Remember this is the Religion of Peace, LOL

What a joke and if Obama wins get ready for Sharia courts in the US and CAIR running our Homeland Security!!!

Posted by: Carlos Echevarria at October 18, 2008 4:39 PM

Just found an audio briefing given by Melanie Phillips following the publication of her book 'Londonistan'.

http://www.meforum.org/article/1062

Posted by: JD at October 18, 2008 4:47 PM

Abu Mubarak wrote: “... I would want to die in a blaze of gunfire, not by pushing a button."

Hey, Abu; will a couple hi-caps of 9mm Pow'rball do, asshat?

Posted by: undaunted at October 18, 2008 4:50 PM

Pluralism and multiculturalism are incompatible with Muslim supremacist culture. I don't give a damn whether the UK is half Jamacan or Indian, since it has always been a melting pot of sorts. What can't happen is for the british (white, brown or black) to be enslaved by an Islamic worldview.

This poll is more evidence that the UK must suspend Muslim immigration and expel Muslims who support Sharia law. Truly moderate Muslims can stay.

Posted by: James Martel at October 18, 2008 4:54 PM

Gee hate to tell you all i told ya so notice the part on the killing of muslims in waiting we are not fighting a few extremeists but three sections of this war those who fight wait and reproduce.

Posted by: spcbat at October 18, 2008 5:05 PM

The cost of monitoring Muslims in the U.K. must now be staggering. The cost includes putting non-Muslim agents -- or paying Muslims who may not always be, who very often may not be, reliable -- to monitor nearly two million people. The thousands (by now) of mosques, the madrasas, the coffee shops, the curry-shops, the convenience stores, the very monica-ali streets, reeking of Rawalpindi in the midst of John of Gaunt's once-sceptered isle (the scepter being quite different from the decapitatory knives of today), have to be patrolled, not only for the usual crime, but for the Islam-promoted schemes and plots, of which are so many. There are, at the moment, about 2,000 groups or individuals that are apparently being watched. What does that take, in round-the-clock manpower? How many policemen or security agents are left for the task of protecting British citizens from ordinary crimes, when so much time and money must go into the monitoring of Muslims? That monitoring is made necessary because of the ideology of Islam, that inculcates several basic ideas. The first is that the only real division of humanity that counts -- and how it counts! -- is that between Muslim and non-Muslim, that is, between Believer and Infidel. And Islam further inculcates the idea that all Muslims have a duty to further, through "struggle" or Jihad, the aims of Islam, and the aims of Islam are essentially not otherworldly but very much of this world: to remove all obstacles to the spread of Islam (the Constitution of the United States, for example, is such an obstacle), and then the dominance of Islam, everywhere.

Islam inculcates a view of a world that is divided in two (leaving out the nearly-insignificant, hardly-existing, lands of transient"truce" or Dar al-Sulh), between Dar al-Islam, the lands where Islam dominates and Muslims rule, and Dar al-Harb, the Land, or Domain, or House, of War, where Islam does not yet dominate, and Muslims do not yet rule. Between the two Houses, between Infidels and Believers, a permanent state of war exists and must exist, until the whole world belongs to Allah and to his people. This is not a fabrication, made up by those who for some unaccountable reason have it in for Islam. This is Islamic doctrine. It is not the less Islamic doctrine if your smiling Muslim co-worker earnestly, with a great show of sincerity, attempts to deny this doctrine or at least professes amazement and puzzlement when you attempt to ask him about it, as if he simply had no idea. Every single apostate has testified to what Muslims discuss freely, and of which they are certainly well aware, when they think no Infidels are around to overhear. Again and again they stress the well-practiced mendacity of Muslims. Should we disbelieve Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and all the other "defectors" from the Army of Islam? Can't we tell that they are sturdily and bravely telling the truth, in what they speak, and what they write, and can't we see the obvious meretriciousness, not only of the CAIR people, but of those Muslims, in groups or individuals, who attempt to deny that what is in the Qur'an, the Hadith, the Sira, either exists, or if it exists, that it can possibly mean what of course they know perfectly well that it means -- and some, admittedly, may fail to admit this not out of deep and sinister malevolence, but only out of embarrassment. But even if it is only out of embarrassment, one has to ask: why do you still call yourself a Muslim, why do you remain loyal to a Total Belief-System that indeed does inculcate such things, even if you, personally, are at leasst indifferent to, and possibly opposed to, the most dangerous and disturbing and worst of what Islam teaches? What is the hold of this on you, why do you insist on not openly telling the truth about it? Why are you yourself not a defector from the Army of Islam? Why do you not even recognize -- this to Pakistanis and Iranians and other non-Arabs -- that at some point in the past, your Hindu or Jain or Buddhist or Zoroastrian ancestors were forcibly, not willingly, converted to Islam because they hoped to avoid the status, to which as non-Muslims was the very best they could hope for, of dhimmi, which meant permanent humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity.

