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“Terrorists do not belong to any religion. They should be hanged. Why don’t the police realise this and stop persecuting Muslims alone?” Because, of course, the terrorists in question are Muslims who explain and justify their actions by reference to Islamic teachings. But that is the one thing above all that, on pain of charges of "bigotry," we are supposed not to notice, and to do nothing about.
"Muslim anger rises, police sketch suspects; India needs tough anti-terror laws: panel," from Arab Times, September 16 (thanks to Twostellas):
NEW DELHI, Sept 16, (RTRS): India needs a tough law to fight attacks like the deadly weekend bombings in New Delhi, a government panel said on Tuesday, as police released sketches of key suspects. There were immediate signs of dissent within the government, though, after the Home Minister Shivraj Patil told NDTV news channel the country already had strong enough laws in place. In its report, the panel asked the government to consider tougher laws to deal with growing militancy in India. “We need a comprehensive anti-terror law, but there should be adequate safeguards,” said Veerappa Moily, a senior member of the ruling Congress party, who headed the panel. India’s main opposition, the Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, which accuses the centrist Congress party-led coalition of following a policy of appeasement, wants the reinstatement of a tough anti-terrorism law it promoted when in power.Congress scrapped the law saying it had been misused to harass Muslims. But Muslims say they are still being persecuted under the present regime and were planning to protest, because they were being unfairly targeted in a police manhunt. Minority Muslims told Reuters in several Muslim-dominated areas of New Delhi that police were conducting a “witch hunt” and accused authorities of reinforcing stereotypes about Muslims. “Terrorists do not belong to any religion,” said Feroze Alam, a young trader in New Delhi’s Daryaganj district. “They should be hanged. Why don’t the police realise this and stop persecuting Muslims alone?” Some 20 Muslim organisations plan to meet in New Delhi next month to work a strategy to counter those stereotypes. “It is time to unite and protest against these attempts to harass Muslim youths and brand them as terrorists,” Maulana Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the chief cleric of Jama Masjid, India’s largest mosque, told Reuters.
Posted by Robert at September 17, 2008 12:34 PM
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The Jihad in India is no longer confined to Kashmir. There will be no peace for the Hindus, Sikhs and Christians of the sub-Continent. Their "crime" is to exist in close proximity to a large Muslim population.
Is Europe paying attention?
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at September 17, 2008 12:49 PM
"Why don’t the police realise this and stop persecuting Muslims alone?....It is time to unite and protest against these attempts to harass Muslim youths and brand them as terrorists"....from headline
This type of defense goes beyond denial, this is nothing more than a Smoke-and-Mirror-Alliance with the terrorists to protect "The Cause of Islam" by creating a distraction. This chief cleric is one very calculating cohort for the Cause.
Posted by: champ at September 17, 2008 12:55 PM
In today's Hindustan times, there was a letter to the editor that went as follows (scroll down below and read the last letter in the link provided):
Ashamed to be a MuslimNow, while it is perfectly possible, though unlikely, that Firoz Ali may have been practicing taquiyya, assuming that he's being genuine here, that's the sort of reaction civilized Mohammedans should have. If the bulk of Mohammedans both in India and worldwide had the attitudes of 'Firoz Ali', rather than 'Feroze Alam' in the above article, they might find Infidels more willing to accept their protestations distancing themselves from the Jihadis at face value.
The serial blasts in Delhi are a reprehensible. And I am ashamed that no Muslim leader or public figure has come out condemning these acts. I bow my head in shame when my non-Muslim friends ask me how could the culprits do such a thing during the holy month of Ramzan. After black Saturday in Delhi, I am contemplating renaming my two-and-a-half-year-old daughter before she goes to school so that she will [sic - should have been 'will not'] be identified as a Muslim. If those terrorists are proud to be Muslims, forgive me, Allah, but I am ashamed to be one.
