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And he wants it outlawed, pronto, which will mean that those who dare to expose the Islamic roots of the global jihad and Islamic supremacism will pay hefty fines and spend long stretches in the slammer. Of course, it can't happen here. Can it?
"Enmity with Islam ‘crime against humanity,’" by Thomas Seibert for The National (UAE), September 17 (thanks to Jack):
ISTANBUL // In a sign of his simmering anger about what he sees as baseless accusations against Islam in the West, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister, has called on the international community to declare the enmity against Islam a “crime against humanity”.Addressing Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, his Spanish counterpart, and about 2,500 other guests in Istanbul at a celebratory iftar meal on Monday, Mr Erdogan said: “No culture, no civilisation should belittle the other, despise the other or see the other as an enemy.” [...]
In the Alliance of Civilisations, Mr Erdogan has emerged as a leading representative of the Islamic countries, said Semih Idiz, a foreign policy columnist with the daily Milliyet. As a politician with roots in political Islam and leader of a party that has many pious Muslims among its voters, Mr Erdogan is very sensitive to what he sees as western prejudices towards Muslims, Mr Idiz said.
“Islamic countries are watching closely what he does,” Mr Idiz said about Mr Erdogan’s role in the Alliance of Civilisations. “He is a sort of spokesman, representing the Islamic world in the platform.”
But at the same time Mr Erdogan had to take into account that he himself had to take “brave steps”, Mr Idiz said. After the murders of the Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink and of three Christians in the central Anatolian town of Malatya last year, the Erdogan government was criticised for not being outspoken enough in its condemnation of the killings.
In his speech at the iftar on Monday, Mr Erdogan stressed the need for a dialogue without prejudices.
“The principle mission of the Alliance of Civilisations is an effort to understand each other correctly,” he said. The fear of Islam that has spread in the West, a development he called a “paranoia”, makes it harder to reach that aim, he said.
“The fear called Islamophobia is a pathological state of mind, as the name says,” Mr Erdogan said in his speech, according to reports in Turkish newspapers and television stations. “We expect members of other civilisations to declare Islamophobia a crime against humanity, especially while we say that anti-Semitism is a crime against humanity.”
Mr Erdogan has criticised the West for harbouring “Islamophobia” before, saying that Muslims felt “under siege”. But this time, the prime minister went further, accusing the West of trying to define values of a global civilisation all by itself.
“We think that civilisation is global, and that civilisation cannot be interpreted like an ideology that belongs to the West,” he said. After a first international forum held in Madrid in January this year, the Alliance of Civilisations will hold its second forum in Istanbul in April. Mr Idiz said the platform had become a vehicle to defuse tensions between the West and the Islamic world.
“We saw that after the cartoon crisis,” he said, referring to the anger in the Islamic world after the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed by a Danish newspaper in 2005. At a meeting in Doha in Feb 2006, members of the alliance discussed ways to calm the waters after the crisis....
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>>ISTANBUL // In a sign of his simmering anger about what he sees as baseless accusations against Islam in the West, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister, has called on the international community to declare the enmity against Islam a “crime against humanity”.
How have we let things come to this?
I remember a wonderful pre-9/11 world in which I never thought about Muslims or Islam or Mohamet and they had nothing whatsoever to do with my life.
What the hell happened? Louis Armstrong's classic song isn't true anymore.
Posted by: darcy![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at September 16, 2008 7:52 PM
No criticism of Islam allowed. If done, ipso facto evidence of the abuse of freedom and dispositive of a maladjusted person. This was exactly the same line of reasoning taken by defenders of the Marxist system. No surprise here whatsoever since different totalitarian systems share so much in common, most particularly a fear and loathing of true freedom.
Posted by: Wellington at September 16, 2008 7:59 PM
Life long cult member doing everything possible to protect the cult.
Would a modern character such as Muhammad be tolerated in Western society, let's say the United States?
A modern day Muhammad with an ideology that consists of overthrowing the government, cacheing (sp?) weapons, polygamy, pedophilia, murder, mass murder, assassinations, etc... etc... ?
I just don't know anymore.
Posted by: Aiken Bryce at September 16, 2008 8:04 PM
Then I guess that makes me a criminal.
And if it is a 'pathelogical state of mind' as he states, how do they want to crack down on this crime that is a 'thought in my head'?
Posted by: alaskan1000 at September 16, 2008 8:09 PM
Turkey’s prime minister, has called on the international community to declare the enmity against Islam a “crime against humanity”. (from the article)
Good grief. These people are screwing up the world.
Posted by: Spot on at September 16, 2008 8:11 PM
He says that all the time. Here we have him on a visit to Germany in February this year:
Erdogan in Germany: “Assimilation is a crime against humanity”
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/11/erdogan-in-germany-assimilation-is-a-crime-against-humanity/
Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu spews the same venom:
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 16, 2008 8:17 PM
Greetings:
Sounds like he's starting a campaign to become the Islamic "core state" (as in Samuel Huntington's "The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order"). He may be thinking that EU membership (less Islam) isn't going to happen and so he's going to
Plan B (more Islam).
at September 16, 2008 8:27 PM
A crime against humanity? Whose humanity? Certainly not mine.
