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No justice for these poor girls
A few days ago, as we discussed here, the FBI designated the murders of Amina and Sarah Said by their father Yaser Said an honor killing. The wanted poster for Yaser Said said this:
Yaser Abdel Said is wanted for murder. On January 1, 2008, Said took his two teenaged daughters for a ride in his taxi cab, under the guise of taking them to get something to eat. He drove them to a secluded park in Irving, Texas, where he allegedly shot both girls to death. They died of multiple gunshot wounds. The 17- and 18-year-old girls were dating American boys, which was contrary to their father's rules of not dating non-Muslim boys. Reportedly, the girls were murdered due to an "Honor Killing." Said may have fled to New York or Egypt.
But the intrepid Pamela has noticed that the wanted poster has been revised, and now says this:
Yaser Abdel Said is wanted for murder. On January 1, 2008, Said took his two teenaged daughters for a ride in his taxi cab, under the guise of taking them to get something to eat. He drove them to Irving, Texas, where he allegedly shot both girls to death. They died of multiple gunshot wounds. Said may have fled to New York or Egypt.
The sentences about honor killing have been removed. Pamela called the FBI and got the runaround from an agent, as you can see at her site. The agent said: "We are not labeling it an honor killing. It's a double murder....You are asking me to read his mind -- we know it's a double homicide. It is not our job to label."
Maybe not, but it would seem to me that at least entertaining the possibility that these two murders were honor killings would open up investigative avenues that should be explored, rather than closed off a priori. Also, if the FBI had stuck to its guns and not altered its wanted poster, the fact that it was at least considering this as a possible honor killing case would have made it much easier for opponents of honor killing to point out that it is now happening even in the U.S., and to call upon Muslim leaders here to end their denial and obfuscation, and take genuine steps to teach against this practice in mosques and Islamic schools in America.
But it seems instead that political correctness has gotten to them again.
Posted by Robert at October 18, 2008 10:03 AM
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Pamela Geller went after them? Our Pamela? She's a tiger. I almost feel sorry for the FBI!
It might matter here, in the US, that the lines about "Honor" murder were removed, but I'm sure it doesn't matter a bit in whichever Islamoland this freak is hiding out in. In
Islamoland "honor" murder is never an issue.
But, look at it this way: The jury will have a reason to be shocked, when Said's crimes are laid out before them. My bet is that there are at least twelve or thirteen people who haven't heard of Said's daughter slaughter, and who will be surprised that this barbaric mindset exists in Irving, Texas--and maybe even in their own backyards.
They'll enjoy the testimony of Islam Said, as well, when he spins his lies for them. Who doesn't like fairytales, right?
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at October 18, 2008 10:40 AM
I read in our new and dumbed down Chicago Tribune the other day that there is going to be a huge influx of refugees from Iraq coming to our shores, these refugees will bring their inshallah fatalism, their taqqiya and their "honor" with them, for the FBI to point out the downside of another culture could inspire a backlash.
The way these things usually work, rather than an american vetting those who apply to come to our shores, the work is contracted out locally, to curry favor with those over there, so there will be no true vetting and as I think about it, if I were part of a vetting process of who were to leave the USA, I would probably choose those whose loss would not be very great.
In other words. To join the world community of nations, the USA has to become more like the rest of the world, and that includes the dishonorable honor killings, the religion of pieces, the warring intractable tribalisms, the harems and the slaves, only then can we say that we have sold our heritage for less than nothing in some mad attempt to get UNworthy people to like us, which I think in PC speak is phrased as "becoming responsible citizens of the world."
Posted by: stickman at October 18, 2008 10:45 AM
Very well stated, Robert. You are absolutely right.
The narcissistic princes and princesses at the FBI are no longer in the warrior class... except for HRT.
at October 18, 2008 10:49 AM
The West failed them in life and the West has failed them in death
it a shame. i thought we would go to the FBI in case we got some anti-jihadi information. not any more.
FBI has been over by CAIR
Posted by: theygottago at October 18, 2008 10:52 AM
It seems to me that the term, 'hate crime', is labelling. Is the FBI going to drop that usage, also?
