Jihad Watch: America as the last man standing

September 28, 2008

America as the last man standing

"In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe?"

Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, chairman Party for Freedom, the Netherlands, at the Four Seasons, New York, introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem (which I hope to be attending).

The speech was sponsored by the Hudson Institute on September 25.

Dear friends,
Thank you very much for inviting me. Great to be at the Four Seasons. I come from a country that has one season only: a rainy season that starts January 1st and ends December 31st. When we have three sunny days in a row, the government declares a national emergency. So Four Seasons, that’s new to me.

It’s great to be in New York. When I see the skyscrapers and office buildings, I think of what Ayn Rand said: “The sky over New York and the will of man made visible.” Of course. Without the Dutch you would have been nowhere, still figuring out how to buy this island from the Indians. But we are glad we did it for you. And, frankly, you did a far better job than we possibly could have done.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The danger I see looming is the scenario of America as the last man standing. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe. In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe? Patriots from around Europe risk their lives every day to prevent precisely this scenario form becoming a reality.

My short lecture consists of 4 parts.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. Thirdly, if you are still here, I will talk a little bit about the movie you just saw. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem.

The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the landmarks. The Eiffel Tower and Trafalgar Square and Rome’s ancient buildings and maybe the canals of Amsterdam. They are still there. And they still look very much the same as they did a hundred years ago.

But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world, a world very few visitors see – and one that does not appear in your tourist guidebook. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration. All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighbourhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corner. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighbourhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighbourhood by neighbourhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighbourhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities. In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear “whore, whore”. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin. In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can in many cases no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity. In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighbourhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favour of a worldwide caliphate. A Dutch study reported that half of Dutch Muslims admit they “understand” the 9/11 attacks.

Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. Our elites are willing to give in. To give up. In my own country we have gone from calls by one cabinet member to turn Muslim holidays into official state holidays, to statements by another cabinet member, that Islam is part of Dutch culture, to an affirmation by the Christian-Democratic attorney general that he is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behaviour, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. Some prefer to see these as isolated incidents, but I call it a Muslim intifada. I call the perpetrators “settlers”. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies, they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighbourhoods, their cities, their countries.

Politicians shy away from taking a stand against this creeping sharia. They believe in the equality of all cultures. Moreover, on a mundane level, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

Our many problems with Islam cannot be explained by poverty, repression or the European colonial past, as the Left claims. Nor does it have anything to do with Palestinians or American troops in Iraq. The problem is Islam itself.

Allow me to give you a brief Islam 101. The first thing you need to know about Islam is the importance of the book of the Quran. The Quran is Allah’s personal word, revealed by an angel to Mohammed, the prophet. This is where the trouble starts. Every word in the Quran is Allah’s word and therefore not open to discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times. Therefore, there is no such a thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of moderate Muslims. But a moderate Islam is non-existent.

The Quran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism. The Quran calls for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, to terrorize non-Muslims and to fulfil their duty to wage war: violent jihad. Jihad is a duty for every Muslim, Islam is to rule the world – by the sword. The Quran is clearly anti-Semitic, describing Jews as monkeys and pigs.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behaviour is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. He advised on matters of slavery, but never advised to liberate slaves. Islam has no other morality than the advancement of Islam. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad. There is no gray area or other side.

Quran as Allah’s own word and Mohammed as the perfect man are the two most important facets of Islam. Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

This is what you need to know about Islam, in order to understand what is going on in Europe. For millions of Muslims the Quran and the live of Mohammed are not 14 centuries old, but are an everyday reality, an ideal, that guide every aspect of their lives. Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam “the most retrograde force in the world”, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran.

Which brings me to my movie, Fitna.

I am a lawmaker, and not a movie maker. But I felt I had the moral duty to educate about Islam. The duty to make clear that the Quran stands at the heart of what some people call terrorism but is in reality jihad. I wanted to show that the problems of Islam are at the core of Islam, and do not belong to its fringes.

Now, from the day the plan for my movie was made public, it caused quite a stir, in the Netherlands and throughout Europe. First, there was a political storm, with government leaders, across the continent in sheer panic. The Netherlands was put under a heightened terror alert, because of possible attacks or a revolt by our Muslim population. The Dutch branch of the Islamic organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir declared that the Netherlands was due for an attack. Internationally, there was a series of incidents. The Taliban threatened to organize additional attacks against Dutch troops in Afghanistan, and a website linked to Al Qaeda published the message that I ought to be killed, while various muftis in the Middle East stated that I would be responsible for all the bloodshed after the screening of the movie. In Afghanistan and Pakistan the Dutch flag was burned on several occasions. Dolls representing me were also burned. The Indonesian President announced that I will never be admitted into Indonesia again, while the UN Secretary General and the European Union issued cowardly statements in the same vein as those made by the Dutch Government. I could go on and on. It was an absolute disgrace, a sell-out.

A plethora of legal troubles also followed, and have not ended yet. Currently the state of Jordan is litigating against me. Only last week there were renewed security agency reports about a heightened terror alert for the Netherlands because of Fitna.

Now, I would like to say a few things about Israel. Because, very soon, we will get together in its capitol. The best way for a politician in Europe to loose votes is to say something positive about Israel. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I, however, will continue to speak up for Israel. I see defending Israel as a matter of principle. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel. First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

Samuel Huntington writes it so aptly: “Islam has bloody borders”. Israel is located precisely on that border. This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel, Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything. Therefore, it is not that the West has a stake in Israel. It is Israel.

It is very difficult to be an optimist in the face of the growing Islamization of Europe. All the tides are against us. On all fronts we are losing. Demographically the momentum is with Islam. Muslim immigration is even a source of pride within ruling liberal parties. Academia, the arts, the media, trade unions, the churches, the business world, the entire political establishment have all converted to the suicidal theory of multiculturalism. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. The entire establishment has sided with our enemy. Leftists, liberals and Christian-Democrats are now all in bed with Islam.

This is the most painful thing to see: the betrayal by our elites. At this moment in Europe’s history, our elites are supposed to lead us. To stand up for centuries of civilization. To defend our heritage. To honour our eternal Judeo-Christian values that made Europe what it is today. But there are very few signs of hope to be seen at the governmental level. Sarkozy, Merkel, Brown, Berlusconi; in private, they probably know how grave the situation is. But when the little red light goes on, they stare into the camera and tell us that Islam is a religion of peace, and we should all try to get along nicely and sing Kumbaya. They willingly participate in, what President Reagan so aptly called: “the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom.”

If there is hope in Europe, it comes from the people, not from the elites. Change can only come from a grass-roots level. It has to come from the citizens themselves. Yet these patriots will have to take on the entire political, legal and media establishment.

Over the past years there have been some small, but encouraging, signs of a rebirth of the original European spirit. Maybe the elites turn their backs on freedom, the public does not. In my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat to our national identity. I don’t think the public opinion in Holland is very different from other European countries.

Patriotic parties that oppose jihad are growing, against all odds. My own party debuted two years ago, with five percent of the vote. Now it stands at ten percent in the polls. The same is true of all smililary-minded parties in Europe. They are fighting the liberal establishment, and are gaining footholds on the political arena, one voter at the time.

Now, for the first time, these patriotic parties will come together and exchange experiences. It may be the start of something big. Something that might change the map of Europe for decades to come. It might also be Europe’s last chance.

This December a conference will take place in Jerusalem. Thanks to Professor Aryeh Eldad, a member of Knesset, we will be able to watch Fitna in the Knesset building and discuss the jihad. We are organizing this event in Israel to emphasize the fact that we are all in the same boat together, and that Israel is part of our common heritage. Those attending will be a select audience. No racist organizations will be allowed. And we will only admit parties that are solidly democratic.

This conference will be the start of an Alliance of European patriots. This Alliance will serve as the backbone for all organizations and political parties that oppose jihad and Islamization. For this Alliance I seek your support.

This endeavor may be crucial to America and to the West. America may hold fast to the dream that, thanks tot its location, it is safe from jihad and shaira. But seven years ago to the day, there was still smoke rising from ground zero, following the attacks that forever shattered that dream. Yet there is a danger even greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe’s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

This is not the first time our civilization is under threat. We have seen dangers before. We have been betrayed by our elites before. They have sided with our enemies before. And yet, then, freedom prevailed.