Baseless accusations is it? never mind the overwhelming preponderance of evidence that is provided 24 hours,7 days a week to us when it comes to antisemitism and the continuous jihad against non Muslims all over the world.
Even the O J Simpson Jury wouldn't be able ignore the evidence if they slept through most of the trial.
Unfortunately Urdogan is preaching to his choir and the dhimmi world of people like Sally Lopez of Lemoyne, Pennsylvania. God help us if there are still way to many Sally Lopezes' out there.
The teachings of Islam is a crime against humanity.
Posted by: Mackie at September 16, 2008 8:27 PM
Is the movie "Fitna" by Geert Wilders Baseless?
Is the movie "Obsession" baseless?
Are the Books written by Robert Spencer,Ibn Warraq,Serge Trikovic,Ayaan Hirsi,Bat Yeor,and a host of writters baseless?
Are the articles on this website baseless? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Is this movie's content baseless Mr.Erdogan? http://www.usawakeup.org/
Posted by: Mackie at September 16, 2008 8:49 PM
Mr Erdogan said: “No culture, no civilisation should belittle the other, despise the other or see the other as an enemy.”
It never ceases to amaze me how Muslims can say things like this with a straight face.
Posted by: Bigshaker at September 16, 2008 9:04 PM
Good grief. These people are screwing up the world.
Posted by: Spot on at September 16, 2008 8:11 PM
Oh, they are ruining it.
If not for Charles Martel in 632, and Jan Sobieski in 1683, it would have been ruined a long time ago.
Who will fill their shoes? This latest resurgence of Islam must be stopped.
Posted by: darcy at September 16, 2008 9:05 PM
Mr Erdogan said: “No culture, no civilisation should belittle the other, despise the other or see the other as an enemy.”
Well, that means the Koran and all of Islamic history need a rewrite, because that is their message: anyone who doesn't believe or submit to Islam is an infidel; kill the infidel.
Mr. Erdogan: Practice what you preach!
Posted by: PMK at September 16, 2008 9:06 PM
go ahead, arrest me. jail me. but you can never stop whats going on in my head -- Islamophobia
Posted by: theygottago at September 16, 2008 9:10 PM
“No culture, no civilisation should belittle the other, despise the other or see the other as an enemy.”
Unless, of course you happen to be a muslim killing us kafir...
Posted by: Callidus at September 16, 2008 9:14 PM
"The fear of Islam that has spread in the West, a development he called a “paranoia”, makes it harder to reach that aim, he said."
No...it was called "911" and apparently it was your clarion call to wage war against the West.
People...we are in for another rude awakening. It will be here again...it wil be soon. Then what do you intend to do with or about Islam?
at September 16, 2008 9:22 PM
Darcy, I'm sure you simply mis-typed, but for the record, Martel stopped the Islamic tide in 732.
Posted by: Bigshaker at September 16, 2008 9:41 PM
"Mr Erdogan said: 'No culture, no civilisation should belittle the other, despise the other or see the other as an enemy.'”
-- from the article above
Does Erdogan really want the Western world -- no, make that the larger world of Infidels, East and West, North and South, to look deeply into what is written about non-Muslims in the Qur'an, in the Hadith, or to find out more about the behavior of Muhammad, the man whom Muslims take to be the Perfect Man? Does he want us to read Sura 9, and the hundred-odd other Jihad verses? Does he want non-Muslims to find out about how non-Muslims have fared in the many lands conquered by Islam, beginning with the Middle East, North Africa, and his own region, what was formerly Byzantium? Shall we just stick to the last century, to find out how Armenians, Greeks, Jews fared under the Turkish dispensation?
It is not we, the Infidels, who are schooled up in hatred or hostility. It is, rather, Islam that inculcates in its adherents the belief that the key division of humanity is between Muslims and non-Muslims, Believers and Infidels. This is something Infidels have come to understand only very reluctantly, and only after having been as suicidally generous toward Muslims -- just look at the tens of millions who have been allowed to settle deep within Infidel lands, that is behind what Muslims themselves are taught to regard as enemy lines, the lines of Dar al-Harb -- as they could possibly have been. And indeed, despite every conceivable provocation, including mass murder we Infidels continue to exhibit a remarkable generosity and tolerance, but there is a limit. And the limit is being reached, not only by the obvious practitioners of terrorism, but precisely by Erdogan and others who wish to deny us, in our own advanced civilization, the right to exercise our own freedoms, including the freedom to examine Islam, as a Total Belief-System, and the right to examine the 1350-year historical record of Islamic conquest, from Spain to the East Indies, and the subsequent mistreatment of non-Muslims under Muslim rule. He would have us prevented from finding out more about Islam, from finding out if it represents a threat, a permanent and perhaps mortal threat, as some believe, to the continued existence of our own, non-Muslim, legal and political institutions, to our own free and skeptical inquiry, to our ways of artistic expressin, to our easygoing social arrangements.
