A very brave man, indeed! May God protect you Mr. Wilders as you speak the truth to those who refuse to see.

Posted by: Theseus at October 5, 2008 8:22 AM

Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders are two of my hero's. Two brave men who tell the ugly truth and whose message is not popular and most don't want to hear it.

I truly envy their courage.

Posted by: iInfidel at October 5, 2008 8:24 AM

"Courageous" does not adequately describe Geert Wilders, althought it's a start

He is heroic and brilliant.

Thanks for this interview, Robert.

Will watch for the follow-up footage.

Posted by: INFIDELATLARGE at October 5, 2008 9:28 AM

a film showing Muslims quoting from the Qur'an which also shows the Muslims behaving violently while using those quotes to justify their violent behavior and the Muslims get upset ....the Muslims just do not want the truth about Islam to get to Infidel eyes and ears....If Infidels become knowledgeable about Islam Islams' jihad for total world dominance becomes so much harder.

and the the world is becoming more aware of Islams jihad goals and methods...albeit far too slowly.

The resistance is growing stronger every day and Islams leaders know it.

Posted by: pulsar182 at October 5, 2008 9:29 AM

I've posted the first comment! Great interview, Robert.

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at October 5, 2008 9:34 AM

Concerning the "racist" and "xenophobe" labels that Geert talked about, one must simply "get over" being hurt by them. I mean, it's tough, but it's the only way to fight back against being intimidated and silenced by Mohammedans and their Apologists.

My two strategies are:

1. I immediately counter with "Nope, Mohammedans are the racists, bigots, and haters - read the Qur'an." People are shocked when I turn those words right back around and lay 'em squarely and firmly on the Mohammedans. In addition, of course they haven't bothered themselves to actually take a look into the Qur'an, which provides me with "Imagine defending an ideology and you haven't even read it's primary text! How stupid!" Again, shock and awe! LOL

Another situation I confront head-on is this one: "Oh, but it's offensive to call Muslims Mohammedans."

My reply: Well, since the Qur'an refers to Jews and Christians as "Infidels," and as "Sons of Apes and Pigs," among other insults, I can damn well call 'em Mohammedans! Also, since the Qur'an calls for either my subjugation or murder (as a Christian "Unbeliever") if I don't convert to Islam, then, I'm going to call 'em Mohammedans, Islamic Barbarians, Mass-Murderers - ANYTHING I WANT! [Take no prisoners, baby!]

LOL

I can easily see how cowed and intimidated people are due to political correctness, coupled with their own ignorance, of course.

Can anyone make a comparison of these times with the early 1930's, when Nazis were in the process of gaining power, and people were silenced?

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 9:43 AM

Also, I never pronounce "Muslims" as "Mooselums."

Nope. It's "Muslims" with a short "u" all the way. But, I prefer "Mohammedans."

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 9:50 AM

"the Muslims just do not want the truth about Islam to get to Infidel eyes and ears...."

Exactly. And that's how I will defend "Obsession" if I ever get into a conversation with someone about it. Where I live the DVD was not distributed in newspapers, so it hasn't been an issue.

"I want my, I want my, I want my "Obsession" DVD!"

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 10:00 AM

Why can’t the Christian West and islam live happily together, especially when they both share a common heritage? Don’t believe me, go listen to the Pope, the Arch Bish or indeed our politicians, they all seem to think so! Islam, with its monotheist belief, should and is far more palatable to the refined Western tastes than the clap trap mumbo jumbo of Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and other eastern faiths. Isn’t it?

Posted by: Hermit at October 5, 2008 10:05 AM

I think it is very difficult to get the Western culture of the 21st Century to sit down and take a little time to understand the most important conflict of our time. And yet to grasp some of the facts on the Islamic religion is extremely simple with the advent of the PC.

One can so easily go down to your local Barnes and Noble and pick up a copy of the Quran for the price of less than two six packs.

"The Koran" translated by N.J. Dawood and published by Penguin Books is one that Robert Spencer has recommended.

For those who are aquaintences, or friends and are willing to not play the proverbial ostrich and want to find out the truth, I always make that recommendation.

Lately I have been carrying a copy of surahs they may wish to read in the Koran when they open it up because I would wrather have them not take my word for it.

Unfortunatley there are way to many out there that require a sucker punch to find out the truth and 9-11 apparently wasn't enough for them.

Oh that's right;it was an inside job! YEE GADS!! all of deductive reasoning is thrown out the window.

Posted by: Mackie at October 5, 2008 10:27 AM

Hermit, you are kidding aren't you?
Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."
Qur'an 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low." [Another translation says:] "pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection."
Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them."
Bukhari:V1B11N617 "I would order someone to collect firewood and another to lead prayer. Then I would burn the houses of men who did not present themselves at the compulsory prayer and prostration."
Qur'an 9:28 "Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean."
Ishaq:245 "The Apostle used to say, 'Their religion will never march with ours.'"
Qur'an 8:12 "I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Qur'an 8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
And on and on...

Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 5, 2008 10:28 AM

from post above: Islam, with its monotheist belief, should and is far more palatable to the refined Western tastes than the clap trap mumbo jumbo of Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and other eastern faiths. Isn’t it?

No!!

Interview...Spencer meets Wilders...It is no longer appropriate to say, 'You da man', now it's 'You da men'. One sign of greatness is when one great man will sit and converse with another great man on equal terms and mutual respect.

The one good thing about Islam, is that it brings out the greatest kuffars to resist it.

Those kufrs in power positions, who do not resist Islam, or actually assist it, are not so great.

Darcy...I never thought of it before but where does the word 'Muslim' come from?
Did it have a standard meaning prior to Mohammad's use of it, or did he make it up?

I am a little suspicious because the (IM) on the end (Musl-im) also indicates angel orders, like Eloh-im, or Seraph-im, Cherub-im.

So what is a Musl-im, word wise? Is anyone wearing this word angelic?

You would certainly think so listening to the people who wear that word?

What does it all mean? I don't know, that's why I asked the question....

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 10:37 AM

Good on you Geert! Good on you, Robert!

Close Aussie friends of mine have been living in Amsterdam for some years. I ask them about these issues (eg the sort of stuff we follow as Jihad-watchers) and they say that nobody, but nobody, will talk about it. It's the most monstrous elephant in the room -- trampling all over our precious rights -- and they simply are "deaf" and dumb and avert the gaze. It's a kind of cognitive dissonance. Perhaps they see it as a problem so big they can't do anything about it....

Anyway, Geert in Europe, and Robert et.al. in the US are doing an invaluable thing in bringing these issues to publich attention.

Great stuff and looking forward to the rest!

Posted by: Meeker at October 5, 2008 10:41 AM

Alright, tell the truth Robert, who has the better hair?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 5, 2008 10:52 AM

When I was in school the word was moslem.
http://hnn.us/articles/524.html
I understand that moslem sounds like "oppressor" in arabic, so that is why the change to "mooslim".
I prefer oppressor.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 5, 2008 10:53 AM

Why can’t the Christian West and islam live happily together, especially when they both share a common heritage? Don’t believe me, go listen to the Pope, the Arch Bish or indeed our politicians, they all seem to think so! Islam, with its monotheist belief, should and is far more palatable to the refined Western tastes than the clap trap mumbo jumbo of Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and other eastern faiths. Isn’t it?

Posted by: Hermit at October 5, 2008 10:05 AM

Wow. How utterly and completely ignorant and uninformed.

Where to begin?! Hermit, I think you picked the right nic.

"Hermit, you are kidding aren't you?" --interestinconundrum

No, sadly, I don't think he is.

Hermit needs to spend some time on JW and DW.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 11:05 AM

Darcy...I never thought of it before but where does the word 'Muslim' come from?
Did it have a standard meaning prior to Mohammad's use of it, or did he make it up?

I am a little suspicious because the (IM) on the end (Musl-im) also indicates angel orders, like Eloh-im, or Seraph-im, Cherub-im.

So what is a Musl-im, word wise? Is anyone wearing this word angelic?

You would certainly think so listening to the people who wear that word?

What does it all mean? I don't know, that's why I asked the question....

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 10:37 AM

That's a good point, swami. Hope RS informs us.