Firoz Ali, via email
If Firoz Ali is ashamed to be a Mohammedan, he should go ahead with not only renaming his daughter so that she doesn't get identified as a Muslimah, but also jettison Islam himself. As for Mohammedan attempts to counter these stereotypes, those stereotypes wouldn't exist if Mohammedans weren't busy over a matter of months bombing Jaipur, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Delhi. Maybe someone should tell Feroze Alam that regardless of whether or not terrorists belong to any religion, there are no Hindus, Sikhs, Jains or Christians - not even pro-Islamic dhimmis in these groups - conducting Jihadi terror operations in India, and nor are there any Hindu, Sikh, or any other Infidel members in organizations like SIMI and Indian Mujahideen: they are all Mohammedans. So whether they like it or not, Delhi police aren't going to waste their time profiling Sikhs, for example, for plotting Jihadi attacks.
Cornelius
The Jihad against India was never about Kashmir from the very get go. Mohammedans to this day have wet dreams about resurecting the Moghul empire as it was in 1700, when the entire country was under Moghul rule, and the thing to note about SIMI and Indian Mujahideen are that they are not Paki or Bangladeshi Jihadi orgs, but are purely comprised of Indian Mohammedans.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 17, 2008 1:07 PM
Rumpelstilzken?
"To-day do I bake, to-morrow I brew,
The day after that the queen's child comes in;
And oh! I am glad that nobody knew
That the name I am called is Rumpelstiltskin!"
at September 17, 2008 1:21 PM
That letter above, 'Ashamed to be a Muslim'- is not to be taken seriously. If it is indeed one single Muslim who objects to the dirty deeds of the lot, then that makes him an apostate.
As you can see from the letter-to the editor-writers, their fanatical frenzy and the denial, the deflection, tu coque and counter-accusations show the true colors of his co-religionists.
Foggeddabbaudit!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 17, 2008 1:49 PM
Laws against terror are being used to harass Muslims?
One might as well say that laws against bank robbery are being used to harass thieves.
Posted by: PMK at September 17, 2008 1:55 PM
In the article, Feroze Alam pontificates: Terrorists do not belong to any religion. Yes, they do, you idiot. It is called Islam (if you can call it a religion at all). Other words from this moron are so typical of Muslims: ALWAYS blame the victims and cry persecution when confronted with reality. Police have to go after Muslims because "Indian Mujahiddin" are not a bunch of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, or Christians. Now, they plan to hold demonstrations to protest police investigations. Another Muslim tactic: play the victim and try to stop any investigation. I am sure they will be supported by pseudo-secular politicians and human rights industry and police will be quietly asked to back off. Another set of bombs will go off somewhere else and the whole cycle will be repeated again.
"It is time to unite and protest against these attempts to harass Muslim youths and brand them as terrorists,” says Maulana Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the chief cleric of Jama Masjid, India’s largest mosque.
They are branded as terrorists because they are terrorists. This slimey Bukhari ought to have been charged with sedition years ago because he has been threatening the nation with riots and another partition if (you guessed it) Muslim demands are not met. India's non-Muslims, mainly Hindus, are royally pissed off at the Muslims and their PC boot lickers. There are 850-900 million of us and about 140 million Muslims in India. Just do the math and figure out who is going to win this fight if you slimes talk of another partition. My reading in India is that Hindus are no longer willing to concede an inch to Muslims. If necessary, we will unite each one of the slimes with their 72 virgins (Muslima, of course)and 28 boys. So, send word to your false Allah to arrange for 10 billion virgins and 4 billion boys. In the bargain, we will also send the pseudo-secular brigade as your slaves. My short message to Muslims: f**k you, we have had enough of your filth, lies, taqiya, and violence.
Posted by: IndianTiger at September 17, 2008 2:11 PM
India needs a tough law to fight attacks like the deadly weekend bombings...
not only india, the whole world needs tougher laws against them.
Posted by: theygottago at September 17, 2008 2:54 PM
India was divided in 1947 on the basis of religion. Thus all muslims should leave India and allow the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Zorastrians, Bahais and countless others live in peace separated from these Rabid Dogs of Islam.
