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Here is the fifth and penultimate (that means next to last, kids) segment of my conversation with the fearless and insightful defender of free speech, Dutch politician Geert Wilders. Part 1 is here, part 2 is here, part 3 here, and part 4 here.
Posted by Robert at October 14, 2008 11:12 AM
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In order to get rid of Islamic hegemony, we must first get rid of kufr enablers in power positions.
Vote them out, throw them out...If we don't, we 'will' be the last man standing and, on weak knees as well.
A vote for Obama is a vote for an enabler...We need people to present opposition and action, not weak kneed enablers...
at October 14, 2008 11:36 AM
Sounds like Jesse may be angling for the Secretary of State job, or perhaps Ambassador to the United Nations in an Obama Administration. (I have to stop writing now so I can pull out some more hair...)
Posted by: Eastview
at October 14, 2008 11:43 AM
Sounds like Jesse may be angling for the Secretary of State job, or perhaps Ambassador to the United Nations in an Obama Administration. (I have to stop writing now so I can pull out some more hair...)
Posted by: Eastview
at October 14, 2008 11:46 AM
unofficial transcript . . .
Geert Wilders:
I'm not only so proud of what America is doing, even though it makes a lot of mistakes, but it's almost the last bastion of freedom. And my message, my message is to every American that I talk to, you are losing Europe. You will be the last man standing. Don't mess up yourself but make sure that you invest in your European allies, in the correct European allies. I'm not talking about the French or the German or Gordon Brown in the UK, leaders because they are dhimmis. They are giving up. They are appeasing. They are Chamberlains. At the end of the day you will have to do the job.
Robert Spencer:
Well, you know, I appreciate what you are saying very much and it's an interesting perspective because we, of course in America consider this great deal of media bias here also and it's very hard to get an honest discussion of these issues here. It's interesting to find that well, it can always be worse.
(laughter)
Geert Wilders
Yeah, it can. Talk to Europe where you'll see it worse.
Robert Spencer
But the question actually is this, that you're saying that we need to help our European allies and I think thats a very urgent thing that we need to do but while you see the United States fighting against jihad terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time when the president of the United States says that Islam is a religion of peace, when this has been echoed by both presidential candidates, when the Secretary of State has said the same thing . . .they have Iftar dinners in the White House and so on . . .Do you think that, it's I suppose . .. the situation in other words seems very hopeless. That the United States is going to awaken to whats going on.
Geert Wilders
I hope so. This is why I am here but I hope many more European politicians will come here, or other people of the Islamic groups whatsoever, intellectuals like yourself, journalists - we should make the public aware that in the long term it's not in the interests of the United States themselves. . .it's not in the interests of the geopolitical stability and safeness. If Americans would lose Europe it would indeed be the last man standing. And I also didn't understand the fact that the US President today at 9:12 said that America of Islam is a religion of peace. This is a totally un-understandable reflex of the political elite. Remember when in the streets of Amsterdam, a few years ago as you know, Mr. Theo Van Gogh was slaughtered in the street. That one day later, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, and even the Queen of the Netherlands went to visit the mosque and shook hands with moderate Muslims as if we had any problems with moderate Muslims instead of standing up and saying what needed to be said. So this is a ridiculous reflex. And I think that also, the American people, in the long run, will not only see that things will change and that Islamization will take power in the United States itself. I'm talking to people when I'm here this week and I hear people say did you hear that about the mosque being built there, did you hear about the halal food? I mean. there is also a growing awareness in the United States and I think by the government, the administration, there will be people needed at least who will also think about the political influence that they will not let Europe be lost and that they will stop advocating that, for instance, what the United States unfortunately is doing , that Turkey will become a member of the European Union. This would be the most terrible, worse idea when it comes to Islamization of our continent. And I think that many Europeans, people like yourself in the United States should talk about it more to the public, to the leaders and try to get the awareness and the sense of urgency . . .
Robert Spencer:
Yeah.
Geert Wilders:
It's a matter of a sense of urgencey a little bit higher.
Robert Spencer:
Yes, well this is, it seems that in both cases, in America and in Europe there is a gap. As you mentioned before, between the elites and the people who they are purporting to govern.
Geert Wilders:
Yes, it is. The difference is, it's true that the numbers are different, not only demographically but also when you look at the Netherlands. We have 16 million inhabitants. One million of them are Muslims. One out of 16. Not to be compared with the United States. We have our immigration from totally different countries than you do. So, the difference is there, but let me tell you that if Europe will be lost, if Israel will be lost, the United States will be the next target.
Robert Spencer
Yes,
Geert Wilders
. . .of Islam and you have no allies anymore. It will be very difficult so it's far better to invest in some preventive methods today than when it's too late and Your children or grandchildren will almost be wearing headscarves walking through the streets or worse.
Robert Spencer
Can you confirm something I heard last year, that the Brussels City Council is already over 50% Muslim?