I prefer Moslem or Mohammedan.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 11:07 AM

Here is a list of 10 "myths" about islam.
Spot the lies.
http://islam.about.com/od/commonmisconceptions/tp/myths.htm

Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 5, 2008 11:07 AM

Hi Meeker,
Been living all my life in Amsterdam and, thank God, I can assure you there are loads of people who are just or about as critical as Wilders is and who do speak out. Me included. Unfortunately, there's indeed still a large group of people, mostly well do to intellectuals living in classy neighborhoods, that excells on being blind, deaf and dumb, excells in their vanity, thinking they are superior to us, who they like to classify as xenophobes and racists. They frustrate the hell out of me.

Posted by: Dutchwoman at October 5, 2008 11:12 AM

Great interview. Thank you, Robert !

Geert Wilders' party, the PVV, is gaining support here in Holland. It now has 9 seats (out of 150) in our parliament. According to the latest poll, Wilders' party will get 17 seats if there were elections held today. That's about 1 million voters ! Next elections will be in two years time.

Posted by: Kristian at October 5, 2008 11:16 AM

Darcy...I use Muslim, for no particular reason other than identification, but actually Mohammedan, is more to the point...It's really hard 'not' to worship the 'perfect man and roll model...

That is if you can find one.

Muslims think they have one, but in reality they are in bed with a cardboard cut out...No wonder those guys are so frustrated all the time...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 11:20 AM

Why can’t the Christian West and islam live happily together, especially when they both share a common heritage?

First consider the teachings of mohammad -- the muslim is forbidden to live at peace with, or befriend anyone other than muslims. mohammad taught that islam is at war with all others

Don’t believe me, go listen to the Pope, the Arch Bish or indeed our politicians, they all seem to think so!

They can believe the moon to be made of green cheese if they want too, but it doesn't make it true.

Islam, with its monotheist belief, should and is far more palatable to the refined Western tastes than the clap trap mumbo jumbo of Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and other eastern faiths. Isn’t it?

islam is more palatable to the refined Western tastes than any of those you mentioned in addition to Christianity and Judaism upon which Western tastes were founded; therein lies the problem which Mr. Wilders seems to be addressing.
Posted by: Hermit at October 5, 2008 10:05 AM

Off topic but interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REmjz0R5PrE

Imagine what hamas and company must be thinking should BO ascend to office.

The west is doomed.

Posted by: witness at October 5, 2008 11:21 AM

Americans would be much safer with Geert Wilders in the White House than the corrupt Islamic puppet, America presently has as their POTUS/commander-in-chief, bailed out by his Islamic masters, all his life.
Geert Wilders, is a true leader. He leads by example.

Posted by: Alert at October 5, 2008 11:29 AM

"Here is a list of 10 'myths' about islam.
Spot the lies."
-- interestinconundrum

Numbers 4, 5, 6, 7.

At least the most egregious ones.

Posted by: Martin at October 5, 2008 11:33 AM

Holy moly, watch this video.
Madrassa kids sing about bringing America down from the inside.
http://patdollard.com/2008/10/madrassa-kids-sing-of-kenyan-who-will-destroy-great-satan-america-from-within-using-hope-change-video/

Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 5, 2008 11:39 AM

Imagine what hamas and company must be thinking should BO ascend to office.
The west is doomed.
Posted by: witness

My own prophesy, as I stated before, is that 'within one year of an Obama Presidency, the same people who elected him will be howling for his impeachment.

This prophesy remains in effect until 2010, and is then subject to revision...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 11:40 AM

interestinconundrum:

I perceive this interpretation of those 10 myths to be a bit more accurate here.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

Posted by: Mackie at October 5, 2008 11:40 AM

You'd think this muslim would happily jump at the chance to kill an infidel before it is even born!

Posted by: DJM at October 5, 2008 11:42 AM

Oops, sorry about last comment. It was meant for the 'abortion pill' thread!

Posted by: DJM at October 5, 2008 11:43 AM

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/Muslim;_ylt=ApjlXc1OyRy0oNQRTYmDzRisgMMF

ETYMOLOGY:
Arabic muslim, one who surrenders, active participle of 'aslama, to surrender.

Posted by: skevin at October 5, 2008 11:51 AM

What a delight to witness Robert Spencer interview Geert Wilders. In some ways, Geert Wilders reminds me of Winston Churchill. Both remarkable men with clear command of non-pc language communicating intensely dire warnings to reluctant masses.

In the video, at marker 6:45

". . .the way we give in to the Islamization of our societies whether it is halal food or whether it is in not talking about educating our children in some schools about the holocaust because we could offend Muslims . . .when it is as last week people are almost stabbed to death in the streets of Brussels because they were drinking water during the Ramadan and Muslims are offended. . ."

Was this incident reported in the paper? What was the legal outcome if police were involved?

This reflects the same horrendously violent ramadan experienced here:

homeless man, Serge, nearly beaten to death for drinking a beer during ramadan .

Combined with the Brussels thug enforced dhimmitude via antifa movement acting as surrogates of authority :

*an old woman carrying a lot of anti-islamization posters was attacked by a gang of antifa activists. The rest of the crowd shouted "nazis raus" when these criminals attacked the old frau and took away from here all her posters, and then order her to leave or risk more attacks.

setting their steel toe boots upon another defenseless Jewish man wearing a kippah, breaking his ribs and labeling him a nazi!

So is this the EU Europe wants?

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at October 5, 2008 11:56 AM

Dutchwoman:

I have several relatives living in Hilversum that I have visited, but they don't want to address this aggressive, and ever increasing encroachment of Islam.

The elders are eager to tell me stories about how they dealt with the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands, but when it comes to the Islamic invasion; all is mute.

I think they see people like the outspoken Geert Wilders, and Ayaan hirsi Ally requiring bodyguards and never staying in the same flat every night and that sadly equates to the "pucker factor" of intimidation and fear.

Regards

Mackie

Posted by: Mackie at October 5, 2008 11:59 AM

Posted by: Hermit at October 5, 2008 10:05 AM

Why can’t the Christian West and islam live happily together, especially when they both share a common heritage?

It is precisely the sheer pig ignorance of people like you why our society will come to an end and we will all be living under Islamic servitude, back to the 7th century.
There is no "common heritage" when it comes to Islam and Christianity/Judaism. All Islam did was to take from Christianity and Judaism and call it its own.
There is nothing similar between Christ and Muhammad, well apart from they were both male. One was an exceptionally peaceful Man and the other nothing less than a genocidal, totalitarian, bloodthirsty, oppressive, misogynistic madman.

Don’t believe me, go listen to the Pope, the Arch Bish or indeed our politicians, they all seem to think so!

Do you make a regular habit of watching the Emperor strut naked through the streets, while shouting "Doesn't the Emperor look so good in his new clothes"?
Has it not even dawned upon you that the Pope, The Arch Bishop and the Politicians haven't got a clue about anything and are where they are in order to fill their bellies and have a well off living, at the same time destroying their own countries(Politicians)?

Islam, with its monotheist belief, should and is far more palatable to the refined Western tastes than the clap trap mumbo jumbo of Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and other eastern faiths. Isn’t it?

There is no difference whatsoever in the belief of one God or many. Christianity and Islam have no more proof that their God is any different to the Gods of the Ancient Pantheons such as the Roman, Greek, Syrian, Egyptian, Hindu, Bhuddist, Celtic/Norse/Pagan, Polynesian, North/South American, Myan, Incan, Chinese, Japanese, Babylonian, etc etc.

I think you really need to step out of that cage you're living in. You have an exceptionally shut off mind and I hope that you are a minor, well under 20. If not, there's no hope.

Posted by: Mark at October 5, 2008 12:06 PM

interestinconundrum, I question the translation of the video provided at your link to pat dollard. I did not hear the words "shaytan"/satan, shahid/martyr, American etc. I'd wait for a confirmation of translation before giving any more publicity to that video. Smells like an astroturfing attempt to discredit the right.

Posted by: miira at October 5, 2008 12:18 PM

Hermit. Thank you for alerting me to the insidious designs of the Jains. I, nabi ZK (pbum), read somewhere that these "Jains" held a conference in which they outlined their evil plans and published it all it a pamphlet entitled: "Protocols of the Elders of Jainism" Be scared people. Be really scared.

nabi ZK

....just kidding this time...never met a jain but i'm sure they are nice people...