These are not times in which to take lessons from appeasement, capitulation, giving away, giving up or giving in. These are not times in which to draw lessons from Mr. Chamberlain. These are times calling us to draw lessons from Mr. Churchill and the words he spoke in 1942:

“Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”.

Posted by Robert at September 28, 2008 7:51 AM
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Take out the "Welfare cheques" and other goodies provided by the host country, start deporting those illegats caught in crimes, and you will start to see dramactic changes in your country.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

at September 28, 2008 8:09 AM

What a wonderful and inspiring speech. Mr. Wilders will perhaps someday be seen as the saviour of Europe. He is so brave to speak out like this, when he knows his life will be in danger by doing so. Be safe, Mr. Wilders.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

at September 28, 2008 8:22 AM

Thank You, Thank You, Geert Wilders.

The other day I was having coffee at a Starbucks with an acquaintance. We came out, and she looked at my "DEFEAT JIHAD" bumper sticker. I offered, "I have another one." To which she replied, "I don't put bumper stickers on my car." But, as she drove off I noticed a "Baylor U," sticker on her vehicle, where her daughter goes to school.

Which is probably a reason why she'll stay an acquaintance, and not a friend. 'Cause I can't respect her cowardice, not at all.

Posted by: darcy

at September 28, 2008 8:49 AM

Darcy although this acqaintance of yours could be a coward, l cannot see putting anti jiad stickers on my van for knowing that it will be vanalized. l have a sticker for supporting our troops, and l have been told by a mother of a soldier that hers were ripped off. l can see tires being slashed and or keyed, with our insurance rates as high as it is, its too much for some of us take on. We can put on sweater,shirts with logos of anti jihad, as it would be easier for me to defend myself than leave my unattended van etc. If they would make stickers that are metalic, stick ons that can be removed easy when parking in high muslim areas, in my area would be the west end of downtown, as l do transport dogs quite a bit, and do not want to put them at harmsway.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

at September 28, 2008 9:16 AM

'Cause I can't respect her cowardice, not at all."

This is how I feel about Johnson and the LGF Lizards incessant about silly little symbols and freaking out over 'creationists' and 'neo-nazi' when all of Europe is forced to submit to Allah!

SOBs turned their backs because the anti-Islamists were not as 'pure and precious' as the lizards who betrayed the defense of Western civilization.

"Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”

This is for the Lizards who are basically Koz Kids for the 'moderate-liberal'.

Posted by: syn

at September 28, 2008 9:23 AM

We are privileged to witness the emergence and rise to prominence of a truly great man. Notice the little things: the engaging and well-placed humor, the appropriate insertion of the thoughts of other greats such as Rand and Churchill. Then notice the big things: the keen insights -- 'suicidal theory of multiculturalism' and long-range visionary analysis, and most importantly, the courage. The bravery. Steadfast in facing down the death threats of a known murderous and dangerous 'tiny minority' on one side and the sneers of the elite 'betters' on the other.

God bless you, Mr. Wilders.

Posted by: Goob

at September 28, 2008 9:24 AM

A truly inspiring speech. Wilders should be invited to address Congress while he is here.

Re: The meeting in Jeruselem and "no racists allowed". I hope the members of the "invitations" committee will keep an open mind as to who is to be included in the racists and the non racists categories. Will a member of Vlams Belang be allowed? BNP? This could get interesting.

Posted by: USorThem

at September 28, 2008 9:38 AM

Hey Obama and McCain...have you read the words of this man and how do you respond?.

Posted by: pulsar182

at September 28, 2008 9:43 AM

Syn: You're talking about me, I think. I am a Lizard who agrees with CJ about the skinheads and racists. It's not about cowardice or purity, though they will taint the general public perception of the well-meaning anti-Jihad movement sure as day. It's more about not lending credence and legitimacy to their bigotry. Also we don't want to ally with them today and have to fight them tomorrow. We spent 55 years in a cold war and a senseless, insane (MAD) nuclear arms race for doing the same with Stalin.

Admittedly, I'm not sure how our de facto alliance with the Bolsheviks could have been avoided, and perhaps we are entangled with the neo-nazis in the same way -- as Wilders points out, anyone who doesn't want Islam to take over the world is immediately tagged a 'racist' -- but that does not mean we have to like it. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

I hate to see this bickering and bad blood spill over into JihadWatch though. We all need to be on the same page and not be making enemies of well-meaning, non-racist anti-Jihadists. A house divided...

Posted by: Goob

at September 28, 2008 9:44 AM

Geert Wilders is an incredibly brave intellectual mensch! He asks for our support . . .

This December a conference will take place in Jerusalem. . . .This conference will be the start of an Alliance of European patriots. This Alliance will serve as the backbone for all organizations and political parties that oppose jihad and Islamization. For this Alliance I seek your support.

I have pasted this speech along with the link to FITNA (rosetta stone translations page) into e-mail and sent it to everyone in my address book.

BTW, if you missed it . .. Geert Wilders was on Glenn Beck's show this week and parts of FITNA finally aired on national tv.

This speech will piggy-back enormously well with the mass circulation (28 million DVD's distributed for free)of OBSESSION (39 minute clip via google).

Posted by: heroyalwhyness

at September 28, 2008 9:47 AM

Hi Zena - where I live there are no "high Muslim areas." Isn't that nice? YES! My sticker has been "ripped off" once - on a visit to Houston, TX. I have no idea whether the Perp was a Mohammedan or a useful idiot. I certainly do understand your concerns about your dogs.

My neighborhood has a high number of Ph.D's. I'm sure they must suffer my "DEFEAT JIHAD" sticker in silence. So far it's always been there when I wake up in the morning. And so far no damage to my vehicle.

Another thing I do is water my plants outside wearing my "Bring Back The Crusades" t-shirt or sweatshirt. It's got a big "Knights Templar" red cross on it. So far, zero comments, whether from neighbors we speak to, or from those we don't. I do get stares, sometimes, mostly from males. I just stare right back - hello, I'm not going to be intimidated. You got a problem with what I'm wearing? I couldn't care less, and go f yourself. I suppose I'm feeling esp. ornery today after reading Geert's speech above about Islamization.

"This is how I feel about Johnson and the LGF Lizards..." --syn

I hate LGF. I wouldn't go there if it was the only anti-Jihad site on the 'net.

Posted by: darcy

at September 28, 2008 9:55 AM

Great speech! Historical. One day, kids will learn in school about it or otherwise they will learn Qur'an.

I am glad that he mentioned Kosovo, since this is perfect example of what will happen in Europe. Muslims will simply start parallel institutions and proclaim "independent" provinces. They think they have every right to do so since they will be majority. Every action by European governments to restore law and order will be called "violation of human rights". Their poor economic status, which is simply a consequence of their laziness and large families (as everywhere), will be used to prove how they are persecuted. Then gangs of criminals, they will call "freedom fighters", will start to ambush and kill policemen, government workers and really westernized loyal Muslims. If they dare to defend themselves, it will be labeled a "genocide" against Muslims. Since when infidels have a right to defend themselves?

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia

at September 28, 2008 10:00 AM

Goob says:

"I hate to see this bickering and bad blood spill over into JihadWatch though. We all need to be on the same page and not be making enemies of well-meaning, non-racist anti-Jihadists. A house divided..."

I agree with both sentiments expressed. The problem is, as I tried to bring up in my comment above, there is bound to be an issue as to WHO is a racist, and what CRITERIA will be used to decide. One person's racist is another's freedom fighter. I have seen the term racist given varied meanings and interpretations whenever European politics and racism is discussed. Sometimes there is at least an open question as to whether one is a racist or not. Will those of whom we are unsure be given the benefit of the doubt? I for one, hope so.

Posted by: USorThem

at September 28, 2008 10:03 AM

Wilders: We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

Do you hear that BUSH-OBAMA-PELOSI-HAIRY REED-KERRY-
CLINTON-'HOLLYWOOD', and a host of other 'elite's' not named.

You are all 'guilty' of what future generations, and this generation, won't forgive you for.

Your names are written in 'Allah's Black Book of Human Misery'.

