Holding up a mirror becomes a hate crime.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2008 10:12 AM

The day they condemn Hamas and Hezbollah and call for Osama bin Laden's head on a platter is the day I'll listen to ANY Muslim (or anyone else on the Left, for that matter) talk about how hateful Obsession is.

Hasan and Azad are blaming the film makers and distributors, for presenting a "twisted and grotesque representation" of Islam.

Too bad they don't blame Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. for doing the EXACT SAME THING.
Obsession is presenting what THEY have been telling us.

The "narratives" in the film are "out-of-context." It's "over-dramatized."

Over-dramatized? I didn't need any movie to see Palestinians cheer as the twin towers fell. It was LIVE on my NEWS CHANNEL.
What is over-dramatized about "death to America"? It's what we hear all the time from the Middle East. We hear it not just from terrorists, but from their nut job leaders and from people in the street.
How can anything like the story today about the homeless man killed for eating be "taken out of context"?

As one who sees a glass that is half-empty, I've noticed in the last year that MEMRI has far fewer reports of Friday sermons calling for Western deaths. Is MEMRI ignoring them or have they really decreased in number? There seem to be a lot of stories about supposed moderates calling for a rethink of Islamic doctrine, at least to allow Muslims to have a better life. Is it real or is it Memorex?

Posted by: PMK at September 24, 2008 10:23 AM

Clarification of moslem speak for the uninitiated:

Hasan and Azad assure us that "Islam strongly recommends peaceful and cordial relationships, especially with the 'people of the books,' namely Jews and Christians, as well as with the rest of humanity that aspires to coexist peacefully."

Means: As long as Christians and Jews live in a subordinate position in society as dhimmis and the "rest of humanity" allow islam to spread unopposed or they accede to become moslems.
(BTW I love the "strongly recommends peaceful relationships." It tacitly approves of hostilities if "humanity" doesn't agree to coexistence...say if some part of society objects to islamification.)

From what I have learned here, islam does NOT teach respect for humanity....they have a word for non-moslems KAFIR....how is that respectful? (Particularly if one reads what the koran says is permissible to be done to kafirs.)

Finally, islam permits death to those who spread mischief in the land...or for non-moslem speak, oppose the spread of islam.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at September 24, 2008 10:38 AM

Just love the movie, "Obsession". I like to watch it whilest oiling my shooting irons.

Posted by: HotSpur at September 24, 2008 10:43 AM

Hasan and Azad assure us that "Islam strongly recommends peaceful and cordial relationships, especially with the 'people of the books,' namely Jews and Christians, as well as with the rest of humanity that aspires to coexist peacefully."

Wala wal Bara, the belief in "love and hate for allah's sake, belies the soft and gooey "can't we alljust get along".
http://islamworld.net/docs/wala.html#III

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2008 11:19 AM

Never believe the line:
"Islam strongly recommends peaceful and cordial relationships, especially with the 'people of the books,'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBnNWWm9pg

http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/islamicways/id15.html

http://islamworld.net/docs/wala.html#III

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2008 11:25 AM

Hey, my first post did not show up till 5 minutes later. Oh well, good info.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2008 11:28 AM

"As we learned later, 28 million copies were distributed in select cities in swing states, signifying that it was a political ploy to create hatred towards, and fear about,
Islam and Muslims, holding them up among the general public — falsely — as a national security threat." .

WHO DID YOU LEARN FROM LATER?---- AND WHO SAID THE DVD WAS A POLITICAL PLOY? -----CAN YOU PROVE BEYOND A DOUBT THAT THERE ARE NOT MUSLIMS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE NOT A SECURITY THREAT?

"Is this twisted and grotesque representation of our religion and community something new? No."

IN WHAT WAY IS IT TWISTED WHEN IT REFLECTS EXACTLY WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THE QURAN TO MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS WHO ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW IT FOR FEAR OF NOT REFLECTING ANY FALSE TEACHINGS OF THE WORD OF ALLAH THROUGH THEIR PROPHET MOHAMMED?

"Unfortunately, in this case, a consortium of special-interest groups chose to malign an entire religion and suggest unsubstantiated involvement of Muslims in America in a crusade-like movement."

AND WHO ARE THESE UNNAMED SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS?

"Comparing Islam — a divinely guided and revealed way of life — with Nazism is a contemptuous stretch of imagination. Islam strongly recommends peaceful
and cordial relationships, especially with the 'people of the books,' namely Jews and Christians, as well as with the rest of humanity that aspires to coexist peacefully."