Posted by: zonie kafir at October 5, 2008 12:21 PM

Hi mira. I agree with you. The kid is reading from the qur'an. Ypu can hear the bismilla ar rahman ar rahim part while the "translation" is going on about America. This BS makes me, nabi ZK (pbum), angry. This is no help in fighting the ignorance of mohametanism.

nabi ZK (pbum)

Posted by: zonie kafir at October 5, 2008 12:30 PM

Excellent. Geert is very clear minded about the issues of the problem of the Islamization of Europe, especially with its self imposed dhimmitude through self-censorship.
Wake up Europe, or your neck will be under the Islamic boot.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at October 5, 2008 12:31 PM

So what is a Musl-im, word wise? Is anyone wearing this word angelic? -- posted by: duh_swami

Very good point, which is why I prefer Mohammetans to 'Musl-ims', or even Moslems if one must. There is no 'angel' in their name as a species of pagan god worshipping Mohammet's allah, a Mesopotamian moon god of primitive arabia. BTW, "arabia" in Italian means "anger"... I wonder where they got that word from? Perhaps having lived in the line of Mohammetan fire?

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at October 5, 2008 12:43 PM

I am going to try and break my habit of using the word muslim and use Mohammetan...it does seem more appropriate...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 12:55 PM

My own prophesy, as I stated before, is that 'within one year of an Obama Presidency, the same people who elected him will be howling for his impeachment.

This prophesy remains in effect until 2010, and is then subject to revision...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 11:40 AM

I'm not waiting that long; I say, impeach BO NOW!

Posted by: witness at October 5, 2008 1:07 PM

Hermit,

I think you are confused about exactly what Islam is. In the west some see it as just another form of monotheism, but you miss one very important aspect of it. It is a complete system of governance, from judicial, to cultural laws all divinely inspired. It is no now way shape or form compatible with a democratic society. Within it there are clear calls to violence for Muslims to enforce their divine laws upon any who would transgress them, as seen by the numerous attacks on free speech, and expression already seen in the west. This is the reason why Islamic societies have become so socially, and intellectually retarded, because Muslims have taken to killing their philosophers. This is incompatible, and irreconcilable with western society and thought. To understand Islam you only need to know a few things essentially, in my opinion. It was created by a general. Many of its core elements were derived from war and battle. It is nothing more than a theological weapon, created by a brilliant and highly successful general as a tool to aid in his conquests. That is it, period, it is a weapon used to destroy societies, and bring them under Islamic control.

Posted by: ethoman at October 5, 2008 1:16 PM

Witness...'Impeach now'...an idea who's time has come...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 1:30 PM

Has it not even dawned upon you that the Pope, The Arch Bishop and the Politicians haven't got a clue about anything and are where they are in order to fill their bellies and have a well off living, at the same time destroying their own countries(Politicians)?

Posted by: Mark

Mark,

Believe me the Pope "has a clue." This is not to diminish the damage being done by some pro immigration groups operating within the heirarchy of the Catholic Church; (I really wish Benedict would put the clamps on that). But the Pope is the only world religious leader of note, that I am aware of, that has confronted Islam.

See what our own Raymond Ibrahim has to say about Benedict's Regensburg speech here:

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/ibrahim092706.html

Why do you think I have this screename?

Posted by: Paleologus at October 5, 2008 2:37 PM

If you all don't think it won't happen here too - think again. It is already starting with the Swift Factory, the cabbies, etc. Our Pentagon, state offices, etc are all in full appeasement mode. Our colleges has the worst of the worst too - the MSA (muslim student association) which is tied to the muslim brotherhood and not a peep out of parents!

Posted by: R_not at October 5, 2008 2:40 PM

Paleologus,

I really don't think that the Pope is confronting Islam enough and that is why I say what I do. Our politicians speak against the Islamists while curtailing to Islam and I see the Pope doing no different.
What the Pope should be saying is; that Islam and Western Christian/Judeo culture is incompatible with one another. In fact all cultures and religions are incompatible with Islam.
The Pope should be bringing European and World leaders(Non Muslim) and telling them that unless they immediately stop this 'arse licking' of Islam, allowing immigration, high birthrates among Muslims in the West then they will face utter obliteration by Islam.
The Pope is still one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful person in the World. The amount of people that would do the Popes bidding (legally and illegally) is still astronomically high.
In a Nutshell, if the Pope commanded another crusade against Islam then it would happen and that would mean not driving Islam out of the Holy lands of the East but completely removing them from the West.

I still stand by what I say that the Pope really hasn't a clue, for if he did, he'd be doing much, much more.

The Pope should be

Posted by: Mark at October 5, 2008 3:20 PM

Beautifull ! Exelent ! Most refreshig !
Very well done !
Hope to see you two here in Jerusalem on December 14th !!!

Wellcome.

Posted by: AbuAmnon at October 5, 2008 4:06 PM

Hermit,
I think you are confused about exactly what Islam is
From above.

On the contrary, I think I am more qualified than most who have railed into me here. I have islam to thank for total decimation of the culture of my forefathers, who happened to be Indians. I am “British” by birth, often referred to as “second generation immigrant” – but an immigrant I and my children will remain until we die, never to be accepted as pukka British because of the colour of our skin, no matter if our granddads and great uncles have paid the ultimate price in defence of the realm of King George VI in the jungles of Burma and deserts of Libya; and we in turn, are prepared to follow in their footsteps to fight for what still passes to be decency, honour and freedom.

It breaks my heart, for I am past anger, when I see what islam is set to do to my “adopted” land that it managed with the land of by forbearers. Today, it seems islam takes a place of pride amongst the intelligentsia, the chattering classes, bbc, cnn and yes, even the Church – the very institution that should be standing against this evil cult, is happy to proclaim it as one of their own (whether some of you here like it or not, the Church is just as complicit in islamisation of the West as any dhimmi politician you could care to name).

What disappoints me the most though is the complete disregard, the complete contempt that those in power on both sides of the Atlantic show for the plight of Indians today. It is as if they are willing for Pakistan, and China also to some extent, to obliterate India and its ancient culture, a culture that they know little of and much less care for, a culture which is not rooted in monotheism of islamo-Christian tradition that they are comfortable with and can relate to, but believes in the plurality of the creator, the generator and the destroyer, concepts they regard as anathema.

So, perhaps it is this alien belief in plurality that those of islamo-Christian heritage despise more than any loathing that they can ever have for each other.

How else can you explain the millions poured into Pakistan, the military aid, the training of its intelligent services, the turning of a blind eye in face of Indian protestations of an Islamic nuclear bomb or indeed the turning of a deaf ear to the cries of mutilated bodies on the streets of India?

Posted by: Hermit at October 5, 2008 4:09 PM

"that those of islamo-Christian heritage" --Hermit

What's that? There's no such thing.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 4:22 PM

"There is no difference whatsoever in the belief of one God or many. Christianity and Islam have no more proof that their God is any different to the Gods of the Ancient Pantheons such as the Roman, Greek, Syrian, Egyptian, Hindu, Bhuddist, Celtic/Norse/Pagan, Polynesian, North/South American, Myan, Incan, Chinese, Japanese, Babylonian, etc etc." --Mark

If you had a personal relationship with Jesus, as MANY do, you wouldn't post such malarky.

I did, however, like the first two paragraphs of your post, and consider them to be true.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 4:25 PM

....just kidding this time...never met a Jain but I'm sure they are nice people...

Posted by: zonie kafir at October 5, 2008 12:21 PM

Jains don't even kill insects. They carry brooms when they walk to sweep the pavement in case there are any mites or something!

Yeah, that's just like Mohammedanism, isn't it?

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 4:30 PM

In Gordon Brown’s Britain today, a Gurkha, after serving decades in the British army, has to go to the courts to claim what ought to be his by right – a British citizenship. And yet all it takes for a rabid islamist is to show his intention is to destroy what the Gurkha fought to preserve in the British, and he gets his citizenship handed to him on a plate.

Posted by: Hermit at October 5, 2008 4:34 PM

darcy wrote:

If you had a personal relationship with Jesus, as MANY do, you wouldn't post such malarky.

I did, however, like the first two paragraphs of your post, and consider them to be true.