All that, if the Erdogans of this world can, even across national borders, bring down the curtain of Muslim censorship, as they have done in the lands where Muslims rule, on Infidels. That must not be allowed to happen. Our continued existence, our ability to withstand campaigns of Da'wa, the deployment of the Money Weapon (for mosques, madrasas, propaganda), and to be suitably alarmed by Muslim demographic conquest, depend on a complete and brisk rejection of this outrageous demand.
There has been nothing like it since the heyway of the Communists, and before them, the Nazis. This demand surpasses the worst fears, and the bleakest forecasts, of the most informed and most aware Infidels, even from just a few years ago.
A fantastic situation.
Posted by: Hugh at September 16, 2008 9:49 PM
I agree with Mackie.
Mr Recep Tayyip Erdogan, you have got it all wrong, Islam is a monumental crime against humanity. Islam was started by a criminal, and has been run by criminals ever since. Islam has only survived because it is criminal. To be killed for leaving Islam is the crime that perpetuates the criminal activity called Islam. Religion of peace?, No. Cult of Death and destruction, Yes. Without a doubt, the worst calamity to ever affect humanity.
Posted by: Dsinc at September 16, 2008 10:03 PM
“We think that civilisation is global, and that civilisation cannot be interpreted like an ideology that belongs to the West”
-- from the article above, quoting Erdogan
What does the word "civilisation" mean to someone like Erdogan? Does it mean unfettered means of expression, or does it mean means of expression approved of by that Perfect Man, Muhammad? Does it mean free and skeptical inquiry, without which science does not exist, or is "science" in Erdogan's view merely techonological tinkering, the kind that Muslim engineers engage in when employed in the West, and that apparently is what Muslims so desire when they think of "Western science" -- not studies of the structure of DNA or of subatomic particles, not a unified field theory nor any advances in molecular biology, but instead, the stuff -- the things -- that Westerners know how to build, including armaments, that Muslim states and peoples would dearly like to have, and assume they can have, without any training, or making any advances themselves, in the underlying science.
This is Prospero dictating to Caliban. A resentful and murderous, as well as self-primitivized, Prospero.
It's absurd.
Posted by: Hugh at September 16, 2008 10:03 PM
Isn't it fascinating...with all of his foresight, Orwell never imagined that Big Brother would eventually ascend upon us in the guise of religion.
Posted by: Cornelius at September 16, 2008 10:12 PM
Erdogan will have a lot kindred spirits in this country. I don't get HBO (why bother?) but it seems Bill Maher's group was at it again.
Janeane Garafolo thinks only Democrats are "decent" and that Republicans should be locked up. Then Salman Rushdie, of all people, chimed in, calling the 9/11 attacks "brilliant".
BRILLIANT?
Osama "bin Laden made a brilliant ... statement," he contended.
To call Rushdie, whose life was threatened by Islamists for years, a dhimmi is being kind.
Salman Rushdie needs his own site: dummywatch.
If only we could kick HIM out of the country! There is a man who deserves never to know another day of peace and security.
Isn't he a British citizen? He should be right at home now in Britain, with the sharia courts operating.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75431
Posted by: PMK at September 16, 2008 10:17 PM
I agree with Erdogan that prejudice against Islam is wrong, but prejudice means forming a negative judgement based on inadequate evidence. I believe that any non-Muslim who examines Islam closely will form a negative judgement about Islam based on the evidence and is therefore not prejudiced.
That means that punishing those who espouse negative views of Islam is prejudiced, because it would be based on an inadequate view of the evidence which resulted in the negative judgement.
In any case, expressing prejudiced views should be permitted by the principles of freedom of speech, which is a good reason to keep Turkey out of the EU.
at September 16, 2008 10:19 PM
Do Muslims dream of electronic gulags?
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at September 16, 2008 10:34 PM
I posted this excerpt from Bat Yeor's "The Dhimmi", pp. 137-38, in another thread, but I will post it again, for it bears directly on the subject that Mr Fitzgerald has just discussed.
The emphases added, were in the original Ben Bella text as cited by Bat Yeor.
Bat Yeor writes:
“A negative attitude was expressed in 1982 by Algeria’s first president, in a lapidary formula:
Ce que nous voulons, nous autres Arabes, c’est *etre*. Or, nous ne pourrons etre que si *l’autre* n’est pas.
What we want, as Arabs, is to *be*. However, we can only be, if *the other* is not’. [Ben Bella, ‘Tous Contre Israel’, PI i.e. International Political Review/ Revue Politique Internationale, 16 (Paris, 1982), p. 108]
"Ben Bella openly approved the assassination of leaders whose policies he disapproves of [art. cit. p. 107] – a common practice under the Mamluks – and then went on to justify, after the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Arab states, a nuclear war to destroy Israel:
‘If there is no other solution, then let there be a nuclear war, and that will be the end of it, once and for all.” [art. cit., p. 108].
"Such a public display of aggressiveness and moral irresponsibility is rooted in a monolithic clear conscience, which has never been affected by any scruples regarding the tragedy of the dhimmis. This attitude stems from an ignorance of history and a total rejection of Oriental non-Arab or non-Muslim peoples, whose history, sufferings, and rights are not even recognised."