DO I REALLY NEED TO QUOTE ALL THE SURAHS, AND HADITHS THAT CALL FOR VIOLENCS AGAINST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS HERE ? THE RELIGION OF PEACE DEMONSTRATES EVERY DAY THAT IT IS BUT A CLEAR AND OBVIOUS MYTH IN TOO MANY WAYS TO COUNT.

"At least 17 times a day in our prayers, Muslims invoke blessings and peace on the progeny of Abraham — the grand patriarch of the followers of all the three religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam."

THIS IS OF COURSE A TOTAL FALLACY AND AN EFFORT TO PROPAGATE THE CONTINUOUS MYTH OF THE SO-CALLED RELIGION OF PEACE. THE QURAN IS CLEAR IN THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT (CHRISTIANITY) WAS CORRUPTED BY THE JEWS WHO WROTE IT. tHIS HAD TO BE SAID BY MOHAMMED SO THAT HE COULD GIVE HIS CULT RELIGION CREDIBILITY OVER CHRISTIANITY.

"Emotional incitement through the dissemination of twisted and overly dramatized graphics unfortunately has the potential of a backlash against the primary
targets, which in this case happen to be Muslim-Americans,"

THIS IS THE USUAL EFFORT PUT FORTH TO ONCE AGAIN MAKE MUSLIMS THE VICTIMS OF WHAT REALLY REPRESENTS THE TRUE CORE OF THE QURANS TEACHINGS.

"Despite this hatred and treatment, Muslim-Americans remain responsible, law-abiding, and taxpaying citizens with strong family values. They practice and teach their children peaceful coexistence with friends, neighbors, and co-workers, thereby inculcating the sense of patriotism and fairness. They abhor all forms of discrimination against fellow human beings. The core teaching of Islam preaches respect of humanity and preservation of life."

HOW DID BRINGING KNOWLEDGE AND AWARENESS OF THE ISLAMIC JIHAD BECOME HATE AGAINST ALL MUSLIMS? ---IN THE QURAN IT CLEARLY PREACHES TO NOT BE BEFRIEND KAFFIRS,INFIDELS,OR NON MUSLIMS. ISLAM ONLY PREACHES RESPECT FOR HUMANITY IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM, AND EVEN THAT IS PRECARIOUS IF YOU ARE ESPECIALLY A WOMAN---IE: HONOR KILLINGS,HALF THE TESTIMONY OF A MAN,AND NUMEROUS OTHER DENEGRATIONS OF WOMEN.

"Muslim-Americans have vehemently denounced and continue to denounce any form of terrorism, killing, and maiming of innocent civilians, damage and destruction of property, especially in the name of religion".

UNFORTUNATLEY THESE SOCALLED MODERATE MUSLIMS REFLECT HARDLY A PEEP WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRACTICES OF FUNDAMENTAL MUSLIMS.

"our patriotism is called into question and we are repeatedly asked to define and defend our position on terrorism, to the point of harassment. For how long, we wonder?"

AS LONG AS THERE ARE MUSLIMS IN THIS COUNTRY WHO CONTINUE TO TRY AND MANIPULATE AND UNDERMINE THIS COUNTRY FROM THE CAIR,THE MUSLIMS STUDENTS ASSOCIATION,SUPPORTERS OF HAMAS,HEZBOLLAH, AND MANY MORE, AMERICANS MUST REMAIN VIGILANT TO THE TRUE ASPIRATIONS OF ISLAM IN AMERICA. AND ABSOLUTELY CALL THEIR PATRIOTISM INTO QUESTION AS WELL AS ANY OTHER GROUPS THAT DEMONSTRATE HATE TOWRDS AMERICAN VALUES AND INTITUTIONS.

"Those who have seen this vicious and bigoted video should be well aware of the nefarious approach adopted by its distributors. If the viewers are perturbed by the twisted images and the narratives represented in this video, the Muslim community invites them to have a dialogue, for through communication alone, myth can be separated from the truth."

INVITES YOU TO EXPERIENCE THE PRACTICE OF TAQUIYA AND KITMAN. READ THE QURAN FOR YOURSELF SO THAT YOU ARE NOT EASILY MISLEAD INTO THE WORLD OF THE DHIMMI.