I really don't want to get into an argument with you about God & Jesus darcy, but in all honesty, there really is no proof that God exists. Sure, we have the bible, but what the Bible states is completely opposite to what our scientists have said and they have actual physical proof of their findings. Creationists do not.
When it comes to Christianity, I can believe in some of the teachings of Christ, as they really are the same as Natural and Common Sense laws. However, the God stuff? Well, we'll have to agree to differ on that one.
Lastly, I find this "personal relationship with Jesus" malarky to be rather worrying. How can one actually have a relationship with God(never proven to exist) and Jesus(dead for over 2000 years)? I have a relationship with those that I know and that are alive and not those whom I don't, have never seen or met, or whom have ever existed.

But thanks for enjoying the first part of my post. I don't believe in it for creationists really haven't got a leg to stand on. I like to go through life with what I know and know to be true. I don't like to speculate, especially when there's no substantial evidence to back up my claims.

Posted by: Mark at October 5, 2008 4:40 PM

I am going to try and break my habit of using the word muslim and use Mohammetan...it does seem more appropriate...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 12:55 PM

Yes, plus they don't like it.

We don't like "Infidel" or "Unbeliever" or "Sons of Apes and Pigs," either.

All's fair in love and war.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 4:40 PM

Oh, and how about "polytheists" in reference to Christians?

Nope, I don't like that - therefore, you're "Mohammedans."

Deal with it.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 4:43 PM

"I really don't want to get into an argument with you about God & Jesus darcy, but in all honesty, there really is no proof that God exists."

Like I said, you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus. If you did, you'd have your own personal proof, and wouldn't be denying His existence.

He's a Living God. You just don't know Him.

End of story.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 4:47 PM

Hermit,

"How else can you explain the millions poured into Pakistan, the military aid, the training of its intelligent services, the turning of a blind eye in face of Indian protestations of an Islamic nuclear bomb or indeed the turning of a deaf ear to the cries of mutilated bodies on the streets of India?"

In a word I can describe it. "Stupidity". I see you understand quite well, let it be known I would trade every single Muslim in America for a Hindu anytime I could get a trade like that :-) In fact in my opinion I would have no problem allowing Hindus into the west at all without restriction. I think your culture will do just fine here. Thanks for your post it was great! Know that many here in the west are waking up to our common enemy.

Posted by: ethoman at October 5, 2008 5:10 PM

"There is no difference whatsoever in the belief of one God or many. Christianity and Islam have no more proof that their God is any different to the Gods of the Ancient Pantheons such as the Roman, Greek, Syrian, Egyptian, Hindu, Bhuddist, Celtic/Norse/Pagan, Polynesian, North/South American, Myan, Incan, Chinese, Japanese, Babylonian, etc etc." --Mark

Obviously, this person has never taken any sort of theology or logic class in college. If he had, he did not really study the material or if he did actually crack open a book -- he never really understood a single thing he "read." (Looking at the words on a page and the pictures doesn't count as "reading.")

To write such histerical nonesense illustrates profound ignorance of the subject by any objective standard.

Posted by: witness at October 5, 2008 5:11 PM

"There is no difference whatsoever in the belief of one God or many. Christianity and Islam have no more proof that their God is any different to the Gods of the Ancient Pantheons such as the Roman, Greek, Syrian, Egyptian, Hindu, Bhuddist, Celtic/Norse/Pagan, Polynesian, North/South American, Myan, Incan, Chinese, Japanese, Babylonian, etc etc." --Mark

Obviously, this person has never taken any sort of theology or logic class in college. If he had, he did not really study the material or if he did actually crack open a book -- he never really understood a single thing he "read." (Looking at the words on a page and the pictures doesn't count as "reading.")

To write such hysterical nonesense illustrates profound ignorance of the subject by any objective standard.

Posted by: witness at October 5, 2008 5:11 PM

(hate these free wi-fi networks!)

"There is no difference whatsoever in the belief of one God or many. Christianity and Islam have no more proof that their God is any different to the Gods of the Ancient Pantheons such as the Roman, Greek, Syrian, Egyptian, Hindu, Bhuddist, Celtic/Norse/Pagan, Polynesian, North/South American, Myan, Incan, Chinese, Japanese, Babylonian, etc etc." --Mark

Obviously, this person has never taken any sort of theology or logic class in college. If he had, he did not really study the material or if he did actually crack open a book -- he never really understood a single thing he "read." (Looking at the words on a page and the pictures doesn't count as "reading.")

To write such hysterical nonesense illustrates profound ignorance of the subject by any objective standard.

Posted by: witness at October 5, 2008 5:13 PM

It breaks my heart, for I am past anger, when I see what islam is set to do to my “adopted” land that it managed with the land of by forbearers. Today, it seems islam takes a place of pride amongst the intelligentsia, the chattering classes, bbc, cnn and yes, even the Church – the very institution that should be standing against this evil cult, is happy to proclaim it as one of their own (whether some of you here like it or not, the Church is just as complicit in islamisation of the West as any dhimmi politician you could care to name). - by Hermit

I hear you, we should all be standing against this evil Cult of Mohammet's pagan god Allah, regardless of our religious or non-religious secular backgrounds. Islam is enemy to one and all. It breaks my heart too to see the overt dhimmitude by government, academia, and media on both sides of the Atlantic, and within the Indian subcontinent. Only China stands up to them in the way they deserve, with a brutality that even our own military, brave men and women that they are, would flinch. But I am no fan of China because of their poor human rights record against those who want more freedom. The real fighters for freedom, against the Islam Cult, are those of us who understand it for what it is, an evil barbaric 7th century oppressive cult; and we who understand are united in spirit worldwide. As more people read and understand, watch the vote shift. That is the real power more powerful than crude brutality against the Mohammetans, because even among the Moslem there will be those who understand and shift to our side. It already has happened, and now they all are called 'apostates' from the evil Cult. It is a label they should wear with pride, in keeping with all our forebears who fought for our freedoms.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at October 5, 2008 5:15 PM

Great interview Robert. You guys are great.

Cowboy.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at October 5, 2008 5:17 PM

It's ironic that your name is "Mark," and yet you deny the existence of Jesus.

Your approach is wholly empirical, scientific.

That's not how you get to know Jesus!

Knowing Jesus is through prayer, spirituality!

Empiricism (science) has NOTHING to do with it!

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Also, there's a reason why you NEVER hear Mohammedans talking about a "personal relationship" with Allah. Allah doesn't exist, that's why.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 5:18 PM

I just saw this on another site:

Credo of the Egyptian ("Ikwaan") Muslim Brotherhood (founded 1928):

"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

Disgusting, or what?

Those poor brainwashed 'bots.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 5:35 PM

Also, there's a reason why you NEVER hear Mohammedans talking about a "personal relationship" with Allah. Allah doesn't exist, that's why.
Posted by: darcy

The closest a Mohammetan can come to a "personal relationship" is with the warlord pedophile founder of theirs by emulating him like apes. Their evil Allah god is truly in the tradition of ancient pagan gods (though raised to the One by Mohammet unilaterally) which are vindictive, small minded, vengeful, and generally not too bright; i.e., they reflect the superstitious ignorance of their worshippers. Islam is just like that, no personal relationship except at that small evil level of currying favors from their small evil god Allah.

We have a very broad tolerance for all religions residing in the West, and in other cultures worldwide, including indigenous peoples spirituality, but we must have absolutely no tolerance for the evil world supremacist god Allah Cult anywhere on earth. They must be scourged and condemned into extinction.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at October 5, 2008 5:40 PM

Witness,

You can bring me as many books on God as you'd like to but that is not proof there is a GOD. Religion was created to control and nothing less. Your blind belief in something never proven to exist is frightening really and no different to the madness with Islam to fight in the name of Allah(God). You are obviously a Christian/Jew and believe whoe heartedly in God. I just kind of realised it was all make believe when I put down the Hans Christian Anderson and Brother's Grimm as minor.

darcy,

I never stated Christ never existed but please read again.
You are looking at a completely different time frame and belief here. If a lightning bolt hit a house at the time of Jesus and up until the 17th Century or so, then it was attributed to an act of God and retribution. The problem we have in this world is religion. What on earth is this website about if it isn't about religion for goodness sake.