(Bat Yeor adds, in a footnote to her remark about 'the tragedy of the dhimmis', that:
"In the 1982 interview, to which frequent reference has been made here, Ben Bella repeats the commonly held opinion of Muslims that Islam, unlike Christendom, is free from any racist prejudice and has always treated its ‘minorities’ well. He conveniently forgot the manner by which nations and communities were reduced to the status of religious minorities in their own countries. Without indulging in broad comparisons, it may be noted that Western countries allow minorities to research and record their own history without hindrance.”)
Let's reflect on Ben Bella's terrifying statement - "What we want, as Arabs, is to *be*. However, we can only be, if *the other* is not’".
He might just as well, or more accurately, have written 'we Arab Muslims', or 'we Muslims'.
Similarly, in this sentence - "Ben Bella openly approved the assassination of leaders whose policies he disapproves of...and then went on to justify, after the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Arab states, a nuclear war to destroy Israel", the phrase 'by Arab states' might just as well be read 'by Arab Muslim states' or 'by Muslim states'.
That first statement of Ben Bella's, which Bat Yeor cites, sums up a perfectly frightful state of mind: it suggests strongly that the Arab/Muslim experiences the bare *existence* of anything and anyone 'other' than himself, undominated by himself, as a mortal threat or unendurable humiliation, to be crushed or preferably destroyed as soon as possible, by any available means up to and including nuclear bombs.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 16, 2008 10:35 PM
When Erdogan speaks of a feeling that Muslims are "under siege", this sounds like progress to me.
Because this "siege" is only a siege of information.
This "siege" is a siege of speech.
And hopefully a "siege" of justice, and a "siege" of freedoms of media and religion et al come to pass across the oppressive Islamic world.
And JihadWatch and DhimmiWatch deserve a lot of credit for this information "siege".
The pen CAN be mightier than the sword.
But not if we let the sword of Muhammad take over.
at September 16, 2008 10:47 PM
Darcy, I'm sure you simply mis-typed, but for the record, Martel stopped the Islamic tide in 732.
Posted by: Bigshaker at September 16, 2008 9:41 PM
Right, 732, not 632. In 632, Mo was only just getting started with his mass-murder cult.
Posted by: darcy at September 16, 2008 11:08 PM
As a Christian daughter,let me just say to allah blah, blah, blah...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: mepeteart at September 16, 2008 11:24 PM
Turkey pulled our authority to cross into Iraq with ground units two days prior to our invasion. They knew that our units (1 full division) would be unable to re-deploy in time to have any impact upon the war for a considerable time.
Turkey is considered to be one of the most 'secular' of all the Islamic governments.
When push comes to shove and the bullets start to fly, Turkey will probably be an enemy.
Islam was designed as a nation-state long before they were being established. Loyalty to Islam overrides all other political entities.
This cannot be resolved except through organized conflict. Violence is necessary, the ONLY option is warfare. Otherwise, they WILL come to you.
Time is NOT on our side. We MUST force the issues, violently when necessary. Afghanistan and Iraq cannot be but a beginning.
at September 16, 2008 11:26 PM
When our messenger becomes your new leader, you will pay for your insults! Your daughters belong to muslim men from the moment of birth!
Embrace Islam or suffer!
Always about sex isn't it?
You know mohammadan, some things are worse than death. For instance, bowing my knee to a false god.
God says not to fear those who kill the body.
at September 16, 2008 11:26 PM
You have to remember the mindset of a believer in the message of Islam: they are confident in their faith that, one day, all of the world will be ruled by Shariah - and are equally confident that it is the will of Allah that Muslims are the instrument by which that rule will come about.
That is incredibly different than the view of even the most fundamentalist Christian, who is confident that one day God will bring an end to history as we know it, followed by judgment and eternity - independent of the efforts of his followers.
So, if you take the Islamic expectation of how history will culminate, mix it in with the gains that are obviously being made by Muslims on the world stage with regard to increasing political and economic power, and it's not much of a stretch for individuals like Erdogan to begin to think that they are at a moment in history when they will realize most, if not all, of the achievement of Islamic rule over the world.
Obviously, trying to convince a person with such a world view that they should engage "the other" as an equal (ESPECIALLY given the Quran injunctions against such equality) - is USELESS.
So, I agree that this site, Robert's work and the work of others like him is critical. But we need to do more than just make negative comments on this site about the nefarious activities and statements made by Muslims.
We need to encourage and facilitate more events like the distribution of the Obsession film. We need to come up with a strategy for ensuring that the stories that Robert and the other administrators of this site so faithfully post are communicated to our coworkers, family members and friends.
We need a plan that will help us to mobilize others to become interested in learning more about the clash of civilizations that is going on - so they can decide which side they want to take. We need to figure out how to put doubt into the minds of our countrymen about the sincerity of the statements of organizations like CAIR. We need a set of subtle questions and pieces of information that we can use to seed into conversations that will prod others to seek out and find the truth.
Does anyone know of any organizations out there that are working on this type of plan or putting together resources that can be used along these lines?