"We ask our fellow Americans to utilize their God-given virtues of fair-mindedness, honesty, and tolerance, to reject such political ploys as employed through this endeavor, and to be vigilant towards the arrival of the next bundle of Islamophobia with their Sunday paper."

We ask them to denounce this and future messages of hatred, divisiveness, and fear-mongering that is targeted to divert the national attention away from the real issues that are important for the well-being of our country and its citizens."

MUSLIMS ARE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE DISHONESTY TOWARD (TAQUIYA) NON-MUSLIMS--- MUSLIMS ARE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE NON TOLERANCE AND ANTISEMITISM ( HATRED OF JEWS)IN THE QURAN.

Posted by: Mackie at September 24, 2008 11:53 AM

Hasan and Azad use the words "vicious" and "bigoted," writing about a "demonizing message," a "message of hatred, divisiveness, and fear-mongering."

But enough about Islam...

Posted by: Seymour Paine at September 24, 2008 12:58 PM

How many readers of the Toledo Blade have kept up with jihad details as did Kamala Kamala? Would recipients of the "Obsession" DVD consider googling the dvd's pious cast of characters to see how they touch their community? One would hope so.

From my perspective, Kamala Kamala's letter could initiate such inquiry - and this response to "Keeping Toledo Hate-free" should be printed in the Toledo Blade newspaper in Ohio.

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Posted by: heroyalwhyness at September 24, 2008 3:18 PM

I just bought Obssesion and I plan to show it to a lot of people. Picked it up at Barnes and Noble under documentaries.

Posted by: eaglecap at September 24, 2008 4:07 PM

Strange that it is that the ealry versus of the Koran, which describe "people of the book" as friends are abrogated by later versus which describe them as kafir. If these opinions of these two muslim gentlemen were not so ludicrous they would be laughable. When will they stop believing their own propoganda?

Posted by: DeadRecknoning at September 24, 2008 4:42 PM

An article on Mahdi Bray:

"A convert to Islam, Mahdi Bray is not one of those, like Ibrahim Hooper, who has attained national prominence. He is a tireless worker at the local level, however, and in his dual presentation of self, or presentation of dual selves, most instructive. Soft-spoken and smiling and all sweet reason, and with a comfortably American voice, when addressing Infidels, he becomes something quite different for Muslim audiences, where he has been known to chant-and-rant, as in his call of support for Hamas before a crowd in Washington, or whipping up a crowd to show up at a courtroom to mock the proceedings which involved charging a Muslim with plotting to kill the American President. He is also careful, at the local level, to carry out all those carefully-calibrated and well-publicized deeds of supposed charity – to earn Infidel goodwill – that are described as being so useful in the conduct of Da’wa at Muslim sites.

In his last appearance in The Boston Globe, some months ago, he is seen in a photograph (he made sure there would be a Globe photographer handy) helping to lift a box of donated food for the poor, which we are naturally supposed to believe is disinterested Muslim charity, but zakat, of course, can only be given to Infidels for the sake of promoting Islam. Just as Muslim websites carefully offer detailed instructions as to how Muslim parents can get their way, when making special requests (for prayer-rooms and the like) of teachers and school administrators, there are detailed instructions as to how to obtain favorable publicity – and the ostentatious “donation to charity” has been mentioned as the kind of thing local groups can engage in.

Bray, retaining his soft-spoken Virginia ways, seldom fails to remind non-Muslims that he is “just a country Muslim from Norfolk, Virginia”; this Americanizes it, makes it wholesome, familiar, unthreatening. As the director of something called the “Freedom Foundation” at the Muslim American Society. Bray has frequently denounced acts of the American government that are meant to defend American citizens from Muslim terrorism.

The list of those he has chosen to vocally defend is instructive. At least since July, 2004, he demanded the return of Ahmad Abu-Ali from Saudi Arabia:
“MAS Freedom Foundation's Executive Director, Mahdi Bray, called the continued detention of Ahmed Abu-Ali, an American born citizen and an honor student, in a Saudi Arabian jail a "national disgrace and tragedy."
But when Abu-Ali was finally extradited to the United States, presumably fulfilling that demand that he be released from a Saudi jail, Mahdi Bray was still not happy:

“We're deeply grateful to the Almighty for the return of Abu-Ali to the United States of America," said Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation Executive Director Mahdi Bray. "However, I am still greatly troubled and concerned about the manner in which our government has dealt with Abu Ali and his family.
"Nothing short of his release and return to his family is acceptable to us.”