Your profits will mean nothing when Allah gets hold of you. He is oft forgiving, but not in your cases.

Allah's Motto,'A kuffar is a kufr until he becomes a kafir'...Clearly punishment is in order...

You are going to find out, just how willing Allah really is...

Elite Kufirs are not exempt...

'Repent, the Kingdom of Allah is upon you'...

Or something like that...

There are two wars going on. One with Islam, the other with abject stupidity, and a self serving mentality...together those are the 'ruling elite'.

It is losing out to this stupidity that will damn us...

Posted by: duh_swami

at September 28, 2008 10:08 AM

Sun,
LGF lost credibility when it became just another right wing blog.
I pray the people wake up and force their leaders to eject this ugly traitorous presence that is threatening our civilization.

Posted by: MorrisMinor

at September 28, 2008 10:11 AM

A great speech. The betrayal is even more organized in the European Union than Wilders said, though. I will post an online book called Defeating Eurabia within a few days at Gates of Vienna which will advocate the dissolution of the EU.

Goob: The "divisions" in this case have been caused entirely by Little Green Footballs. LGF has spent an entire year pestering good people who defend their civilization. The only thing LGF has achieved by doing so, apart from giving our enemies a good laugh, is undermining its own credibility. As soon as this ends, the "divisions" will disappear.

Posted by: Fjordman

at September 28, 2008 10:19 AM

This needs to be on aduio tape and distrubted to all Americans, most of all, to congress, and to every new member of congress. Wow, What a wonderful and inspiring speech. This is the truth that will open up some eyes, this is the future of America if nothing is done to stop it NOW.

Posted by: casey92

at September 28, 2008 10:31 AM

With all due respect to Geert Wilders, he is speaking from a purely secular perspective about a war, possibly the final war, whose origins are supernatural. Therefore, Geert only comprehends that part of the war manifest on the physical, earthly level. This unfortunate condition is obvious due to his statement "In a generation or two, the US will ask..."

America, this Republic of ours, does not have another "generation or two" of existence AS WE HAVE KNOWN HER. This American Republic is currently akin to a terminal cancer patient awaiting a miracle cure. We stand at Death's (Satan's) doorstep at this very moment, and what we do as a nation 37 days from now will determine exactly how many months or years we do have left.

Posted by: Sean Osborne

at September 28, 2008 10:34 AM

Posted by: Sean Osborne

at September 28, 2008 10:35 AM

USorThem...An explanation...sort of...Racism, terrorism, jihad, and other words, are deliberately broadened to confuse the issue. That's how we get to 'one mans racist is another mans freedom fighter'.

Sometimes the dictionary solves the problem.

From dictionary.com...racism: 1. A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You notice 'freedom fighting' is not mentioned.

But those practicing 'word magick/trickery/taqiyya' might mention it, as a weapon in the
'War is deceit' toolbox.

These tricks work...that's why the clever use them. The way to get over being tricked, is to get over being tricked.

Most of the posters here have done that, they can spot taqiyya a mile away...They are not tricked by the 'Islam is a race' idea. Which is nothing more than a distraction to take Islam out of the negative spotlight...

Inability to define racism...or terrorism...
(as in the case of the UN) means that racism and terrorism will continue...this would be bad enough if it were the natural order of things, but it is not, it is deliberate.

Word magick, my definition...'an imposed state of confusion', language 'adjusted' to fit an agenda'.

Not coming soon, it's already here... :)

Posted by: duh_swami

at September 28, 2008 11:01 AM

So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’.

Those attending will be a select audience. No racist organizations will be allowed. And we will only admit parties that are solidly democratic.

So who gets to define "racist"?

It will indeed be interesting to see who is present in this "select audience", as well as who is turned away.

Posted by: PMK

at September 28, 2008 11:02 AM

What a breathtakingly articulate speech by Geert Wilders. I agree with you, Goob; it's a privilege to listen to him, or read his words. I must say, this particular speech is a succint way to introduce the concept of Islam's encroachment to the general public. As Hugh would say, print it out, but instead of sticking it on the 'fridge, pass it out; pass it on.

Since he quoted Ayn Rand once, perhaps he could pass on her following quote to the Christian-Democratic attorney general willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority.

'The right of a nation to determine its own form of government does not include the right to establish a slave society (that is, to legalize the enslavement of some men by others). There is no such thing as the right to enslave. A nation can do it, just as a man can become a criminal- but neither can do it by right.'

Said attorney general would then have to figure out the why of that statement; that's maybe too much to ask.

And if the media requires sound bites, this one is a beaut:

Israel lies on the fault line of jihad.

Posted by: Vee

at September 28, 2008 11:06 AM

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

The people who instituted such policies and those who accepted them are the ones who will have lost Europe.

You can't mention a place where FOOD is grown? So that must mean Muslims don't need to eat.

Posted by: PMK

at September 28, 2008 11:07 AM

From above: With all due respect to Geert Wilders, he is speaking from a purely secular perspective about a war, possibly the final war, whose origins are supernatural.

And what supernatural being is responsible for this?
Allah? YHVH? Lucifer?

There is a huge difference between believing in a supernatural entity, and the entity actually existing. Are you suggesting that Allah is the supernatural entity and his policy of predestination is working?

Also from above: This American Republic is currently akin to a terminal cancer patient awaiting a miracle cure".

This sounds awfully fatalistic...you mean we are terminal? There is nothing we can do?

Well what a relief, now we can go back to sleep or bowling, or whatever, we might as well enjoy ourselves if the end is that close...Thanks for sharing that...I had no idea...

Posted by: duh_swami

at September 28, 2008 11:10 AM

Neo-Nazis are pro-Islamization. They hate Jews, they hate Israel, and just like their Fuhrer, they love Islam and Muslims, and strive to create what is essentially an Islamic society.

"We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. (He is already on the way; he is like Mohammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god). That can be the historic future." - Karl Jung, The Collected Works Volume 18, The Symbolic Life (1939)

"Here was the new Koran of faith and war [Msin Kampf]: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message." - Winston Churchill on Adolf Hitler's autobiography Mein Kampf, in The Second World War, Vol. I

Posted by: jdamn

at September 28, 2008 11:16 AM

"LGF lost credibility when it became just another right wing blog"

I'm sure the typo was meant 'left wing blog' those bloggers such as Kos Kids, Huffington Post and DU etc etc which have for the last seven years thrown around the term "Bush is Hilter" and "Republicans are Nazis' and "right-wing Christians are Nazis because see... Hitler had symbol of God on German belt-buckles".

Now do you see the alliance between the Progressive Left in Europe and Islamic Sharia in Europe who are crushing those in Europe (such as Wilders and Fjordman)which are simply attempting to perserve Western (Liberal)civilization is exactly the tactic LGF employed against Wilders and Fjordman.

THe Progressive Left has never been Liberal, they are Socialist and Socialists are totalitarian by nature; as a matter of fact, the Left was the first to crush Liberalism in Europe just as the Marxists in America has been attempting to do to classical Liberalism for several decades.

The Left (the Collectivist totalitarians) in America are attempting to accomplish the same success their ideological Collectivists residing in Europe achieved, crush all dissent by any means necessary.

This is what LGF has failed to understand in this process. Simply standing up for Isreal won't stop the rise of the totaliarian Left and the totalitarian Islamist which is currently destroying of all of Europe.

The problem has moved way beyond simply saving Israel; see this is what LGF fails to understand if Europe and America fall then there is no way to save Israel.

And to think that purging the 'creationists' is somehow helpful, here's the thing...most of those 'creationists' are about the only ones remaining in America who willing to stand with Israel.

Think about this for a moment, all the left-wing religious leaders (including rabbis) are breaking bread with Ahmadinejad.

Gee.... what good can come from Schumer or Wexler or many Jewish organizations founded on the idea of protecing Israel when all they have done over the last seven years is systemically attack America, attack our military, attack right-wing religious leaders, and demoralize our presence in the world just because they wanted to destroy Bush and Republicans?

I hope this help others to understand the betrayed.

Posted by: syn

at September 28, 2008 11:20 AM

There's Geert Wilders.
Then there's Juan McCain and the Obamanation.

