforcement will be out there to protect the 'minority' against any perceived back-lash and Islamophobia.
Point is, CAIR and Islamists have made sure politicians are firmly within their grip / command. When Muslims are hostile, law-enforcement is out to 'prevent backlash'. When muslims are spoken to, it is 'Islamophobia'. When muslims get in your way, they are just 'religious'.
You see, your politicians will pander to anyone who complains, specially a 'minority'. Sorry to say, muslims are a minority, your law-enforcement will protect them, no matter what they do. When muslims are the majority, your law-enforcement will be attacked.
Bottom line, you just can't win.
at September 14, 2008 3:12 PM
We should be listening very carefully to the accounts of Serbs, Armenians and East Indian peoples when it comes to islam.
Their accounts should be studies and preserved just like the accounts of the Holocaust.
We must teach and always remember what the moslems have wrought in this world.
Never forget.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at September 14, 2008 3:14 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749196.ece
Posted by: sanman at September 14, 2008 3:27 PM
hat Sheikh Osama taught them a lesson – a lesson they still haven't learned."
um whos hidding in a cave in the mt of afganistan o ya its sh-t osama
Mr Islam warned that unless British and American troops were withdrawn from "Muslim lands" they would be to blame for the consequences, saying the West would "never achieve security until our own lands achieve security".
i m o dont muslims consider any lands were they live to be muslim lands ?even when they are the minority
at September 14, 2008 3:29 PM
"The blame of 9/11 belongs to no one but the American government. They are the terrorists."
"Wake up. Withdraw."
These are two major talking points of the far left in the U.S. In fact, the "Bush is a terrorist" statement is a popular bumper sticker here in San Francisco. The ignorance that people display is astounding.
It must be noted that far left ideology dominates the Democratic Party, so it's not surprising that Islamic countries support Obama.
The U.S. isn't fully committed to the war on terror at this time. Americans aren't at war, they're at the mall.
Bigcatgirl13106's comment:
"If another 9/11 ever occurs on American soil again, EXPECT the next time the Americans will say "enough" and a truly angry, possible violent backlash will take place against anything Muslim, period."
That is exactly what would happen, and should be taken as a warning to those that seek another mass murder event.
Posted by: Warty at September 14, 2008 3:30 PM
UK: Muslims warn of another 9/11
And why not? The first one worked wonders for Islam.
Rather than being extradited on a rail, the Jihadis have been hired as "security consultants", had more face time on TV than ever before in history, and become part of White House and Downing Street annual festivities... 9/11 worked like gangbusters to foist more Islam in the West.
Posted by: jsla at September 14, 2008 4:12 PM
The way its looking in the U.S., should another 9/11 attack happen, law enforcement and the military's main task will be to protect Muslims against reprisals by pissed off Americans.
Forget about the FBI or local cops trying to find the Muslim mass murderers and their tactical support people.
You can bet that every muslim barrack(mosque) will have around the clock police security.
However if this does occur, the police and the gov't will no longer get any support from the people. Washington will have effectively de-legitimized itself.
You'd also have serious problems with the military and police as well. Remember these groups are not full of college educated liberals and progressives that are the main supporters of Muslim terrorism here in the west.
They are full of working class people who don't like the SOB's one bit.
Posted by: waltc at September 14, 2008 4:34 PM
Pork fat rules posted: Ironic, isn't it, that on the one hand the islamist tries to point out 9/11 was totally engineered by GWB and the Zionists as a way of generating hatred towards, and an excuse for attacking the poor, downtrodden, peace loving muslims.Then on the other hand, without even a blush, they threaten more of the same.
Maybe they mean, that if we dont stop intervening in Islamic countries, GWB and the Zionists will engineer another 9/11 - or something like that.
Posted by: DP111 at September 14, 2008 5:00 PM
Arjun08,
Where are the MUSLIMS in MUSLIM LANDS who are saying that THIS MAN DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THEM?
They are SILENT!
Dissemble all you want.
Posted by: PMK at September 14, 2008 2:22 PM
Really. And just who are "everyday Muslims?" EVERY person whose "Holy" Book is the Koran is a Terrorist. The Koran says so. "Kill the Infidels" and "Slay the Unbelievers" says allah.
I rest my case.
Posted by: darcy at September 14, 2008 5:10 PM
UK: Muslims warn of another 9/11
And why not? The first one worked wonders for Islam.
Rather than being extradited on a rail, the Jihadis have been hired as "security consultants", had more face time on TV than ever before in history, and become part of White House and Downing Street annual festivities... 9/11 worked like gangbusters to foist more Islam in the West.