The texts of Islam are immutable. What Islam inculcates remains, to be found, always and forever, in those texts. No matter what selective or bowdlerized version the British or the French or other governments, in government-funded mosques, think they can present and so mold the minds of Muslims to accept a sanitized Islam, the real texts will always be there, always available to the Believers. Large-scale integration of those whose creed is not only alien but also permanently and deeply hostile, to all non-Muslims, simply is not possible for any Infidel nation-state. Those who put their faith in such policies of integration are foolish, building on sand, evading reality. Taht reality will have to be confronted, and confronted soon, while there is still time, and the steady degradation, and greatly-rising expense, for Infidels, has not yet reached, as it soon will, nightmarish proportions.

Think right now only of that: the sheer expense of Muslims living in large numbers in Infidel lands.

There is the expense, for Infidels, of payig for all the benefits -- the free health care, and free education, and free or nearly-free subsidized housing, even the generous family allowances -- that Muslims all over Western Europe receive, and take advantage of in fiddling ways that are not to be believed.

And think what those huge Muslim families -- huger by far than those of the indigenous Infidels, or even of the other, non-Muslim immigrants -- and the burden they place on Infidel taxpayers. Think, for example, of the expense those huge families have caused the National Health Service in Great Britain -- think of the obstetricians, the gynecologists, and of course the translators who so often must be paid -- and think of the much higher incidence of serious congenital illnesses among Muslims, because of their insistence on marrying, so often, relatives, illnesses that must be expensively treated. And that rampant and even fanatical endogamy reflects the general mistrust of others that is observable among Muslims, who growing up in a faith full of acts of aggression and deception, helps mold men of similar inclinations or worries.

And the monitoring of Muslims, the agents, the tapping of phones, the huge payments to informants (who may themselves be merely getting on the Infidel payroll, and not really offering anything of value), the enormous costs of securing airports, train and bus stations, planes and railroads and busses, schools, government offices, symbols of authority, churches and synagogues and Hindu temples, the residential dwelling-places of important officials who may have earned a special hostility, and all the rest -- it adds up.

I have heard different calculations for the cost of each Muslim in a non-Muslim land. One person has suggested a figure of $100,000 annually; another has suggested a figure of $250,000 annually. Take your own pencils and paper. Find out what your government spends, in monitoring Muslims and in guarding non-Muslim sites, in giving Muslims health care (used disproprotionately) and education (used sparingly, but often the education of fellow non-Muslim studens is disrupted by the atmosphere created), and housing, and all the rest.

Go ahead. Figure it out.

Now ask yourself a few questions. Here's one to start with: how many non-Muslims in Great Britain are now routinely being denied procedures that might save their lives -- new but expensive cancer treatments, or open-heart surgery -- because the NHS "doesn't have the money." And ask why it "doesn't have the money" and how long you think you, or others, should be expected to quietly endure, as you have endured, this situation?

Posted by: Hugh at October 18, 2008 5:12 PM

Remember this is the Religion of Peace, LOL

Posted by: Carlos Echevarria at October 18, 2008 4:39 PM

Louder, Dhimmi, Riyadh can't hear you! http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
America's fate was sealed when, even with twin-towers smouldering, POTUS danced to CAIR's 'Religion of Peace' tune; Mubrukh, Ummah! Behind POTUS is Nihad Awadh, pulling US Commander-in-chief's strings, who was re-elected.
Allah-karim!

Posted by: Alert at October 18, 2008 5:26 PM

Lets see

25% think suicide is Islamic

75% say its not.

Neither side condemn the killing suicide is intended to preform. Just the fact that suicide attacks may kill other Muslims. Muslims who, for all practical purposes, would better serve the cause by dieing in the manor the majority say is OK.

The road to paradise sure can be confusing. Especially when the Islamic authorities cannot agree on the route.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at October 18, 2008 5:46 PM

Not surprising in the least. Islam calls for violence of various kinds when its assumptions, taken by its deluded believers as truths, are questioned. A more intolerant, totalitarian and lethally inclined belief system would be hard to find. Among major belief systems, Islam has no peer in the "burden to mankind" category. No belief system has ever wreaked such havoc and mayhem for so long, with such little truth behind it, than has Islam. It's in a category by itself; a most dubious category to be sure. Congratulations, Muslims. What a legacy your religion has wrought.

Posted by: Wellington at October 18, 2008 6:25 PM

Perfect, Hugh.
I was on the phone to a Muslim friend last night (overseas). He wants to come to the West. He says he is "desperate". I said some time ago that i will help him if he leaves his religion. "Ah, no!" he said immediately. Last night I told him of what I had read in the Koran (all bad), and he said he would "never force his religion on other people". Presumably he thinks he has a choice, and is being generous! He quickly changed the subject though.
We hear - and see - continuously the cost of Muslims in our countries.
Recently a Somalian with a family - wife and six kids, all born here in the twelve years since their arrival, was demanding, on the front of the local newspaper, a new house in the area of his choice (prime area, close to schools, mosque and city) rather than the flat he was offered, after his burned down as a result of his own mistake, for which he made no apology. The family, by their status of "refugees", a status to which they were permanently entitled, had a right to government housing for life, and other benefits of course.
Curiously, in this area with its many Muslims, I am paying very high council rates. I wonder why? Is it that the costs involved are not borne only by the Federal government, and the State government, but also by the local councils?