I still do not understand why Muslims claim to have a right to live in India after they have already carved the Subcontinent for their Muslim Arab Masters.
at September 17, 2008 3:03 PM
India was divided in 1947 on the basis of religion. Thus all muslims should leave India and allow the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Zorastrians, Bahais and countless others live in peace separated from these Rabid Dogs of Islam.
I still do not understand why Muslims claim to have a right to live in India after they have already carved the Subcontinent for their Muslim Arab Masters.
Ayo Gorkhali
at September 17, 2008 3:04 PM
IndianTiger are sure hope there are more Indians like who wont take anymore of the crap from the islmaists, take down the mosques, no more to be built, and send them packing to the pak. what we see going in India will be replayed in Europe. l can see a natural tie with your country and Israel, in fact l heard that the Israeli are training some of the Indian army, hopefully the Israelis were trained before the current pm came to power. Keep the pressuce on these muslims were they will want to leave!
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 17, 2008 3:25 PM
“Terrorists do not belong to any religion. They should be hanged. Why don’t the police realise this and stop persecuting Muslims alone?” “It is time to unite and protest against these attempts to harass Muslim youths and brand them as terrorists”
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"People who blow things up are bad people. We Muslims are not bad people. Our book assures us we are the Best of People. We want the whole world to join us in being the Best of People. Once Islam rules the world, there will be peace everywhere. So, 'Blowing Things Up To Establish Islam' is really directed at creating peace in the world. This would be self-evident if you would abandon your Western logic and embrace the Beauty of Islam. S0 -- stop harassing us for spreading Peace across the world, you stinking Infidels!"
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at September 17, 2008 4:22 PM
Stratfor says that the United States and India are about to go for another round of GoodCop-BadCop on Pakistan:
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20080915_pakistan_crisis_u_s_ties_and_indian_connection
So Pakistan doesn't like US raids against Taliban hideouts, does it?
Well, look what India's going to do about it:
This is a very gentle but firm squeeze on Pakistan's throat.
In the game of GoodCop-BadCop, the US gets to speak softly to Pakistan, while India will wield the stick.
at September 17, 2008 7:23 PM
Friends, what I am saying is not taqqiyya.
I am extremely ashamed as an Indian to see the violence committed by the hindu religionists against the christians. This is extreme hypocrisy. hindus freely try to prosletyse in the west. but christians who convert hindus are killed.
any fellow indian who condemns islamic fanaticism on this site should equally and vocally condemn the violence against christians. anything else is hypocrisy.
Shame. extreme shame against humanity. i am at a loss for words. i cannot stand high and mighty and condemn the islamists. in my own country, hindu fanatics are running amok shedding christian blood.
at September 17, 2008 9:00 PM
Sheikh Y
I did say 'assuming...'. Reason I think it unlikely is that a taquiyya artist would have said something along the lines of 'this is not true Islam' or 'most Muslims are peace loving and condemn these'. This dude was saying just the opposite - 'why are Muslim leaders not condemning? If terrorists are Muslims, I don't want to be one'. Of course, there's also the other possibility that he could even have been an Infidel posing as a Mohammedan and sending this in.
Gorkhali
You ought to know by now that the goal of the ummah is the entire world, not just Mohammedan majority areas. Mohammedans have wet dreams of the day they'll get back India as it was towards the peak of Aurangzeb's reign. Also keep in mind that the Golden Rule doesn't exist in Islam - therefore, Mohammedans expect themselves to be treated equally in Infidel countries, while they expect Infidels to live under dhimmitude or convert in their countries. So just because they got Pakistan and Bangladesh doesn't mean that India has any right to be Hindu. Don't try to understand them - just recognize that in their book, they are perfect, while every one else isn't.
P.S. Sad thing is that even Nepal has now become a secular state, despite the fact that Buddhists - the 2nd largest group - had no problems with Nepal being a Hindu state. All to satisfy the bloodthirsty Maoists, who now want to give special rights to the almost non-existant ummah in Nepal (what's it? 2%?).