Posted by: interestinconundrum

at September 28, 2008 11:27 AM

Truly a great speech by Geert Wilders – best yet by a politician or even by a scholar.

There is no question that he is well-positioned to lead the emerging movement in Europe to neutralize Islam.

Quite frankly, I am not that pessimistic about defeating Islam ( :)– my forthcoming book is titled: "Defeating Political Islam").

Posted by: MoorthyM

at September 28, 2008 11:31 AM

I think we all know what will happen in the future when the Muslims are a majority.
There will be some "final solution for the Jewish problem".

May I remind everyone who is reading :

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out

Posted by: VampireJack

at September 28, 2008 11:37 AM

Thank God for Geert. He needs all the support we can offer him. He is a brave hero and the ONLY politician in Europe today who has read up and educated himself on Islam and made himself familiar with the primary texts. He knows that knowledge is power because then you can't be fooled by the taquiya of the Muslims and the wilful ignorance, the moral equivalence and poisonous self righteousness of the useful idiots. I believe he is working on another short film...this time about Mohammed. The desert psychopath is the heart of the matter and targeting him will expose Islam for the insane personality cult that it is. Something to look forward to. Meanwhile Geert, if you're reading this and ever need sanctuary in Switzerland, you're very welcome at my place.

Posted by: johndoe

at September 28, 2008 11:42 AM

"...all they have done over the last seven years is systemically attack America, attack our military, attack right-wing religious leaders, and demoralize our presence in the world just because they wanted to destroy Bush and Republicans?"

syn,
There is one problem: the people who have done this have their supporters. They WIN elections. Barring a miracle, they are likely to win the one coming up in about six weeks. The people LET them destroy Bush and the Republicans. The people LET them demonize Christians and Jews all across America. We have had three elections since 9/11. The people NEVER called them out on their tactics. They kept voting for them.

Who are the betrayed? Certainly not the people on the Left who voted for them. The rest of us can't say we were betrayed. We weren't even lied to. We just LOST.

Posted by: PMK

at September 28, 2008 11:47 AM

Wilders is that rare kind of intellectual who has both feet on the ground. It would be difficult not to be impressed by this man, whose courage, insight, intelligence and knowledge must discomfort the effete elites of Europe terribly so. Good. Such folks need to be discomforted for they are in the vanguard of those who would hand over Europe to the followers of the longest lived totalitarian ideology of all time.

I sense of man of greatness here, a Churchillian type figure. The common Dutchman has every right to be proud his nation has produced such a person. I wish Wilders well, as I'm sure many who post here do. He inspires and makes one think we can prevail against any odds.

Posted by: Wellington

at September 28, 2008 11:56 AM

What a brave man! What a visionary. I can't find one single sentence I disagree with in that speech.

Wish we had a thousand Geert Wilders. In every country.

Posted by: Martin

at September 28, 2008 12:00 PM

PMK: I agree with you. In effect, every people have the government they deserve.

Posted by: Wellington

at September 28, 2008 12:15 PM

Every sentence rings clear like Waterford crystal. He has carefully protected himself from skinhead / neo-Nazi associations and whatever else one may say - it PAYS to be morally CLEAN. As Clausewitz knew - the key to victory is not in weapons and regiments but by holding the moral high ground.

Posted by: poetcomic1

at September 28, 2008 12:20 PM

duh_swami wrote:

"And what supernatural being is responsible for this? Allah? YHVH? Lucifer?"

Lucifer, the supernatural spiritual being who rebelled against YHWH and is the true originator of Submission(Islam)and its false god "Allah." The spiritual being who nearly choked the illiterate Mohammed into Submission (Islam) and dictated the Qur'an to him was not the angel gabriel, but a spiritual impostor, possibly Lucifer himself, but certainly one of his fallen angelic followers.

Also written by duh_swami:

"Also from above: This American Republic is currently akin to a terminal cancer patient awaiting a miracle cure".

This sounds awfully fatalistic...you mean we are terminal? There is nothing we can do?"

What part of "what we do as a nation 37 days from now" (i.e. on November 4, 2008) did you fail to comprehend?

We also have the free will to call upon the one true God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel), the God who is referenced on our currency, in our founding documents and laws, and illustrated on all of our government edifices.

Posted by: Sean Osborne

at September 28, 2008 12:20 PM

Neither candidate, nor many of their loyalists, grasps what Wilders is describing. One of them has accepted the idea that Iraq is the "central front" in the war of self-defense against Jihad and believes the "surge" is "working" but to what end, and how "victory" in Iraq should be defined, he never says and cannot say, but simply takes it for granted that we will all understand that it is better that Iraq be left unified and prosperous rather than as a "failed state."

The other candidate tells us that the "central front" in the "war on terror" is not Iraq but rather Afghanistan, and we are supposed to be mightily pleased with his "realism."

The first candidate, however, does recognize that Islam is a threat, a mortal threat, to the non-Islamic world, even if he still uses such words as “extremist” and “radical” and even if he continues, irrationally, to believe that “success” in achieving the stated or hinted-at American goals Iraq can be achieved and that – and here neither he nor any of those who now claim to admit that the “surge has worked” have been asked to explain the most important thing – how that supposed “success” in Iraq will weaken the threat of Jihad in the places that really count, and above all, right now, in the conduct of Jihad in Western Europe, next to Israel, and India, the most immediately threatened part of the Infidel world – when what happens in Iraq, if it stays together and prospers, cannot conceivably mitigate the threat in Europe, will have no effect on the deployment of the Money Weapon, on campaigns of Da’wa, or on the most important weapon – the one which Wilders is consumed by (and one can just imagine what Wilders thinks of the squandering of men, money, materiel, and above all, American attention, to the war in Iraq), that is demographic conquest.

He reminds us that we, focusing idiotically on Iraq, the “central front” for McCain, or on Afghanistan/Pakistan, the “central front” for Obama, ignore these instruments of Jihad, and are seeing the historic heart of the West slip away, slowly but inexorably, while one of the candidates, a military man all his life, appears to believe that “war” is made by military means alone, which is entirely insufficient when the major instruments of Jihad (Money Weapon, Da’wa, demographic conquest) have nothing to do with, and cannot be countered by, military means), and the other candidate, deeply invested in the idea that most conflicts are the result of misunderstandings or of “poverty” (and from 9/11/2001 on he has continued to speak, or to prate self-assuredly, about how we must “reach out” to the Muslims rather than to do the more difficult, unpleasant, and indispensable thing, which is to take the contents of Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira seriously, to take Muslim beliefs seriously, and to understand that the division of the universe between Believers and Infidels is central to Islam, that the “struggle” or “Jihad” to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam is taking place wherever Muslims meet any resistance, and even in lands already dominated by Islam and ruled by Muslims, they continue to perseucate, humiliate, and sometimes murder non-Muslims (see the southern Sudan, see Pakistan, see Bangladesh, see Iraq, see Egypt, see Indoensia) when it is felt that they are behaving with insufficient submissiveness, or can be blamed for whatever goes wrong, and in Muslim states and societies, a lot goes wrong. And for personal reasons, that candidate cannot possibly recognize Islam is not merely or mainly a religion, but also a politics and a geopolitics, and he cannot – his entire being goes against it – because of his background, be fully trusted by leaders and peoples in Western Europe, who are unclear about where he stands, and whether they can level with him about the nature of the Muslim threat to the legal and political institutions, to the social arrangements, to the individual liberties, to the conduct of art and the enterprise of science, all threatened by the presence of large numbers of Muslims.

That large-scale presence of Muslims has created a situation, both for indigenous non-Muslims, and for other, non-Muslim immigrants (Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Christians from black Africa and the Caribbean, Latin American Catholics) that is more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous, than would be the case without such a large-scale Muslim presence.

Can the leaders of the Western world, those who manage to come to their senses in time, risk leveling about this with someone who bears a Muslim name and a Muslim father, even if he is, and we know he is, “not a Muslim”? Is not being a Muslim, under the circumstances, sufficient to allay fears? Barack Obama has had every chance to say something about the ideology of Islam; he has had every chance to meet with such famously articulate apostates as Ayaan Hirsi Ali. He has not said a word about the ideology of Islam that gives one confidence; he has made not a single move to meet with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or Wafa Sultan, or Ibn Warraq. In the past, in fact, he took tuition on the Middle East from Rashid Khalidi, a full-time PLO propagandist and professor (with a D.Phil. from the diploma mill for Arabs run out of St. Antony’s by the late Albert Hourani).

