I know there are people writing telling the newspapers 'thank you' for supporting free speech, truth, open debate, and 'thank you' for warning and alerting about the dangers of radical Islam and the treatment of religious minorities in Muslim-dominated areas and countries. I know this because I wrote my newspaper that carried Obessession and thanked them. I would also urge all of you to do the same.

Posted by: TS at October 4, 2008 8:51 AM

"This is definitely the most feedback that I've gotten to an ad," said Ted Vaden, public editor for The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C. "It's among the heaviest reaction I've gotten to anything. The great majority of the reaction was negative."

No doubt local Muslims and their supporters have been enaged full-time in organizing such a
reaction, busily organizing a write-in campagin of denunication and horror. But on the other side, among the millions of recipients of this DVD, any favorable opinion is likely to be kept to oneself; there was no organized effort to write in praise of the DVD, and very likely many who found it enlightening would hardly wish to broadcast that fact, so fearful are some of anything to do with Islam. Many recipients may not have watched the DVD. But many millions of others will, perhaps not at once but later, do so. Among them, for some it will have no effect, but for others, who see it, re-see it, take the time to take it in, the effect may be a slow one, a kind of delayed-capsule effect, and the movie may mark the beginning of a mental awakening, or confirmation of suspicions, pushing someone further along in their understanding. , not the end of it -- and of the 28 million recipients, many millions were clearly not at all angry, and many have been quietly relieved to at long last be given something that is not the apologist gunk they have been subjected to, and that makes no sense, in light of the day's daily Jihad news, from around the world.

Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2008 9:26 AM

Vaden said the paper received about 500 e-mail and phone messages and had some 50 cancellations.

and

Dozens of people protested outside The Oregonian's offices on Monday, the morning after the Portland, Ore., newspaper carried the DVD. One said he canceled his subscription.

Dozens protested . . .two, three dozen? Would love to see a picture of the uh, 'crowd'. Dare you print it?

The AP reports "50" plus "1" cancelled newspaper subscriptions.

That leaves well over 27.9 million satisfied customers!!!

Well done Clarion!!

Posted by: miira at October 4, 2008 9:43 AM

>>>

Dozens protested . . .two, three dozen? Would love to see a picture of the uh, 'crowd'. Dare you print it?

The AP reports "50" plus "1" cancelled newspaper subscriptions.

That leaves well over 27.9 million satisfied customers!!!

Well done Clarion!!

Posted by: miira

>>>

LOL,, this is exactly what I was thinking,, miira!!

I think the thing that confuses me the most about this fight with the "medeival dark ages",,

is,,

The west's total DENIAL of the truth. They see the barbarity,, day by day,, as the body counts rise,, and they still cannot get a BACKBONE, to name the enemy.

Even when they see the historical FACTS,, about what that hateful belief system did and IS doing in the world.

I wonder what these fools will do,, when the medieval "religion", has the sword of convert or die to their throats.

I think they will all cave, force their women and children to 2nd class citizens, they will surrender, their cowardly skins to these monsters.

And their women are even worse,, hypocrites to all the advances us women,,have made in the West. They can walk freely down the streets, but don't have the PARTS to fight for these same rights for other women on this planet.

I am starting to really dislike these types of people, they are cowards, too lazy to study the true reasons for this 3rd jihad scrouge on our planet.

I am starting to feel they are TRAITORS to our ADVANCED civilization.

They do not understand anything about this CLASH of barbarism against more evolved civilization.

Screw multiculturalism,,

I refuse to embrace a culture that stones people to death.

I refuse to embrace a culture that treats women like domestic animals.

I refuse to embrace a culture, that forces little girls to marry old perverted men.

I refuse to embrace a culture, that sells little girls off with a dowry.

I refuse to embrace a culture, that honor kills their own children.

I refuse to embrace a culture, that marries off girls in arranged marriages against the girls will.

I refuse to embrace a culture, that cuts off limbs from opposite sides.