Posted by: PG at October 18, 2008 6:29 PM

To my American cousins,

Now, more than ever is the time when you really have to stop the election of Obama. Don't worry, there are many in the UK who are doing their very best to stop NuLabour from being re-elected.

Why no Obama? Well apart from the fact that no doubt many if not all who post on here are anti Obama, what's happening in the UK is just reason to not have Obama as President.

It's really quite simple how it works and goes as follows:

1. NuLabour were elected in '97. Their leader was no other than a one Mr Tony Blair.

2. With their power then came the Socialist mantras written into our laws.

3. Not only that but Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty, giving the UK to Europe to be under its control.

4. Socialism hates Nationalism. It does not agree in it. It does its very best to promote equality and multiculturalism regardless.

5. With no 4, in comes mass immigration of cheap foreign workers, refugees and asylum seekers who have travelled half way across the world, to live in the UK, bypassing god knows how many countries, to receive our benefits having put nothing whatsoever into the system.

6. Upon entering the UK they immediately head for their said Nationality's ghettos in London and the UK and grow.

7. NuLabour continues to destroy Britishness, effectively removing teaching of it in schools while promoting other Nation's cultures instead. This effectively means that we have a generation of people born in England who will never be English, but will receive all the benefits of one.

8. Muslim youth in the UK, grows up to hate the UK as its in wars killing their Muslim 'brothers' around the world. They are not British so why should they care, especially when they follow the teachings of the Preacher's, preaching in the UK, openly against the UK and its establishments.

All the above points just goes to show what happens when a Nation's controllers do their best to destroy that Nation and its culture. You create a land, where people are born who have no connection to it whatsoever. They are merely 'citizens' who were born in the UK but definately not or ever will be British. It won't be long before England is divided into large Ghettos, encompassing cities and beyond where people will not go of certain religion/colour.
A Nation is a nation only if its people are united together in the common purpose and England unfortunately is no longer that. The people voted for NuLabour and once they'd destroyed the country in their first five years, they voted for them again.

You have a wonderful country in America, where your constitution is all about freedom. By voting for Obama, the same will happen in America as has happened here in the UK and even more Muslims will flood into your country as they have Europe.

Good luck in November.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 18, 2008 6:45 PM

Hugh, that was amazing. You also have to figure in the cost of insurance. Remember how half the insurance companies went broke after 9/11 and many of the reinsurance companies were scared they might go under? Yeah, we're paing for that. And then take into account the fact that those baby-boomers in Europe are aging. It's the old people who are getting screwed out of healthcare, the very people who built up that welfare state for the express purpose of it being there to take care of them in their old age, and now it's paying for expensive surgeries and special schooling for all the inbred Muslim babies and children, and for all the complications incurred after fgm and during and after childbirth with mutilated women, plus all those 'virginity restorations.' You have to protect those girls from the very fathers and brothers who stole their virginity when they raped them as little girls. Unreal.

Posted by: jdamn at October 18, 2008 6:58 PM

"One posting on the poll said: “I agree with suicide bombers. They should target Muslims too. They should also target those coward sleeping Muslims.”" --from the article.

Targeting Muslims? That poster must be distorting Islam, right? Not quite. That poster is implying that the "coward sleeping Muslims" are hypocrites, not true Muslims. There is ample support in the Quran and Hadith for killing hypocrites.

I have not come across anything in Islamic doctrine that says Muslim jihadists can, in their attacks, target true Muslims. However, at least one major school of Islamic jurisprudence permits the jihadists to kill true Muslims collaterally while targeting non-Muslims. This is essentially in agreement with the doctrine of tattarus, which al-Qaeda's Zawahiri uses.

Here is what the Hedaya (Hanafi) says about killing Muslims while targeting non-Muslims:

"It is no objection to shooting arrows or other missiles against the infidels that there may chance to be among them a Muslim in the way either of bondage or of traffic, because the shooting of arrows and so forth among the infidels remedies a general evil in the repulsion thereof from the whole body of Muslims, whereas the slaying of a Muslim slave or a trader is only a particular evil, and to repel a general evil a particular evil must be adopted, and also because it seldom happens that the strongholds of the infidels are destitute of Muslims, since it is most probable that there are Muslims residing in them, either in the way of bondage or of traffic, and hence, if the use of missile weapons were prohibited on account of these Muslims, war would be obstructed. If the infidels in time of battle should make shields of Muslim children, or of Muslims, who are prisoners in their hands, yet there is no need on that account to refrain from the use of missile weapons, for the reason already mentioned. It is requisite, however, that the Muslims in using such weapons aim at the infidels, and not at the children or the Muslim captives, because, as it is impossible in shooting to distinguish precisely between them and the infidels, the person who discharges the weapon must make this distinction in his intention and design by aiming at the infidels, and not at the others, since this much is practicable, and the distinction must be made as far as is practicable."