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 17, 2008 11:16 PM
IndianInfidel
Fine. Condemn both! But don't use the recent flare-up between Hindus and Christian missionaries as a cover to avoid condemning the Jihad attacks. Unless you are yet another dhimmi looking for an excuse to either not condemn the Mohammedans, or cover up for them.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 17, 2008 11:25 PM
Hi, 'Ayo Gorkhali' - good to see you posting here again.
IndianInfidel- thank you so much for what you wrote just now [17 September 2008 9 pm].
I will pray for a true peace to be restored in India between all non-Muslims, so that they may work together to defeat the Jihad. It is terrible to see those who are mortally threatened by jihad and sharia creep, turning upon each other and thus weakening their capacity to resist Islam (and opening themselves, perhaps fatally, to the tricks of jihadi agents provocateurs).
Islam has always excelled at 'splitting the camp'. Historically, it has demonstrated an extraordinary, indeed - I would say, speaking as a Christian - diabolical capacity to sow confusion and division where none previously existed, but also to profit from, and to make worse, such confusions and divisions as already exist within the society that it is targeting for conquest.
I suspect it does so at least in part by expert use of deception: through fifth columnists and deep cover infiltrators who pose as members of the targeted society, but act to confuse and divide (e.g. a Muslim posing as a Christian will infiltrate the church and create trouble among the Christians, to divide and weaken them, or antagonise non-Christian kafir, in order to divide the Christians from the Jews/ Hindus/ secularists/ whatever).
There is at least one story in the Hadith of a person who had converted to Islam going back into his home community (of course, keeping his new Muslim identity and loyalty a total secret) in order to deliberately weaken it and open it up for the Muslim attack.
The Ummah has an uncanny ability to sense the points of weakness, the fault lines, and fix upon those, and force them.
In the face of this ugly gestalt, I am reminded of the words of Rowlings' Dumbledore, at the end of 'Goblet of Fire':
'In the light of Lord Voldemort's return, we are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.
'Lord Voldemort's gift for spreading discord and enmity is very great. We can fight it only by showing an equally strong bond of friendship and trust.
'Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open."
Our real-life situation vis a vis a resurgent Islam rolling in oil money, is as bad as, perhaps even worse than, that of Rowlings' fictional characters.
Certainly Islam's 'gift for spreading discord and enmity' is very great indeed.
One of the beauties of this comments floor, where Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, atheists, Jews and people of other kafir persuasions meet and commiserate, each person sitting at their keyboard with their cup of tea or coffee, is that it does allow us to get a little practice in countering that 'discord and enmity', by building 'friendship and trust'.
The Christian or secular Westerner who has 'made friends' with a Sikh or a Hindu poster here, and learned of the heroic Sikh and Hindu resistance to jihad, and of the terrible sufferings of India under Islam, will be more inclined to treat with interest, respect and kindness the Sikh or Hindu that he or she meets in the street or the workplace - and will be quite likely to ask the person about their experiences with Mohammedans in India, and to believe what their Indian interlocutor tells them in reply. And so: alliances will form.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 17, 2008 11:42 PM
dumbledoresarmy
Thanks for the welcome back. :)
I am always on Jihad watch and trying to show it to my Dhimmi friends, just don't have a lot of time to comment these days.
About the Cristian-Hindu conflict in Orissa, I was in India when it happened.
Actually I was in Kerala to be more specific, which is a Christian majority state of India as you must know. It was an amazing place where Hindus and Christians live side by side in peace. The temples and churches are beautiful and the land is truly God's country.
However, there is a dark history of the Malabar coast, the early 1900s, sometime around 1920-1921(can't remember exactly, been years since I was in undergrad) was the scene of the Mopillah uprising, a Jihad, which is given glorification in Indian history books as an uprising against European domination (thanks to the Congress party of India writing our history books). If it was an uprising against Europeans, then why were the Nambroodi Hindu Brahmin community targetted for conversion and genocide?
It took the British government 6 months to crush it, afterwards it was discovered that 600,000 Hindus were killed for not accepting Islam and an almost equal number converted to Islam by force.