When Abu-Ali, who was eventually charged with plotting to kill President Bush, appeared for his hearing at a courthouse in Virginia, those whom Mahdi Bray had helped urge to come to protest did. Violating court decorum, they entered the court and laughed at the judge as he announced the charges.

Even before he went to bat for Abu-Ali, Mahdi Bray had stood up for Abdurrahman Alamoudi, the man connected to the Boston Mosque which benefited from a sweetheart land deal, arranged by a dangerously ill-informed Mayor Menino. Abdurrahman Alamoudi’s sinister views and connections can easily be found discussed in detail on the Internet, but it was not his hatred for Infidels, or his plans for Islamic dominance, that got him in trouble. In the end, it was his part in a plot to assassinate Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia that ended in Alamoudi’s receiving a 23-year sentence.

And now, to complete the trilogy, Mahdi Bray bemoans the treatment of Al-Timimi, the Muslim leader in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C., who was just found guilty of urging followers to fight the Americans in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But standing up for Abu Ali, and Al-Timimi, and Abdurrahman Alamoudi, are just part of Bray’s activities.

In October 2000 he appeared at a demonstration called in support of Hamas and Hizbullah:

“In American Jihad, [Steve] Emerson notes that when Abdurrahman Alamoudi of the American Muslim Council, who is now serving a 23-year prison sentence for a terrorism financing conviction, encouraged the Muslim crowd at an October 2000 rally cosponsored by MPAC to declare their support of the jihad terror groups Hamas and Hizballah, “MPAC’s Political Advisor, Mahdi Bray, stood directly behind Alamoudi and was seen jubilantly exclaiming his support for these two deadly terrorist organizations.” This was just three weeks after Bray “coordinated and led a rally where approximately 2,000 people congregated in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C.” Emerson reports that “at one point during the rally, Mahdi Bray played the tambourine as one of the speakers sang, while the crowd repeated: ‘Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is calling us, let’s all go into jihad, and throw stones at the face of the Jews [sic].’
Mahdi Bray was at another demonstration in December of that same year:

On December 22, 2000, MPAC's Mahdi Bray organized a rally in Lafayette Park outside the White House to celebrate a "Worldwide Day for Jerusalem." In Arabic, the crowd responsively chanted with the emcee, "Khaybar, Khaybar oh Jews, the Army of Muhammad is coming for you!" Posters calling for "Death to Israel" and equating the Star of David with the Nazi swastika were openly displayed and anti-Semitic literature calling for the destruction of the Jews and Israel was distributed. Members of the crowd burned the Israeli flag while marching from the White House to the State Department.
Bray spoke at this rally, along with Imam Mohammed al-Asi, former director of the Islamic Education Center in Potomac, Maryland, who exhorted the crowd to violence in the name of Islam. Al-Asi said, "Now, all our khatibs (speakers), our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarizing the Muslim public. This is not a time to make a speaking issue out of this ... Muslims have to familiarize themselves with every means possible ... Rhetoric is not going to liberate Al Quds and Al Aqsa. Only carrying arms will do this task. And it's not going to be someone else who is going to carry arms for you and for me. It is you and me who are going to have to carry these arms."

And here is some testimony before Congress about Mahdi Bray:

United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
Terrorist Recruitment and Infiltration in the United States: Prisons and Military as an Operational Base.

Statement of J. Michael Waller
Annenberg Professor of International Communication
Institute of World Politics

Before the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security

Senate Committee on the Judiciary

14 October 2003

Appendix 2: Key Organizations Involved in Muslim Prison Recruitment

National Islamic Prison Foundation (NIPF) – Contact: Mahdi Bray; 1212 New York Ave. NW, Suite 525, Washington, DC 20005. This is the same address as the American Muslim Council (AMC).

• “Specifically organized to convert American inmates to Wahhabism.”

And at www.masboston.org, the website of the Boston chapter of the “Muslim American Society” there are quite a number of items of interest. The first is the listing of the “Trainers” of Muslim activists (“training” in how to talk to Infidels at Outreach Meetings or in the conduct of Da’wa or in dealing with inquisitive media). In fact only one “trainer” is listed: Mahdi Bray

Imam Mahdi Bray is a long time civil and human rights activist. He is currently the Executive Director of the Muslim American Society (MAS) Freedom Foundation, and the President of the Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations (CCMO). He also serves on the Board of Directors of the National Interfaith Committee for Worker Justice and the Interfaith Alliance, and also on the Advisory Board of the American Muslim Council and Muslim Public Affairs Council. He is a Washington, DC, Television and Radio Talk-Show Host.