Active Listener
at September 16, 2008 11:27 PM
Phew, there's something rotten in Denmark...er...Turkey, sorry Denmark...
It's the unmistakable smell of limburger, the incense of Islam. That's the real crime against humanity...Islam can't pass the smell test, never has, never will...if we allow them to extinguish our free speech, we have allowed them to rub Islamic limburger in our faces.
No thanks...even the dogs won't eat that stuff...
at September 16, 2008 11:43 PM
"Mr Erdogan said: “No culture, no civilisation should belittle the other, despise the other or see the other as an enemy.” [...]"
Hmm... this is exactly what imams do in mosques every week throughout the Muslim world. What a stinking hypocrite.
If he thinks "Islamophobia" is a crime against humanity, perhaps the first place he'll try to enforce this in the West will be Britain's Sharia courts.
But don't worry everyone, Turkey is "moderate"! It's all good!
Posted by: S Perry at September 16, 2008 11:43 PM
If my thought-dreams could be seen
then, they'd put my head in a guillotine.
Mr Zimmerman.
Posted by: breezy55 at September 17, 2008 12:00 AM
These people are screwing up the world and we need to stop letting them into our countries.
Muslim are now taking it a step further at the UN.
Muslims Going to UN to ban Caricatures of Mohammad
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/09/muslims-going-to-un-to-ban-caricatures.html
Posted by: Exposing Islam at September 17, 2008 12:07 AM
Hey Allah is divine.
Christianity has been around longer the Islam.
Just another ignorant fool.... and why would you want peole in Islam that do not believe in it?
at September 17, 2008 12:12 AM
Let's not feed the trolls...
Posted by: Active Listener at September 17, 2008 12:14 AM
'Crime against humanity' means a crime against Muslims, Islam.
Unbelievers are 'the vilest of creatures, sons of apes and swine'- and not seen as humans. Only Muslims are worthy of being called 'humanity'
That has to be understood.
Ask Anjem Chaudrey. He'll tell you...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 17, 2008 12:15 AM
There are many false gods, like the one you infidels created when you stole from the noble Quran and twisted it into your unholy bible!
Allah is the one true God, Mohammed is his prophet!
If you will not embrace Islam, you will be destroyed! That is the glorious mission of all peace loving muslims everywhere! Convert your enemey or kill him!
Come November, you will know the truth!
Posted by: allah is divine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 16, 2008 11:53
You stupid imbecile (or is this a joke?), the Bible came before the Satanic Qur'an, so islam gets credit for the plagiarism. Christianity preceded your foul religion by centuries and Judaism preceded Christianity by centuries. Islam was conjured up by a mad Arab long after the other two were ancient history. Islam is a Satanic death cult that will be crushed, destroyed, decimated. Believe that!
Islam is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
Posted by: Susanp at September 17, 2008 12:16 AM
I have been endlessly debating the topic of the Islamization of Europe through organizations like the OIC on another blog with Muslims, and a liberal, and I have to say these people are really hard to deal with. Luckily for me my predictions of Sharia law in Europe happened when they did as I now have the element of being able to predict the future on my side, which I have been using to slap them around pretty well with. The liberal is even on my side now, but still very hard to keep on task. For a little comedic entertainment I posted this youtube video as a theatrical representation of our conversation. I am starring as the old guy and the guards are the Muslims and Liberal. It is a kind of funny twist to an old scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdKa9bXVinE
Posted by: ethoman at September 17, 2008 12:17 AM
Regarding the last post I think the Liberal would be the son that sings, and the Muslims would be the Guards.
Posted by: ethoman at September 17, 2008 12:32 AM
A pedant writes:
"This is Prospero dictating to Caliban. A resentful and murderous, as well as self-primitivized, Prospero."
Forgive me if I've misunderstood, Hugh, but shouldn't this be the other way round? After all, Prospero did dictate to Caliban if my memory serves me well and the comparison of Erdogan to a learned magician and the rest of the world to a stupid brute seems a bit odd.
(While on the subject of the bard, duh_swami, of course, omitted the words 'the state of' from his quote: "There's something rotten in the state of Denmark.")
With Erdogan calling for the outlawing of 'Islamophobia', some obscure Muslim labour MP calling for its outlawing in the UK and a co-ordinated move in the UN to ban criticism oF Islam, I suspect that some westerners telling the unvarnished truth about their cult seems to have the believers seriously rattled - and it certainly hasn't been criticism by western governments or the mainstream intellectual establishments.
The systematic way in which Muslims are seeking to silence those who point out the numerous negative aspects of their cult has an air of desperation about it. For all their displays of fanatical certainty, Mohammedans seem to have remarkably little faith n the capacity of their belief system to undergo critical scrutiny.
Posted by: wallyUK at September 17, 2008 12:37 AM
Hypocrites! Islam mocks Christianity and Judaism. According to his definition, Islam is a crime against humanity.
What disturbs me is that I think these Muslims just don't get what they are about. They don't seem to rationally understand how they are hypocrites of the highest order. I can only fall back on how Jesus ran into trouble with the Pharisees who just did not get that while they were trying to be good people, they were in fact being really evil people.