Christianity may be peaceful but it's a religion or a fairytale and nothing less. The sooner people realise that the better.
There probably is something that created us, but then that's more likely to be another race in a far off Galaxy. The thing is that my guess is as good as any and you can preach the bible until you go blue in the face as really, it doesn't stick with me and is the Greatest Fairy Tale ever told.

Posted by: Mark at October 5, 2008 5:44 PM

Poor Mark. No spirituality whatsoever.

Just like a block of concrete. But, I bet you can give me the chemical formula for concrete! I'll google it.

Here it is:

Concrete is made by the combination of cement, water, and aggregate of various sizes to make a workable slurry that has the consistency of a thick milk shake.

Name Percent by
Weight Chemical Formula
Tricalcium silicate 50% 3Ca0 SiO2
Dicalcium silicate 25% 2Ca0 SiO2
Tricalcium aluminate 10% 3Ca0 Al2 O3
Tetracalcium aluminoferrite 10% 4Ca0 Al2 Fe2 O3
Gypsum 5% CaSO4 H2O

That's just what you like, to wit: "I like to go through life with what I know and know to be true." --Mark, Empiricist

Nope, there's no doubting the chemical formula of concrete! It's all there in black and white!

You're the "frightening" one. Ever read Charles Dicken's novel "Hard Times," Chapter 1? See yourself.

I wish you a spiritual life. You're in desperate need of one. I truly pity anyone who considers the Living God, Jesus, to be a "fairy tale."

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 6:01 PM

Suicide bomber in Mosul, Iraq. Took out 11 of his own people. Think he's enjoying the 72 virgins right now?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081005/wl_nm/us_iraq_attack

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 6:08 PM

Darcy,

Thank you for your patronising. Like I said, I don't want to get into a debate talking about God, Jesus and Religion as it always does end in insults.
I'm here to talk about the threat of Islam BECAUSE religion is a danger to the world. Wars have been fought throughout the ages because of it and I have and always will disagree in religion as nothing more than an invention created to oppress and control.

Last but not least my name is Mark and I did not name myself, my parents did.

This is my last comment on here about God & Jesus.

Posted by: Mark at October 5, 2008 6:13 PM

"Thank you for your patronising."

And yours, too. I don't like hearing my Christian faith described as "the greatest fairy tale ever told." That is so ignorant.

"I'm here to talk about the threat of Islam BECAUSE religion is a danger to the world."

No! "religion" is NOT a "danger to the world."

ISLAM IS THE DANGER TO THE WORLD. ONLY ISLAM.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 6:17 PM

Reminder: Non-sectarian site.

Posted by: MarisolJW at October 5, 2008 6:22 PM

Hermit, I think you're actually preaching to the choir. We are the ones who feel for the Indian people, who can't stand the way our international aid dollars are being squandered on nations who don't deserve it, who we should be praying destroy themselves, and who will never become civilized societies for five entire minutes no matter how much money we pump into them, and Iraq, once we rebuild the whole damn thing, will prove the inevitability of Islamic decadence, reversion to parasitism, and downward mobility once and for all. We feel for nations like India which are right at that demographic breaking point but which somehow manage to hold on to a relative degree of civility, unlike all those asshat European nations which endlessly import and pander to those who will ultimately destroy them, which they would know if they were half as educated as those who rebuilt their nations after the war and who forged the peaceful and incredible nations in which they reside. We are the ones who want help deserving nations, and ONLY deserving nations, like India, Mexico, and Ukraine. India is amazing. People like your parents are exactly the kind of immigrants that Europe and Canda should be importing: the intelligent, hard-working, quick-to-assimilate, benefit-to-your-host-society type. But instead they are betting everything on immigrants to keep their societies running, and not the right kind.

We just think that we - Jewish, Christian, atheist, agnostic, humanist, whatever - have a whole hell of a lot more in common with any Hindu, Buddhist, or Jainist than with any inbred, baby-raping, Nazi terrorist woman-hater who would stone their own grandma for being falsely accused of adultery, rape their own daughters because they believe they're entitled to do so, mutilate their children and then pimp them into sex slavery at 5, beat their 8-year-old incestuous Sharia sex slaves, kill us just for existing, or go into a school and rape and murder a bunch of small children. It's not believing in the Golden Rule, or buying into a supremacist, genocidal ideology, or living one's entire life as a parasite that makes one a heathen. I don't care how many gods you believe in as long as you don't pray for my rape, enslavement, and murder five times a day.

Posted by: jdamn at October 5, 2008 6:26 PM

miira, you are right.
The translation is wrong.
http://patdollard.com/2008/10/madrassa-kids-sing-of-kenyan-who-will-destroy-great-satan-america-from-within-using-hope-change-video/

That sort of thing is absolutely not helpful.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 5, 2008 6:36 PM

jdamn

That was pure poetry.

Posted by: ethoman at October 5, 2008 6:38 PM

I don't like hearing my Christian faith described as "the greatest fairy tale ever told." That is so ignorant.

"I'm here to talk about the threat of Islam BECAUSE religion is a danger to the world."

No! "religion" is NOT a "danger to the world."

ISLAM IS THE DANGER TO THE WORLD. ONLY ISLAM.

Posted by: darcy

I agree, Darcy, as I don't like hearing that about my Christian faith, either. Said poster ought to start his own "Christian Watch", or something more mundane like, "Religion Watch", and then see how many news headlines he's able to find that are presenting the same level of a threat that Islam poses. Uh, good luck with that, BTW.

Islam is the real danger here, not religion in general; and to make such a claim is stretching the truth beyond recognition. Lets stick to the facts, shall we, because Islam is a political ideology, and religion is it's facade.

Posted by: champ at October 5, 2008 6:58 PM

Hi champ! I was hoping you'd show up!

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 7:01 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if some Leftist/Apologist site started "Inquisition Watch."

Good Luck with that!

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 7:04 PM

Hey, Darcy!

That's a good one, "Inquisition Watch", where the blind can lead the blind, LOL!

...or maybe he should stick to his original thought and call it "Fairy-Tale Watch", and then see what comes out of the woodwork.

Posted by: champ at October 5, 2008 7:14 PM

"...the Greatest Fairy Tale ever told."

Uh, that would be the Theory of Evolution.

Posted by: champ at October 5, 2008 7:23 PM

“The problem we have in this world is religion. What on earth is this website about if it isn't about religion for goodness sake. “
Posted by: Mark

You COMPLETELY miss the point Mark.

This site is “about” an evil ideology that is a grave threat to the freedom, prosperity and well being of all mankind. This applies to EVERYONE who is not a Mohammedan, be they Christian, Jew, Hindu, atheist or anything else.

Religion is only incidental to the problem we face. If some of us wish to muster their courage to better fight our common enemy, by use of their religion, well more power to them!

Again, RELIGION IS NOT THE PROBLEM WE FACE – A BRUTAL MURDEROUS IDEOLOGY THAT WOULD ENSLAVE US, IS!

Posted by: Davegreybeard at October 5, 2008 8:27 PM

A BRUTAL MURDEROUS IDEOLOGY THAT WOULD ENSLAVE US, IS!

Posted by: Davegreybeard at October 5, 2008 8:27 PM

That would be Islam.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 8:41 PM

I agree with Mark, religion is and will always be one big catalist for the violence in the world. There will always be someone who thinks is the "truth-holder" the all knowing individual, the "saved" or the "only-saved-being-because-of-his-religion". There is still a heavy discrimination against atheists, I for one have suffered in b oth sides, christian and islamic discrimination.

The difference of the 2 is, the islamic will put you in a corner and makes you think between getting the f*** out of there or just listen to the person because you dont want to lose certain friendships (even though no real friend would make you or take you to be converted)

Christianity is only and will always be a set of ideas, I can criticize, curse or even do anything, certainly I will receive a few hate mails, hate messages, name callings if I prove the christian wrong and even the death threat occasionally if the person comes from a country like Brasil(I'm from there and I'm ashamed, no, I wont go in details) or similar.

Ideas have no rights, but if I do that with islam, as said by Geert Wilders, I can receive what I receive from christians, but much more heavier, stronger and a whole lot more from muslims, even physical violence! In fact, I can even point out biblical passages and other teachings from Christianity ,to the person who is about to get violent against me, about his contradiction. In islam i can not do that.