Posted by: HotSpur at October 18, 2008 11:00 AM
The act and not the motive should be what is punished (that's why any hate-crime legislation is misdirected) but after several more of these tragic murders occur here in America because of the warped value system of many Muslims, most everyone will begin to realize why young women are being killed by their male relatives. As long as the perpetrator is punished to the maximum degree, justice will be satisfied. But slowly it will sink into the collective consciousness that Islamic culture is responsible for such rot and thus honor killings, along with so many other barbarisms associated with the Islamic faith, will be tied to Muslims and the further discrediting of Islam will hopefully be the result. It had better be because denying forever the many inimical aspects of Mohammedanism could mean death for the West.
Posted by: Wellington at October 18, 2008 11:01 AM
I'm going to disagree here; which is rare, but I think the FBI may have made the correct decision in modifying their wanted poster by defining it as First degree murder on the later wanted poster.
Reasons: Many in the fundamental Islamic community may be protecting this person under their own definition of it being defined by the FBI as honor killings.
However if we define it as just First degree murder we open up a much better chance of getting this murderer, even when it comes to getting him returned from an Islamic country though however slight it may be.
I doubt that any penal codes, be it federal or state have the term "Honor Killing" written into their definitions of various degrees of murder.
I believe the FBI clearly understands this to be a Honor Killing but has decided to stay within the parameters of the charge of First Degree Murder which may be more effective in shaking the suspect out.
Posted by: Mackie at October 18, 2008 11:06 AM
"It's a double murder....You are asking me to read his mind -- we know it's a double homicide. It is not our job to label."
If it's not your job to label then that means that nothing can be labeled a "hate crime", either. To label something a "hate crime" requires that you know the mindset of the person as he did it. If the FBI can't read minds through a time portal then how can prosecutors, judges or juries?
at October 18, 2008 11:11 AM
Wellington's got it right... again.
Posted by: undaunted at October 18, 2008 11:52 AM
Mackie, PMK, and Wellington:
You all make excellent points. Maybe the "hate crime" label will be mothballed by a precedent like this.
Posted by: Abscedere at October 18, 2008 12:10 PM
Or, maybe I should have said that so-called "hate crime" legislation might be mothballed by such a precedent.
The thing to do on that score, is to keep our eyes open, and push for the point that the FBI "aren't mind readers", or there to "label".
Posted by: Abscedere at October 18, 2008 12:14 PM
Certainly if this murder suspect is caught, there is no doubt in my mind that the term "honor killing" will be part of the prosecutions center piece that would be presented to the jury. It is however still first degree murder because the suspect has more than likely crossed over state lines or even left the country, it almost always becomes a federal case. Having the feds involved brings much greater resources to the efforts of apprehension. Since 9-11 all federal,state,and local agencies are talking to each other thanks to the Bush Administration. In the past this was not the case which allowd a trail of evidence not to move past one agency to another. this policy of not always talking to other agencies was a contributing factor to not pinning down the trail of the 19 9-11 hijackers. hopefully this shared coordination between all agencies might lead to this suspects apprehension.
Posted by: Mackie at October 18, 2008 12:47 PM
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and murders it's own daughters because they were dating kufirs.......then it's an honor killing duck.
Posted by: tanstaafl at October 18, 2008 12:48 PM
I think some of our posters here are still unaware of the lefts embrace of varying standards for varying groups. It can be confusing to those of us who hold on to traditional western definitions of justice and truth. Some examples;
While claiming it was just sex, and consensual a previous administration was still prosecuting some military officers for consensual sex with an underling.
One celebrity professor who lectures on ethics and calls for infanticide and geronticide spends thousands of dollars to care for his alzheimers afflicted mother.
One well known politician chastises xenophobic americans for not speaking other languages when he cannot speak a foreign language himself.
So it would fit with a leftist "mindset" to simultaneously not being able to read th mind of a Mahometan who slaughters his female children or engages in slavery, while at the same time being able to read the mind of racist, xenophobic right wingers.
One of the mottoes that seems to sum it up for some is that "consistency is the province of small minds" so to them, they might be proving the greatness of their thoughts by the multitude of inconsistency within those thoughts.
Posted by: stickman at October 18, 2008 12:59 PM
stickman,
There's a saying that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. An awful lot of liberals will have to feel the effects of their policies before that happens. The ones who preach to us live in gated or otherwise exclusive communities and in seaside estates and in family compounds. They live in a dream world. They are in for a rude awakening.
at October 18, 2008 1:53 PM
FBI drops designation of Said murders as "honor killing"
I don't.