Anyways, (I always get off track :P) my getting back to the point is that you don't hear of much violence between Hindus and christians unless its Nagaland where Hindus have been wiped out.
So IndianInfidel you should be a little more sensitive to the fact that there are fanatics on both sides of the fence. There are Hindu fanatics, no doubt, there are Christian ones in India too. However, we should put differences aside and see that Islam wants to destroy everyone, this I agree with you and everyone.
Hindusim and Christianity share a lot of common principles about humanity and kindness towards others, so there is no need to harp on an incident which no one is proud of. I am sure the Christians are not proud of their history in Goa and how Hindus were converted by force and torture by the Goa Inquisition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_Inquisition
The Orissa incident, I was told by my cousins in Orissa, was instigated by muslims who killed a famous Hindu Swami, then blamed it on the Christians causing a riot to start in the slum community. Thus, Where you have a lack of education, you will have problems.
Yes Nepal has gone into chaos. The King was stability and now the so-called Maoists want to give more power to the almost non-existant Muslim community. We are all very worried. Also in Nepal, Hindus and Buddhists don't really see a distinction among themselves as thy do in the west.
Okay, enough for now.
Cheers.
Ayo Gorkhali.
Posted by: Gorkhali at September 18, 2008 6:46 AM
Oh yes, I am very worried about the bombings since I have tons of family in Delhi.
Its very shameful that we have a Government in India that lacks Cahones.
Ayo Gorkhali.
at September 18, 2008 6:48 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen,
to be honest, primarily i stand up against islamic supremacist jihadist ideology - which in truth is what mohammed preached. also, i want christians and hindus and all non muslims to work together against this islamic fundamentalism, which is a scourge on humanity.
all said, i cannot ignore the violence against christians in india. christians are just 2% of a 1 billion population. according to latest census reports, christian population is depleting. To say hinduism is wiped out in nagaland is untruth. facts do not support it. Even in Kerala, the only state with christians, 2 decades back, christians were 24%. Now they are just 18%. Muslim population is on the rise all over india.
Religious freedom and conversion should be respected and permitted. I have facts Sir. I am no dhimmi. I am an infidel and will always be. but i do not condone violence against christians.
at September 18, 2008 12:01 PM
This is a way bit off here BUT after a long time I come across some Truth Revealing below;
Pakistan is the Real Problem ;
(Its mentors are second fiddle of Saudi Arabia from the beginning-an extenssion of Ottoman's Time)
Dangerous indeed.
(And a host of related readings)- I do not know how far Obama endorses it !
http://www.slate.com/id/2200134/
Whatever is reported on this link is very True. I can say as one who has partly seen and expereinced it first hand.It tells the whole thing and has been removed from by dhimmis from msn.com
Stealth.
Posted by: Kash225 at September 18, 2008 2:18 PM
@ IndianInfidel:
No one is condoning violence against Christians and never will. Get real man.
However your statement about Nagaland is pure BS. How can you deny the facts. It seems you want to create a wedge between the Hindus and Christians. Denying the truth does not bring people together. The beauty about Christians and the West is that if they have done any wrongs in the past against anyone, they eventually apologise mend their ways and try to find some sort of peace with other groups.
However your denial of obvious facts is an outright insult against any Hindus.
The violence that has erupted is an isolated case, unlike the situation of Christains in Pakistan which should be more of your concern.
And in case you have so easily forgotten, Sonia Gandhi head of the congress Party of India is A Catholic Italian woman, while George Fernandez (retd General) was once Defence minister of India, both Christians, with countless other Christians in key government positions, and that too in a Hindu Majority country.....just goes to show you how tolerant and open Hindus are. Unlike your anti Hindu tone of the message.
And for your kind information here is an old article from Nagaland:
Christian-dominated Nagaland demolishes its only Hindu temple
Posted January 2, 2004
http://www.sunnt.com/news/national/national.asp?id=14874
New Delhi, Nov 17 - BJP leaders in Nagaland have expressed unhappiness over alleged demolition of the only Hindu temple in the capital of this pre-dominantly Christian state, located near the new state police headquarters, to be inaugurated by Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani next month.