So in conclusion, even if religion is and will always be a catalist, islam is the biggest of all, and one that should be reformed.

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 5, 2008 8:50 PM

I agree with Mark, religion is and will always be one big catalist for the violence in the world. There will always be someone who thinks is the "truth-holder" the all knowing individual, the "saved" or the "only-saved-being-because-of-his-religion". There is still a heavy discrimination against atheists, I for one have suffered in b oth sides, christian and islamic discrimination.

So you substitute secular humanism for religion and refuse to call the result a religion; you substitute a diety for yourself; or your ideology; or some cult figure such as Stalin, Hitler, or Mao.

In the end, you still have a religion even if you swear on a stack of holy books, that it isn't.

Religion of a kind will always be there and there will be no escape.

The choice of dieties that you wish to stuff into your personal pantheon is entirely an individual choice.

However, if it is objectively true that there really is a a diety, I hope it turns out to be Jesus as depicted in the gospels.

I'm not a Christian by any standard, but if there is a diety -- I hope it's him; because every diety that I've ever studied other than Jesus -- frankly, stinks.

(And that includes the atheist's personal dieties as well!)

Posted by: witness at October 5, 2008 9:22 PM

witness;

There is a difference, I donjt go out converting people, I dont knock on doors, I dont threat to kill or start screaming on the street because X person is walking in form of my "church" or "mosque" and is not a follower from my "religion".

1. Communism is not atheism
2. Hitler was christian

Atheism, as much I you would like, or anyone who is agains't it, is NOT a religion, it is ONLY the unbelief in god or deities.

Government, political power has nothing to do with atheism, and that is a common mistake made by many theists who wants to discredit atheism and quote communism, or its attrocities.

And my only "deity" is myself, I'm accountable to my own mistakes. So again, I fail to see what deities atheism has.

PS: I myself dont care which deity might exist, because its chance of existance is so slim that it is worthless to even consider, its 1 in thousands of other deities, so 1 in thousands, millions perhaps!

Its easier to win the eurolotto! ha!

ps2: I just hope you learn a bit more on what is atheism.

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 5, 2008 9:43 PM

>>I'm not a Christian by any standard, but if there is a deity -- I hope it's him; because every deity that I've ever studied other than Jesus -- frankly, stinks. --witness

Bravo, witness.

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I came across this Middle East saying:

"First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people."

Gee, I wonder - whatever could it mean??

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 9:47 PM

"Hitler was Christian"

Nope, he was not. Born Christian, yes, rejected it in favor of paganism. Check it out. Oh, he also greatly admired Islam.

Even if Hitler HAD been a Christian, his behavior was, is, completely abhorrent and opposed to Christ's teachings. Therefore, he would have been only a nominal Christian.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 9:52 PM

witness;

There is a difference, I donjt go out converting people, I dont knock on doors, I dont threat to kill or start screaming on the street because X person is walking in form of my "church" or "mosque" and is not a follower from my "religion".

1. Communism is not atheism
2. Hitler was christian

Atheism, as much I you would like, or anyone who is agains't it, is NOT a religion, it is ONLY the unbelief in god or deities.

Government, political power has nothing to do with atheism, and that is a common mistake made by many theists who wants to discredit atheism and quote communism, or its attrocities.

And my only "deity" is myself, I'm accountable to my own mistakes. So again, I fail to see what deities atheism has.

PS: I myself dont care which deity might exist, because its chance of existance is so slim that it is worthless to even consider, its 1 in thousands of other deities, so 1 in thousands, millions perhaps!

Its easier to win the eurolotto! ha!

ps2: I just hope you learn a bit more on what is atheism.

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 5, 2008 9:43 PM

I don't get to many people knocking on my door -- could be the rotweiler -- very ill-humored animal and has a nasty temper when its hungery.

Communism is an economic system but part and parcel of that system was atheism -- re-read Max and Engels -- even Stalin, Lenin, and Mao acknowledged that atheism and communism were offically linked.

Hitler was NOT a Christian -- re-read Mein Kampf; Hitler said one of his goals was to uproot Christianity "root and branch."

Sorry, but atheism IS a religion by this simple acknowledgement that it is a statement of faith -- and it purports to have a moral code.

As an atheist then, the moral code to which you subscribe, is one of your own device; it is purely utilitarian when it's all said and done.

Since I do hold a couple of advanced degrees and know a thing or two about nuclear physics I've come to a place where I personally would not dismiss the possibility of a diety -- for me to do so after what I've seen would be silly.

Can't tell you who is out there -- but uh,, I doubt if we are alone anymore -- in any case we have a true common enemy ...

islam!

Posted by: witness at October 5, 2008 10:06 PM

Hitler was a Christian like I am the Queen of England, LOL!

Posted by: champ at October 5, 2008 10:08 PM

I've come to a place where I personally would not dismiss the possibility of a diety -- for me to do so after what I've seen would be silly. -witness

That's good to hear, witness, but he might get a little steamed if you keep misspelling his title, viz, deity or Deity!

Hitler said one of his goals was to uproot Christianity "root and branch." -witness

That's good to know. I didn't know he hated it that much. Obviously, he did.

Posted by: darcy at October 5, 2008 10:20 PM

Good video - just watched it. Will be waiting eagerly for next part.

One general observation: both Wilders and Spencer, speaking without notes, are two of the most lucid speakers I have ever had the pleasure of hearing. Neither man wastes a single word. Jacques Ellul and G K Chesterton would have been delighted with them.

Wilders is setting an example for politicians everywhere. He should be getting prizes just for NOT talking jargon.

Offtopic a little: I think there are two women in the western world, one in Europe, one in America, who surely must be two of the smartest women on the face of the planet. Who are they? Well: one is Mr Spencer's wife, and one is Mr Wilders' (who, I understand, is Hungarian). In a world overshadowed by the looming darkness of the Third Jihad, they each selected as husband a man smart enough to see the danger and brave enough to stand up and speak the truth.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 5, 2008 10:31 PM

Well, the existence of God, and Christianity as a fairy tale is a long way from 'Robert interviews
Geert'.

The problem with the existence of God, is that God is experiential.

The experience can be communicated but not proved.

One has either had that experience or one has not. It is the has nots who argue about it.

It is said that you cannot look upon the face of God and live.

If a man came and said I have looked upon the face of God and lived, you might think he was a lunatic...But if his life was effected as though he really had looked upon Gods face and lived, we are a fool to relegate him to the asylum. Rather we should find out how he did it, and sell the plans on E-bay...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 5, 2008 11:15 PM

The socialists/communists empower the islamists because they share a "COMMON PURPOSE" to remove our hard fought freedom.

The Sustainability of Agenda 21: has zero recognition for individual rights only COLLECTIVE rights.

This is time for war folks!!

Posted by: Armoured Passionfruit at October 6, 2008 1:28 AM

Daveygreybeard,

I have written quite a few comments on here about the dangers and threat of Islam. I HAVE NOT WRITTEN anything about the dangers of Christianity as both are completely different.
They are both Religions whichever way you want to look at it. You do not believe that Islam is a Religion I do. I also believe that Islam is a Death Cult and a 'brutal murderous, ideology that would enslave us'. I however also believe that Christianity is a Cult and an ideology as people are following the words of Christ who stated they are the words of God(No proof that God existed). Also, the miracles that Christ performed were not filmed and passed by word of mouth.
Religion is ideology whichever way you look at it.
The only difference between Christianity and Islam is both 'prophets' were completely opposite to one another. One was peaceful, spoke common sense and preached love and tolerance, while the other death, destruction, oppression, hate and intolerance.

When I say this site is about religion it is. Like it or not Islam IS a religion along with Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Judaism and Christianity. JihadWatch, by its name suggest watching the Muslims as they have 'Holy War'.
To you Islam is not a religion, however to 1.5 Billion Muslims it very much is.

When it comes to sides, I'll stick with the Christians, after all I was brought up as one. I've already stated that what Christ had to say pretty much revolved around common sense in how to treat fellow man, in order to have a peaceful relationship with one another, so I prefer his way of looking at things although the God 'bollox' and creation part I'm not interested in.

Islam is a killer, it is here for one reason only and that is to completely take over Western way of life. I vehemently disagree with Islam and I always will and while I'm alive will oppose it wherever it goes in the West.