I refuse to embrace a culture, that thinks a sick, psyhopathic mass murderer is the perfect example of the best human being on this planet.

I refuse to embrace a culture, that believes in multiple wives,, (if us women could have multiple husbands, mebee, I'd change my mind on this one,, BEG!!)

Flat out,, I resent that our stuffed suit politicians,, have FORCED these primitive people upon us.

I have no problem with the ones, who do not shove their screwed up medieval belief system in other's faces. They keep religion inside their minds,, where it's supposed to STAY, they are fine.

But the PIOUS ones,, I flat out refuse to embrace that fricked up belief system,, and that's to the pain of death,, if need be.

*That goes for any religion*

)0(
So Mote It Be

solsticewitch13
HD4EVR

religion was made
inside the

human brain,

keep it THERE!!!
cos,, ALOT of us,
just don't wanna hear
your crap 'bout it.

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at October 4, 2008 10:19 AM

LOL,, and I just stopped at TROP,, and by cracky,, here is a CLASSIC example of a stupid ignorant western woman,, who,, I consider a traitor, and a threat to my own personal freedom as a north american woman,,

LOL,, here is our Dhimwhit, of the month,,,,

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Dhimwits.htm

solsticewitch13
don't annoy the bikers
it's a islam free zone

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at October 4, 2008 10:29 AM

"What will you enclose next? KKK robes?"

Too heavy, unless they're made of Tyvek, with any patches or emblems drawn on, rather than sewn. Then there's the question of advising the public where the Klosest Klavern is...

Seriously--These people are such fools. They've been given a gift of something that might help them to survive, once more than the nose of the camel can be seen. In fact, this gift may stop the camel at the tent flap, if used correctly.

Most of them are self-loathing types, ashamed to be American, and/or ashamed to be caucasians. Or they're African Americans, ashamed that they want to go ahead and make a good life for themselves, though their ancestors were slaves, and suffered at the hands of America, back in the bad old days. (Newsflash for the latter--your ancestors would want you to go for it!)

Oh, the shame! Isn't it nice to have someone else to accuse, rather than one's self?

I wonder if they take the time and effort to write to each sender of junk mail that comes out of their boxes. Do they write to the paper for publishing a sports section, because some people can't abide reading about sports?

Use your heads, idiots! If you don't want the DVD, throw it out! Problem solved.

Posted by: Abscedere at October 4, 2008 10:42 AM

"Flat out, I resent that our stuffed suit politicians, have FORCED these primitive people upon us." --solsticewitch

"Primitive" is exactly right. Whatever happened to "Throw the bums out?"

Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2008 10:54 AM

If the objectors can organise protests such as these concerning the distribution of this DVD then it doesn’t take a huge leap of thought to consider why they do not follow through with a protest over the malevolent preaching contained in the damn thing.
Oh I forgot, it’s haram to condemn fellow Muslims when the infidel is involved.
Islam is peace but it has no concept of irony, which is a good thing.

I seriously wonder at times at the continuous and blatant inconsistency shown by the followers and apologists who in this instance are happy to ‘shoot the messenger’ rather than tackle the ‘message’ and that message just happens to contradict the popular concept that Islam means peace.
What conclusion should one arrive at? Perhaps they are so full of hate, spite and malice toward the infidel that it matters very little to them what the message says, just that we should not be hearing it, at this time, but allah willing we’ll be hearing it later up close.

The fact remains that Muslims are seen to protest loudly over issues which are raised by infidels that put Islam in a bad light, but do not protest when it is Muslims who are actively denigrating the ‘religion’. Though it should be noted, the poor buggers would never be off the streets protesting the latter. Another matter which has come to my attention is the occasional occurrence in court cases where the defendant is found to be mentally unstable whilst jihading for all he is worth. Is there something about Islam that drives one mad? Perhaps it’s all the inconsistencies. Must be really hard to keep up with it all when you are banging your head off the floor 5 times a day.
There is an alternative of course, Deprogramming and exit counseling.