Islam is an ugly religion and one day no human being will follow its wrong teachings. Hopefully that day will come sooner, rather than later.
Posted by: James Martel at September 17, 2008 12:42 AM
All I have to say here on the subject is that when you start tossing people in the pokey for making jokes, and expressing opinions, well let’s just say things will get "restive" to coin a favorite phrase of the left wing media. Based upon recent observations I have made, Britain will have a Nationalist government much sooner than later. The rest of Europe may be soon to follow, then the OIC can shove that poop they shovel where the sun doesn't shine, where it belongs. Unfortunatly, the powers that be aren't leaving people may alternatives.
Posted by: ethoman at September 17, 2008 12:50 AM
Hey, allah is swine I have a video for ya! LONG LIVE SEPPO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_gQmKt8kM
Posted by: ethoman at September 17, 2008 12:53 AM
Does anyone know of any organizations out there that are working on this type of plan or putting together resources that can be used along these lines?
Active Listener
Posted by: Active Listener [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 16, 2008 11:27 PM
There are many such organizations, The American Congress for Truth and United American Committee are two of them. Check out the links on the main page. These organizations do outstanding work and will gladly let you know what you can do to help. They always need money but there are many other ways that individuals can contribute to their efforts. Brigette Gabrielle (American Congress for Truth)is a tireless Cassandra who travels around the country giving lectures, including Capitol Hill. The United American Committee also does great work getting the word out.
Posted by: Susanp at September 17, 2008 1:13 AM
Gee...a made up word which is baseless. But give it to the muslims to give new meaning to words as they follow in Mohounds steps in making shit up as he goes along in his 23 year fantasy.
A "phobia" is an unfounded fear.....hello muslims you are the cause & the fact you now want to limit FREEDOM OF SPEECH, shows it's not unfounded.
The crime against humanity is ISLAM & it's political doctrine to CONTROL everything & everyone.
Maybe the counter of this nonsense is to preach BANNING Islam.
Keep up the great work Robert.
Kk
Posted by: Kauaikit at September 17, 2008 1:32 AM
allah is aswine -
You stated:
"It is your false teaching that will fall! Muslims will prevail over your hate filled hearts! We have brough glorious Islam to the United Kingdom, now we will bring it the the future Islamerica!"
I'm so glad that you mentioned "false teaching", because Islam is a false religion, with a false prophet and a false god at the helm; and just because someone points this fact, does not make them a hater, but a Truther. Oh, and I hope you enjoy your very short stay here on Jihad Watch, because I doubt you will last very long. See ya!
at September 17, 2008 1:44 AM
Infidels know well that we shall be victorious. Your vicious attacks on glorious Islam and muslims
will not be forgotten!
When our messenger becomes your new leader, you will pay for your insults! Your daughters belong to muslim men from the moment of birth!
Embrace Islam or suffer!
Posted by: allah is a liar
I may be late for the party, but not too late to comment on this newbie troll - whoa - she's a wild one for sure! Ride-em cowboy!
OK, for starters, allah is a false god & his false prophet Mohammad is in hell as we speak; and secondly, you yourself are a filthy, false demonic proponent of this false god & his lies, so take your Islamic poopaganda and flush it, turd breath. We don't need, or want, your evil kind around here. So take a hike!
Posted by: champ at September 17, 2008 1:55 AM
"Islamophobia" a "crime against humanity"
Correction:
"Islam, a crime against humanity"
at September 17, 2008 2:12 AM
allah is divine...you seem like a fine upstanding fellow, a good muslim well versed in true Islam.
Can you tell me why so many people seem to misunderstand Islam? Not just kufrs but many muslims also.
What is it about the Quran that is not understandable? Except for those strange words that only Allah knows about, the Quran is ultimately understandable. Allah made it so clear and readable that even children can read it.
Allah made it perfectly clear in his book how he wanted his muslims to behave, how can anyone, muslim or otherwise misunderstand that?
AID said:
"If you will not embrace Islam, you will be destroyed! That is the glorious mission of all peace loving muslims everywhere! Convert your enemey or kill him!"
No how can anyone not understand that? An expression of pure Islam, by a faithful devotee of Allah, and of course Mohammad the 'perfect man'. Allah is happy with you my boy, he told me so himself.
Thanks for clearing things up...Your description of Islam is priceless...
Posted by: duh_swami at September 17, 2008 2:14 AM
"....given your name susan, you are nothing but an inferior woman being, unworty of notice."
Posted by: allah is divine
Is AID being serious here? Hard to tell, because he sure is making, what seems to me anyway, such an obvious effort to either make Islam look as BAD as possible, or he genuinely believes how he just addressed susan. Anyone else notice his belittling remark to her? What do you think? Is this clown for real?!
Well, if you're serious, AID, then you have succeeded in proving, in part, the point of this particular headline; and also, in part, the purpose of Jihad Watch.
Posted by: champ at September 17, 2008 2:28 AM
The Qur'an is a crime against humanity...
at September 17, 2008 2:50 AM
The sexist remark to Susan has Islamic fingerprints all over it. AID's is just being a good muslim, 'death to the infidels' and all that,
with some Islamic sexism thrown in to keep things interesting.