He has served as a major consultant and a political advisor to Bonner & Associates, Washington’s largest grassroots lobbying firm, the National Center for Housing Management, Alexandria City Redevelopment & Housing Authority, Community Relations Department, The City of Norfolk, Virginia, Department of Community Improvement, and the Independent Voter League. He has also served as a Political Advisor and Strategist, to several national, state, and local political campaigns. He is also the author of, ‘The Masjid (Mosque) Voter’s Guide’ and ‘The Political Guide for Masjid (Mosque) Activists.’
Also, Imam Mahdi Bray is one of the main organizers for the No War on Iraq movement.

He has also served as a liaison between President’s White House Faith-Based Initiative Program and congressional affairs on behalf of the Muslim community.

On another page, there is an advertisement for a Muslim summer camp where students will experience “Tarbeya”:

“At MAS, the Tarbeya process is considered the most important process and the Tarbeya department is one of the permanent departments in the organization. This belief traces its origin to the teachings of Prophet Mohamed as he -- peace be upon him- --invested a lot of effort doing Tarbeya for his companions. As a result of his effort, he did not only leave a great message, the message of Islam, but also left a great generation that carried the message and spread it all over the land and moved humanity from darkness to light. Islamic history proved that whenever this process was considered, Muslims were able to succeed and Islam prevailed. Imam Hassan Al-Banna, the founder and the leader of a great Islamic movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, said ‘Whenever you find the good Muslim you find with him all means for great success.’”

Note the praise of Hassan al-Banna, described as “the founder and the leader of a great Islamic movement, the Muslim Brotherhood.” Anyone who does not know what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for can simply google that organization. Hassan Al-Banna (his grandson, Tariq Ramadan, pretending that his own unwillingness to disown Al-Banna is merely a matter of noble filial piety, a filiopietism that compels him not to publicly disown “my grandfather” when in fact the real reason he does not distance himself from his grandfather is that he agrees with the program of the Muslim Brotherhood). Hassan al-Banna not only organized secret cells in Egypt, but would also give public addresses, whipping up his followers. And what better way for those followers to express their ignited enthusiasm, than to go out and attack non-Muslims (Copts and Jews), to beat them, even to kill them, and of course to destroy their small businesses. After one such speech in Cairo, on November 2, 1945, the whipped-up mobs did exactly that.

The next time a smiling plausible fellow shows up at a public gathering, no longer shaking a tambourine, and shouting hosannas to Hamas and Hezbullah, but offering a tone of sweet reasonableness, of more-in-sorrow wistfulness about the mean-minded misunderstanding of Islam, and the terrible victimization of Muslims, see if he manages to describe himself as “just a country Muslim from Norfolk, Virginia” with a smile and an ah-shucks shrug meant to suggest two things – he’s just as American as he can possibly be, and therefore, so to is this wonderful doctrine of Islam that we keep hearing all those untrue and unfair things about. If you hear about Norfolk, Virginia, and the “li’l ole Muslim” routine, you can be sure you are in the presence of Mahdi Bray.

And if he offers an Infidel audience a practiced display of Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque, and a look of wounded innocence, it might help to have this article handy, so that they will know about Alamoudi, Abu-Ali, Al-Timimi, and that tambourine shout-out in Lafayette Park for such terrorist groups as Hamas and Hezbollah. It won’t put a stop to the act, but it will no longer be a hard act to follow.

And remember how another li’l ole country boy, this one from Concord, Massachusetts, named Ralph Waldo Emerson, who famously cautioned wariness:

“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”

The more we hear tell about the “tolerance” and “peace” and all-round goodness of Islam, the more we feel the urge to count aloud, not the number of spoons, but the number of victims of Jihad-conquest (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists, and the more we feel impelled to count up all the onerous disabilities that those non-Muslims who were not killed or forcibly converted at once but permitted to survive as dhimmis under Muslim rule, suffered through time and space, over 1350 years, from the Iberian Peninsula to the East Indies, wherever Islam ruled and Muslims dominated.

[Posted by Hugh at May 5, 2005]

Posted by: Hugh at September 24, 2008 6:32 PM