Posted by: jsla at September 14, 2008 4:12 PM
The irony is outstanding. Outstanding.
Posted by: darcy at September 14, 2008 5:11 PM
REAL tactful, aren't they?
Posted by: LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons at September 14, 2008 5:13 PM
REAL tactful, aren't they?
Posted by: LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons at September 14, 2008 5:13 PM
REAL tactful, aren't they?
Posted by: LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons at September 14, 2008 5:14 PM
Sorry for the multiple comments, my computer's American made, it's PO'd at this too
Posted by: LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons at September 14, 2008 5:16 PM
You'd also have serious problems with the military and police as well. Remember these groups are not full of college educated liberals and progressives that are the main supporters of Muslim terrorism here in the west.
They are full of working class people who don't like the SOB's one bit.
Posted by: waltc at September 14, 2008 4:34 PM
Unfortunately the police and the military are obligated and avowed to follow lawfully given orders via the chain of command.
In otherwords, if your superior gives you a lawful order to protect a mosque -- you will have violated your lawfully given orders if you disobey a direct command.
Is this not correct?
If it is correct, the police and the military will have no choice.
Whoever controls the military and the police ultimately control the situation.
Posted by: witness at September 14, 2008 5:49 PM
waltc,
The point is that the next time, try as the police and military will, they will not be able to protect the Muslim minority against an angry mob. With all the CAIR directed PC-garbarge of diversity training that law enforcement is going through they have become stretch thin. Plus many Americans have guns so that if any more 9/11's take place it will become a possible powder keg. You can take that to the bank.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 14, 2008 5:49 PM
The call sign of the Muslims. Yes they just love killing. Lots of blood on their hands. Hate permeates their being and their religion Islam. They have to keep killing to satisfy their blood god allah. Violence, hate and threats is the way of Islam. I am glad that the world is noticing these Islamic thugs and the silent Mohammedans who follow them. Put the responsibility where it lies on the heads of all Mohammedans. They are practicing their faith Islam. Islam calls for murdering women, children and men as long as they are non Muslims. They praise a murder, pedophile and rapist called Mohammad. I feel sick just to think about that. Just a bunch of cowards.
Posted by: savsiv at September 14, 2008 5:49 PM
Prosecution: How do you plead?
Defense: Not Guilty, sir.
P: Not guilty? You shot four innocent people.
D: The four people broke into my home screaming “Allah,” sir.
P: They were just proselytizing; it’s their way.
D: They were brandishing weapons, sir.
P: They are uncomfortable in your neighborhood and tend to stick together.
D: Sir, they killed my dog, attempted to rape my daughter and cursed my religion.
P: Surely you must be a racist bigot?
D: I told them to leave my home or face consequences, sir.
P: But they were disadvantaged, you were callous.
D: They grabbed my bible and copy of the Constitution and threw them into the fire.
P: It is understandable, they were offended.
D: They shouted that I must submit to Allah or die, sir.
P: Could you not accommodate them?
D: Sir, I felt threatened. I refuse to submit or make accommodation, sir, to an ideology of death that has invaded my home.
Will the prosecution win or will we be allowed our right of self-defense?
There will be a tipping point, and we will defend ourselves. The question is, will it be with coordinated legislative and court action or a ground swell of civil unrest manifest in many ways across the country?
Posted by: Civilus Defendus at September 14, 2008 5:53 PM
"Maybe they mean, that if we don’t stop intervening in Islamic countries, GWB and the Zionists will engineer another 9/11 - or something like that." I am not saying DP111 agrees or disagrees with that statement, or is simply stating it as fact.
Basically, this sort of viewpoint is saying, "I hated Bush before he attacked Iraq. All was going well in the world, the Ummah, and the west was going to sing Ebony and Ivory together with Paul in Israel and all was going well." Doesn't that just sort of make you feel a little dirty though? Somewhere deep down? If it wasn't Iraq certainly wouldn't it have only been a matter of time before the Ummah came up with different reason? I have actually had Europeans blame the Mohammed cartoon artists for the row over the cartoons, because the artists didn't appreciate that Muslims feel like that is Blasphemy, or that Van Gogh had it coming, because he upset the poor little Muslims. Doesn't all of that at even face value show how myopic blaming the current state of affairs on Bush is? Muslims are acting out exactly what their scripture demands of them. Depending upon the relative power that the Ummah feels that it wields there are many scriptures to fit whatever tone Muslims need to use to fit their current situation. If they are feeling strong enough to force their will they will force their will to implement the Sharia, and use scripture to back them up. If they are weak there are scriptures to support a non-violent coexistence, so they wait until such time that they are militarily capable of imposing Sharia, meanwhile using Da’wa. Simply put, Islam feels it is ascendant, so Muslims will increasingly use the verses of the sword, and the like, to solve their problems and that is bad news for us.