Nor has Obama chosen to express his opposition to the war in Iraq as one which is wrong because military invasions, occupations, and transfers of wealth to “solve” problems in Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan, the very problems that are caused by Islam itself, does not do a thing to weaken the Camp of Islam. He might have said that. He might have hinted at that. Had he done so, had he asked McCain to explain, for example, just why keeping Iraq together, or keeping Afghanistan together, or keeping Pakistan intact, and pouring two trillion dollars into the overall effort, makes sense, when it might be far better to allow the sectarian, ethnic, and economic divisions or fissures within the Camp of Islam to work their inexorable way, dividing and demoralizing the Camp of Islam, and buying time so that the peoples of Western Europe can rouse themselves (“methinks I see a puissant nation” etc.) and save themselves, merely through new immigration and naturalization policies – policies that would allow for the halting of all Muslim migration, and for expelling those incapable of truthfully swearing allegiance to the Infidel nation-state, its legal and political institutions, and for constantly monitoring those who have obtained citizenship to make sure that they are not engaged in any activities that demonstrate that they perjured themselves when they took that oath, or have had a change of heart – “reverted” to the normal understanding of Islam – and so are no longer capable of being regarded as loyal citizens of any non-Muslim nation-state. It is not wicked, but just, to take the minimum steps necessary to preserve the West, the culture and civilization of Europe. The last half-century and more of self-flagellation, by too many in the West, must come to an end, and it can come to an end, if those whose task it is to protect and instruct us knew more about their own histories and the history of the West, and were able to describe it, and to defend it – not defend some transient thing, such as the untrammeled grotesque version of hyper-capitalism we have permitted, nor to defend the indefensible cheesiness of so much that goes on – that is, defend what is best and what is lasting and what needs to be preserved, and to preserve as well the conditions that permit more to be added to that civilizational store, despite everything, by others in the future.

Posted by: Hugh

at September 28, 2008 12:35 PM

Obviously there is some sort of manichean thinking going around with some people. LGF has degnerated into just another talk show type right wing blog. That hardly is an endorsement of Kos, but the truth. So they are going to spin things in way that suits the US political landscape without taking into account any sort of world view beyond an utterly childish and ignorant one. As far as Neo Nazis behind the Islamicization of Europe, please don't make me laugh. BNP anyone? Are most Muslims or Arabs white nordic races? Just because Hitler was willing to use some Muslims, with mutual Jew hatred as common ground, it hardly means there was anything more to their relationship.
Europe has to foster some sort of friendly nationalism, where countries can build some self pride based on ethnic heritage, but not in an offensive, expansionist kind. So they can tell someone, "you are welcome here as guests, but we are not going to let you settle here and change our country in a way we disapprove".

Posted by: MorrisMinor

at September 28, 2008 1:02 PM

"We also have the free will to call upon the one true God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel), the God who is referenced on our currency, in our founding documents and laws, and illustrated on all of our government edifices."
Posted by: Sean Osborne

Sean, I envy you your faith, I truly do. But we can't wait for God to save us. We have to do it ourselves.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

at September 28, 2008 1:08 PM

Shame on America for not having a single politician who will stand up in public and say what Geert Wilders said.

Posted by: DenverRodeo

at September 28, 2008 1:15 PM

Blown away!
Reading this poem made me glow.
After years of wondering where the man of the hour was, I now know.
Many people reading this will have talked to their friends about the threat and been dismissed.
My message to you is to be a bore, to tell the facts, again, and again, and again.
I will.

Posted by: popey1

at September 28, 2008 1:18 PM

What defines a racist?? Talk to 100 people and they will all come up with a different answer. Why is it verbotten to be a racist?? Does it stem from guilt? From not wanting to be thought of as a racist? Racist is a bad word in America, since the 60's. If because I stand up and say that the Islamofacists are a danger in our county does that make me a racist? I don't think so. People that use the word racist against other people do it because that word usually ends the discussion. Well, if it's racist to speak one's mind about these terrorist, then I guess I am. It has nothing to do with their race, because Islam is a religion.

Go Geert!!! You da man.

Posted by: gymgal

at September 28, 2008 2:03 PM

Morrisminor,

You say "Europe has to foster some sort of friendly nationalism, where countries can build some self pride based on ethnic heritage, but not in an offensive, expansionist kind. "

No, the self-pride must be developed based on a cultural heritage, and ideological heritage. If it's superiority is based on factors that are not one's fault, like the color of their skin, then guess what? That is "racism." If the superiority is based on things one has control over, such as their world view (that yes, one generally inherits, but is not inevitable) then that allows anyone who wishes to share that worldview a place at the table.

If the "skin-heads" reject a me OR a muslim based on racist factors, they can go to hell. If they could keep it ideological, then fine, but they can't as they are "white-skin supremacists" and they do not and never will have my support.

Posted by: claire

at September 28, 2008 2:10 PM

Hey Obama and McCain...have you read the words of this man and how do you respond?.

Posted by: pulsar182 at September 28, 2008 9:43 AM

"We're working with our Saudi partners against extremeists who have hijacked islam, which is a peaceful religon from which millions of good people around the world, take comfort. We have made good progress, and will continue to work for peace."

Words to that effect or some other meaningless string of letters and phrases.

They are after all "presidential candidates" first and foremost; don't expect substance from such empty suits.

Posted by: witness

at September 28, 2008 2:34 PM

Hey Obama and McCain...have you read the words of this man and how do you respond?.

Posted by: pulsar182 at September 28, 2008 9:43 AM

Words to that effect or some other meaningless string of letters and phrases.

They are after all "presidential candidates" first and foremost; don't expect substance from such empty suits.

Posted by: witness

at September 28, 2008 2:34 PM

Gert eloquently makes one of the most important points that needs to be made in order to keep people on track, so they do not loose the point of the overall message. There are liberal Muslims, but there is no such a thing as liberal Islam. This really helps to clarify things at the initial stages of a conversation on this subject. It defuses all sorts of diffusive counter points, which makes getting to the point difficult. Gert has mastered this, it is an art form to be able to construct this message, as you deconstruct the speech codes we live under. Gert has become a Jedi Master of speech code deconstruction.

Posted by: ethoman

at September 28, 2008 2:37 PM

Mr. Wilders should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Thanks you so much for telling and bringing the TRUTH about islam to our shores, and elsewhere. There is no negotiating with islam, only DEATH if you do not convert or subvert yourself to horrible dhummi way of life. Everythinhg he has stated is true!

Posted by: PatriotUSA

at September 28, 2008 2:51 PM

Sean Osborne...Well at least you cleared up which of the many supernatural entities you could have been referring to.

So you believe that Mohammad really was visited by a real live demon (possibly Lucifer) posing as Gabriel, and that this same demon possessed him many times after, while he (the demon) dictated the Quran.

Do you believe that Allah is God? Is/was Mohammad his messenger? Did he really take that night flight to the furthest mosque?

Methinks you are giving Mohammad way to much credit for honesty, and credibility.

As far as: What part of "what we do as a nation 37 days from now" (i.e. on November 4, 2008) did you fail to comprehend?

I failed to comprehend nothing, but I am definitely not as pessimistic as you seem to be.

I don't buy into fatalism or predestination.
Islam can be defeated and we don't need supernatural entities to do it for us.

Posted by: duh_swami

at September 28, 2008 2:57 PM

Islam can be defeated and we don't need supernatural entities to do it for us.
-duh_swami

Absolutely. Problem is, we also need the will to fight and the courage of our own convictions and both seem to be in short supply. We run away from our history instead of embracing it. Our history includes more than slavery but that's all our enemies focus on and we let them. It's as if the sin of slavery (even though it was universal) means we deserve whatever happens to us now.

Two words can shut us up: racist and hypocrite.

Our determination to avoid those two appellations makes the perfect the enemy of the good. Since fighting jihad means some innocent people will die, fighting jihad makes us the equivalent of the terrorists. Look at the Marines. If one person who is not a jihadist dies, they can be up on charges. And if one person who is not a jihadist dies, that means America hates Islam. We are not perfect and since we will never be perfect, we can never be good.