Posted by: DCWatson at October 18, 2008 3:19 PM
Mackie, Muslims will protect him whatever the FBI calls it. They know, we know, everyone knows. They will conceal what Allah conceals. They are required to. These are the same Muslims who covered it up when he was raping these same little girls, remember. they went to people at school and law enforcement and in the community. The West really did fail these girls. The fact that they filed a report that he was raping them should have taken them away from both parents and kept them safe. It's disgusting.
To some extent I don't care what it's called. 'Honor killing' makes it sound like it's somehow culturally justified and with that nasty relativism virus infecting the Free World that can't help matters. As long as the investigators have the right suspect and know his motive and understand his profile, which they do but can't necessarily broadcast (gotta keep CAIR's grubby fingers out of matters like this) it's all the same. They know who their man is and they'll nail him to the wall.
Pamela Geller went after them? Our Pamela? She's a tiger. I almost feel sorry for the FBI!
You made my day with that one, Abscedere.
Posted by: jdamn at October 18, 2008 5:02 PM
Who is at the top of the chain of command of the FBI / Dept. of Justice? Who is ultimately responsible?
Posted by: Charles Bogle at October 18, 2008 5:22 PM
Mackie:
I think jdamn is right: describing the crime as murder instead of honor killing won't make the muslim community more likely to turn the murderer over to the authorities. You're making the same mistake bush & the state department made in promulgating guidelines forbidding the use of terms like "jihadist" when referring to jihadists, on the preposterous theory that how the West views these islamic murderers affects how the ummah views them.
Posted by: sheik yer booty at October 18, 2008 6:07 PM
A good Mohammadan will never turn another good Mohammadan over to kufrs...
Posted by: duh_swami at October 18, 2008 7:07 PM
Who is at the top of the chain of command of the FBI / Dept. of Justice? Who is ultimately responsible?
Posted by: Charles Bogle at October 18, 2008 5:22 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58258
at October 18, 2008 7:47 PM
You're making the same mistake bush & the state department made in promulgating guidelines forbidding the use of terms like "jihadist" when referring to jihadists, on the preposterous theory that how the West views these islamic murderers affects how the ummah views them.
Posted by: sheik yer booty at October 18, 2008 6:07 PM
Bush is not making a mistake. He knows which side of his bread is buttered .. in this case, oiled by his distant family in Riyadh. But if he is making a mistake, untilately, Americans are playing with their lives, electing a mistaken Commander-in-chief.
Posted by: Alert at October 18, 2008 8:00 PM
Alert,
He'll be gone in a few months.
at October 18, 2008 9:15 PM
So now that the FBI has admitted Yasser might be in New York or Egypt, are they planning to do anything about tracking him down in N.Y? Since they know Yasser's brother has a house there, will they be watching it? Since Islam Said has been back and forth to visit the uncle "several" times since his sister's were murdered and his dad left, will the FBI begin to keep an eye on him?
The girls' Aunt Gail said in an interview with Pamela Geller that the day after the girls died several post office boxes were set up around the country in cities where Yasser's brothers have houses. Perhaps they could get off their backsides and check into it.
Would the FBI like a little help from the folks at Jihad Watch to track down this killer? Or perhaps my seven year old nephew could be of some assistance.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 18, 2008 10:43 PM
Alert,
He'll be gone in a few months.
Posted by: PMK at October 18, 2008 9:15 PM
But the damage he has done, won't.
Posted by: Alert at October 19, 2008 1:17 AM
Alert,
Who do you think should be our next POTUS?
Regards,
ABS
لن استسلم
at October 19, 2008 7:56 AM
The FBI must be careful what it discloses in all criminal cases, they will catch this idiot who claims to be an astute follower of the great pedophile.
How can anyone in their right mind do something like this? It's beyond my comprehension.
This Islamic ideology must be exterminated before the world and all it's inhabitants become it's victim.
American Muslims are quiet about this, why? Is it because the AGREE with this ideology, or is it because they are afraid that they will become the victims.
Posted by: RdP at October 19, 2008 11:45 AM
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at October 19, 2008 9:05 PM
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