AID's is probably gone now but I will ask anyway...Allah is divine...what do you think your chances are of getting into Allahs Paradise?
Are you going to try for the virgins or is regular heaven good enough? Allah did not promise paradise to everyone, are you worried that he may not select you? Are you willing to martyr yourself to get into paradise? To die in jihad is the fast track to the garden and all those sweethearts, do you wish to die in jihad? If so, what are you waiting for?
I don't think Allah likes stalling around when it comes to jihad. Reluctant jihadists annoy him. You know how he gets when he is annoyed...I would not push him too hard...
Posted by: duh_swami at September 17, 2008 3:05 AM
Another nail in the coffin for Turkeys bid to join the EU. We can only hope the Turks become even more extreme!
Posted by: mangator at September 17, 2008 3:38 AM
Now you got it...Allahu Akbar!!!!Death to those filthy rotten kufrs just like Allah said.
Hey AID'S you didn't answer my questions.
ANY MUSLIM WHO DOES NOT HONOR ALLAH WITH THE DEATH OF THE UNBELIEVER IS NOT A TRUE MUSLIM AND WILL NOT SHARE IN HIS ETERNAL REWARD!
I agree with that. It's true Islam at work, but it did not answer why it seems so many people misunderstand Islam. I'm sure if they understood it better they would be good muslims and kill infidels, the ones who claim to understand it do that. You sound like you understand Islam.
How is it that people can misunderstand Quran 9:5, 9:29, 9:111, my favorite 5:33, and a host of other verses. It's pretty clear to me that Allah means business and he expects good muslims like yourself to accomplish things for him.
You know, if you play your cards right, you might just get into Allahs Paradise. Your attitude is right for it. None of that taqiyya cover up stuff for you, you tell the truth about Islam right away.
Well, I guess you don't know why so many people misunderstand Islam. It's probably a mystery to you as well. Well it's good to see that someone has it right...Thanks...
at September 17, 2008 3:55 AM
Something tells me that 'Allah is divine' is just being ironic - very different from the usual Mohammedan trolls who come here and try to convince us how wonderful Islam is, either with plain taquiyya or tu quoque arguments. But this dude is just taking the negative points about Mohammedans and then highlighting them, such as taking over the UK, or ignoring Susan since she's an 'inferior woman being, unworthy of notice'. Reminds me of a former poster here called 'Norseman', who's style of posting made it hard to tell whether he was being serious or ironic.
If this is a Mohammedan for real, he's a fine exhibit of what Naseem seemed to be at one time - making Islam look as bad as we know it is. In any case, I second Active Listener above and suggest - don't feed the trolls.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 17, 2008 3:58 AM
It's 1:05 AM here. If you feed the trolls after midnight, they implode.
Posted by: duh_swami at September 17, 2008 4:04 AM
I prefer Ahmed Mohammed (Allah is divine) to Abdullah Mikhail, Cerebrate and Arjun08. More truthful Mohammedans like him is what we need.
Allah (is divine) hu akbar!
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 17, 2008 4:08 AM
No, Mr Erdogan, you are severely confused. Drop the -ophobia from "Islamophobia" a "crime against humanity". There, now it's correct.
Posted by: smoothlee at September 17, 2008 4:34 AM
Right, 732, not 632. In 632, Mo was only just getting started with his mass-murder cult.
Posted by: darcy
Close enough. Mo was born in 570, died in 632. It was his immediate successors who were able to spread Islam so rapidly across northern Africa, crossing into Spain in 711, finally being stopped at Tours in 732 - exactly 100 years after Mo's death.
Posted by: Eastview at September 17, 2008 5:24 AM
These braggart Muslims are seriously sick and need to be marginalized and the best way is for Western Civilization to find new energy sources and not buy their oil. Then they will revert back to the medieval beggardom that suits them best
Posted by: dennisw at September 17, 2008 5:53 AM
Wow, I did not know that this thread which started with a few posts would once I turned the computer on this morning could not believe my eyes, well over 60 postings. A number of them by a certain Muslim troll I will not mention here. What is going on here, is JW/DW going through another troll infestation? I will ignore this troll and not feed it. Take confort JW/DW regular posters and moderators, as I do that that the real growing faith that is growing fast and in a special way in the global south is the Christian faith, be it Evangelical, Roman Catholic, and Anglican.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200210/jenkins
at September 17, 2008 6:30 AM
Terrorists just drove a carbomb into the US Embassy in Yemen. Am I Islamphobic for saying that? Because it just happened. If only Muslims were more predictable. It was 2 pm in Yemen, so being Muslims, they slept until noon, wiped their asses with water, snorted some water, 'prayed' to their satanic moon-god, shouted 'Allahuakbar!' 'Death to America,' and blew themselves up like good little Muslim pigs.
Posted by: jdamn at September 17, 2008 7:08 AM
Islamophobia? No, it's just nausea, not fear. Who would fear something so easily dealt with if properly identified and treated?
So let's go forward using the term islamonausea, 'the feeling of sickness caused by islam' and not give any more credence to their claims by suggesting anyone is scared. Fear? Hah!