Irrespective of anything Bush does or doesn't do, or did or didn’t do, the violence will continue to get worse, as our relative strengths continue towards parody. Sad thing is, they even tell us, and we don’t listen, we just call them “radicals” that misinterpret the Quran. Such is the existence of the Kufar since Mo started talking to his demons.
at September 14, 2008 6:03 PM
Did anyone see this recent Obit in the NYT?
Imam Mohammed, son of Nation of Islam leader, Elijah Mohammed, died:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/10mohammed.html?ref=obituaries
at September 14, 2008 6:07 PM
They blame those whom they assault. They blame the victims and then play the victim card for themselves.
They believe themselves deeply offended when we kafir refuse to grovel to Islam (i.e. to their lordly selves), when we prefer our own laws and customs and our own beliefs or non-belief, to Mohammed's craziness.
So: our refusal to become Muslims, our intransigent insistence on attending church or synagogue or temple and praying to our own divinity or divinities (or to none), our refusal to submit, and grovel, and flatter sufficiently (not all of us are converted or dhimmis, not yet, not by a long chalk), means that we are 'at war' with them...so of course they have to 'defend' themselves...it's all our fault, not theirs.
Here's something that explains the evil and twisted jihad mindset very clearly.
"At its core, Islam is a religious mission to all humanity. Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world.
"We have sent you forth to all mankind" (Q. 34:28).
' If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (da'wa) can be pursued peacefully.
'If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. In Islam, peace requires that non-Muslims submit to the call of Islam, either by converting or by accepting the status of a religious minority (dhimmi) and paying the imposed poll tax, jizya.
'World peace, the final stage of the da'wa, is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam...
'Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Qur'anic command to spread Islam as a way to peace.
'The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims.
'Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad.
'Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists.
'Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da'wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it.
'In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.
'Only when Muslim power is weak is "temporary truce" (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists differ on the definition of "temporary").”
- Tibi, Bassam. (1996). War and Peace in Islam, in Terry Nardin (ed.) The Ethics of War and Peace: Religious and Secular Perspectives. (pp. 129-131). Princeton, N.J: Princeton University Press].
Much thanks to two jihadwatchers - Khaybar Oasis and 'Nick Danger' who on different occasions cited and drew attention to this very useful disquisition from Bassam Tibi.
Note that piquant detail that any use of force by non-Muslims to resist Islam is regarded as utterly illegitimate - as 'war' - whereas the use of force by Muslims against non-Muslims is not 'war' or 'terrorism', it is merely 'opening', it is seen as perfectly legit. These guys have been practising newspeak for over a thousand years.
It's revolting.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 14, 2008 6:10 PM
Whoever controls the military and the police ultimately control the situation.
Posted by: witness at September 14, 2008 5:49 PM
That would be this POTUS: http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html
Posted by: Alert at September 14, 2008 6:14 PM
so, what happens when we get our first "no go" zone in the U.S.? when muslims tell our citizens we will be killed if we enter there. That we, as citizens of these united states, owners of that land are forbidden to walk thereopon. i can't wait to see whats going to happen and how fast that zone grows.
Posted by: oppressiondetester at September 14, 2008 6:19 PM
Let the "no go" zone be for non-Muslims, where we can say that the practitioners of the Islamic ideology are not welcome. Then expand the zone.
Islam is starts with child abuse, so the first zone can be to exclude Muslims from schools to protect children. Courts, law enforcement, business. We can find specific reasons to exclude them (lack of religious tolerance, lack of free speech, lack of equality, etc).
at September 14, 2008 6:33 PM
Maybe someone should warn Muslims of "another Hiroshima".
Posted by: venividivici at September 14, 2008 6:43 PM
I'd have to disagree with bigcatgirl's view:
"the next time, try as the police and military will, they will not be able to protect the Muslim minority against an angry mob."
American authorities, police and national guard, only protect minorities from angry mobs, they rarely protect whites from angry mobs of non-whites. Muslims are a "minority" so they will be protected.
"many Americans have guns so that if any more 9/11's take place it will become a possible powder keg. You can take that to the bank."
It all depends on the numbers, and from what I can tell, the number of Americans who would backlash in this way is not big enough to be able to withstand police forces and national guard. A few small groups here and there may be able to do a few things, but hardly enough to make an overall difference. Most Americans are either on the fence (so they wouldn't join the backlash) or are politically correct and would be against the backlash and think it's "racist".