"There is also neither fine nor expiation upon the warriors on account of such of their arrows or other missiles as happen to hit the children or the Muslims, because the war is in observance of a divine ordinance, and atonement is not due for anything which may happen in the fulfillment of a divine ordinance, for otherwise men would neglect the fulfillment of the ordinance from an apprehension of becoming liable to atonement..."

Source: The Hedaya, quoted in Patrick Hughes' Dictionary of Islam, under Jihad, at the Answering-Islam website.

Posted by: Kinana of Khaybar at October 18, 2008 6:58 PM

“Killing innocent people is not within the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed. Murder is haraam (forbidden), suicide is haraam, it is all against Islam."

Innocent hummm?

Posted by: ethoman at October 18, 2008 7:06 PM

I read in some article on Islam Watch about Jamaat-e-Islami (a Pakistani political party) that they think that it's perfectly fine to kill Muslims in India because they are apostates because they choose to lve in kafirstan and buy goods from infidels, including food which come from the crops that Hindus devote to their gods, so they deserve it. No doubt Al Qaeda was thinking pretty much the same thing when they bombed . . . everything they bombed. Shoot, Zawahiri got his start blowing up Egyptians because he regarded it as a kafir country for only having Sharia civil law and the criminal law too, but without the hudud punishments.

Posted by: jdamn at October 18, 2008 7:15 PM

On a different note, who says USA is at war? Not the 'war president':
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081017-5.html

Posted by: Alert at October 18, 2008 7:22 PM

Now just sit back and watch the Musulmanic propaganda industry kick in: we got it all wrong, its only “a tiny minority of extremists” and Islam is a “Religion of Peace”…

Introducing the OIC's Sultan of Disinformation, the Sultan of schlock & crock, Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/10/17/‘islamophobia’-a-threat-to-global-peace-oic-chief-ishanoglu/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 18, 2008 8:13 PM

Beslan is what it means to live with Islam in your community. This is what the Quran calls for. This is what Islam requires of Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk8g0fnyX1A&feature=related

Posted by: ethoman at October 18, 2008 8:48 PM

“I will not say it is suicide, nor condemn them, or say they are cowards, or the rest of that nonsense, because it is NOT suicide, it is a form of fighting that instils a great terror into the hearts of the koffar (non-believers).”

Once again, the same word means different things to different people. We might as well create a Muslin-Infidel dictionary. We need to know how Muslims define a word and how infidels define it. When one side is speaking, the other needs to keep the dictionary nearby and rewrite the sentence in words its own audience will understand. It then needs to put the two sentences (original and translation) side by side. Maybe that will penetrate some minds in the West.

Clearly "suicide" means something different to Muslims.

Anything and everything can be justified if it will further the jihad. Suppose we took over Saudi Arabia? Maybe Muslims would blow up the Grand Mosque in the furtherance of jihad?

Posted by: PMK at October 18, 2008 8:49 PM

The picture of Islamic integration. A process of societal suicide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fvOXLV1wz0&feature=related

Posted by: ethoman at October 18, 2008 8:59 PM

Richard the Lionheart,
What's with NuLabour? I heard that Gordon Brown's numbers are way up as a result of his handling of the banking crisis.
NuLabour is getting the votes of BRITONS, not just Muslims.

Almost everyone in Europe has wanted the US to elect Obama. We watched Obama draw adoring crowds in Europe this summer and have heard the Bush hatred for at least five years. You all (not you, personally) want us to "send a message to the world", or so we've been told. Remember how "DUMB" we were to reelect Bush? That was the considered opinion of our British cousins (one newspaper, but it got top billing on C-SPAN the next day). You wouldn't want a "third Bush term", would you? How dumb would we be then?
As the saying goes: careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
We can all take comfort in one thing. If the nuts in this country manage to elect Obama, we will all go down together.

Posted by: PMK at October 18, 2008 9:04 PM

From the 'it's an ill wind...' department.

The worm *may* be beginning to turn.

Read this news item that just came out of Britain - I saw it either yesterday or this morning, Australian time.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/19/2394979.htm?section=justin

Britain to limit immigration: minister
Posted 7 hours 10 minutes ago

'Britain will impose tougher restrictions on immigration as the global financial crisis lifts unemployment to the highest rate in nearly a decade, the country's new immigration minister says.

"If people are being made unemployed, the question of immigration becomes extremely thorny," Phil Woolas told The Times newspaper.

"It's been too easy to get into this country in the past and it's going to get harder," he added in an interview.

