I never quite understood how the European elites, when they started in 1974 the process of creating Eurabia , (according to the documents Bat Ye’or presented in her book with the same name) expected to survive and maintain their way of life once the process had succeeded? You may say that all these people were looking for short term benefits (being exempt from PLO terror while having the benefits of cheap oil), and did not care what happens down the road, but it was and is their own skin at stake! Is it that pure greed can have such a blinding effect, or is it that they just never quite understood what they were dealing with?

What is more, 35 years on it is now crystal clear where this is leading to, and yet we have only a few politicians like Geert Wilders , Ayaan Hirsi Ali , Newt Gingrich , Rudy Giuliani or Tom Tancredo . How do the rest believe they would survive under Sharia? Why does not Geert Wilders or Robert Spencer interview THEM? I am really interested to find out what they think.

Posted by: Mladen at October 8, 2008 8:45 AM

unofficial transcript of the above video:

Part III

Geert Wilders: People are increasingly fed up by the accomodation and the appeasing of the Muslim minority, and more important, the culture. That want to decry this because at the end of the day what Islam it will do, it will destroy everything that we stand for. The more that we accomodate them, the less we will get in return. I'm sure of that.

Robert Spencer: Sure. Yes, quite so. I note with interest, as a matter of fact, that the next step is already happening. I saw it in the news this morning, that in Britain there is a supermarket in a local area where there is a large number of Muslims, but not a majority. They are demanding that the local supermarket not sell alcohol because they find it offensive - not to sell alcohol. This is emblematic of the fact that Islamic law applies to non-muslims and non-muslims must submit to it in the classic Islamic model. Such that, it's not simply the same kind of thing as Catholic family law or Jewish law governing marriages and so on because it is expected that non-muslims must ultimately bow to it. And, I was wondering if that second step, after the first that asks for the accomodation of various particular practices, the second step of demanding non-muslims also adhere to Islamic norms has been reached in the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe.

Geert Wilders: Yes, it has certainly. In fact, it's already implemented. You were talking about the UK. We all know that a few weeks ago it became public that they even have Sharia courts today in the United Kingdom. I cannot even imagine that you would have called me a total idiot if I would have predicted that two years ago.. . that in a European country, the United Kingdom we would have Sharia courts?

Robert Spencer: And on the continent, is there also Sharia being applied?

Geert Wilders: There is not Sharia being applied today. We had a Dutch attorney general who said in a public debate in parliament, I believe it was two years ago, that he could imagine that if there would more Muslims in the Netherlands, that if there would be at the end of the day a majority of Muslims, that the Sharia would be implemented in the Netherlands. What he should have said is that I will make sure that A) Never, our country will consist out of 50% of Muslims. B) Even if that would happen, we would do everything to prevent the sharia. It can never happen because Sharia means end of democracy. Sharia means end of freedom. Sharia means the submission to the most terrible Islamic laws. So, you see that indeed happening, those kind of problems(?) in Europe, in the Netherlands, slowly, the political leaders giving in. But, and this is the good news, the public, the electorate is increasingly fed up by accomodating Muslims in the way they want to. So the counter-fending power against the weak dhimmitude of the political elite is increasingly strong.

Robert Spencer: So you see the UK as a kind of European van guard in it's adoption of Sharia, and you think that continental Europe will follow?

Geert Wilders: Yes, I am afraid so, that is why I was thoroughly impressed by - I met this week here in the United States, Congressman Tom Tancredo. I was very much impressed with that. He made as you say - unfortunately he is leaving office soon - but he made this anti-jihad law and he said, well, if somebody who is a resident of the United States is in favor of Sharia, we should be able to extradite him. That is somebody who comes to the United States and is in favor of Sharia - yeah, should not be permitted. I mean, this is a first step. I would wish that European leaders , while we are, we have a problem in Europe - we have no real leaders anymore. There is a lack of leadership in Europe, people who lead their country. They are all accomodating, they are all looking for political economical political correct reasons wanting to be in office. The day after tomorrow, that they are forgetting that they are losing our continent. We are losing our identity. We are losing everything that we stand for. This is leadership - that you stand up and if you say, whatever the consequences - this is may not and shall not ever happen. Unfortunately, that is lacking in Europe today.

Robert Spencer: Do you think that in the coming years that there will be a growing movement in Europe against Islamization and that the mainstream parties will pick it up?