Posted by: DenverRodeo at September 14, 2008 6:47 PM
From the blogger Lionheart UK:
Islam in Britains 9/11 Hate Campaign
Glen Jenvey passed the information through to me relating to the front group of Al Qaeda in Britain's 9/11 hate campaign tomorrow.
Where as 9/11 and 7/7 are a time of sorrow and commiseration for many of us living in the West, for Moslems it is a time of joy and a time to gloat over the worst atrocities to have ever hit our shores that killed and wounded many innocent people from amongst us.
They are going to be praising and glorifying in the acts of the 19 highjackers on 9/11 and the 4 bombers on the morning of 7/7.
Terrorism Act 2006
Encouragement of terrorism (section 1): Prohibits the publishing of "a statement that is likely to be understood by some or all of the members of the public to whom it is published as a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to them to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences." Indirect encouragement statements include every statement which glorifies the commission or preparation (whether in the past, in the future or generally) of such acts or offences; and is a statement from which those members of the public could reasonably be expected to infer that what is being glorified is being glorified as conduct that should be emulated by them in existing circumstances."[2]. The maximum penalty is seven years' imprisonment.
That is a part of British law that makes this event illegal in Great Britain, and to view past events like this to see the encouragement for others to commit such acts and the glorification of such acts then click on this video: Anjem Choudry
The British anti-terror police have no resources to monitor these types of offences being committed on British soil because they are chasing active Islamic terrorists around, and these Islamic leaders know this, but as the Law states, these acts are criminal acts so should be prevented from going ahead by the Metropolitan police force whose jurisdiction it is to up hold law and order in the Capital.
If this event takes place then those in attendance are going to be inspired by the speakers words to believe that these types of murderous atrocities committed against us are justified in their Holy War to destroy our Nations so that their Islamic Religion can take its place as law of our land.
It is the responsibility of the police force to uphold law and order and protect the innocent public who pay their taxes from just such law breaking that instigates, encourages and glorifies in Islamic terror and murder that is aimed at us.
This event is nothing more than a time of inspiring, encouraging, and a time of glorifying in Islamic terrorist acts to inspire the Moslem audience present.
The British Government has a responsibility to the people of Britain to stop this event from going ahead, or if they do allow it to go ahead then those present should be arrested after the event based on their words, and if they leave the glorification to Omar Bakri who is going to be beamed in via video link then they should be arrested and charged for conspiracy.
Is it not about time those in power acted on our behalf to stop this hatred in our midst that is aimed at us?
Are those continually involved in this type of hatred towards the West not guilty of treason?
How many minds will be poisoned with their views, is it not better to stop the poisoning from entering the brain because all it takes is one from amongst the audience to be inspired and then end up going on to commit suicide and kill himself and many other innocent people in the name of his religion like on the morning of 7/7.
How do you think Americans feel that we would allow such events to take place in our Country on the remembrance day of the worst terrorist attack to have ever hit their Country?
IT IS AN ABOMINATION!!!
Allowing Moslems living in Britain to glorify in the events of 9/11, and the people of Britain say nothing and do nothing.
What hope is there when we allow this madness to continue?
"Evil prevails when good men do nothing"
Where does the buck stop to have this event stopped from going ahead on the basis of breaking English law?
You only have to look at the flyer and the speakers listed to see the motivation behind the event.
http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 14, 2008 7:06 PM
Isn't that treason??? Can't they arrest this guy for "hate speech"?? I am incredulous.
Posted by: gymgal at September 14, 2008 7:44 PM
Americans...Brit's...everyone in the entire world needs to wake the hell up!
Watch https://watchobsession.org/
Posted by: Catherine Martin at September 14, 2008 8:24 PM
Americans...Brit's...everyone in the entire world needs to wake the hell up!
Watch https://watchobsession.org/
Posted by: Catherine Martin at September 14, 2008 8:25 PM
Pakistani Air Force Jets Confront US Predator Drones:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17245
at September 14, 2008 9:02 PM
Britain Quietly Caves In, and Allows Sharia Courts in the UK:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008/09/15/story_15-9-2008_pg7_8
LAHORE: Islamic law has been officially adopted in Britain, with shariah courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases, The Sunday Times reported.According to the paper, the British government has ‘quietly sanctioned’ shariah judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to domestic violence.
Rulings issued by a network of five shariah courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, the paper reported.
The report said that shariah courts have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Sheikh Faizul Aqtab Siddiqui, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, was quoted by the paper as saying he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.
Under the act, the shariah courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, if both parties agree to give them authority to rule on their case.
Siddiqui said to the paper, “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts...allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals.”
Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark the beginnings of a ‘parallel legal system’.