'In a dramatic change of policy, the Labour government intends placing a limit on immigration, according to the daily.

"There has to be a balance between the number of people coming in and the number of people leaving," said Woolas.

'The minister said his government would not allow Britain's population to grow to 70 million people.

'Britain's population grew by about 3.4 per cent to almost 61 million people between 2001 and 2007 fuelled by expansion of the European Union, according to latest figures from the Office for National Statistics.

'Reacting to the comments made by Woolas, the opposition Conservative Party's spokesman on immigration, Dominic Grieve {nota bene, ladies and gentlemen, his name has appeared before, and not in a negative sense from the jihadwatch POV - dda} said:

"We have been calling for immigration limits for years now but the government have repeatedly poured scorn on this.

"But tough talk is simply not enough; they must now explain how they intend to deliver.

"Will they implement our plans for an annual limit on non-EU immigration, transitional controls on future EU immigration, and establish a dedicated UK border force to secure our borders?"

"Britain's unemployment rate jumped to an eight-year high of 5.7 per cent in the three months to August, official data showed on Wednesday.

'Under the International Labour Organisation measure of unemployment, the rate had stood at 5.2 per cent for the three months to May.

'The 5.7 per cent unemployment rate was the highest since the three months to March, 2000."
AFP

Given the unpleasant facts that Hugh has set out so clearly for us all, above, Mohammedan immigrants and Mohammedan colonies are a luxury (if one might, sarcastically, call it that) that is already far too expensive to maintain. Global recession makes that expensiveness even more dreadfully manifest.

(Jewish and Coptic and Hindu and Sikh populations, or Chinese populations, on the other hand, do tend to produce a perceptible *increase* in the GDPs of host societies...).

British jihadwatchers - Welsh, Scots, English - I suggest that you make copies of Hugh's hard-hitting 5: 12 pm posting above, and send it to Dominic Grieves and to Phil Woolas, with a suitable covering letter. Strike while the iron is hot!

Alternatively, you could read and re-read it until you have so thoroughly understood it that you can make Hugh's main points in your own words, and then submit that (your own restatement) to Grieves and Woolas.

A letter to the editor at the Sunday Mercury, perhaps incorporating *this paragraph* also crafted by Mr Fitzgerald, would be worth a try:

"The large-scale presence of Muslims in the Lands of the Infidels

has created a situation,

both for the indigenous Infidels

and for other Infidels who have arrived, hoping to share the fruits of that Infidel nation-state, its political and legal institutions, its stability, its guarantee of individual rights,

that is much more unpleasant, expensive, and physically insecure than would be the case without that large-scale presence.” –

‘Hugh Fitzgerald’, on Jihadwatch.

Italicise "expensive".

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 18, 2008 9:27 PM

Note: I made a small error in the above. The story about the approval for suicide bombers appeared in the Sunday Mercury; the other story that I reproduced, the one reported by my Australian news source, cited *The Times* as the place where Phil Woolas' remarks ( on the need to limit non-EU immigration to the UK) appeared - and where, presumably, Dominic Grieves' s remarks on the same subject also appeared.

So it is to The Times that letters expressing approval for that proposed course of action, and drawing attention to the enormous expense and dreadful security headaches inflicted by the Mohammedan presence, should be directed.

Letters could, of course, be sent to the Sunday Mercury in much the same vein, pointing out the disturbing prevalence of an aggressive jihad mindset, among Mohammedans in the UK, and quoting there, also, Hugh's paragraph about the unpleasantness, cost, and danger inflicted on our non-Muslim societies by the presence in our midst of large numbers of Muslims, an unknowable number of whom are either actively engaged in plotting mayhem, or who may become plotters of mayhem in the future.

In the current economic downturn, emphasis should be placed heavily upon the EXPENSE of trying to monitor all those present and future plotters. As I said: strike while the iron is hot!

If it occurs to business and politicians that, in fact, Muslims are costing them vast amounts of money and that this expense is perceived by, and is causing a rising tide of rage among, all their [politicians', businessmen's] non-Muslim customers and constituents (who currently, still, outnumber the Muslims) then the atmosphere could change remarkably quickly.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 18, 2008 9:39 PM

Here is a nice blog, and discussion about Islamic imperialism, and the methodology of an Islamic takeover of the west. Real good stuff here.

http://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/

Posted by: ethoman at October 18, 2008 10:17 PM

"By voting for Obama, the same will happen in America as has happened here in the UK and even more Muslims will flood into your country as they have Europe."

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 18, 2008 6:45 PM

Unfortunately Richard, this same result will occur regardless of which of the two get elected, since they share the same position on immigration.

Obama will be an abyssmal redirect however, one the US may struggle to recover from, but recover we will.

Europe is far from lost as well. Just keep spreading the information about what Islam really is. People are noticing.