Last but not least, Religion is the problem and it always has been. Wars have been waged throughout time because of it. A society with no religion would be a great thing to happen. Remember, one can be exceptionally spiritual and not the slightest but religious.

Posted by: Mark at October 6, 2008 5:03 AM

Another Dutchwoman.

People and politicians in the Netherlands look down on Geert and Hirsi. They simply don't listen.(You should see the smirks on the faces of the other members of the parliament when Geert is speeching)
The Dutch don't like it when someone stands up and fights for a cause. What is all the fuzz about? But they do have a political party that defends animal rights. Can you imagine?!

In the Netherlands, we have a tradition of tolerance, waiting and watching, we say. But the truth is, that nothing is a real problem until the upper middle class is feeling it. Only when the "well off" will get frustrated by muslims protesting the Dutch ways and values, there will be a loud and then accepted political protest.
At the moment nobody really cares.

Yes, I hail the dhimmiwatch and have several links to your site on my URL. I only wish you would go to http://www.factcheck.org/ or other investigative journalism and stop calling Obama a Muslim. Who needs to lie? Who needs the help of rumors to make a case?
Don't the words and actions of the radical Muslims provide you with all you need?

Posted by: Hannifay at October 6, 2008 5:04 AM

Communism is an economic system but part and parcel of that system was atheism
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Communism may have atheism, but atheism does not have communism, get it?

Have you ever seen pictures of hitler with the pope? Vatican? does that come anything to mind? Go study history.

The problem here is that,even though I side with the christians, I still suffer a bit of discrimination. I wish when people would quote the west,wouldnt say "christian west" and instead say "secular west".

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 6, 2008 5:59 AM

Communism is an economic system but part and parcel of that system was atheism
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Communism may have atheism, but atheism does not have communism, get it?

Have you ever seen pictures of hitler with the pope? Vatican? does that come anything to mind? Go study history.

The problem here is that,even though I side with the christians, I still suffer a bit of discrimination. I wish when people would quote the west,wouldnt say "christian west" and instead say "secular west".

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 6, 2008 6:00 AM

Sam Harris, in his excellent book The End of Faith makes a marvellous case against religion - for religion read religious dogma. He also makes an excellent case for taking the path of pure spirituality. Indeed, he states that it is our need of the sacred in our lives which makes us susceptible to religion, and he accuses the adherents of religion of encouraging religious violence by their tolerance of moderate beliefs. For it is beliefs that are behind the violence and jihads of every kind. Read the book

Posted by: Symphony Wales at October 6, 2008 6:20 AM

During WWII, Pope Pius XII stood up to Hitler and the Nazis. He saved many Jewish lives. Pope Benedict XVI will celibrate mass on the 50th anniversary of Pope Pius XII's death this week.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 6, 2008 7:10 AM

Have you ever seen pictures of hitler with the pope? Vatican? does that come anything to mind? Go study history.

The problem here is that,even though I side with the christians, I still suffer a bit of discrimination. I wish when people would quote the west,wouldnt say "christian west" and instead say "secular west".

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 6, 2008 6:00 AM

Yes, I have seen that picture -- while Hitler may have the pope; the pope didn't have Hitler -- get it?

Perhaps Dr., you should not rest upon your title -- doctorates and post-docs are a penny-apiece these days -- and follow your own Tx; study history because it seems you didn't really pay attention in class either.

The problem here is that,even though I side with the christians, I still suffer a bit of discrimination. I wish when people would quote the west,wouldnt say "christian west" and instead say "secular west".

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 6, 2008 6:00 AM

No Dr., the problem here is you. You suffer a bit of discrimination because you want it and feel entitled to it. In your mind, you believe that it makes you more noble somehow.

So why should christians care if you side with them or not? You alliance isn't going to change a thing if they are starting with a good argument against islam in the first place.

Some people refer to the west as "the christian west" because this particular culture was established by christians; get over it.

Look, if you want to brood over your victimhood -- then by all means whine in silence.

When you run out of tears and stop feeling sorry for yourself consider which system of governance you would prefer: islam, christian, or atheism as defined by Hitler or Stalin or Mao because those are the ONLY prototype atheistic systems you have to choose from so far.

By the way I have a photo of myself with Elvis on one side, Marilyn Monroe on the other,as we sit in the backseat of a 1964 t-bird with ET driving at the wheel.

Don't put too much stock in pictures anymore.

Posted by: witness at October 6, 2008 7:31 AM

Apparently, DrCMan hasn't seen the photo of Hitler with the Mufti of Jerusalem.

So, what was your point again?

http://www.amazon.com/Icon-Evil-Hitlers-Mufti-Radical/dp/1400156718

Posted by: darcy at October 6, 2008 8:37 AM

J/W is a melting pot of people of various religious backgrounds or no religious background,
brought together by a common interest in Islam and jihad.

The alchemy of this melting is the joining of forces, to produce the steel, that is needed to repel Islamic hegemony, in all its manifestations.

That's why: Reminder: Non-sectarian site.
Posted by: MarisolJW

Kufrs arguing among themselves make Mohammadans laugh, it's the only time they are allowed to have fun...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 6, 2008 10:34 AM

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Mein Kampf - Hitler

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter." Hitler - 1922

With that, I rest my case.

About the discrimination, I would love to have to live a life where if a christian asked me what is my religion, and answer atheism, I wouldnt suffer that weird eye look, or maybe some name calling and even that desire to convert me at all costs. That christians would accept atheist have morals, and we are good because we can, not because of fear of some god. I would love to be able to sleep a sunday or a saturday without fear of having some evangelical or jehovah witnesses knocking on my door. In fact, I would love to be able to continue my part-time work as a webmaster and the person who contracted my service wouldnt need to think I'm a catholic to continue using my service and getting paid.

In fact, in USA, a poll was made and atheists were the least likely group of people to be voted as presidents.

So, discrimination, on my eyes only? Definetely not!
If you ask to choose between both sides, between islam and christianity I would choose christianity, even though I wouldnt like it, but I admit that I have a better way of life in a christian society than in a muslim society. But the best goverment system would one that is secular. And again there are no atheist system, atheism is only the lack of belief in a god. AS much as everyone who is against atheism would like to, atheism is not a religion, is the lack of religion.

The west was build by people who were fleeing the prosecution of religion, evangelicals running away from the church of england, jews running away from the inquisition, pagans trying to escape the torture chambers, you have to accept that the west, as much as christians would like to, should be described as a secular west. We have jews(I have jeweish blood - and proud of it-), pagans, various christians sects, atheists, agnostics, spiritists and many more sets of beliefs and unbeliefs who is against the political agenda of islam and its desire of world domination. Symphony Wales made a good explation of religious dogma. Just to finish, atheists are ruthless against religion, watch Pat Condell.

AS MarisolJW "The alchemy of this melting is the joining of forces, to produce the steel, that is needed to repel Islamic hegemony, in all its manifestations." and duh_swami said," Kufrs arguing among themselves make Mohammadans laugh, it's the only time they are allowed to have fun... "

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 6, 2008 12:02 PM

The Doctor states: "With that, I rest my case."

Not so fast.

You rest your case because of Hitler's own words? Are you really that gullible? Good God, man, if I were to tell you that I was an astronaut, would you simply take me at my word and believe me? I bet you would look for hard proof before you would take someone at their word about claiming to be an astronaut, and yet you take Hitler at his own word that he was a Christian, when his actions showed that he was anything BUT a Christian - now that is stupid.

Just because someone claims to be a Christian does not make them one. Being raised Catholic, as Hitler was, and going to church as a child, or reading the Bible as an adult, does not qualify Hitler to be a Christian.

You obviously don't know a thing about the Bible, so please don't pretend to be an authority by saying that you "rest your case", when the New Testament, in particular, is very clear on Christians being known by their fruit, etc, and the importance of being a Christian in deed, not in word only.

Yes, we are here to battle against the evils of Islam, but I was not about to let your "Hitler was a Christian" fall under my radar. That is just not true.

Posted by: champ at October 6, 2008 1:19 PM

Atheism is a religion just as much as any other because at its core everything stands on personal belief – without proof.