Posted by: Abu_Lahab at September 17, 2008 7:30 AM
“We saw that after the cartoon crisis,” he said,
how funny that when simple cartoons brings on so much rage that causes riots, carnage and death by cult members from islam. islam can not stand the light of knowlegde and will go the way of the aztecs and mayans.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 17, 2008 7:39 AM
Thanks susanp - I will check those organizations out.
Posted by: Active Listener at September 17, 2008 7:49 AM
It’s truly amazing how the ‘clerics’ can convince their flock/followers to commit acts of suicide whilst taking a step back from following though on the same. It takes me back to my childhood when there was always some Pratt ready to encourage someone else to ‘throw the brick and break the window’. To fail to follow through on this was to risk alienation from the peer group but even a complete numpty could figure this out. My response to suggestions like this was “you show me how to do it and then I’ll have a go”. Worked a treat!
Having said that I should admit to never having been offered 72 virgins for breaking a window; not that I would have known what to do with a virgin at that time. My water has passed under many bridges since those days and I now find myself with insufficient ‘puff’ to handle getting up the stairs, never mind any of that exotic and erotic afterlife jiggerypokerry. As PT Barnham once said “There’s one blown up every minute”.
at September 17, 2008 7:54 AM
We're close enough already - freedom of speech is slowly being devoured.
Posted by: Chris at September 17, 2008 8:58 AM
This is why websites like JW/DW will be very important in standing up to Islamofacism. Thank-you Robert for setting up this website.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 17, 2008 9:12 AM
"Islamophobia" a "crime against humanity"
The teachings of Islam is a crime against humanity. Its a really peaceful religion which has a high place in the world. Ban this religion which teaches killings, beheadings, stoning and killing of all non-believers(kufaaaaars). Europe kick them out of your countries and stop this menace as they will not assimilate in the next 1400 years because u will not remain a free society.
Posted by: greaticon at September 17, 2008 9:30 AM
Turkish Prime Minister: "Islamophobia" a "crime against humanity"
Good thing it doesn't exist.
at September 17, 2008 10:54 AM
This means that if Obama wins then all of us at JW will go to jail, Turkish jail.
Posted by: American at September 17, 2008 11:27 AM
This means that if Obama wins then all of us at JW will go to jail, Turkish jail.
Posted by: American
Yep...or worse even.
It's nearly time to break out the clandestine radio equipment, brush off the old microphone and start broadcasting.
Mobile unit #1. Broadcasting from a secure undisclosed location...
Posted by: duh_swami at September 17, 2008 2:32 PM
I'm wondering if he actually means that Islam is a crime against humanity, as that makes sense. (Yeah....and I have this bridge available....)
If Obama gets in, I'm willing to bet it will be harder to speak out in this country as well. Although it will never be banned, one might have a better chance of being accused of a hate crime. Hope I'm just being paranoid on this thought!
Posted by: samhein at September 17, 2008 4:10 PM
>>>
If you will not embrace Islam, you will be destroyed! That is the glorious mission of all peace loving muslims everywhere! Convert your enemey or kill him!
>>>
LOL,, looks like we have another pidgeon chested jihad boy here,, folks!!
can you spot the looney????
LOL,, this whole paragraph IT wrote is a total contradiction.
Peace loving muslims,, convert or kill
Here is a video response to this fool!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA&feature=related
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at September 17, 2008 5:42 PM
Allah will make you see the light, infidel, for your islamophobic, hate filled remarks, of course, given your name susan, you are nothing but an inferior woman being, unworty of notice
Posted by: allah is divine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 17, 2008 12:31 AM
If I, an inferior woman, am unworty (sic) of notice, why did you?
at September 18, 2008 2:20 AM
2 comments:
1. If this UN proposal gets up and national governments start enacting laws to support it (not all have the benefit of freedom of speech being in their Constitutions), then everyone should be ready to act autonomously and anonymously. Similar to how the anti-clerical and anti-monarchical intellectuals in France, England and elsewhere had to operate before the Enlightenment - publishing in the shadows so the people get the message. Options will include posting from libraries/internet cafes etc, printing pamphlets and distributing them around your city (a handful left on an office reception desk, feeding them into the private mailboxes at the post office, putting up stickers for www.jihadwatch.org in public places - just watch out for ccTV).
2. Has anyone else wondered whether the ultimate aim of Mr Erdogan and his cohorts may be the reconstitution of the Caliphate in Istanbul? Remember the Ottomans ruled large parts of the islamic world for hundreds of years and the Ottoman Caliphate has only been dissolved for around 90. Of course if Turkey is accepted into the EU it would make it even more attractive as the seat of the Caliphate. I'm sure there are plenty of Turks who would love to see Turkey lead the Ummah once again.
at September 18, 2008 10:09 AM
SusanP for VP - We will all vote for you because you will put Muslims last, last and last or absulutely last or better yet, last to absulutely everything or every concevable thing.
SusanP puts Country First!
God bless Susanp!
God bless America!
Gog curse allah!
at September 18, 2008 2:04 PM
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