Posted by: awake at October 18, 2008 10:26 PM

I have a comment on this forum, waiting approval. These barbarians needs their butts handed to them.

http://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/

The cowards moderate all of their postings LOL! How confident :-)

Posted by: ethoman at October 18, 2008 11:00 PM

You moderate LOL! That confident in your lies? Your whole card house of lies is about to come crashing down! Hope you enjoy the results! If this was free without moderation I'd pick your whole house apart and expose every lie here!

Check out my last posting. Nothing gets the barbarian horde out like a bit of base weapontake.

Posted by: ethoman at October 19, 2008 12:50 AM

LOL! what an ape, and a pig that Muzzie moderated out all of my posts. Guess he doesn't want the Kuffar to know about rape, women, and sharia. Too bad. I agree it is a tough position to argue when analysing Islam and modernism on this subject. We'll call this round one KUFFAR! KUFFAR 1 mohammadean 0. :-)

Posted by: ethoman at October 19, 2008 2:24 AM

LOL! what an ape, and a pig that Muzzie moderated out all of my posts. Guess he doesn't want the Kuffar to know about rape, women, and sharia. Too bad. I agree it is a tough position to argue when analysing Islam and modernism on this subject. We'll call this round one KUFFAR! KUFFAR 1 mohammadean 0. :-)

Posted by: ethoman at October 19, 2008 2:25 AM

Read the stuff, Ehtoman; those people are scary.

Posted by: PG at October 19, 2008 5:40 AM

Do they still think their activities instill terror? How misguided. It actually just makes us angry!

What does cause terror is our governments limp wristed response and constant appeasimg and surrender to these terrorists and its denial that they are at war with us.

Posted by: Boudica at October 19, 2008 5:52 AM

Do they still think their activities instill terror? How misguided. It actually just makes us angry!

What does cause terror is our governments limp wristed response and constant appeasing and surrender to these terrorists and its denial that they are at war with us.

Posted by: Boudica at October 19, 2008 5:52 AM

Thanks Ethoman for the link to the Duaat site.
Found some interesting material in the literature section.

Posted by: JD at October 19, 2008 6:44 AM

Hi PMK,

I've just been watching the Politics show and the Labour party is now going to put a cap on Immigration into the UK. It is going to set the cap at 70million(10 million more than we currently have....supposedly). In the next 25 years, our population growth will be 70% down to immigrants over the last 11 years under NuLabour. It's quite easy to understand why NuLabour have let them in. They have done so, because they are guaranteeing themselves an electorate. We suffer greatly from apathy in the UK, yet, the problem we have is who to vote for as the Main 3 are all the same and will destroy the UK. Yes, I agree, there are 'diehard' NuLabour supporters who have voted Labour all their life and will continue to do so. Then again, I have read in papers that the main 3 are losing their party to the BNP, who really offer only hope to the UK of ending Islamic Terrorism and appeasement to Saudi Arabia.

Everyone in Britain wants Obama, because as I've said in my comment, they have been indoctrinated by left wing propaganda which simply put, hates Capitalism, America, Britain and Israel. Many people here(in the UK) forget that Israel is fighting for survival in the Middle East and the only true democratic country in the Region. Our population, especially the younger generations are NOT British. They never will be. They have no identity as the way they behave and think is not British. This 'brainwashing' has been going on since the '60's PMK and only now are we seeing just how the left have succeeded especially as they have total control over the media and the education system. Remember that the renowned 'British Broadcasting Corporation is 100% left Wing, pro Palestine and Anti Israel, not forgetting a NuLabour supporter.

Trust me on one thing PMK and that is, there are many exceptionally wise and intelligent people in the UK who can see through the smokescreen of Obama. There are many here who can see just how the World will turn out with Obama at the helm, however, in a previous comment, I stated that the best thing that could happen in the USA and the West is complete financial breakdown and they will see the failure of the Left and their machinations for their country. I'm sure there are Democrats in the USA, who are very patriotic, like their Republican counterparts, who vote Obama, because they are angry at the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that have cost so many American lives - and for what? Iraq has been a disaster, with the creation of yet more terrorist groups and influence from Iran.
Had I been Bush, I'd have never gone into Iraq or Afghanistan. I'd have used my intelligence services to hunt down Bin Laden and when he was spotted, sent in many Special Forces teams(including British/European & Israeli) teams and taken him out. The war's cost billions and that money could have been put for better use in America and not helping the lives of Muslims in Iraq who hate America and the West. This is my problem with Bush, PMK. He brought the West into a War in the Middle East that could have been avoided. Don't get me wrong though, as from what I gather, a Democrat government would have done the same.