"The Radha-Krishna temple near the newly-constructed police headquarters in Kohima was demolished early this month on the ground that it was a disturbance to the police," state BJP sources said here. Though police maintain that due permission was taken from the Secretary and priest of the temple society, BJP leaders allege that the temple authorities were "forced" to do so.
"It seems that the temple authorities were forced to sign the agreement to shift the temple," they said. Advani is scheduled to inaugurate the newly-built Police Headquarters on December two, they said. The state BJP leaders have also met the Nagaland Home Minister and expressed displeasure over the move to shift the temple six km away from the state police headquarters.
"If the temple has to be shifted, we urge the government to build it in the heart of the town. It is the only temple there," the sources claimed. The temple was constructed with funds collected from the local population, they claimed. Even after assurances from the Nagaland Home Minister, there were reports that the temple would be constructed six km away from the police headquarters, they claimed.
Also IndianInfidel,
Christianity is the predominant religion of Nagaland. The census of 2001 recorded the state's Christian population at 1,790,349 (90.02% of the state's population), making it one of the three Christian-majority states in India, and the only state where Christians form 90% of the population. The state has a very high church attendance rate in both urban and rural areas. The largest of Asia's churches dominate the skylines of Kohima, Dimapur and Mokokchung. Among Christians, Baptists are the predominant group constituting more than 75% of the state's population.
Nagaland is known as "The most populated Baptist state in the world". The state's population is 1.988 million, out of which 90.02% are Christians. 75% of the state's population profess the Baptist faith, thus making it more Baptist than Mississippi (in the southern United States), where 52% of its population is Baptist.[citation needed]
Catholics, Revivalists, and Pentecostals are the other Christian denomination numbers. Catholics are found in significant numbers in parts of Wokha district as also in the urban areas of Kohima and Dimapur.
Hinduism and Islam are minority religions in state, at 7.7% and 1.8% of the population respectively. A small minority, less than 0.3%, still practise the traditional religions and are mainly concentrated in Peren and the Eastern districts.
So much for your so-called facts.
-Ayo Gorkhali
Posted by: Gorkhali at September 19, 2008 1:30 AM
And IndianInfidel, in case you claim that the source I used for the news article could be biased, here is another example, but this time from the BBC to further show how you are misrepresenting Hindus.
Christian Nagas burn buildings in Hindu-majority Manipur
Posted January 5, 2006
Last Updated: Sunday, 10 July, 2005, 15:39 GMT 16:39 UK
BBC
Naga protesters in India's Manipur state have torched over 40 government buildings since Saturday, police say.
Violence erupted after rumours police had manhandled some Naga tribespeople in an attempt to break a roadblock.
Nagas are angry at state government opposition to the proposed integration of Naga majority areas in Manipur with neighbouring Nagaland state.
Meanwhile, at least three soldiers have died in an attack on their convoy south-east of the state capital Imphal.
Two other soldiers were injured in the ambush in Thoubal district, which the separatist People's Liberation Army said it carried out.
The group, whose members are Hindus from the majority Meitei community, has been fighting for independence from India since 1976.
Tight security
Manipur police said violent protests by Nagas had taken place in four districts dominated by the tribe in the last two days.
Security is being beefed up in the areas affected, the authorities say.
The Nagas, who are Christians, are outnumbered in Manipur by the Meiteis and want to be part of a greater Nagaland.
They are angry that 18 June has been declared "state integration day" in Manipur.
On that day in 2001 Manipur's legislative assembly was set alight in protest at moves to break up the state and integrate Naga-dominated districts with Nagaland.
Now 99% of my friends are Christians, the beauty of them is that none of them will deny the facts of history unlike the Muslims who want to cover all their misdeeds. So whats up with you being Anti-Hindu?
Ayo Gorkhali
at September 19, 2008 1:34 AM
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