Dominic Grieve, the Shadow Home Secretary, said, “If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so.”
at September 14, 2008 9:59 PM
Here we go - from the Times of London:
From The Sunday Times
September 14, 2008
Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts
at September 14, 2008 10:16 PM
Here's more on the rise of Sharia in the UK:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1687576.ece
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/christopher_howse/blog/2008/09/14/criminal_sharia_judgments
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/14/British_Sharia_tribunals_gain_new_powers/UPI-53041221405891/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055764/Islamic-sharia-courts-Britain-legally-binding.html
Posted by: sanman at September 14, 2008 10:33 PM
I love Great Britain and all it stands for, but it's beginning to look like the intrepid Brits used up all their heroics and valor in the last war. Bless 'em. Haven't they suffered enough?
Posted by: angryamerican at September 15, 2008 1:12 AM
Meanwhile there are complaints of 'implied death' threats being made to the London Borough of Tower Hamlets councillor who was supposed to have asked non-Muslim councillors not to eat until sunset at meetings during ramadan.Aparently the real problem was that special iftar food was being laid out for the Muslim councillors and they were finding that it had already been eaten by non-Muslims by the time their religion allowed them to eat. A moderate Muslim over at the Social cohesion bog s citing this as evidence of Islamophobic attitudes. Since it was a non-Muslim councillor who was getting the hate mail I would have thought it was more a case of anti-dhimmitude than Islamophobia.Whatever fascist groups may have been behind some of these e-mails and handwritten letters (many from France) they have hand Muslims a useful way to distract from this weeks antics by Omar Bakri, including death threats against Paul MacCartney.
The latest on the story is at:
at September 15, 2008 1:38 AM
angryamerican:
it's beginning to look like the intrepid Brits used up all their heroics and valor in the last war. Bless 'em. Haven't they suffered enough?
You make the same mistake that many other JW commenters make. We are not all dhimmi ignoramuses. Some of us are actively resisting the Islamification of our lands by joining political parties which oppose it. You won't hear much about this in the press because it's politically incorrect to oppose Islam so those do are given only negative publicity, if they get any publicity at all.
The problem is that no "mainstream" political party would dare to speak out against Islam, which is why the impression is given that nobody seems to care over here. As various commenters have pointed out, if you speak out against Islamification you are immediately tarred and feathered as a racist, fascist, neo-Nazi, etc. which ends the debate.
The reason that those who oppose Islam can be accused of racism is because the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Britain are non-white. It doesn't matter that Islam is not a race-based ideology. In the UK the perception is that it is - for the reason I've just given. Perception trumps reality.
If you look at the faces of Islamic protesters you'll notice that they're all non-white. The only white Muslims are those who have converted due to the large presence and therefore influence of non-white Muslims.
If there were no Muslims of any shade in the UK, how many whites would unilaterally convert to Islam? Not many because there would be nowhere for them to worship and there would be no one to brainwash them in the first place.
I have yet to read of any protests against this Islamist meeting yet the Left's rent-a-mob is quick to spring into action if they find out about a BNP meeting.
Posted by: watling at September 15, 2008 6:42 AM
Reading the comments in the Telegraph in response to this article indicates a lot of frustrated and fed-up Brits will be voting for the party which must not be named.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 15, 2008 7:00 AM
Reading the comments in the Telegraph in response to this article indicates a lot of frustrated and fed-up Brits will be voting for the party which must not be named.
Oh dear. I named it. I guess Al-Broon's Thought Police will come knocking with their battering ram any time now and it'll be off to the Ministry of Islamic Love for me.
Posted by: watling at September 15, 2008 7:46 AM
Let's have all the Muslims leave the west first, and go back to their own cultures. This INCLUDES those born in the USA (or whatever western country), as obviously this is not the culture they want.
Then, before we leave muslim land, we need to build some type of big wall around it and ignore them, stop all trade, all assistance, all travel, allow no more investment by western investors, etc.
Sure, I know some of these countries have oil that the west uses. But it would not take long for these creeps to buckle if they are totally ignored and their economy brought to a standstill.
Posted by: samhein at September 15, 2008 9:36 AM
Samhein, that is the best proposal re. what to do about islam. Short, concise and to the point.
Brilliant.
I only hope the Brits will vote BNP in droves!
That will bring us one step closer to your suggestions.
I could not agree more. They need food and water. They have oil.
They will have to come begging to us.
We will drop food in exchange for oil.
We do not need any moslems around us at all.
What the hell for?!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at September 15, 2008 4:10 PM
For every 9/11, let there be two 9/12's (1683, of course).
Posted by: Bugs Cawfey at September 15, 2008 8:13 PM
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