Europeans are ANTI American and Palestine and so now are the British thanks to NuLabour and 40+ years of Leftism. What can we do to stop it? I really, truly don't know. We have planted the seed of discontent a long time ago and we now have a feral forest to deal with, continuously growing and protected by European Human Rights Doctrine. Europe and the UK will continue to become Anti American and I really truly do believe that the only way to sort out the apathy and the Anti this and that is for total outright chaos to happen. By letting this come PMK, people will then begin to understand what Freedom is and the sacrifices made in order to keep it. A war is the only thing that will change the West, because if it continues as it is, regardless of Petitions and Demonstrations to European and American Parliaments, from angry, concerned people, Islam will simply Islamise and there's nothing you, I or anyone can do(peacefully that is) to stop it from happening.

There are many who think like me in the UK. Many who are completely powerless to do anything. If we stand up and protest, we can be arrested, charged and imprisoned for 'Hate Crimes' straight out of the pages of 1984. It is a real pity that our own neighbours, yes the Police, will take their pay from a corrupt government as they continue to not do the job they're supposed to, protecting immigrants/minority groups(completely against Britishness and integration) instead of the British people. It's a real pity that Americans really cannot see just how bad, how politically correct our society has become under NuLabour and Socialism/Marxism. America has a chance to never let this happen, but I fear that Obama has already won and there's nothing that can stop him. Truly, there's nothing that can stop him. He's kissed the 'Blarny stone' and has the 'gift of the Gab' many say and he's another Blair. It's ironic that Americans loved Blair as much as they did, because he has single handedly, through legislations in the UK, created an even more Anti American Society. This is what makes me laugh, he played the perfect hand and instead of decreasing Anti American/Jewish Sentiment he greatly increased it and yet America allows him to speak and teach in its Universities? It's all rather ironic really.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 19, 2008 7:53 AM

dumbledoresarmy

I am afraid this is just Nulabour spin (BS) as most accept that using the consumption of food and other staples as a measure the population is already in the order of 80 million. They will not actually do anything. 15 years ago all parties said they could not restrict immigration until European Union rules came into force in about 1996-7. Now they say they cannot restrict immigration due to European Union rules and the UN Charter for refugees. Catch 22?

With the help of the BBC an outfit called the Immigration Advisory Council is pushing hard the line “The credit crunch is just an excuse to bash to poor old migrants”. This is because the know that any country can accommodate as many people as wish to live there complete with homes, hospitals, cars, TV’s etc. if only they were run on liberal principles.

Posted by: Fred at October 19, 2008 8:11 AM

Awake,

I have to agree that both Republican and Democrats' stances on immigration are not good enough, especially regarding Islam.
However, when it comes to 'Europe is far from Lost' I beg to differ. As people see what's going on, new laws and legislation are passed to suppress their anger. Worse still, look at those complaining? You will see that the clear majority are the elders, those in their late 30's/40's. Europe's becoming Socialised. All we have to do is ask the youth about what they feel about immigration and Islam. You will not hear a happy story.
I agree that there are people who stand up and say 'No' but they are quickly brandished as Racists, Bigots, Fascists, Nazis etc, by the Left who love nothing more that to stand up for the Minorities and protect Islam, their own assassins.
The whole plan of the EU was to completely destroy Sovereignty and Nationalism. They have succeeded as there may still be Nationals, proud of their country, but the younger generations have been completely indoctrinated to think otherwise. They are the politicians of tomorrow who will be making the rules.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 19, 2008 8:12 AM

from article: Others argued that suicide bombings were unacceptable, with one contributor saying: “I don’t regard people who blow themselves up in market places packed with non-combatants as legitimate Mujahideen..

It does not matter what you think, it is only what 'they' think that's important.

Suicide bombers fall into the same category as the man that was eating dates during a battle, when Mohammad told him all he had to do was die in battle and he would gain Paradise...'Is that all'? So the man threw down the dates, went into battle and died.

The suicide bomber has thrown down the dates...
All they have to do is enter the battle and die.
Allah waits with open arms...the heavenly babes and boys are on perpetual duty, the wine is flowing...Every thing is swell...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 19, 2008 8:31 AM

Richard the Lionheart,
I plead guilty to being one of those Americans who liked Blair, mainly because I started seeing him immediately after 9/11. Before that I was gainfully employed and had no time. After 9/11, he seemed to be America's most reliable ally.

Had I been Bush, I would have put a total and complete ban on all travel by all Muslims anywhere in the world. None of them would have been allowed on an American plane, even one that was traveling between two foreign countries. Not a single one of them would have come into the US and American airlines would not be allowed to fly to Muslim countries either. This ban would have remained in place until bin Laden and company were turned over to American authorities. No World Court or Hague nonsense. Our visa waiver progam would have been modified to exclude all Muslims until we had justice. Muslim countries that were funding al Qaeda would have been required to pay the settlements we made after 9/11 to the families of those who died.
Now you see the dream world I have lived in for the last seven years.
Your first post said Americans need to defeat Obama but your reply suggested that the people might be better off if we just let things happen and the economy of the world disintegrate:
"Europe and the UK will continue to become Anti American and I really truly do believe that the only way to sort out the apathy and the Anti this and that is for total outright chaos to happen." That suggests that Obama is the better choice. Europeans might hail his election but he will do still more damage to the American economy and it will be felt elsewhere.
You said you are powerless but you aren't. You still have the vote. Too many people have said they have qualms about voting for the BNP. The three parties know this. They have no reason to change because they know you are always going to pick one of them.
My stake in America's future has disintegrated over the last seven years so I really don't care if McCain or Obama wins. I will be the loser in either case. Therefore, I am going to vote for the party of my choice: the Constitution Party. Down ballot, no incumbents will get my vote. Until we start to "throw the bums out", none of them will listen to us.