The Atheist adamantly claims that there is no God because it cannot be “proved” to his satisfaction, that there is. He completely ignores the fact that just because a thing cannot be “proved” to exist no way “proves” that it does not. So his “religion” is his chosen BELIEF (with no proof whatsoever) that God does not exist.

The Theist believes in a deity because (just like the Atheist with his belief) he has chosen to do so.

NONE of this has the slightest bearing on the problem of Islam, which is PROVABLY murderous, deceitful, brutal toward women and anathema to a free society. As Winston Churchill put it “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

PROVABLY retrograde.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at October 6, 2008 1:50 PM

Hitler’s Final Solution for Christianity

While this fact is well documented, the lie peddled in its stead has proved harder to sink than the Bismarck. But about six years ago came a godsend in the form of papers and the person of Jewish attorney Julie Seltzer Mandel, a woman whose grandmother was a survivor of the Auschwitz concentration camp. While a law student and editor of the Nuremberg Project for the Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion, Mandel gained access to 148 bound volumes of rare documents — some marked “Top Secret” — compiled by the Office of Strategic Services (or O.S.S., the WWII forerunner to the CIA).

After scouring the papers, she published the first installment of them in 2002, a 120-page O.S.S. report entitled “The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches.” Reporting on these O.S.S. findings in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Edward Colimore wrote: “The fragile, typewritten documents from the 1940s lay out the Nazi plan in grim detail: Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders.

And re-indoctrinate the congregants. Give them a new faith — in Germany’s Third Reich.” He then quotes Mandel: “A lot of people will say, ‘I didn’t realize that they were trying to convert Christians to a Nazi philosophy.’... They wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity.”

Without a doubt, Hitler often made vile anti-Christian statements. For instance, according to Allan Bullock in his book Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, Hitler once hissed, “I’ll make these d**ned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible....

This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews.” Bullock also reports that Hitler said, “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.... The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.” (Bullock derived both quotations from the book Hitler’s Table Talk.)

http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/european/271-hitler-and-christianity

Posted by: witness at October 6, 2008 2:10 PM

Hitler was many things, but a clumsy politician was not one of them. He knew that until he had “consolidated power,” he would have to erect a façade for a Christian people and the Church; this is probably why virtually all his pro-Christian statements were rendered publicly and before he had closed his iron fist around the German neck. In contrast, his anti-Christian vitriol was spewed privately — and, it seems, with great passion — and often after he achieved absolute power, when he could bear his dark soul with impunity.

Moreover, when analyzing this, it’s easy to understand the political benefit derived from pandering to Christian masses, for if he inspired their opposition while seeking power, personal glory would have eluded him. But what political end was served by impugning their faith? What reason could he have had to utter such things unless … unless he meant them? And does this really surprise anyone? Politicians are like water, taking the shape of the vessel in which they find themselves.

Then, I would call attention to Hitler’s talk of a “real Christianity.” Hitler was referring to the Nazis’ effort to co-opt the faith, with a perversion they called “Positive Christianity.” This involved, among other things, the idea that Jesus was a member of the Nordic race who battled Jews.

Moreover, it was contrasted with “Negative Christianity,” which is what the Nazis called the age-old doctrines of the Protestant and Catholic churches. Despite this, some atheists will still claim that this profession of “faith” made Hitler a Christian. But as dignitaries of the German Evangelical Church said in 1936 (as presented in the Time magazine article “Churchmen to Hitler” on August 10 of that year), “Nazi spellbinders use the terms positive and negative Christianity ‘in the manner in which the truth is withheld from a person who is ill’ — i.e., to mask the Government’s real efforts ‘to deChristianize the German people.’”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/european/271-hitler-and-christianity

Posted by: witness at October 6, 2008 2:24 PM

Davegreybeard; Everyone here is an atheist, one way or the other, do you believe in the pagan god THOR? Or even some other god, like Zeus, maybe a goddess like Freyja? Nope? Why dont you believe on them? LAck of evidence...

LEts use the same old example, there is a teapot orbiting jupiter, you cant see it, but its there, there is no evidence but there is no evidence against it, would you believe it is there?

So in other words, belief and unbelief is a different thing, it is the same thing if the entire world believed on the myth of the yellow elephant with shorts and you didnt, so, would that constitute religion, that you found it was a laughing matter that everyone believed in that elephant??

Champ;

Let me get this straight, one says to read the mein kampf, I quoted the mein Kampf,he used the Mein Kampf as evidence and it was alright, and I used it and its wrong...

Can you please decide what do you want?

witness;
read this http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 6, 2008 2:25 PM

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933. )

“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.”

( Adolf Hitler, in 26 April 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933. )
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Again, I rest my case

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at October 6, 2008 2:32 PM

Doctor - part of the problem is that you are relying on Hitler's own words to define what a Christian is, rather than getting your nose in the Bible. Either educate yourself on what a true Christian is by reading just one gospel in the New Testament - like the gospel of John for instance - or stop pushing this crap that Hitler is a Christian, because you're starting to sound really foolish.

What I "want" is for you to get educated before supporting someones CLAIM to be a Christian; first find out what the heck a Christian is.

THAT is what I want - but I doubt that you will do either.

Your case can't be rested until you get all the facts from both sources, not just by reading Hitlers "Mindless Crap".

Posted by: champ at October 6, 2008 2:55 PM

From the website, there are two quotes:

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

As much as I would like to find a connection to Hitler practicing some form of christianity it does seem to me that Hitler was not advocating christianity as far as I understand christianity.

I would infer from the above quotes made by Hitler himself, that he had no reason to keep christianity in any form during his 1000 year reich.

If we take Hitler at his word (and I do) -- "christianity is an invention of sick brains" -- then who is Hitler refering to anyway?

The "inventors of christianity" were Jesus and his followers -- or am I mistaken here?

If those are the inventors of christianity; and Hitler regards them as "sick," and hopes that their invention "dies;" then how do I infer that he self-identifies with christianity, or Jesus?

Posted by: witness at October 6, 2008 2:57 PM

We do others have to say about such things?

The Deutsche Christen, or German Christian Church which integrated and redefined traditional Christianity to include and align with the Third Reich. The doctrines of the Deutsche Christen were meant to replace centuries old doctrine. Many of the beliefs were anti-Semitic and defined as heresy.

Christ was re-interpreted as the Nietzchean 'superman', an Aryan of the highest order and not a Jew, and Paul was dismissed as irrevelant, or in some cases as an 'introverted', overly self-conscious Jew whose writings 'judaized' Christian thought in an unhealthy way.

The Apostle Paul was referred to as the 'rabbi Paul' to further emphasize his Jewish influence. (See Paul in the Eyes of the Nazis);

http://www.shoaheducation.com/deutschechristen.html

...and they have more to consider on this point...

The Beliefs, Doctrines and Stands of the Deutsche Christen

Hitler was infallible: Revealed God's Will for Germany

Christ is Seen as a German Messiah leading back into the Volk

Germans are born to Struggle; the battles, earthly and divine are reinterpreted in terms of kulturkampf.

Concepts of the Cross and Sacrifice are mixed with the concept of Struggle1

False, weak freedom is seen as the antithesis of Struggle: tolerance is a degenerate concept1

A doctrinal separation between Scriptures the DC saw applied to the later ethereal 'Kingdom' of Heaven' and those applied to this world. For example, the Sermon on the Mount was not deemed applicable to this world, hence one could ignore its pacifist leanings, and selflessness. This concept finds a home even today in the US in even Bible Believing Churches, but is not in line with Christ's own command to 'keep his commandments' if one loves him.

That which is weak is inferior and not allowed: this is in contrast to Scriptural teachings which demand child-like-ness, and surrender to obey God and walk in the Holy Spirit.

Because Paul teaches so greatly in the Epistles the putting away of 'self', Paul was seen as having an inferiority complex and being too Jewish and not good for the German people.

The DC was pro-Euthanasia for what did not benefit the whole of society. Exclusion: in addition to the weak, non-Aryans were excluded from worship, religious practice and even the Kingdom of God.

Inferior people, were not seen as having the same value or quality or even life-essence as those of the DC.

War and the aim towards War was seen as a high value because in the eyes of the DC it would lead to Aryan rule and the establishment of the DC over church matters.

While Hitler and Goebbels