Posted by: PMK

at September 28, 2008 3:26 PM

Too little too late, are words that sadly leap to mind. Mr Wilders does give some reasons for hope, but he is too intelligent to be easily optimistic.

The struggle, against our own weakness and decrepitude as much as against the enemy, may avail nothing. But lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for. At least we have Geert Wilders and his like-minded associates and supporters, at least they are trying. Perhaps there isn't NO chance.

I am happy to point out that much of what Mr Wilders says in this speech I have heard from Robert Spencer and Hugh Fitzgerald. The word is out, and invaluable people are doing the work.

Posted by: Novalis

at September 28, 2008 3:55 PM

Great speech by Wilders. My only criticism of his speech - holding Gandhi up as an example to be emulated.

This December a conference will take place in Jerusalem. Thanks to Professor Aryeh Eldad, a member of Knesset, we will be able to watch Fitna in the Knesset building and discuss the jihad.

While they are into movies, they should add 'Islam: What the West needs to know' and 'Obsession' in the viewing list.

Posted by: Infidel Pride

at September 28, 2008 4:33 PM

PMK: Two words can shut us up: racist and hypocrite.

Well, I agree with what you wrote except that,
being called a racist, hypocrite, warmongering, fearmongering, intolerant bigot never shut me up. It makes me talk more...

Posted by: duh_swami

at September 28, 2008 4:36 PM

duh_swami wrote:

"So you believe that Mohammad really was visited by a real live demon (possibly Lucifer) posing as Gabriel, and that this same demon possessed him many times after, while he (the demon) dictated the Quran."

Yes, exactly. And it was Egyptian-born Dr. Labib Mikhail who brought this fact to light. Google him and learn more.

"Do you believe that Allah is God?"

What part of "Lucifer, the supernatural spiritual being who rebelled against YHWH and is the true originator of Submission(Islam)and its false god "Allah." did you not understand? Is it not crystal clear to you when I use the words "false god "Allah" that I do not believe God and Allah are the same spiritual being, that one is diametrcially opposed to the other?

"Is was Mohammad his messenger?"

Mohammed was the messenger of Lucifer, in the guise of the false god "Allah".

"Did he really take that night flight to the furthest mosque?"

No.

"I failed to comprehend nothing..."

Apparently you fail to understand a great deal regarding the spiritual origins of this war, this is apparent in the questions you have asked of me.

"I don't buy into fatalism or predestination."

Neither do I. In my experience the term "fatalism' is used by more than a few left-of-center ideologues to describe spiritual truths regarding what the true sovereign God has determined to do in the establishment of His Kingdom on this Earth.

"Islam can be defeated and we don't need supernatural entities to do it for us."

Wrong. No human being or group of human beings irregadless of numbers can defeat Lucifer and his legion of demons in their agenga without the power of Jesus Christ leading them.

This is a spiritual war at its core, and will be resolved on the spiritual level before mankind can annihilate itself on our plane of existence. Again, this is the core idea within my original post, it is not understood by Geert Wilders any more than it is understood by yourself or other secular human beings.

Posted by: Sean Osborne

at September 28, 2008 4:39 PM

Leftists, liberals and Christian-Democrats are now all in bed with Islam.

Not all of us. I'm very liberal and I don't bow to any conservative religion, and Islam is about as conservative as a religion can get. My theory on why so many liberals are so friendly towards Islam is that it's a knee-jerk response to Christianity. Too many Christians throughout history have tried to suppress freedom (particularly when it comes to sexuality) so some liberals are automatically embracing any group that is a powerful enemy of Christianity, while apparently missing the fact that Islam is even more unfriendly towards freedom than Christianity currently is. If these liberals were smarter they'd embrace Satanism or something instead (now there's a philosophy that embraces freedom), but knee-jerk reactions are very human I suppose.

Rest assured, however, that some of us liberals still stand for freedom and will never submit, be it to Allah or to anyone else for that matter.

Posted by: The Christian Heretic

at September 28, 2008 4:46 PM

Kudos to Geert Wilders.

An honest man is always a plague to fools, thieves and deceivers.

May his Kevlar be the best and his voice reach the widest audience.

Islam is an anti-Constitutional, anti-human rights conspiracy to establish a global theocratic tyranny.

Saying this is only considered gauche by cowards.

Rail on, Geert!

Posted by: profitsbeard

at September 28, 2008 4:59 PM

while apparently missing the fact that Islam is even more unfriendly towards freedom than Christianity currently is.

while apparently missing the fact that Islam is even more unfriendly towards freedom than Christianity ever was

Perhaps that's more like it. Christianity, even during the dark days of the Inquisition, was never as bad as what Islam is today and will be for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683

at September 28, 2008 5:02 PM

I am Spartac....I mean... I am Geert Wilders!

Great posts Hugh and everyone.
If Mr.Wilders (Michael Corleone) should be shot in the head by a policeman, or hang himself in his jail cell, or if he should be struck by a bolt of lightning, then I do not forgive. I intend to hold some people responsible. I promise this, on the day of my daughters' wedding. Grazie.

Posted by: No More Ham, Ed

at September 28, 2008 5:27 PM

while apparently missing the fact that Islam is even more unfriendly towards freedom than Christianity ever was

Perhaps that's more like it. Christianity, even during the dark days of the Inquisition, was never as bad as what Islam is today and will be for the foreseeable future.

Many Christians have burned people at the stake (often other Christians) for presuming to have the freedom to believe what they want and for preaching what they believe publicly (or even privately), and there is no doubt in my mind that there are many Christians alive today who would be happy to pick that practice up again if they could get away with it. No, not all Christians are like that (obviously, since I'm a Christian and have no interest in murder), in fact it's unlikely that even most Christians are like that (and it certainly goes against any teachings of the New Testament), but many have been like that.

I guess my point is that we need to make sure that in opposing dangerous ideologies like Islam we don't end up empowering other groups with unfriendly feelings towards freedom themselves. Sure, not every conservative is for burning heretics like myself at the stake for holding unorthodox views, or for stoning liberals like myself for what they believe to be sinful behavior; but even without the homicidal tendencies of some conservatives, too many are still for the restriction of too many freedoms (in some states you have laws against sex toys, you have blue laws in many states, and many conservatives would love to see pornography and any form of what they consider to be sexual deviance (strip clubs, swinging, polyamory, homosexuality, and even premarital sex) banned from the country, not to mention the common conservative desire to criminalize abortion). In the end, the reason I'm liberal is because I believe in freedom (as long as that freedom isn't restricting someone else's freedom).

Posted by: The Christian Heretic

at September 28, 2008 5:30 PM

Sean: mankind can annihilate itself on our plane of existence. Again, this is the core idea within my original post, it is not understood by Geert Wilders any more than it is understood by yourself or other secular human beings.

So you are the only one who understands these lofty concepts...congratulations, must be an avatar.

Tell all that fairy tail stuff to someone who has not studied demonology and angelology.

You are giving Islam far more credit than it deserves.

You apparently give credibility to Mohammad. He was the only one who ever saw or heard Allah or Gabriel.
Everything you believe to be true about his Gabriel demonic possessions, you know from the lips of Mohammad. Aisha even said that Mohammad saw things she did not.
If Mohammad did not take that night trip, he was either lying about it or hallucinating, either is possible, neither is credible. If he was lying about that, why give him credibility about the rest?
If Mohammad told me he had egg for breakfast, and there was egg on his tie, I still would not believe him.
If Mohammad was alive today, would you buy a used car from him? Why not, he's credible.

'Lucifer' means 'light bringer'. I don't think Lucifer, disguised as Gabriel, brought any light with him when he showed up with Islam in his pocket. In reality I don't think he showed up at all. Gabriel is a lie, Allah is a fake. Mohammad made it up with a little help from his mortal friends.

Your particular point of view might go over better with people who know of the supernatural, but are afraid of it. If you could enlighten them, you might actually create some convictions and courage, that we have a short supply of, as PMK points out above.

I bet your church, if you have one, has lots of like minded, but lost souls, that you could enlighten about Islam and Lucifer's plans. I hope you're explaining it to them as well as you have explained it here...