Posted by: PMK at October 19, 2008 11:16 AM

Just saw the link mentioned by ethoman.

Here's a quote from that blog:

"Why would the disbelievers and hypocrites hate for Islam to be implemented? Simply because they do not wish for their corruption, evil, crime, cheating, oppression, dishonesty, fraud, lies, tyranny, freedom, and deception to come to an end, and for justice (Islam) to prevail."

In the litany of ills of the decadent Infidel world, notice the ill number 10 - i.e. FREEDOM (horrors!) Ohhhh, how nasty we are, actually enjoying freedom. Jihadists put a stop to such nonsense wherever they can, of course, Allah be thanked. Every freedom snuffed out and ol' pbuh can rest easy.

Posted by: Hedgehog at October 19, 2008 11:16 AM

23% figure seems to be far off base: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/is-terrorism-targeting-civilians.html

Posted by: Muslims Against Sharia at October 19, 2008 12:27 PM

MASH

Your polls can't be called any more representative than polls taken by orgs such as Pew Research. Depending on your sample size, you can get anything.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at October 19, 2008 2:28 PM

PMK,

I completely agree with you with stopping the travel of all Muslims. It makes perfect sense. I would have stopped all travel into the UK as well as out from 'British' Muslims. If Muslims in the UK wanted to leave to go to Pakistan etc etc, then I'd have taken away their passports and banned them from coming into the UK again, regardless of birth here.
It's not a dream world PMK, but a well thought out answer to the problem we are facing. Simply put there are far too many Muslims in the UK and the West already.
I am mixed with Obama and civil war. I suppose what I really would like to see would be all out chaos in order for those who take freedom so nonchalantly to see that you have to fight for it. The left can only be the way it is, because the right's protecting them. I highly doubt you'd see a liberal/left wing armed force in the UK.
PMK, the BNP ARE a fringe party. They really only get a very small percentage of the vote. It takes time for a political party to be established and the reason the main three are where they are is because they've been going for a long time.
I will let you know that I actually sent a long email to the BNP just the other day with many questions and didn't really like what I got back. One of the replies that struck me was that they said "they didn't need to change at all as they have their supporters(White Anglo Saxon Protestants). I said that any party that does not change will remain in the past along with their fan base and simply die out. I am waiting for a reply.
The BNP are a very unprofessional outfit. They have good policies, but their 'racist' element and there is one, is what puts people off. Why does it put me off? Well, I think it's down to the fact that my partner is a British born Black woman and my children are mixed race. I know what the BNP's like and if they say to me in an email that they don't have to change and cater for the White people of the UK then they're not speaking for me.

Last but not least, there really is no way that we can stop the Islamisation of the UK from happening. People are simply not interested and prepared to make the sacrifices. They are fighting against an establishment that is straight out of Orwell's 1984. We are watched 24/7 and they now want to make it common place to have to take your passport with you to buy a 'pay as you go' mobile phone.

What I truly believe needs to happen to sort out the UK and the West is WW3. The Left will have no option to fight and see how their ridiculous attitudes and laws are destroying this once great nation and leading us into a Nightmare future. Freedom has its cost PMK and many people in the UK are not prepared to pay its price.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 19, 2008 3:34 PM

Infidel Pride, 900+ is a pretty good sample size.

Posted by: Muslims Against Sharia at October 19, 2008 9:55 PM

That's Britain for you.

Considering our 'shepherd' The Archbishop of Cantebury is such a failure (his job by the way is to direct his own and Muslims back to their Messiah who happens to be Jesus - Sura 3:45 in the Qur'an and he doesn't. The point of Abrahamic texts is to lead to a Messiah - Messiah Ben Joseph (atoning, suffering servant fixing the consequence of Adam's sin) and the Kingly Messiah Ben David who reigns from mount Tzion inJerusalem from a TEMPLE. Considering the N.T. is all about the former and a promise to restore the Kingdom to Israel (Acts 2ish) when coming as King, then the Qur'an misses the whole point of the 2 Abrahamic texts which precede it, as it should be all about the King Messiah, doesn't mention Jesus as either Messiah Ben Joseph or David, has no temple, doesn't mention Jerusalem etc.

Because this is |A|L|L| about religion, then Muslims must consider this, after all it is written into their holy book to do so.

Posted by: snufkin at October 20, 2008 3:51 AM