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at October 4, 2008 10:55 AM

To the tune of Dire Straits' "I Want My MTV":

I want my, I want my, I want my Obsession DVD!

Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2008 10:58 AM

There are people out there who rarely read a newspaper, rarely watch a news program,watch soap operas all day, play cards with their neighborhood friends, go to church twice on sunday,don't have a clue where Austrlia, let alone Iraq is on the World Map, think 9-11 might have been an inside job,think that all religions are the same, and have never been more than fifty miles from their hometown, and I'm sure you know some of them.

Posted by: Mackie at October 4, 2008 11:06 AM

But Anders Gyllenhaal, the newspaper's executive editor, said the outcry led to good discussions with the region's Muslim community about the principles of free speech.

Why would they discuss something which does not exist in Islam?

Posted by: tanstaafl at October 4, 2008 11:18 AM

"Reporting about haters is hateful, you see." --RS

I can see this line as the refrain of a Dr. Seuss "children's book" with an adult theme, such as "The Lorax." The "ee" ending would make for easy rhyming.

Anyone want to attempt a stanza?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorax

Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2008 11:34 AM

Remember what Mohammad Atta said to the passengers on the hijacked American Airlines Flight 11?
"Stay quiet and you'll be OK".
Well, apparently a lot of people in this country still haven't learned that appeasement is still death. It may come a little later, but it is still death.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 4, 2008 11:35 AM

"Reporting about haters is hateful, you see." --RS

Indeed, the above line is iambic tetrameter. Perfect for an un-PC ditty. The irony in the line is perfect for a Seussian excoriation of an adult stupidity of some sort, though ostensibly being "for children."

Would be very amusing if someone would attempt!

Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2008 11:50 AM

The entire planet has gone insane over the word hate. It is being applied in ways never dreamed of by the dictionary people.

'Hate' has become its own psychiatric diagnosis. If you have it at all, you are a less worthy person entitled to only punishment and medication.

This is a word magick trick based on hypocrisy.
The accuser is every bit, or even more, hateful than the accused.

If you are accused of being a hater, you can be sure the accuser is himself infected with a heavy dose. Trying to make him aware of that will result in name calling...or worse...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 4, 2008 12:39 PM

While a line of verse need not have every foot perfectlyiambic in order to be called an iambic line -- Shakespeare certainly has many lines of iambic pentameter that are not completely iambic, and if he had written perfectly iambic lines, one after the other, it would be not poetry but doggerel. But when the grid is iambic, then the reader, or listener, expects both variations within the line (so a foot may have a stress suppresed, or reversed, or as more frequently in late Shakespeare, an extra unstressed syllable or two, especially at the end of the line). And when Shakespeare even offers, in his blank verse -- (that is, iambic pentamenter) even the fully trochaic "Never, never, never, never, never" from "King Lear" -- that single line does not cause us to stop describing "King Lear" as a play written in blank verse.

The stand-alone line "reporting about haters is hateful, you see," however, is insufficiently iambic to be called an "iambic" line. Just try scanning it. And if one chooses to treatit as a line of verse, it is not tetrameter but hexameter.

What is reminiscent of Dr. Seuss is the polyptotonic repetition of "hate" ("haters," "hateful") and that final "you see" which has been part of children's tales since Carroll's "For the snark was a boojum, you see." and was picked up, and used, by Theodore Geisel.

Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2008 12:49 PM

If people are that closed minded when someone tries to HELP them by giving them important information, then... let 'em continue in their ignorance.

I'm very close to giving up. It's too hard to keep beating your head against the wall, for people who DO NOT want to hear what you have to say.

Sorry to be so negative. That's just how I feel right now. I'm sure I'll get myself together later on. Right now I'm just very discouraged.

Posted by: Mo at October 4, 2008 1:47 PM

Margaret Lewis of Durham, N.C. is by no means the first person to equate resistance to a totalitarian, supremacist ideology that would institutionalize discrimination against her and all women, as well as against those who hold other religious principles, with "racism." But one wonders what she thinks of all the Islamic preachers in the film who exhort people to jihad violence and hatred, and spread Islamic supremacism.

given all the sheeple like ms m lewis we have i wounder did she even watch it?

Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at October 4, 2008 2:21 PM

Are you saying it's iambic hexameter, or an alexandrine?

Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2008 2:59 PM

To me the word "alexandrine" (alexandrin) should be reserved for French syllabic verse, where syllables are counted, and a few other rules, such as those about the proper placement of the caesura, apply.

English prosody is not syllabic but syllabic-accentual -- that is, both the number of syllables, and the number of stresses, in the verse line, matter. English versification is the result of two things: the Anglo-Saxon verse, which was purely accentual. In other words, each line required four stressed syllables (or each half-line, rather, required two stresses), and at least three of the four had to be linked through alliteration.

Then came the Norman French, bearing with them the purely syllabic verse of the French, in which all that mattered in each line was the number of syllables. This became grafted onto the native system, much as Norman French became grafted onto Englsih. And the result is what we have had for centuries: syllabic-accentual or syllabo-tonic verse, where both the number of accents and the number of syllables count, as in the historically most important meter in English, iambic pentameter.

The line in question is not an example of iambic hexameter, because there are not enough iambs in it to create the expectation, or understanding, of an iambic "grid" that is having changes rung upon it (in blank verse, not every line is or should consist of five iambs). Nor is it an example of the French alexandrine, because the accents of the English words do matter, and cannot be ignored, as they are in French.

I'd just call it a line, which at the end grades into a kind of children's-story or Seussian rhythm. That is what I sense in it, and I think it is what you sensed, rightly, too.

Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2008 4:18 PM

Would any of the papers (or editors) do a series of articles (or even an essay) on
"What Does Islam Really Preach?"

Nah... that might require original research and hard work, instead of relying on the comforting popular cliches (spewed by Bush on down) that "Islam is a Religion of Peace", etc.

The topic of dogmatically-militant Mohammadism's religious roots is verboten.

Let's pretend away the problem is the main modus operandi of the craven, capitulating media.

Hear no Islam, see no Islam, speak no Islam.

The recipe for all 9/11's to come.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 4, 2008 4:24 PM

"Flat out, I resent that our stuffed suit politicians, have FORCED these primitive people upon us." --solsticewitch

"Primitive" is exactly right. Whatever happened to "Throw the bums out?"

Posted by: darcy

Which "bums" are you referring to, Darcy?

You must mean the party higherups who "force these primitive people" onto the ballot every two years?

There is one set of "bums" that we have it within our power, by law, to rid ourselves of in just a few weeks.
Too bad eighty-five percent or more will be returned to Washington, and many will get the votes of those who complain the loudest about the awful job they are doing.
Congress is terrible but their own representatives are golden.

Posted by: PMK at October 4, 2008 4:36 PM

Retention rate of eighty-five percent is looking on the bright side. More likely it will be over ninety percent. The people that have sold us out for the last ten years will be at it again in January, living off taxpayers for two more years.

Posted by: PMK at October 4, 2008 4:39 PM

Tendentious 12 pg. pdf by an Islam Studies Prof. via a list read by suuporters of Tikkun magazine,
http://www.pluralism.org/pdfs/Obsession.pdf by Omid Safi, Professor of Religious Studies
University of North Carolina
Chair for the Study of Islam Section
American Academy of Religion*

Who Put Hate in My Sunday Paper?
Uncovering the IsraeliRepublicanEvangelical
Networks Behind the “Obsession” DVD

Posted by: michael098762001 at October 4, 2008 5:06 PM

Margaret Lewis of Durham, N.C., wrote to The News & Observer. "What will you enclose next? KKK robes?"

Nope, it'll be a hijab for you.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at October 4, 2008 5:28 PM

"Primitive" is exactly right. Whatever happened to "Throw the bums out?"

Posted by: darcy

Which "bums" are you referring to, Darcy? --PMK

Who do you think I meant? The Islamic Barbarians!