Geert Wilders:
I don't know that. I'm not Belgian, I'm from the Netherlands. I don't know. . .I know I know
Robert Spencer:
I know you're not Belgian, I've heard this
Geert Wilders:
I've heard it's very high, Robert, but I don't exactly know if it's a majority already. That I don't know.
Robert Spencer:
Because, if it is, or it becomes such in other European cities, then obviously the process is much harder to reverse. It can be voted down.
Geert Wilders:
Exactly. And listen, when I talk about the Netherlands, our two biggest cities, major cities, Amsterdam and Rotterdam. If you look at the people under the age of eighteen, the younger people . . .already today, half of them is from non-Western origin. Mostly Muslim. This will be incredible. Imagine that New York or Denver or Washing ton, that half of the population under the age of eighteen will be Muslim. This is the future of our society. They win in demographics, they already have almost a majority now when it comes to youngsters. We are, they are ascending an enormous electoral force. Why are they pampered by, in my country by the Social Democrats? They are pampered because they represent an enormous voting force. Not only because the leftish and theliberal invented the concept of the multicultural society and the cultural relativism of the 60's and the 70's and they are not willing to admit that they made the mistake. Sometimes politicians are almost just like humans in not willing to admit they made a mistake. They have a big interest in it. There are those voters. We have had municipality elections in Rotterdam where the former party of Mr. Fortuyn was very strong. When they lost the elections because of the Muslim vote. It's already happening today.
Robert Spencer:
There it is.
Geert Wilders:
Yes, it is.that. Posted by: heroyalwhyness
at October 14, 2008 1:06 PM
I've been reading JW/DW since late 2004 and never, NEVER could have anticipated the quickening pace of dhimmification becoming ever so evident as revealed by Geert Wilders. The pace of European surrender . . .or should I say submission is very very alarming.
Quoting Geert Wilders from above:
"And I think that many Europeans, people like yourself in the United States should talk about it more to the public, to the leaders and try to get the awareness and the sense of urgency . . ."
Mr. Spencer, did you happen to mention the mass distribution of 28 million "Obsession" DVD's to Geert Wilders and if so, what what his response?
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OT but related to the transcript above where Geert Wilders states:
make sure that you invest in your European allies, in the correct European allies. I'm not talking about the French or the German or Gordon Brown in the UK, leaders because they are dhimmis. They are giving up. They are appeasing. They are Chamberlains.
Sarkozy says Arabic is the language of the future
Posted by: heroyalwhyness
at October 14, 2008 1:21 PM
Robert
I know part 6 is still to come, and not to steal your thunder (if that's what I'm inadvertently doing, ignore this), but what exactly does Mr Wilders mean by 'invest in Europe'?
Europe's already where it is - some countries, like UK and the Netherlands are already knee deep, while some countries, like Italy and Switzerland seem to be resisting. If Europeans by and large continue to vote for dhimmi parties, what exactly could the US possibly do about it (assuming that in the State Dept or the White House, there were actual leaders who were in the same page that we are on Islam) - start toppling European governments by clandestine military coups as in Latin America in the 70's? This is a problem where the US seemingly can do nothing, until of course it's in a head-on collision with Islam, and if there is an Islamic Europe to contend with, you'll probably have a war between US (and probably Australia and Israel) on one side, and OIC and Europe on the other. It's only in that scenario that de-Islamification is possible.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want to see European flags start incorporating crescents and stars, or turning green and black. But if Europe 'democratically' and demographically Islamizes, what's there that the US can conceivably do (assuming of course it recognizes a problem in the first place) in a situation where it's not at war either with Europe nor with the OIC?
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at October 14, 2008 1:33 PM
We could go to War thereby forcing Europe's hand. They may not be much help to us but it should antagonize their Muslim population enough to make their National Governments take action. It would put a crimp in their trading partners as well.
It becomes a bit difficult to keep asking those who were kicked out, or who couldn't wait to get out of Europe. To keep going back to save them from themselves.
Even in the game of RISK
It has been nearly 100 years now and the game is getting really, really old.
Make them defend themselves. By force if need be.
Posted by: flowerknife_us
at October 14, 2008 7:55 PM
correction
Even in the Game of Risk, Europe is almost always impossible to defend.
Posted by: flowerknife_us
at October 14, 2008 7:58 PM
Sarkozy says Arabic is the language of the future
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at October 14, 2008 1:21 PM
What the hell happened to Sarkozy? I thought he was supposed to save France from the Mohammedans. Now he's Dhimmi of the Year.
Posted by: darcy
at October 14, 2008 10:11 PM
From above:
Geert Wilders:
Exactly. And listen, when I talk about the Netherlands, our two biggest cities, major cities, Amsterdam and Rotterdam. If you look at the people under the age of eighteen, the younger people . . .already today, half of them is from non-Western origin. Mostly Muslim. This will be incredible.
Muslim Aboutaleb to be Mayor of Rotterdam nisnews.nl
Incredible.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness
at October 17, 2008 1:53 AM


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