Posted by: duh_swami

at September 28, 2008 6:03 PM

Mr. Wilder's speech should be heard or read by every American, before it's too late for us. He is being honest in a way that most other Europeans seem to be incapable of right now. His descriptions of the neighborhoods that have been taken over by Islamics and the effects on the societies on a small neighborhood level, is one concrete example that he gives, and serves to "bring it home." After reading his descriptions, I have a feeling we are going to have even more immigrants - Europeans who are fleeing their Islamified countries. We just might be "the last man standing."

Posted by: charlie

at September 28, 2008 7:09 PM

"In the end, the reason I'm liberal is because I believe in freedom (as long as that freedom isn't restricting someone else's freedom)."

I know, right? How dare those selfish conservative Christian bastards implore people to have sex responsibly and allow unborn human beings the time, space and freedom to be born.

What you should have said is "I believe in someone else's freedom as long as that freedom isn't restricting me doing whatever I want."

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader

at September 28, 2008 7:35 PM

It will be the men and women who understand freedom, and Islam's antithesis to freedom, who will take back Europe from Islam, one vote at a time, while there is still time to vote, before it is outlawed by Sharia. Either that or Europe turns into the northern continent's Somalia. I give it two decades, and the warlord Mohammet's cruel and unusual punishment war codex will be banned, and outlawed. Of this I have no doubt. Islam is dead. It has no place in the 21st century.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours

at September 28, 2008 8:14 PM

being called a racist, hypocrite, warmongering, fearmongering, intolerant bigot never shut me up. It makes me talk more...

duh_swami,

Glad to hear it. I was speaking more generally. We don't have too many leaders who are willing to risk those words being applied to them.
The same can be said of many Westerners who don't want to risk doing anything that might be considered politically incorrect.
"Hypocrite" can be kryptonite to a politician.
"Racist" most certainly is.
Whether or not the labels are valid doesn't matter. Many of us would take these accusations as a badge of honor but those who seek to lead us run away from the truth if there is the slightest chance someone can look at their positions and call them racist or hypocritical.
It's a reflection of what we consider to be important. Political correctness is everything to a whole lot of people.

Posted by: PMK

at September 28, 2008 8:28 PM

Can anyone find a link to this claim? "San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now." This is astonishing. I need to be able to provide links to this data, and I can't find it.

Posted by: ethoman

at September 28, 2008 8:55 PM

poetcomic1 at September 28, 2008 12:20 PM:
"He has carefully protected himself from skinhead / neo-Nazi associations"

Exactly. Unfortunately we still see posters that think you can fight fascism with fascists. People that feel that nazi and white power symbolism is 'silly' and merely 'not pure'. People proclaiming that they stand with Wilders. However, they can be sure that Wilders is not on their side, as he has said many times in the past. Were that to change, I would never consider voting for him again. Because there is no difference between green fascism and brown fascism.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld

at September 28, 2008 9:12 PM

I know, right? How dare those selfish conservative Christian bastards implore people to have sex responsibly and allow unborn human beings the time, space and freedom to be born.

What you should have said is "I believe in someone else's freedom as long as that freedom isn't restricting me doing whatever I want."

As I said, I believe in freedom for everyone as long as it's not restricting anyone else's freedom. If you're not for freedom yourself I'm sure there's a mosque or Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church around somewhere you could find. :)

Posted by: The Christian Heretic

at September 28, 2008 9:50 PM

Sean, Please lighten up on your tone. I agree with you on the spiritual/supernatural aspect of this very possibly being the beginning of the end. I've been reading what those who study prophecy have to say. My study has given me, as it should all believers, peace in spite of the insanity that's taking place. If God is controlling all this, let Him. We do need to remain vigilant in our spiritual as well as civic reponsibilities. I don't think He intends us to take this Satanic onslaught laying down, as I believe you don't. However, we need duh Swami and all these wonderful and intelligent JWers to fight along side us. I've learned a huge amount about Islam and intelligent, effective argument from those here and would gladly count them as friends (anonymous as they may be).

Posted by: Tick

at September 28, 2008 9:53 PM

What Guts He Has! Truth-Telling is difficult and -- in the case of Islam -- dangerous work. We all owe a debt to this brave man standing up against the pernicious Islamization of Europe.

Posted by: alexon

at September 28, 2008 10:23 PM

PMK, I am a racist and a hypocrite, by most people's standards...I have been reading this while listening to, and enjoying, Sudanese Sufi music...(their crazy religion has given rise to some beautiful cultural traditions.)I don't think we should accept immigrants from countries (races) which have a grudge against us historically; it is asking for trouble, especially as most of those cultures are "revenge" cultures. That makes me 'racist" apparently but I don't care. We should be allowed to think of self-preservation, surely! I am amazed how many people think that we should accept hostile immigrants despite their hostility...because of historical "wrongs" we should allow them in to punish us. Do we really want this kind of future for our children?

Posted by: PG

at September 28, 2008 10:54 PM

Can anyone think of anyone in government in the USA who's remotely on the level of Wilders?

Regarding the discussion in the comments above about circus right and circus left, I'm neither left nor right: I'm a fiscal conservative, socially libertarian, and commonsensitarian on Islam and its dangers. Meaning that I started reading after 9/11 and recognize Islam for what it is, totalitarianism masquerading as religion.

Back to right versus left, when the right disagrees with me, they blog about what an idiot I am. Which is fine. I'm all for free speech, providing I don't have to pay for the bandwidtch. On the other side of the aisle, recently had the "progressives" dub me "racist" because I didn't speak in approved progressive-speak, meaning I dared criticize the fact that there are large number of unwed teen mothers who happen to be black, and suggested that leaders in the black community should speak up about this. Anyway, the left, through a particularly juvenile website, sent over hundreds of people to disrupt my comments and ask "Are you a tranny." One of them was supposed to be minding a government satellite for the NOAA at the time he was posting that.

My lesson in who are the real fascist thugs has been instructive.

Posted by: Amy Alkon

at September 28, 2008 10:55 PM

Christian Heretic, you're such a hypocrite. If you believe in the right to an abortion you believe in the right to withhold freedom from a significant amount of the population, over 50,000,000 people since 1973 in the U.S. alone. That's roughly 1/6 of our present population. The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are enshrined in our Declaration of Independence. As Americans we say we hold those beliefs to be dear, but apparently some of us only hold them dear if they don't interfere with our own selfishness.

It's really so similar to the slavery issue. A group of people wanted to live a certain lifestyle, which required a labor intensive system to create wealth so they got together and made an agreement that certain individuals were not quite completely human and therefore were allowed to be enslaved so that the people doing the enslaving could enjoy the fruits of their slaves' labor. This issue was not originally addressed in our Constitution so it was allowed to go on for another century with the people doing the enslaving highly motivated to keep the system in place. It was the same system that William Wilberforce fought against and eventually eradicated in England. Many people knew the system was wrong but because it supported the local economy the slaveholders reaping the benefit of someone else's forced labor weren't about to free the slaves. They had a selfish interest in keeping the laborers down and enslaved.

Fast forward to the 20th Century. The pill comes along around 1960. Women are told they can be just like men and have sex whenever they want to, only women aren't just like men. They embrace the Sexual Revolution anyway and soon find out that in order to make this system foolproof, they have to have a back up plan in case they have an "oops". So in 1973, the "right" to an abortion becomes part of our Constitution. And we're back to the same old concept of one group desiring to live a certain way and betraying another group in order to keep their "right" to do what they want.

Human conception is such an inconvenient thing when you want to be able to screw with no consequences, but alas, biology shows us that it will happen as humans and human nature render even the best laid plans not quite foolproof. Once people embraced the concept of "A Woman's Right to Choose," a masterful piece of marketing that Bernard Nathanson, one of the founders of NARAL admitted was created as a slogan aimed at advertising the idea to women (and one he now regrets,) it took off. Then Planned Parenthood introduced it into the public school system and offered free contraceptives to teenagers who were "going to do it anyway" (talk about marketing) and we have another entrenched system that oppresses one group to the advantage of another. Only there are even more victims here: the children who are cast aside like yesterday's trash because, after all, they "aren't quite human"...just a lump of flesh; the women who are tricked into thinking that an abortion will solve their problems but become enslaved themselves the second the abortion is performed and the guilt of killing their own child attaches to them like a heavy ball and chain, many time not to be eradicated until several decades of silent suffering later. There are the dads that want the child but don't have any say because, after all, a woman has a right to do what she wants with her own body. There are also many young men who see some girl in a bar or even their girlfriends as some sort of sperm receptacle, to be filled and, if impregnated, later emptied via abortion with no consideration for her feelings. And all this is in the name of a technical legality.