Is that phrase from the Brooklyn Dodgers?

Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2008 5:33 PM

I got mine in the mail yesterday. next they'll go after the postal service for distributing it. I will venture to say that it is likely most who are whining out against the vido have never even seen it, they are just chirping back what they heard someone else chirp. they find it easier to let others do the heavy mental lifting on these type issues than fall victim to their own hatred and racism

Posted by: AllahSnackbar at October 4, 2008 6:38 PM

Which "bums" are you referring to, Darcy? --PMK

Who do you think I meant? The Islamic Barbarians!

Is that phrase from the Brooklyn Dodgers?

Posted by: darcy

darcy,

TAKE IT EASY!!!!! Did you read the first line of the post that you responded to? It was talking about stuff suit POLITICIANS.
The stuffed suit politicians aren't going to do what you want them to do.
THEY GAVE US THIS PROBLEM.

Need I remind you?

"Flat out, I resent that our stuffed suit politicians, have FORCED these primitive people upon us." --solsticewitch

"Primitive" is exactly right. Whatever happened to "Throw the bums out?"

I have heard "Throw the bums out" used in political terms. Sorry I offended you.

Posted by: PMK at October 4, 2008 8:42 PM

You were expecting something different from the Journalistic Elite? The framers of PC who built the Temple of Multiculturalism? I would not put it past them to take the Money and denounce the message. It's just that some like to appear to be on the (cough,cough,) Moral High ground. This way they both claim a job well done.

The Interviewee is the proof of just how effective in inverting the truth the MSM has been.

It is sad. Those who needed to change their underwear after seeing Obsession, now have to figure out what is wrong with themselves.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at October 4, 2008 8:50 PM

You didn't offend me, PMK.

I guess the "bums" I want to see thrown out the most are...Mohammedans. That's what I meant.

Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2008 10:11 PM

My newspaper here in central Florida published one letter from an elderly woman very upset because she received this DVD. She claims to have thrown it away unviewed as she just knew it was sent to change her mind about the election and she was having no part of it! I sure she represents many who are just as clueless. Depressing.

Posted by: mare at October 4, 2008 10:36 PM

How interesting that the little old lady in Florida was perceptive enough to realize that a movie about the radical effects of true Islam might change her mind about voting for Obama, for surely a movie about radical Islam would never convince a Mccain supporter to vote for Obama, now would it.

Mo,

Don't give up bro. I've often thought about why we have to go through this fire that I don't want to go through. But I think if we look back through history, it has always been thus. Honestly, has there ever been a century where there wasn't at least a couple of wars going on in several countries? Because we are used to peace in our own country, we sometimes forget that there are always wars going on somewhere. Now it's our turn. The cards will fall where they may but what really matters is what stand we take. Shall we join with Obama's Kool-Aid drinkers and stand in line to see what kind of goodies we will get if we dutifully (and selfishly) vote him into office, only to find out when it's too late that we've been had, like all those poor Germans who believed Der Fuhrer would bring them into a world where they would dominate and their reign would last 1000 years? (How'd that work out for them after the war and for many decades to follow?) Or will we resist, covertly undermine the status quo, use our heads, vote "the bums out" of office and stand and be counted as Americans who value freedom and above all else and are willing to sacrifice everything to protect it?

A big problem is that there are too many people in this country who have every kind of freedom but never had to lift one finger to defend it or preserve it. Whenever you get something for free it doesn't mean as much to you if you had to slave to get it. Very easy and chic to bitch about it; not so easy to do without it.

Mo, my weary friend, take a break get some rest, do something that you love to do and don't think about it for a few days. We will cover for you while you replenish and get your faith back. That's what people who value their own freedom and their neighbor's freedom do for those who can't go on. It's called charity, (not tolerance.)

I don't blame you at all because this fight is exhausting. But it's the only game in town. Take a break and we'll see you back next week.

Love and hugs,
Isabella

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 5, 2008 4:37 PM