Geert Wilders: Well, you talk - I care to talk about my country, the Netherlands. You already see not only doubling in the polls in the past one and half year, but you see that the parties that we are getting voters from are very slowly changing their tune. Not perhaps because they really believe in what I say, but because this is politics. They don't like it . . .they want their voters back. So, very slowly it might happen. But it will be too late before anything changes. That's why I'm very happy that there will be an initiative in Jerusalem in December of this year, hosted by Professor Eldad, a member of Knesset in the Israeli Parliament. There ten, twenty, thirty European law makers from respected countries where there is a growth of the kind of parties like my party like, for instance, the Danish Peoples Party. That they would come there, not only to talk about how bad it is today in Europe but also to try and come with concrete solutions. When it comes to immigration, when it comes to initiatives. . . initiate a law to ban Sharia forever. I mean be concrete. Show the people, not only do we have solutions, that we are serious politicians, but also to show the electorate that there is not only in some country one or two major leagues (?) that are labled by the leftish liberal elite and pressed as xenophobes. No. We are responsible politicians, not racists. Nothing whatsoever. That we have initiatives and that we are combining our forces. This is not only a message to the electorate and the leftish and liberal press and elite in Europe, this is also a message to the Arab world and to the Islamic world and to the people already in Europe from there. Its a message that there are not only dhimmis in Europe, there are also people in Europe who are willing to fight . . .in a democratic way, in a non-violent way, but we will fight you. We will start now and we will never stop.

Robert Spencer: We are aware of what the program is. We are aware of what they are trying to do. . .

Geert Wilders: Exactly.

Robert Spencer: . . .when the main stream is competely clueless about this. Excellent. Excellent, that sounds like a very important conference. I wish you all the success in that.

Geert Wilders: It is. I hope you will be there.

Robert Spencer: I hope so. It will be really great. Yes. In any case, do you see then the future of Europe as one in which anti-Islamic, anti-Islamization groups might actually become a majority?

Geert Wilders: Well, a lot of things have to happen. I was a guest in Switzerland not so long ago, of Bat Ye'or and her husband. And you know she wrote this important book, Eurabia. I remember when I first read it, like I read with all the pleasure all your books as well, and I learned a lot from that, really. When you read it for the first time, you think, well, its maybe in the future it will happen. But its coming. It's coming very very close. We are very far away today for the anti-islamization organizations to become a majority. But, we are gaining, voter by voter, person by person, day by day we are gaining ground, we are winning very slowly but we are winning. This is so important. So it will not be in a couple of years time perhaps but it also depends on the elite, what the dhimmis of the ruling elite will do. Will they change their tune or will they not. Because like I told you, in many many countries, the gap between the political elite and the folks populi is very very large. If that bridge will not be crossed then I think it will be even sooner that there will come a majority of people fight against it.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at October 8, 2008 10:02 AM

Mladen,

You will actually find that the creation of the USE(United states of Europe)/the EUSR(The European Union of Socialist Republics) and of course Eurabia, was actually started much further back than 1974.
I suggest you have a read of The Great Deception: Can The European Union Survive.

You'll find many answers to your questions and like I sickened at the systematic destruction of European nations, under the hand of Communism and Socialism.

Many people can see where this road is taking us, but European Nations' corrupt leaders and administrations are countering every attempt at people trying to stop it from happening, by bringing out more and more legislation to protect their interests and of course Islam.

The battle is going to be a long one and there is no sign that Islamisation won't be victorious. We are not just trying to repel Islamisation but also Socialism which has infested our societies like a cancer and rapidly taking control of all the pillars of foundation.

Posted by: Mark at October 8, 2008 12:01 PM

Geert: ...But, we are gaining, voter by voter, person by person, day by day we are gaining ground...

There is a kufr critical mass in there somewhere...A human 'hundredth monkey' number.
This number exists but is unknown.
Kuffars will rise against Islamization when this number of 'enlightened' kaffirs is reached.

This is why it is important to keep shooting these truths like a machine gun. 'Fitna', 'What the west needs to know...etc, need the same kind of distribution as Obsession. Every means possible to bring Islams hegemony and the way it goes about that, should be publicized at every level.
Even if it means hand distribution on the street...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 8, 2008 12:04 PM