So it's legal, so what? You know damned good and well it's immoral, just like slavery was in the U.S. a century and a half ago and is in Arab countries now. And honestly, why be so bent about Islam and what it does to people's lives if what abortion does to people's lives is irrelevant? Same human beings, same destruction, same lack of freedom, different situation.

I've often wondered if the Civil War was not a punishment for slavery, since the South was enslaved itself after it fell to the Federalists; a punishment fits the crime scenario. Could the rapid spread of Islam be a punishment for abortion? Let's see, women raped with impunity, enslaved in jails and accused of adultery, a crime punishable by death in Muslim countries. Women forced into loveless marriages and forced to accomodate horny husbands whenever the urge hits him. Having one baby after another, year in and year out for the Jihad, not even allowed out of the house unless accompanied by a male relative; (talk about slavery.) Innocent little girls raped and forced into marriage with men old enough to be their fathers or grandfathers. Little boys raped for pleasure. The systematic brainwashing of over a billion people on the planet by a political system that is enforced by terror and masquerades as a religion. Women not allowed to think, work or wear what they want and thought police who beat or kill and family members who beat or kill any woman who get out of line. No sexual freedom, forced motherhood, forced sex whenever someone else wants it, carrying every baby his religion and desire demands. Gosh, where is the woman's right to choose?

Freedom isn't free if it only applies to certain people who have made an agreement to enslave others in order to ensure their own, whether it be sexual or economic freedom. Freedom is a right that belongs to everyone, unless some other group decides to come along and take it away and use it for themselves. Isn't that the main reason we gather here and fight against Islam, to promote and protect everyones'freedom?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader

at September 28, 2008 11:12 PM

I love Geert Wilders to death, and if the Jordanians ever come after him he can come stay with me in Indiana, sexy bitch that he is. The thing that scares me about the Geert Wilders phenomenon is his ordinariness. I mean, he's obviously very charming and has a gift for oration and all, but what does it say about this world that we're all praying at the altar of Geert Wilders simply because he's honest and speaks openly about simple facts? He's not Oriana Fallaci, nor does he have any really revolutionary ideas. What he believes is actually completely intuitive, and it all comes down to good vs. evil, smart vs. stupid, sink vs. swim. Of course, being ordinary and rational and honest aren't even values in America anymore, and even less so in Europe. The fact that we're even discussing the anti-jihad movement being hijacked by racists? I didn't know there were racists in this world - except for people who hate Jews, Muslims of course, especially Arab Muslims, and Black and Hispanic supremacists - until a couple of months ago. In Western Europe no less.

Can it really be that the whole world is really this crazy? Or is it just Europe, with its suicidal welfare state, socialist/fascist factions, and basic deathwish no matter how you slice it? Seriously, every political party that doesn't hinge on anti-jihadism in Europe is rooted in a deathwish, be it socialist, communist, fascist, racist, or just the let's-slit-our-own-throats-with-multiculturalism crowd. And they think that having MUSLIM working class is going to keep those welfare checks coming? Are all the sane Americans in Iraq? I'm not even just scared of Muslim immigration. I'm scared that the Muslims are going to run the Europeans out of Europe and that they'll all come here and bring their socialist entitlement, their crappy tips, and their pathetic political parties, not unlike the Muslims, who think that it's 'circumstances' that led to their societal failure and not their inability to function as upwardly mobile people. But the Europeans CAN function. They just choose to shoot themselves in the foot anyway. Geert Wilders is their best hope.

“This is our country. We’re the bosses. These are our values. If you want to come and stay that‘s okay, but only if you adhere to our values, our principles, our laws, and our Constitution…We must stop being tolerant toward people who show no tolerance toward us.”

“I hate political correctness…I am not a cultural relativist. I don‘t believe that cultures are equal. I believe that our culture is far better than the retarded Islamic culture. I believe that we are that which is prized.” -Geert Wilders

Posted by: jdamn

at September 28, 2008 11:13 PM

Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs has a couple of interviews with Geert. Watch it and you'll see what he's got that makes the difference. He appears to be able to say that the emperor has no clothes on and the more important ability to make other people take a look and actually see it for what it is.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/the-atlas-inter.html

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader

at September 28, 2008 11:38 PM

These may be the statistical models Geert Wilders is referring to.

http://www.hellenicnews.com/readnews.html?newsid=4065&lang=US

http://www.demokritos.org/specterinmigration.pdf

both were written in the mid-late 90's. This is the best I can come up with, if you need them as references, they are very interesting reading considering he wrote this stuff before this idea was a twinkle in the eye of the global consciousness.

Posted by: ethoman

at September 28, 2008 11:48 PM

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Geert Wilders and others, such as JW's Robert Spencer, are blowing the alarm. But the real problem is not individual Muslims per se, this is evidently clear, but those whose Islam makes them into Shariaists. There had been 'exclusion' laws in the past, where immigration from undesirable countries, such as the old Communist world or Nazi Germany, is severely restricted or forbidden. What the world needs now to combat the Shariaist tendencies of Muslims who buy into the Caliphate rule, which is the fascist rule Wilders and other alarm sounders talk about, whether green or brown fascism, in this case Sharia fascism, is to pass new 'exclusion' laws to either jettison those Shariaists already here, or to prevent immigration of those whose sentiments would overturn our free constitutional governments and human rights. It is a fairly simple thing to do, and the MSM and PC crowd be damned. We are not alive as free men and women for their amusement, and until and unless the criminally enslaving prejudicial bigoted mindset of Shariaists is called to account for their total control belief system, in violation of all our liberal and libertarian ideals, there is no possibility of a civil resolution to this invasion by Sharia Islamists, those who had settled here to dominate and not be dominated. The call to alarm give a clear venue for what needs to be done here. Restrict Shariaist immigration, same as the old Communist and Nazi immigrations, and expel those whose sympathies lie with Sharia rule rather than rule of constitutional law. This is the next necessary step. Shariaists must be banned.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours

at September 28, 2008 11:51 PM

Here is the home page. For the think tank I was referring to. http://www.demokritos.org/index.html

I'm not too sure how this relates to San Diego University, but some of the members are related to that institution.

Posted by: ethoman

at September 29, 2008 12:19 AM

I was just thinking if we could link the figures from articles and such. Here is what I could find in a nutshell. http://www.demokritos.org/specterinmigration.pdf this was presented to the EU in 97, here is an article from 95 http://www.hellenicnews.com/readnews.html?newsid=4065&lang=US. Here are several more recent articles, which digest the data in a more contemporary fashion: http://www.globalpolitician.com/22664-multiculturalism part 2: http://www.globalpolitician.com/22670-multiculturalism . I am not a demographic expert, but it is sure nice to have references to back yourself up. The antiquity of the early documents produced by this think tank for the EU http://www.demokritos.org/index.html lend great relevance to the links. Anyways I have spent hours researching it, hope it is accurate.

Posted by: ethoman

at September 29, 2008 12:35 AM

DenverRodeo wrote: "Shame on America for not having a single politician who will stand up in public and say what Geert Wilders said."

Yes! So why don't SOME OF US start running for offices. We read these stories and complain, but that doesn't accomplish anything. Start a third party if that's what it takes.

Posted by: jeffalbertson

at September 29, 2008 12:46 AM

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
- Pope Urban II

Posted by: feralcat9

at September 29, 2008 3:12 AM

It is ironic that Wilders should quote Churchill, who in 1954 said:

Problems will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK?

In today's politically correct regime, where uncomfortable truths are suppressed rather than debated, Churchill would be deemed a neo-Nazi.

Had Churchill been a politician with such views today there is absolutely no way that he would be invited to the Jerusalem conference.

Posted by: watling